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1. 01:41 AM - CH2000 Surveillance Version (Randy Stout)
2. 06:35 AM - Fly In / Air Show Classic Cars-Rome (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
3. 07:04 AM - Loose ends of control cables. (Gig Giacona)
4. 07:11 AM - Re: Loose ends of control cables. (Dave Ruddiman)
5. 07:12 AM - Re: Loose ends of control cables. (Trainnut01@aol.com)
6. 07:37 AM - Re: Loose ends of control cables. (Gig Giacona)
7. 07:38 AM - Re: Loose ends of control cables. (LRM)
8. 07:59 AM - Re: Loose ends of control cables. (John Bolding)
9. 08:27 AM - Clipped wing HD (ron dewees)
10. 08:48 AM - Re: Loose ends of control cables. ()
11. 08:48 AM - Re: Loose ends of control cables. (Gig Giacona)
12. 08:55 AM - Re: Re: Loose ends of control cables. ()
13. 09:46 AM - Re: Clipped Wings (Gpjann@aol.com)
14. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: Loose ends of control cables. (John Bolding)
15. 09:56 AM - Re: Re: Loose ends of control cables. (Paul Mulwitz)
16. 10:51 AM - Re: Loose ends of control cables. (Sigmo@aol.com)
17. 10:54 AM - Starting on instrument panel and looking for advice (Harrison-Hutcheson)
18. 12:16 PM - 701 no slats again (billmileski)
19. 02:03 PM - Re: Loose ends of control cables. (Gig Giacona)
20. 02:06 PM - Re: Starting on instrument panel and looking for advice (Gig Giacona)
21. 02:35 PM - Re: Loose ends of control cables. (Jean-Paul Roy)
22. 02:47 PM - Re: Rivet spacing (Jim Hoak)
23. 03:16 PM - Re: Starting on instrument panel and looking for advice (robert stone)
24. 03:17 PM - Re: Re: Loose ends of control cables. (Robin Bellach)
25. 03:23 PM - Re: Starting on instrument panel and looking for advice (robert stone)
26. 03:23 PM - Re: Starting on instrument panel and looking for advice (phd1993)
27. 03:25 PM - Re: Rivet spacing (Brad Larson)
28. 03:37 PM - Re: Starting on instrument panel and looking for advice (Dave Ruddiman)
29. 04:30 PM - Re: Re: Loose ends of control cables. ()
30. 04:41 PM - Re: Starting on instrument panel and looking for advice (Paul Mulwitz)
31. 05:40 PM - Re: Re: Starting on instrument panel and looking for advice (Juan Vega)
32. 05:40 PM - Re: Starting on instrument panel and looking for advice (Juan Vega)
33. 05:41 PM - Re: Starting on instrument panel and looking for advice (Dave Ruddiman)
34. 05:57 PM - Re: Starting on instrument panel and looking for advice (Dave Ruddiman)
35. 06:15 PM - Re: Starting on instrument panel and looking for advice (Juan Vega)
36. 07:03 PM - Re: Starting on instrument panel and looking for advice (Dave Ruddiman)
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| Subject: | CH2000 Surveillance Version |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Randy Stout <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Look at what Zenith is up to now.
http://www.newplane.com/amd/amd/SAMA/sama.html
Randy Stout
San Antonio, TX
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
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| Subject: | Fly In / Air Show Classic Cars-Rome |
Dear Thread Friends, understand that this thread is directed at building,
maintaining and flying ZAC AC, but I thought some of you would be interested in
a
good weekend destination. They held a fly in / air show and hot rod cat show
at Rome Georgia (RMG) this weekend. The ground fog held the ceiling to 400
feet until about 11:00 then it broke up enough for the bold to get in. Nice
airport and runways. Folks were very friendly and helpful. Had a nice time and
there was a B-25 Bomber and P-51 Mustang and a P-80 jet that flew around. I never
seen a B-25 or P-80 actually fly before, but noticed a real shortage of
experimental homebuilts. Plenty of nice old cars and souped up muscle cars to
see
each with proud owner ready to talk your ear off. Yes, all in all the fly in
was a fine show and I would recommend it to the group. Best building regards,
Bill of Georgia
601XL-3300
N505WP
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| Subject: | Loose ends of control cables. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
I've recently finished installing the control cables for the rudder and elevator.
I've noticed that the cable starts to unravel at the end and don't want it
snagging on anything.
I saw a Gyro the other day with the same swagged connectors and the builder had
safety wired the cables and then covered the ends with epoxy. Seemed like a good
idea. Any comments?
