---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 10/21/06: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:44 AM - Re: 801 Wing Root Skin (n801bh@netzero.com) 2. 02:02 AM - Re: 801 stick angle (n801bh@netzero.com) 3. 05:28 AM - Re: INSPECTION PLATES - TECH SUPPORT - Zenith Aircraft Co. (Robin Bellach) 4. 06:19 AM - Introduction! (Tim Verthein) 5. 07:21 AM - Re: Introduction! (Paul Mulwitz) 6. 07:27 AM - Re: Re: Upholstery Progress (Pic of the Day) (N5SL) 7. 07:43 AM - Re: RAC stick wiring question (Edward Moody II) 8. 08:01 AM - Re: Introduction! (Jean-Paul Roy) 9. 08:09 AM - Re: 801 Wing Root Skin (Dave Ruddiman) 10. 08:09 AM - 701 Instrument panel layout question (doug kandle) 11. 08:39 AM - CH200 flight manual (Jef Vervoort) 12. 08:45 AM - Re: Fuselage Skins (Edward Moody II) 13. 08:49 AM - Re: Re: Upholstery Progress (Pic of the Day) (Edward Moody II) 14. 09:30 AM - Re: Fuselage Skins (Jaybannist@cs.com) 15. 09:51 AM - Re: Re: Upholstery Progress (Pic of the Day) (Robin Bellach) 16. 10:06 AM - Re: RAC stick wiring question (Tommy Walker) 17. 10:56 AM - Re: Re: Upholstery Progress (Pic of the Day) (N5SL) 18. 11:23 AM - Upholstery Progress (Robin Bellach) 19. 06:06 PM - Upholstery Progress Another Update (N5SL) 20. 06:16 PM - Wing weight? (Craig Payne) 21. 06:54 PM - Re: Introduction! (MacDonald Doug) 22. 07:02 PM - Re: Wing weight? (N5SL) 23. 07:07 PM - Re: Upholstery Progress Another Update (Dave Ruddiman) 24. 07:11 PM - Re: Wing weight? (Craig Payne) 25. 07:52 PM - Re: 701 Instrument panel layout question (Bryan Martin) 26. 08:43 PM - Re: Upholstery Progress Another Update (N5SL) 27. 09:47 PM - Re: Introduction! (NYTerminat@aol.com) 28. 09:52 PM - Re: RAC stick wiring question (NYTerminat@aol.com) 29. 11:03 PM - Re: Wing weight? (xl) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:08 AM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 Wing Root Skin The wing root was the hardest part for me to get right. I assume you hav e the top plexiglass already in? I left the root skin off till I mounte d the wing for the final time. As for tucking it in on the underside of the wing skin,,,,,, Good Luck on making it nice and smooth, Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Dave Ruddiman" wrote: To all you 801 builders, I have a quick question. I have the right wing root skin fitted and drilled. The manual shows to wrap the nose of the s kin around and underneath the bottom skin. Does that need to be done now , or should I wait until the wing is installed? Since it is so stiff, is ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== -======================== ======================== =========== The wing root was the hardest part for me to get right. I assume y ou have the top plexiglass already in?  I left the root skin&n bsp;off till I mounted the wing for the final time. As for tucking it in on the underside of the wing skin,,,,,, Good Luck on making it nice and smooth, <G>


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-- "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comca st.net> wrote:
To all you 801 builders, I have a quick question.
 
I have the right wing root skin fitted and drilled. The manual shows to wrap the nose of the skin around and un derneath the bottom skin. Does that need to be done now, or should I wai t until the wing is installed? Since it is so stiff, is there a trick to rolling it under?
 
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________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:57 AM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 stick angle I believe there is a tech page you can download that has those angles. It is on the manuals section toward the end. I built mine using those sp ecs and it flies perfectly. Now if they would only add some speed mods.. . do not archive Ben N801BH www.haaspowerair.com Wondering if any of you who have finished your 801 have determined how m any degrees the torque tube rotates (left and right from top dead center ) to apply the maximum flaperon deflection. That would be the same as s tick angle from straight up. I realize it could vary slightly from one plane to another, but a ballpark figure would be appreciated. Thanks. John ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ================

I believe there is a tech page you can download that has those angles.  It is on the manuals section toward the end. I built mine using those specs and it flies perfectly. Now if they would only add som e speed mods... <G>

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Wondering if any of you who have finish ed your 801 have determined how many degrees the torque tube rotates (le ft and right from top dead center) to apply the maximum flaperon deflect ion.  That would be the same as stick angle from straight up.  I realize it could vary slightly from one plane to another, but a ballp ark figure would be appreciated.  Thanks.