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=69655#69655
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| Subject: | Re: Loose ends of control cables. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
How about using shrink tubing? That's what I have done in the past.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 7:03 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Loose ends of control cables.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
>
> I've recently finished installing the control cables for the rudder and
> elevator. I've noticed that the cable starts to unravel at the end and
> don't want it snagging on anything.
>
> I saw a Gyro the other day with the same swagged connectors and the
> builder had safety wired the cables and then covered the ends with epoxy.
> Seemed like a good idea. Any comments?
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=69655#69655
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| Subject: | Re: Loose ends of control cables. |
I put heat shrink tubing on mine.
Carroll Jernigan
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| Subject: | Re: Loose ends of control cables. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
I'd thought about shrink tubeing and have bought some for electrical connections.
One question though? will it shrink enough if I use tubing that is large enough
to fit over the turnbuckles and other hardware that is already connected?
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Loose ends of control cables. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "LRM" <lrm@skyhawg.com>
I put a second swage that barley covers the ends. Added safety and covers
those skin cutting ends.
Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:03 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Loose ends of control cables.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
>
> I've recently finished installing the control cables for the rudder and
> elevator. I've noticed that the cable starts to unravel at the end and
> don't want it snagging on anything.
>
> I saw a Gyro the other day with the same swagged connectors and the
> builder had safety wired the cables and then covered the ends with epoxy.
> Seemed like a good idea. Any comments?
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=69655#69655
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>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Loose ends of control cables. |
The shrink tubing makes a very neat looking installation, the only snag
is you cover up an inspection point. Generally a drop of "witness
paint" is placed on the wire next to the sleeve to help identify if the
cable is moving within the sleeve, you lose this if you cover it up. I
guess it boils down to comfort level just like everything else. If you
are confident of your swages then use the tubing(I have on all mine
).LOW&SLOW John Bolding
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loose ends of control cables.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman"
<pacificpainting@comcast.net>
How about using shrink tubing? That's what I have done in the past.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 7:03 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Loose ends of control cables.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona"
<wr.giacona@cox.net>
>
> I've recently finished installing the control cables for the rudder
and
> elevator. I've noticed that the cable starts to unravel at the end
and
> don't want it snagging on anything.
>
> I saw a Gyro the other day with the same swagged connectors and the
> builder had safety wired the cables and then covered the ends with
epoxy.
> Seemed like a good idea. Any comments?
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=69655#69655
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Hi Rich and others,
This is a very interesting discussion concerning a clipped wing
conversion of HD wings-- Seems like there is a parallel universe for
this subject because it's been a subject of discussion on the
601_HD-HDS Yahoo group. Mike Stewart and I are flying and comparing a
tri gear and taildragger 601HDS and Mike raised the question of the
clipped wing HD wings. So far we have decided that the tailwheel
configuration may have as much to do with stall behavior as the wing,
but we don't have a HD in the mix yet. Mike has a set of HD spars
hanging on the wall but hasn't decided to build them up and clip them.
I expect it would be a very nice compromise. Both our HDS models make
LSA stall speed so an intermediate size wing would bring it even lower
and the climb performance should be improved too.
Check out the website.
Ron DeWees
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| Subject: | Re: Loose ends of control cables. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Could you thread on some heat shrink material before swaging then back it over
the free ends and shrink it once the swaging is done?
Ed moody II
---- Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@cox.net> wrote:
>
> I've recently finished installing the control cables for the rudder and elevator.
I've noticed that the cable starts to unravel at the end and don't want it
snagging on anything.
>
> I saw a Gyro the other day with the same swagged connectors and the builder had
safety wired the cables and then covered the ends with epoxy. Seemed like a
good idea. Any comments?
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Loose ends of control cables. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
This is one of the reasons I like the epoxy idea. it would act as "witness paint"
for the connection. The second swag sounds like a good idea as well. I wish
I'd thought of it before I installed the cables and I might well use it on all
of the rest.
I'll be honest the control cables scare more than anything else I've built on the
airplane. Not that I think there is anything specifically wrong with the in
design it's just the failure of them seems like it has the highest chance of
failure to consequences ratio of just about the entire airplane. I'll admit this
this is probably me just being a little paranoid but I said it is just a feeling.
[quote="John Bolding"]The shrink tubing makes a very neat looking installation,
the only snag is you cover up an inspection point. Generally a drop of "witness
paint" is placed on the wire next to the sleeve to help identify if the
cable is moving within the sleeve, you lose this if you cover it up. I guess
it boils down to comfort level just like everything else. If you are confident
of your swages then use the tubing(I have on all mine ).LOW&SLOW John Bolding
To: zenith-list@matronics.com (zenith-list@matronics.com)
> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:11 AM
> Subject: Re: Loose ends of control cables.
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman"
>
> How about using shrink tubing? That's what I have done in the past.