 

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________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:20 AM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: INSPECTION PLATES - TECH SUPPORT - Zenith Aircraft Co. --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> I made a male mold for the interior dome shape with PolyFil epoxy, then used it, one at a time, to lay up the covers out of fiberglass, in place, to create a perfectly fitting flange. The standard 5" round aluminum domed inspection plates (Aircraft Spruce #09-19300) would work if your senders protrude less than 1/4". Mine protrude about 3/8" so my fiberglass cover domes are about 1/2" high. Robin in AR N601ZV 601XL / Corvair Zen-Vair ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ruddiman" Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 12:18 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: INSPECTION PLATES - TECH SUPPORT - Zenith Aircraft Co. > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" > > > What did you use for a pattern? I wonder if the plates for a fabric plates > have enough of a dome shape. I just happen to own such a plane. Maybe I'll > check tomorrow. Just thinking out loud. > > Dave in Salem > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> > To: > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 7:55 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: INSPECTION PLATES - TECH SUPPORT - Zenith > Aircraft Co. > > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> >> >> Yes. I made domed fiberglass covers that stick up about 1/2" above the >> top skin because the ZAC supplied VW Rabbit senders stick up about 3/8", >> but the domes are tear drop shaped, not round.. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dave Ruddiman" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 9:30 PM >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: INSPECTION PLATES - TECH SUPPORT - Zenith >> Aircraft Co. >> >> >>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" >>> >>> >>> You didn't make domed covers by any chance. Did you? I know this subject >>> came up awhile back. I didn't think I would need to, but even trimming >>> the end of the center bolt on the sender doesn't give me enough >>> clearance. Especially after I put on the nylon pieces under the covers. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 5:23 PM >>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: INSPECTION PLATES - TECH SUPPORT - Zenith >>> Aircraft Co. >>> >>> >>>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" >>>> <601zv@ritternet.com> >>>> >>>> I've got 4 3-1/2" holes for my senders and I'm covering them with >>>> fiberglass covers and screws. I got tired of trying to fiqure out how >>>> to easily shape aluminum covers and decided that the fiberglass was >>>> much easier to do and was more conducive t0 achivieving a more >>>> practical aeorodynamic shape. Shame we have to do all this extra >>>> fabrication because of a kit in which the parts don't fit right. It >>>> makes scratch building very attractive. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Dave Ruddiman" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 5:45 PM >>>> Subject: Zenith-List: INSPECTION PLATES - TECH SUPPORT - Zenith >>>> Aircraft Co. >>>> >>>> >>>>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> HERE IS THE OFFICIAL WORD I JUST RECEIVED FROM ZAC ON THE INSPECTION >>>>> HOLE COVERS. THOUGHT YOU ALL, OR YA'LL IN SOME PARTS MIGHT LIKE TO >>>>> KNOW WHAT THE MANUFACTURER HAD TO SAY. >>>>> >>>>> Dave in Salem >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Caleb Gebhardt" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:24 PM >>>>> Subject: RE: TECH SUPPORT - Zenith Aircraft Co. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello Dave, >>>>>> I always suggest that you frame around the opening with L angles. The >>>>>> reason >>>>>> behind this is that this will reduce possible buckling or "oil >>>>>> canning" >>>>>> around the opening. This acts like the flange on a lightening hole. I >>>>>> doubt >>>>>> you will have room for that above the fuel tank though. I think you >>>>>> will be >>>>>> fine with the 8 A4 rivets to hold the cover on. I'm not sure why you >>>>>> would >>>>>> need a double row of rivets, and nutplates and screws are nice if you >>>>>> are >>>>>> planning on opening the cover regularly. The choice is yours, I would >>>>>> just >>>>>> rivet it on with the 8 A4s if it were me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Caleb Gebhardt >>>>>> Zenith Aircraft Co. >>>>>> (573) 581-9000 >>>>>> caleb@zenithair.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Technical Support Disclaimer: While we strive to ensure that the >>>>>> advice/information provided through our support is correct, Zenith >>>>>> Aircraft >>>>>> Company does not accept any responsibility for errors or omissions. >>>>>> Any >>>>>> advise or information that Zenith Aircraft Company gives you via any >>>>>> form of >>>>>> communication is not a guarantee that it will correct your problem. >>>>>> It is >>>>>> only offered as assistance to you. Zenith Aircraft Company will not >>>>>> be held >>>>>> responsible for any loss or damage as a result of our advise or >>>>>> information >>>>>> supplied. >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Message: Request Additional Info, I have cut holes in the top skin of >>>>>>> the wing for possible future access to the fuel senders. I was going >>>>>>> to rivet them in place. Out of curiosity I asked the question about >>>>>>> needing doublers and nutplates for the covers. I received a lot of >>>>>>> input. Some say this has to have double rows of rivets. Some say a >>>>>>> doubler and half a dozen nut plates. Some just rivet a disc over the >>>>>>> hole. What do you say? You guys designed the plane so I