>
>
>
> ---
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=69680#69680
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| Subject: | Re: Loose ends of control cables. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Probably not Gig. Go with the wire and epoxy idea at this point.
Ed
---- Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@cox.net> wrote:
>
> I'd thought about shrink tubeing and have bought some for electrical connections.
One question though? will it shrink enough if I use tubing that is large
enough to fit over the turnbuckles and other hardware that is already connected?
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Clipped Wings |
You will greatly alter the load bearing of the wing if you change any
dimension of it.
Make sure you do a new load analysis before changing the original wing.....
GPJ
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| Subject: | Re: Loose ends of control cables. |
Gig, The T-18 uses 3/32 cables (vs 1/8 that Zenith uses) and I think the
Tailwind does as well, make yourself feel better and make up an assy
from cable from Home Depot (cheaper) , using a come-along or your auto
put some serious strain on the cable (keep everybody out of the way) and
then you HAVE PROVEN TO YOURSELF what you are building is capable of
doing the job and you don't have to worry about THAT anymore. I made up
some cables from 1/16" once to see if I could break them using rudder
pedals, I couldn't. John
From: Gig Giacona
I'll be honest the control cables scare more than anything else I've
built on the airplane. Not that I think there is anything specifically
wrong with the in design it's just the failure of them seems like it has
the highest chance of failure to consequences ratio of just about the
entire airplane. I'll admit this this is probably me just being a little
paranoid but I said it is just a feeling.
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| Subject: | Re: Loose ends of control cables. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Gig,
I suppose you are being reasonable to worry about loss of controls
because of cable failure. However, I don't think you should lose a
lot of sleep over this unlikely event. Even if you do lose one of
the cables, you still have backup control systems that will allow you
to fly the plane. You can use the electric trim systems to control
pitch and roll, the aileron and rudder controls back each other up,
and you can use the throttle to control pitch.
Keep in mind the brilliant DC-10 pilot who managed to land his plane
with complete control system loss.
Paul
XL fuselage
>I'll be honest the control cables scare more than anything else I've
>built on the airplane. Not that I think there is anything
>specifically wrong with the in design it's just the failure of them
>seems like it has the highest chance of failure to consequences
>ratio of just about the entire airplane. I'll admit this this is
>probably me just being a little paranoid but I said it is just a feeling.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Loose ends of control cables. |
I used the shrink tubing that I had left over from my wiring.
Mike Sigman
601XL
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| Subject: | Starting on instrument panel and looking for advice |
I have completed assembly of all major components (complete 701 kit) and
currently waiting for engine (912S), the new FWF kit, and basic
instrument package. I am looking to expand the instrumentation to
include NAV/COM, transponder, vertical speed indicator, attitude gyro,
directional gyro, etc. Before I go and drop a fairly sizeable sum of
money at AircraftSpruce.COM I am looking for words of wisdom and advice
- regardless if it is "no problem, just follow the instructions" or
"don't try this at home".
If I do proceed to try and install these instruments (after adding an
extension to the standard sized panel) what other items have I
overlooked that I need to include - antennas, encoders, etc. Also any
comments on any of the following items would be appreciated - especially
if they keep me from wandering down a wrong path:
Crown KX-125 NAV/COM (AircraftSpruce 11-03402)
Garmin GTX327 transponder (AS 11-00329)
Falcon Vertical Speed Indicator (AS 10-05205)
Sigma-Tek Attitude gyro (AS 5000B)
Falcon Directional gyro (AS 10-22950)
PMA4000 Audio Panel (AS 11-11941)
AirGizmo GPS panel (AS 1103509) and Garmin 296 (AS 1102652)
Amp meter (AS AM010)
Vacuum gauge (AS 10-01100)
Thanks in advance.
Sam Hutcheson
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| Subject: | 701 no slats again |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "billmileski" <mileski@sonalysts.com>
Okay, I recently looked at http://www.stolspeed.com/content.php
and the claim there is that several 701's (in addition to Savannahs) are flying
with VGs and no slats, with similar, or even improved STOL, climb, stability
and glide characteristics. The web site author has a Savannah, but I don't know
if his own results are completely applicable to the 701 (didn't someone say
recently that the airfoil is different?).
I emailed the seller of the VGs and haven't heard back yet. Is there any experience
on this list that would support or refute these claims?
Curiously,
Bill Mileski
Connecticut
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| Subject: | Re: Loose ends of control cables. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Please don't get me wrong guys. It's not like I'm staying up night thinking about
it but it is, as far as I'm concerned, a much more critical failure point than
even an engine loss. Admitedly I'm not as concerned as I was now that I took
one of the swagged ends and tried to pull it apart with leverage that I think
is considerably more than it will ever see in flight.
I had always planned that shortly after first flight to do a practice emergency
landing using nothing more than the 4 trim buttons and the throttle just to prove
to myself it could be done and what it would feel like to do it. As a matter
of fact I decided not to put the larger trim tabs on until after such a test.
p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att wrote:
> Hi Gig,
>
> I suppose you are being reasonable to worry about loss of controls
> because of cable failure. However, I don't think you should lose a
> lot of sleep over this unlikely event. Even if you do lose one of
> the cables, you still have backup control systems that will allow you
> to fly the plane. You can use the electric trim systems to control
> pitch and roll, the aileron and rudder controls back each other up,
> and you can use the throttle to control pitch.
>
> Keep in mind the brilliant DC-10 pilot who managed to land his plane
> with complete control system loss.
>
> Paul
> XL fuselage
>
>
>
>
>
> > I'll be honest the control cables scare more than anything else I've
> > built on the airplane. Not that I think there is anything
> > specifically wrong with the in design it's just the failure of them
> > seems like it has the highest chance of failure to consequences
> > ratio of just about the entire airplane. I'll admit this this is
> > probably me just being a little paranoid but I said it is just a feeling.
> >
> >
> >
>
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=69752#69752
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| Subject: | Re: Starting on instrument panel and looking for advice |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Have you priced all of those out yet including a vacuum system. I'd seriously look
at a Dynon system. I know I'm going to.
[quote="phd1993"]I have completed assembly of all major components (complete 701
kit) and currently waiting for engine (912S), the new FWF kit, and basic instrument
package. I am looking to expand the instrumentation to include NAV/COM,
transponder, vertical speed indicator, attitude gyro, directional gyro,
etc. Before I go and drop a fairly sizeable sum of money at AircraftSpruce.COM
I am looking for words of wisdom and advice - regardless if it is "no problem,
just follow the instructions" or "don't try this at home".
If I do proceed to try and install these instruments (after adding an extension
to the standard sized panel) what other items have I overlooked that I need
to include - antennas, encoders, etc. Also any comments on any of the following
items would be appreciated - especially if they keep me from wandering
down a wrong path:
Crown KX-125 NAV/COM (AircraftSpruce 11-03402)
Garmin GTX327 transponder (AS 11-00329)
Falcon Vertical Speed Indicator (AS 10-05205)
Sigma-Tek Attitude gyro (AS 5000B)
Falcon Directional gyro (AS 10-22950)
PMA4000 Audio Panel (AS 11-11941)
AirGizmo GPS panel (AS 1103509) and Garmin 296 (AS 1102652)
Amp meter (AS AM010)
Vacuum gauge (AS 10-01100)
Thanks in advance.
Sam Hutcheson
> [b]
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=69755#69755
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| Subject: | Re: Loose ends of control cables. |
John, I think the idea of using heat shrink tubing is great. I've seen
some transparent ones but can't remember where. It's a company selling
electrical goods.
Jean-Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: John Bolding
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loose ends of control cables.
The shrink tubing makes a very neat looking installation, the only
snag is you cover up an inspection point. Generally a drop of "witness
paint" is placed on the wire next to the sleeve to help identify if the
cable is moving within the sleeve, you lose this if you cover it up. I
guess it boils down to comfort level just like everything else. If you
are confident of your swages then use the tubing(I have on all mine
).LOW&SLOW John Bolding
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet spacing |
Mark,
You are one fuuny guy! Reminds me of the Red Green Show.
I really enjoyed that.
Jim Hoak
----- Original Message -----
From: Zodie Rocket
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rivet spacing
My god that hurts my head and I didn=92t even finish reading it all.
Can=92t afford a rivet fan spacing tool? Go into the house, bottom
drawer of your dresser and yank out those track pants that you never
wear any more. Cut a hole in seam and yank out elastic waist band. Now
carefully mark lines every ten millimeters. Go out to workshop and count
how may rivets you need say 9 now count to 9 on the elastic and place
first line on first rivet location. STRETCH waistband so that line #9 is
where it is supposed to be. Now you have equal distance for rest of
rivets. If you can=92t clamp waistband down or cleco it in place then
set sharpie between teeth. After your all done grab some duct tape and
safety wire and you can repair your track pants. Elastic cannot be
replaced into the pants as it just became to handy in the shop. J Put on
pants with safety wire as suspenders and grab a coffee. Next comes the
bad part! With pants on and coffee in hand call wife out to the workshop
to show her just how much of a genius her husband is, If she is anything
like mine she will disappear into the house shaking her head vigorously
and muttering something about senile old fool or something to that
effect !