would >>>>>>> appreciate knowing what you think as the people that engineered the >>>>>>> 801. >>>>>>> Part: Wing section 13 - page 10 of 11 >>>>>>> Model: STOL CH 801, 6355 >>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> ----- >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:04 AM PST US From: Tim Verthein Subject: Zenith-List: Introduction! --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim Verthein Howdy! I've been lurking on the list for a while now, and figured it was time to make my formal introduction and say hello to everyone. My wife Ronna and I are just getting into homebuilding. If you've got the time and patience..and perhaps an extra cup of coffee..here's our story. We're both interested in flying. My Dad was a private pilot and we flew a lot back in the day. We used to fly to Oshkosh every year, and lots of fly-in breakfasts. Dad flew a Cessna 120, then a 140, then a 172. He learned to fly in 1950 in a Taylorcraft (I get great amusement from reading his old logbooks). My wife's family had a close friend who owned the airport in the small Montana town she lived in, and they also got a lot of exposure to flying. Dad dosen't fly anymore, he'd never come close to getting a medical and I doubt Mom would LET him fly again! I've always wanted to fly, but in the course of raising 4 kids, working full time, and all the other things I was involved with I never had the time and the money available at the same time. Our flying interest is strictly in the sport pilot vein, and we are now both getting ready to begin training for the SP license. I have a few hours of dual going back to the late 70's and mid 80's, she has had none. We decided to build a Zenith CH-701. The reasons are many. STOL performance, high wing that makes my interest in aerial photography easy, along with removeable doors, slow flight characteristics, etc. We decided to build rather than buy because we were looking for a way to get the plane we wanted with least expense. We're going to build using component kits which will spread the cost out as we build, so no financing will be necessary. Naturally, I'll get the repairmans certificate thus avoiding a lot of the A&P expense over time. We also consider it a great way to spend time together working toward a common goal, and having fun in the process. Since we live in a county with over 1,000 lakes, have a lake half a mile from our house, and have a lake cabin 50 miles away, we anticipate adding floats in the future. We just returned from the Zenith rudder workshop last weekend. We found that we don't have any trouble doing this sort of work, and had a great time. We greatly enjoyed working with the Zenith folks who provided the necessary encouragement, answered our questions, and made darn good coffee too! So, the kids are grown and out of the house, and we're relcaiming our turf and doing the things we want! Now we have a nice shiny rudder in the livingroom..the wife is trying to talk me to moving it to the attic 'till we need it..but hard to show it off up there! Our next step will be ordering the plans manual and the rest of the tail kit. We're in northern Minnesota (where it's 27 degrees as I write this) and will do the tail in the basement this winter, then move to the garage for the larger components down the road. Most of my building/mechanical experience has been with cars...we have a 1958 Edsel and a 1964 Corvair (and yes..I've considered Corvair power for the 701, but still leaning toward Rotax....plenty of time to think about that). Nice to be working on something NEW and not rusty! Until the rudder workshop, my only riveting experience was repairing rusted out car floors! We do travel extensively to Corvair events and I also run the car in the occasional autocross event. If you're just looking for something amusing to surf too, might want to take a peek at my web site: http://www.edselmotors.com Where there's a nifty link to the Edsel and Corvair stuff...and some pics from the rudder workshop are at: http://www.edselmotors.com/zenithworkshop.html Glad to be in the group! Tim & Ronna Verthein Bovey, Minnesota == You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor! == __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:12 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Introduction! --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz Hi Tim, Welcome aboard. I am sure you will find building your own plane both the biggest and most rewarding project of your life. You are fortunate to have your wife working along with you, and you already know how useful this list can be. Let me make just a few comments on your story. First, I think you should consider the Sport Pilot license just a starting point in your pilot education rather than the final goal. When you have your life and your passenger's life in your hands it is impossible to know too much about the pilot's trade. It is the kind of thing you keep learning about through your entire flying career. The other reaction I had to your story was about the idea of using lakes as airports. I know this is possible, but I think you should also consider finding a local airport for your initial flying of your shiny new plane. I have never done the water thing myself, but I understand it is a lot more complicated to make your plane act as a boat as well as a plane. The land version of flying is a lot more straight forward. Good luck with your venture. Paul XL fuselage >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim Verthein > >Howdy! > >I've been lurking on the list for a while now, and figured it was time >to make my formal introduction and say hello to everyone. > >My wife Ronna and I are just getting into homebuilding. If you've got >the time and patience..and perhaps an extra cup of coffee..here's our >story. - ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:19 