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George
Swinford
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 12:17 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Rivet spacing
Here's another way to space your rivets:
Mark the end rivets in the pattern and measure the distance between
them. Divide that distance by the number of equal spaces you need. Be
sure to use the number of spaces, which is one less than the number of
rivets in the pattern. Enter the resulting number in a calculator with
a memory function, and store it in the memory. Layout the distance from
an end rivet to the next one in the pattern, using a metric scale or
tape measure. From there on, get each successive measurement (from the
end rivet) by adding the number in memory to the number in the
calculator display. This is more accurate than just measuring the
"equal space" dimension from rivet to rivet, since the little errors in
measurement don't accumulate.
Of course, with this method, you don't have an excuse for adding a
rivet fan to your tool collection.
George
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| Subject: | Re: Starting on instrument panel and looking for advice |
Harrison,
Keep in mind that if you are installing dual sticks, you will have
ample space on the center consol to place flight instruments, GPS,
engine instruments, etc.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL,
----- Original Message -----
From: Harrison-Hutcheson
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 12:06 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Starting on instrument panel and looking for
advice
I have completed assembly of all major components (complete 701 kit)
and currently waiting for engine (912S), the new FWF kit, and basic
instrument package. I am looking to expand the instrumentation to
include NAV/COM, transponder, vertical speed indicator, attitude gyro,
directional gyro, etc. Before I go and drop a fairly sizeable sum of
money at AircraftSpruce.COM I am looking for words of wisdom and advice
- regardless if it is "no problem, just follow the instructions" or
"don't try this at home".
If I do proceed to try and install these instruments (after adding an
extension to the standard sized panel) what other items have I
overlooked that I need to include - antennas, encoders, etc. Also any
comments on any of the following items would be appreciated - especially
if they keep me from wandering down a wrong path:
Crown KX-125 NAV/COM (AircraftSpruce 11-03402)
Garmin GTX327 transponder (AS 11-00329)
Falcon Vertical Speed Indicator (AS 10-05205)
Sigma-Tek Attitude gyro (AS 5000B)
Falcon Directional gyro (AS 10-22950)
PMA4000 Audio Panel (AS 11-11941)
AirGizmo GPS panel (AS 1103509) and Garmin 296 (AS 1102652)
Amp meter (AS AM010)
Vacuum gauge (AS 10-01100)
Thanks in advance.
Sam Hutcheson
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| Subject: | Re: Loose ends of control cables. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
That's all well and good if the control surfaces are handily floating freely
in the breeze, but what if when a cable unattaches in such a way as to hook
a contraption on its end like a turnbuckle onto something such that the
control surface is locked in an extreme position? My old 172 flew quite well
when elavator control was lost due to the bellcrank pulling loose, but I'd
hate to be flying anything with the ailerons locked to nearly one extreme or
the other.
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 4:02 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Loose ends of control cables.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
>
> Please don't get me wrong guys. It's not like I'm staying up night
> thinking about it but it is, as far as I'm concerned, a much more critical
> failure point than even an engine loss. Admitedly I'm not as concerned as
> I was now that I took one of the swagged ends and tried to pull it apart
> with leverage that I think is considerably more than it will ever see in
> flight.
>
> I had always planned that shortly after first flight to do a practice
> emergency landing using nothing more than the 4 trim buttons and the
> throttle just to prove to myself it could be done and what it would feel
> like to do it. As a matter of fact I decided not to put the larger trim
> tabs on until after such a test.
>
>
> p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att wrote:
>> Hi Gig,
>>
>> I suppose you are being reasonable to worry about loss of controls
>> because of cable failure. However, I don't think you should lose a
>> lot of sleep over this unlikely event. Even if you do lose one of
>> the cables, you still have backup control systems that will allow you
>> to fly the plane. You can use the electric trim systems to control
>> pitch and roll, the aileron and rudder controls back each other up,
>> and you can use the throttle to control pitch.
>>
>> Keep in mind the brilliant DC-10 pilot who managed to land his plane
>> with complete control system loss.
>>
>> Paul
>> XL fuselage
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > I'll be honest the control cables scare more than anything else I've
>> > built on the airplane. Not that I think there is anything
>> > specifically wrong with the in design it's just the failure of them
>> > seems like it has the highest chance of failure to consequences
>> > ratio of just about the entire airplane. I'll admit this this is
>> > probably me just being a little paranoid but I said it is just a
>> > feeling.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=69752#69752
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Starting on instrument panel and looking for advice |
Harrison,
Keep in mind that if you are installing dual sticks, you will have
ample space on the center consol to place flight instruments, GPS,
engine instruments, etc.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL,
----- Original Message -----
From: Harrison-Hutcheson
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 12:06 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Starting on instrument panel and looking for
advice
I have completed assembly of all major components (complete 701 kit)
and currently waiting for engine (912S), the new FWF kit, and basic
instrument package. I am looking to expand the instrumentation to
include NAV/COM, transponder, vertical speed indicator, attitude gyro,
directional gyro, etc. Before I go and drop a fairly sizeable sum of
money at AircraftSpruce.COM I am looking for words of wisdom and advice
- regardless if it is "no problem, just follow the instructions" or
"don't try this at home".