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Upholstery Progress (Pic of the Day) --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Thanks Dave. I paid an automotive upholsterer too much to sew them up. Jason Cantrell in Mississippi had a friend do his for about half and they look just as good. DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ---- From: TxDave dclaytx2@HOTMAIL.COM Very nice, Scott! Man, those seats look comfy. Who sewed your seat covers for you? Dave Clay Temple, TX ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:22 AM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RAC stick wiring question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" I haven't done my dual sticks for the Zodiac yet but when I did a Ray Allen grip with four trim buttons and a ptt on my ultralight, I was concerned about the delicate fine wires too. Find a hobby store or an aquarium supply place and buy some clear plastic tubing just barely big enough to draw the wires through. You may have to run a single "fish" wire through it first to pull the Ray Allen wires through. The tubing will protect the wires around tight spots and bends and clear tubing allows you to see the inside to monitor the inner wires as the plane ages. The other option is to make the splice to the whatever multistrand cable you use such that it ends up inside the stick tube. If you do that you have to leave enough slack in that multistrand cable to run it out of the top of the stick, do the connections and heat shrink, then pull the whole mess back down to mount the grip. The ecess has to be secured somewhere out of the way in case you need slack to repair or replace later. Ed Moody II ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:08 PM Subject: Zenith-List: RAC stick wiring question > --> Zenith-List message posted by: ray.stlaurent@vsea.com > > I was looking at the Y control stick and my RAC stick grip and realized I > haven't a clue how to get the wires safely out of > the stick and keep them from being tangled. I've seen pictures but never > where the wires went. > > Thanks > - Ray St-Laurent > 701/Pegasus wings/Suzuki > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:55 AM PST US From: "Jean-Paul Roy" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Introduction! --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jean-Paul Roy" Welcome Tim and Ronna to the group. I am building a 701 also mainly for the same reasons you stated below. Enjoy every phase of it. Jean-Paul Roy Quebec, Canada working on wings do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Verthein" Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:17 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Introduction! > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim Verthein > > Howdy! > > I've been lurking on the list for a while now, and figured it was time > to make my formal introduction and say hello to everyone. > > My wife Ronna and I are just getting into homebuilding. If you've got > the time and patience..and perhaps an extra cup of coffee..here's our > story. > > We're both interested in flying. My Dad was a private pilot and we flew > a lot back in the day. We used to fly to Oshkosh every year, and lots > of fly-in breakfasts. Dad flew a Cessna 120, then a 140, then a 172. > He learned to fly in 1950 in a Taylorcraft (I get great amusement from > reading his old logbooks). My wife's family had a close friend who > owned the airport in the small Montana town she lived in, and they also > got a lot of exposure to flying. Dad dosen't fly anymore, he'd never > come close to getting a medical and I doubt Mom would LET him fly > again! > > I've always wanted to fly, but in the course of raising 4 kids, working > full time, and all the other things I was involved with I never had the > time and the money available at the same time. Our flying interest is > strictly in the sport pilot vein, and we are now both getting ready to > begin training for the SP license. I have a few hours of dual going > back to the late 70's and mid 80's, she has had none. > > We decided to build a Zenith CH-701. The reasons are many. STOL > performance, high wing that makes my interest in aerial photography > easy, along with removeable doors, slow flight characteristics, etc. > We decided to build rather than buy because we were looking for a way > to get the plane we wanted with least expense. We're going to build > using component kits which will spread the cost out as we build, so no > financing will be necessary. Naturally, I'll get the repairmans > certificate thus avoiding a lot of the A&P expense over time. We also > consider it a great way to spend time together working toward a common > goal, and having fun in the process. Since we live in a county with > over 1,000 lakes, have a lake half a mile from our house, and have a > lake cabin 50 miles away, we anticipate adding floats in the future. > > We just returned from the Zenith rudder workshop last weekend. We > found that we don't have any trouble doing this sort of work, and had a > great time. We greatly enjoyed working with the Zenith folks who > provided the necessary encouragement, answered our questions, and made > darn good coffee too! > > So, the kids are grown and out of the house, and we're relcaiming our > turf and doing the things we want! Now we have a nice shiny rudder in > the livingroom..the wife is trying to talk me to moving it to the attic > 'till we need it..but hard to show it off up there! Our next step will > be ordering the plans manual and the rest of the tail kit. We're in > northern Minnesota (where it's 27 degrees as I write this) and will do > the tail in the basement this winter, then move to the garage for the > larger components down the road. Most of my building/mechanical > experience