If I do proceed to try and install these instruments (after adding an
extension to the standard sized panel) what other items have I
overlooked that I need to include - antennas, encoders, etc. Also any
comments on any of the following items would be appreciated - especially
if they keep me from wandering down a wrong path:
Crown KX-125 NAV/COM (AircraftSpruce 11-03402)
Garmin GTX327 transponder (AS 11-00329)
Falcon Vertical Speed Indicator (AS 10-05205)
Sigma-Tek Attitude gyro (AS 5000B)
Falcon Directional gyro (AS 10-22950)
PMA4000 Audio Panel (AS 11-11941)
AirGizmo GPS panel (AS 1103509) and Garmin 296 (AS 1102652)
Amp meter (AS AM010)
Vacuum gauge (AS 10-01100)
Thanks in advance.
Sam Hutcheson
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "phd1993" <samhutcheson@kc.rr.com>
Gig, I ordered the Rotax 912S with the factory installed vacuum pump. I have priced
them out and am still "swallowing hard". Vast majority of costs are for
the NAV/COM and Transponder both of which are really needed since I will be in-and-out
of class "D" airspace (OJC and IXD) and within the mode "C" vail around
MCI.
Major problem will undoubtedly revolve around just where am I going to put all
the instruments. The reality of limited space may well lead me to drop one or
more of my desired instruments.
Thanks,
Sam Hutcheson
CH701 - N6412Z
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=69765#69765
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet spacing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brad Larson <blarson@meridianhouse.com>
He's probably* *Old Man Sedgwick...
For those of you who have no idea what we're talking about:
www.redgreen.com
Brad Larson
Card Carrying Possum Lodge Member
701CE (no duct tape.... yet)
do not archive
Jim Hoak wrote:
> Mark,
>
> You are one fuuny guy! Reminds me of the Red Green Show.
>
> I really enjoyed that.
>
> Jim Hoak
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Zodie Rocket <mailto:zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com <mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 20, 2006 5:28 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Zenith-List: Rivet spacing
>
> My god that hurts my head and I didnt even finish reading it all.
> Cant afford a rivet fan spacing tool? Go into the house, bottom
> drawer of your dresser and yank out those track pants that you
> never wear any more. Cut a hole in seam and yank out elastic waist
> band. Now carefully mark lines every ten millimeters. Go out to
> workshop and count how may rivets you need say 9 now count to 9 on
> the elastic and place first line on first rivet location. STRETCH
> waistband so that line #9 is where it is supposed to be. Now you
> have equal distance for rest of rivets. If you cant clamp
> waistband down or cleco it in place then set sharpie between
> teeth. After your all done grab some duct tape and safety wire and
> you can repair your track pants. Elastic cannot be replaced into
> the pants as it just became to handy in the shop. J Put on pants
> with safety wire as suspenders and grab a coffee. Next comes the
> bad part! With pants on and coffee in hand call wife out to the
> workshop to show her just how much of a genius her husband is, If
> she is anything like mine she will disappear into the house
> shaking her head vigorously and muttering something about senile
> old fool or something to that effect !
>
>
>
> Mark Townsend
>
> Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
>
> president@can-zacaviation.com <mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com>
>
> www.can-zacaviation.com <http://www.can-zacaviation.com/>
>
>
>
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Has anyone actually priced out the cost of round gauges verses a Dynon
system? I know that it depends on what instruments you use, but
something approximate.
----- Original Message -----
From: robert stone
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Starting on instrument panel and looking for
advice
Harrison,
Keep in mind that if you are installing dual sticks, you will
have ample space on the center consol to place flight instruments, GPS,
engine instruments, etc.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL,
----- Original Message -----
From: Harrison-Hutcheson
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 12:06 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Starting on instrument panel and looking for
advice
I have completed assembly of all major components (complete 701 kit)
and currently waiting for engine (912S), the new FWF kit, and basic
instrument package. I am looking to expand the instrumentation to
include NAV/COM, transponder, vertical speed indicator, attitude gyro,
directional gyro, etc. Before I go and drop a fairly sizeable sum of
money at AircraftSpruce.COM I am looking for words of wisdom and advice
- regardless if it is "no problem, just follow the instructions" or
"don't try this at home".