has been with cars...we have a 1958 Edsel and a 1964 Corvair > (and yes..I've considered Corvair power for the 701, but still leaning > toward Rotax....plenty of time to think about that). Nice to be > working on something NEW and not rusty! Until the rudder workshop, my > only riveting experience was repairing rusted out car floors! We do > travel extensively to Corvair events and I also run the car in the > occasional autocross event. > > If you're just looking for something amusing to surf too, might want to > take a peek at my web site: > http://www.edselmotors.com > Where there's a nifty link to the Edsel and Corvair stuff...and some > pics from the rudder workshop are at: > http://www.edselmotors.com/zenithworkshop.html > > Glad to be in the group! > > Tim & Ronna Verthein > Bovey, Minnesota > > == > You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor! > == > > __________________________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:08 AM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 Wing Root Skin Hi Ben, I don't plan on riveting the skin on until I mount the wing which is about a year from now. I hope. I guess I'll wait on the bottom piece to try and roll it when I turn the wing over. Seems like there has to be a better way. The skin is thick enough and the roll is tight enough that it sure isn't easy. But then you obviously know that. Dave in Salem ----- Original Message ----- From: n801bh@netzero.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:41 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 Wing Root Skin The wing root was the hardest part for me to get right. I assume you have the top plexiglass already in? I left the root skin off till I mounted the wing for the final time. As for tucking it in on the underside of the wing skin,,,,,, Good Luck on making it nice and smooth, Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Dave Ruddiman" wrote: To all you 801 builders, I have a quick question. I have the right wing root skin fitted and drilled. The manual shows to wrap the nose of the skin around and underneath the bottom skin. Does that need to be done now, or should I wait until the wing is installed? Since it is so stiff, is there a trick to rolling it under? Thanks, Dave in Salem ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List tronics.com ics.com www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:08 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Instrument panel layout question From: "doug kandle" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "doug kandle" I am getting ready to install my instruments into the panel. Has anyone who is currently flying the plane noticed any difference in readability of displays located on the upper area of the panel, as opposed to the bottom area? As there will be a small glare shield overhang I was thinking of putting my GPS high on the panel to try and keep it in the shadow as much as possible. Is there any chance that the overhang will obscure the top area of the panel? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=69281#69281 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:40 AM PST US From: "Jef Vervoort" Subject: Zenith-List: CH200 flight manual CH 200 build number 250 has become a flying aircraft after a build process of more than 25 years, with long interruptions. It is powered by a O 200 . Where could we find a good example of a flight manual, checklist, test flight program or similar documentation that would help us in taking good care of the bird. Thanks. Jef Vervoort, Belgium; OO 77. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:20 AM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuselage Skins Wade, the side and bottom skins that came with my 601XL kit are .025". The aft top skin is not handy right now, so I'm not certain about it. Ed Moody II Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Wade Jones To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Fuselage Skins Hello group ,I am not ready to start my fuselage yet .I would like to ask the group what thickness skins are being used on the 601XL fuselage . I know the plans call for .016 ,however I think I would rather go with a thicker material if it is acceptable and not too much a weight penalty . Today I bought several 4X12 ' sheets of .025 6061-T6 for $60.00 each ,this is the cheapest price I have had in my area . Thanks Wade ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:25 AM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Upholstery Progress (Pic of the Day) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" So I guess that pretty much nixes the option to give a demo flight to a Hindu, huh? No prob.... those swamies have flying carpets anyway. BTW, did you get to eat the cows too or did someone else get the steaks? Mine are being made out of a plastic cow.... the standard grey "pleather" upholstery. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "N5SL" Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:26 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Upholstery Progress (Pic of the Day) > --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL > > Thanks Dave. I paid an automotive upholsterer too much to sew them up. > Jason Cantrell in Mississippi had a friend do his for about half and they > look just as good. > > DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:01 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuselage Skins My aft top skins are .016" and the forward top skin is .025". Jay in Dallas Do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:09 AM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Upholstery Progress (Pic of the Day) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> I'm in the process of shaping my seats with four different densities of TemperFoam or ComforFoam slow-recovery