If I do proceed to try and install these instruments (after adding
an extension to the standard sized panel) what other items have I
overlooked that I need to include - antennas, encoders, etc. Also any
comments on any of the following items would be appreciated - especially
if they keep me from wandering down a wrong path:
Crown KX-125 NAV/COM (AircraftSpruce 11-03402)
Garmin GTX327 transponder (AS 11-00329)
Falcon Vertical Speed Indicator (AS 10-05205)
Sigma-Tek Attitude gyro (AS 5000B)
Falcon Directional gyro (AS 10-22950)
PMA4000 Audio Panel (AS 11-11941)
AirGizmo GPS panel (AS 1103509) and Garmin 296 (AS 1102652)
Amp meter (AS AM010)
Vacuum gauge (AS 10-01100)
Thanks in advance.
Sam Hutcheson
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron
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| Subject: | Re: Loose ends of control cables. |
Gig, I don't think the average or even not-so-average human being coul
d exert enough force to slip a swaged cable out of its sleeve, particu
larly sitting in a cockpit. A 1/8 cable has a breaking point around 6
or 7 hundred pounds, if I recall correctly, and even an aluminum turnb
uckle from Home Depot is good for 425 pounds. In order to develop that
kind of force on a control surface, you'd have to achieve a speed tha
t would have removed your wings long earlier. (somewhat larger problem
). Slap a daub of witness paint on it just to keep the DAR happy, and
relax. Frankly, I think the most likely control failure would be rip
ping the upper arm off the elevator, and even that is unlikely, since
it's held on by several "holds 235-pounds in tension" rivets, and the
040 rear spar strap.=0A=0APaul Rodriguez=0A601XL/Corvair
=0AForever on the canopy=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A F
rom: Gig Giacona<mailto:wr.giacona@cox.net> =0A To: zenith-list@ma
tronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com> =0A Sent: Monday, Oc
tober 23, 2006 4:02 PM=0A Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Loose ends of
control cables.=0A=0A=0A --> Zenith-List message posted by:
"Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net<mailto:wr.giacona@cox.net>>=0A
=0A Please don't get me wrong guys. It's not like I'm staying up nigh
t thinking about it but it is, as far as I'm concerned, a much more cr
itical failure point than even an engine loss. Admitedly I'm not as co
ncerned as I was now that I took one of the swagged ends and tried to
pull it apart with leverage that I think is considerably more than it
will ever see in flight.=0A=0A I had always planned that shortl
y after first flight to do a practice emergency landing using nothing
more than the 4 trim buttons and the throttle just to prove to myself
it could be done and what it would feel like to do it. As a matter of
fact I decided not to put the larger trim tabs on until after such a t
est.=0A=0A=0A=0A p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att wrote:=0A
> Hi Gig,=0A > =0A > I suppose you are being reasonable to wor
ry about loss of controls =0A > because of cable failure. However
, I don't think you should lose a =0A > lot of sleep over this unl
ikely event. Even if you do lose one of =0A > the cables, you sti
ll have backup control systems that will allow you =0A > to fly th
e plane. You can use the electric trim systems to control =0A > p
itch and roll, the aileron and rudder controls back each other up,
=0A > and you can use the throttle to control pitch.=0A >
=0A > Keep in mind the brilliant DC-10 pilot who managed to land his
plane =0A > with complete control system loss.=0A > =0A >
Paul=0A > XL fuselage=0A > =0A > =0A > =0A >
=0A > =0A > > I'll be honest the control cables scare more than a
nything else I've =0A > > built on the airplane. Not that I think
there is anything =0A > > specifically wrong with the in design it
's just the failure of them =0A > > seems like it has the highest
chance of failure to consequences =0A > > ratio of just about the
entire airplane. I'll admit this this is =0A > > probably me just
being a little paranoid but I said it is just a feeling.=0A > >
=0A > > =0A > > =0A > =0A=0A=0A --------=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Starting on instrument panel and looking for advice |
Hi Dave,
It is hard to do an apples to apples comparison between any EFIS and
a panel using individual instruments. This is because you would
probably not include all the functions on the discrete panel as the
EFIS provides. Still, even if you only have a few high quality steam
gauges the Dynon will cost a lot less and take a lot less space on the panel.
I think the biggest advantage of using a Dynon or similar device is
that you get complete instrument flying capability (albeit not quite
enough to qualify as sufficient for IFR) in a single low cost light
weight package. I am not sure how to figure out a panel for actual
IFR operation, but since I will be exercising Sport Pilot privileges
that is not an issue for me.