polyurethane. Any idea what a typical upholsterer might charge to fit and sew the leather coverings? ----- Original Message ----- From: "N5SL" Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:26 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Upholstery Progress (Pic of the Day) > --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL > > Thanks Dave. I paid an automotive upholsterer too much to sew them up. > Jason Cantrell in Mississippi had a friend do his for about half and they > look just as good. > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: TxDave dclaytx2@HOTMAIL.COM > > Very nice, Scott! Man, those seats look comfy. Who sewed your seat covers > for you? > > Dave Clay > Temple, TX > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:17 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: RAC stick wiring question From: "Tommy Walker" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" Also, I plan to drill a small hole near the bottom of the yoke, install a grommet and route the wires through that grommet to prevent wear at that point. Tommy Walker In Alabama Do Not Archive dredmoody(at)cox.net wrote: > I haven't done my dual sticks for the Zodiac yet but when I did a Ray Allen > grip with four trim buttons and a ptt on my ultralight, I was concerned > about the delicate fine wires too. Find a hobby store or an aquarium supply > place and buy some clear plastic tubing just barely big enough to draw the > wires through. You may have to run a single "fish" wire through it first to > pull the Ray Allen wires through. The tubing will protect the wires around > tight spots and bends and clear tubing allows you to see the inside to > monitor the inner wires as the plane ages. > > The other option is to make the splice to the whatever multistrand cable you > use such that it ends up inside the stick tube. If you do that you have to > leave enough slack in that multistrand cable to run it out of the top of the > stick, do the connections and heat shrink, then pull the whole mess back > down to mount the grip. The ecess has to be secured somewhere out of the way > in case you need slack to repair or replace later. > > Ed Moody II > > --- -------- Tommy Walker Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=69308#69308 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:16 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Upholstery Progress (Pic of the Day) --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Robin: Just to give you an idea, my guy quoted me $200 to $300 and charged $500 when it was all done. I supplied the cow and the cut foam. He had to re-cut the foam and add some foam so I know he did a lot of work. But then I live in Omaha where everything that involves labor is expensive. Dr. Ed - Cow-lovers everywhere applaud your decision to go synthetic - "Eat Mor Chickin." Steaks were not included with my two cows. Scott Laughlin Omaha, Nebraska 601XL/Corvair Trying to make a Yoke Boot today. Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ---- From: Robin Bellach 601zv@ritternet.com Any idea what a typical upholsterer might charge to fit and sew the leather coverings? ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:20 AM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Zenith-List: Upholstery Progress --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Thanks Scott! Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "N5SL" Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 12:55 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Upholstery Progress (Pic of the Day) > --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL > > Robin: > > Just to give you an idea, my guy quoted me $200 to $300 and charged $500 > when it was all done. I supplied the cow and the cut foam. He had to > re-cut the foam and add some foam so I know he did a lot of work. But > then I live in Omaha where everything that involves labor is expensive. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:50 PM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Zenith-List: Upholstery Progress Another Update --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Guys: I spent all day working on a boot for my yoke. I had my daughter teach me how to use the sewing machine and I hand-stitched the top where it was too thick for the machine. Here's a picture I just took: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/7_21_06_Yoke_Boot.JPG Scott Laughlin 601XL/Corvair Omaha, Nebraska ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:38 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Zenith-List: Wing weight? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" Anyone have a guess what one XL wing weighs? -- Craig ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:25 PM PST US From: MacDonald Doug Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Introduction! --> Zenith-List message posted by: MacDonald Doug Hi Tim, welcome to the group. I am not too far north of you in Fort Frances, ON. I too am building a CH-701. Only difference is that I am building from scratch. The CH-701 is a great plane to scratch build. Even if you are going to build from component kits, you might want to check out Jon Croke's Scratchbuilding Basics DVD from Homebuilthelp.com. It will give you a bit more depth than even the plans and assembly manual. It mainly covers building the rudder that you already have but it does show you how easy it is to build the rest of the plane. If you ever get up the I'falls area, there is a couple of us up here scratchbuilding 701's. Happy building Doug MacDonald NW Ontario, Canada CH-701 Scratch builder Working on cabin __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:33 PM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing weight? --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Craig: I don't know but I have two of them and they aren't light. Did you weigh one of yours? Don't make me go in the garage and try to get one of those big boys on my scale. sl Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ---- From: Craig Payne Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 8:16:22 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Wing weight? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" Anyone have a guess what one XL wing weighs? -- Craig ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:15 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Upholstery Progress Another Update --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" I guess all that time will take you over the 400 hrs it takes to build the whole plane. Buy the way, nice job. ----- Original Message ----- From: "N5SL" Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 6:05 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Upholstery Progress Another Update > --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL > > Guys: > > I spent all day working on a boot for my yoke. I had my daughter teach me > how to use the sewing machine and I hand-stitched the top where it was too > thick for the machine. Here's a picture I just took: > > http://www.cooknwithgas.com/7_21_06_Yoke_Boot.JPG > > Scott Laughlin > 601XL/Corvair > Omaha, Nebraska > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:57 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wing weight? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" I'm not worried about mine being too heavy. I'm just finishing my wing cradle in preparation for moving the wings to my hanger. I'm trying to see how many inches of foam I need along the nose to keep it from bottoming out. We'll have a race Scott - who can get their plane to the hanger first. I think my wings will beat yours there but I suspect your fuselage will beat mine. And I'm certain you will be flying before me. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:36 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Instrument panel layout question --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin I haven't had any problem with the glare shield obscuring my view, if fact I'm thinking of installing a wider glare shield to reduce the reflection of the instruments off the canopy during night flying. On Oct 21, 2006, at 11:06 AM, doug kandle wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "doug kandle" > > > I am getting ready to install my instruments into the panel. Has > anyone who is currently flying the plane noticed any difference in > readability of displays located on the upper area of the panel, as > opposed to the bottom area? As there will be a small glare shield > overhang I was thinking of putting my GPS high on the panel to try > and keep it in the shadow as much as possible. Is there any chance > that the overhang will obscure the top area of the panel? > > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:18 PM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Upholstery Progress Another Update --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Thanks Dave. I don't count hours. Only years. On November 1st, I'll have been at it for 3.75 years. It's been a blast. Scott. Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ---- From: Dave Ruddiman Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:07:14 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Upholstery Progress Another Update --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" I guess all that time will take you over the 400 hrs it takes to build the whole plane. Buy the way, nice job. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:39 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Introduction! Welcome to the wonderful world of building a plane,Tim and Ronna. The 701 is pretty easy to build as it was my choice for my first build. You will find great people and information on this list. Bob Spudis N701ZX/ CH701/912S 85hrs do not archive ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:55 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RAC stick wiring question This is exactly what I did and it worked out quite well. I used the Ray Allen 7 switch grip. Bob Spudis CH701/ 912S 85hrs do not archive In a message dated 10/21/2006 10:44:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dredmoody@cox.net writes: The other option is to make the splice to the whatever multistrand cable you use such that it ends up inside the stick tube. If you do that you have to leave enough slack in that multistrand cable to run it out of the top of the stick, do the connections and heat shrink, then pull the whole mess back down to mount the grip. The ecess has to be secured somewhere out of the way in case you need slack to repair or replace later. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:41 PM PST US From: xl Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing weight? --> Zenith-List message posted by: xl My guess: 75 pounds. I could carry a wing around myself with a clecoed handle. Wild ass calculation (to make my guess seem educated): empty weight of plane = 717 pounds. minus FWF ~200 pounds minus main gear ~50 pounds leaves ~470 pounds. Assuming the fuselage + tail weigh 2x the wings (312#): each wing weighs 1/6 of 470 pounds or 78 pounds (2 wings=156#). Anyway the wings must be < 100 pounds. I'm not willing to take a wing off + weigh it! Joe E N633Z @ BFI CH601XL, 401 hours do not archive - for entertainment purposes only - might not be correct - someone will weigh one or calculate the weight from the plans and I don't want my inaccurate guess archived. On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, Craig Payne wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" > Anyone have a guess what one XL wing weighs? > -- Craig >