I am curious if anyone has found an optimum choice for radios for one
of our planes. I would want enough to operate in class C or B
airspace with minimum equipment. That would certainly include
communications, transponder, encoding altimeter (an EFIS output) and
some sort of navigation which might include both GPS and
VOR/LOC/GS. I think Garmin makes a multifunction radio with most of
these functions, but I don't know who else does.
Paul
XL fuselage
At 03:37 PM 10/23/2006, you wrote:
>Has anyone actually priced out the cost of round gauges verses a
>Dynon system? I know that it depends on what instruments you use,
>but something approximate.
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Paul,
I chose the Dynon IFIS and D 120 engine mgt system. when compared to steam guages,
Dynon is easier to install, ( non vacuum system) and much lighter. when you compare
price, you can get D100 and d120 for 5500.00 approx. A great radio/ transponder
combo is the Becker system for $3030.00 approx. Take those numbers and compare
to a regular six pack and a garmin radio system and it is the best combo, budget
and weight wise for the 601. My opinion only of course.
Juan Vega 601xl 3300 engine
Tampa FLA
-----Original Message-----
>From: phd1993 <samhutcheson@kc.rr.com>
>Sent: Oct 23, 2006 6:23 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Starting on instrument panel and looking for advice
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "phd1993" <samhutcheson@kc.rr.com>
>
>Gig, I ordered the Rotax 912S with the factory installed vacuum pump. I have
priced them out and am still "swallowing hard". Vast majority of costs are for
the NAV/COM and Transponder both of which are really needed since I will be
in-and-out of class "D" airspace (OJC and IXD) and within the mode "C" vail around
MCI.
>
>Major problem will undoubtedly revolve around just where am I going to put all
the instruments. The reality of limited space may well lead me to drop one or
more of my desired instruments.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Sam Hutcheson
>CH701 - N6412Z
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=69765#69765
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Dave and others interested,
here is what I have in my Panel,
Dynon D-100, D120, price estim. $5000.00 approx- light weight, good reliability
Becker transponder/ radio estim $3030.00 approx - light weight small space
occupier(each the size of DG)
Compass -$100 for a good one
GPS Lowrance 2000 C $900.00 depending on whobought from and when.
Total is $9200.00 approx.
Switches and fuses key, master switch- $400.00
Wiring (various) $400.00
Antennae(s) radio, Transponder, I chose the non TSOd ones, $80.00
Labor for install (anywhere from free tocase of beer to profesional install ($4000.00
to $7000.00).
I budgeted $10,000.00 for a VFR panel and stuck to it. There is one being built
in ZPH with a $20,000.00(ouch) panel. I sent the guy some Novacaine.
Juan Vega 601 xl 3300
Tampa FLA
-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>Sent: Oct 23, 2006 7:40 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Starting on instrument panel and looking for advice
>
>Hi Dave,
>
>It is hard to do an apples to apples comparison between any EFIS and
>a panel using individual instruments. This is because you would
>probably not include all the functions on the discrete panel as the
>EFIS provides. Still, even if you only have a few high quality steam
>gauges the Dynon will cost a lot less and take a lot less space on the panel.
>
>I think the biggest advantage of using a Dynon or similar device is
>that you get complete instrument flying capability (albeit not quite
>enough to qualify as sufficient for IFR) in a single low cost light
>weight package. I am not sure how to figure out a panel for actual
>IFR operation, but since I will be exercising Sport Pilot privileges
>that is not an issue for me.
>
>I am curious if anyone has found an optimum choice for radios for one
>of our planes. I would want enough to operate in class C or B
>airspace with minimum equipment. That would certainly include
>communications, transponder, encoding altimeter (an EFIS output) and
>some sort of navigation which might include both GPS and
>VOR/LOC/GS. I think Garmin makes a multifunction radio with most of
>these functions, but I don't know who else does.
>
>
>Paul
>XL fuselage
>
>
>At 03:37 PM 10/23/2006, you wrote:
>>Has anyone actually priced out the cost of round gauges verses a
>>Dynon system? I know that it depends on what instruments you use,
>>but something approximate.
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Starting on instrument panel and looking for advice |
Paul,
Even though I am quite a ways from needing instruments and radios I
always like to keep an eye out for what's out there and what works and
doesn't work. I talked to the guy that owns Val Avionics in Salem and I
will probably go with his com radio. Maybe a King transponder and ACK
encoder. I've owned 3 different Garmin GPS's and figured I would get
another one, but there are others out there that look as good. That
one's still up in the air. He said he would prewire them and so that it
is basically a hook up for me. He also has some suggestions on antennas
for metal aircraft. The instruments are a different story. I had
initially planned on using round gauges and haven't really priced things
both ways. That's what I have always flown with, but the Dynon sure
seems to be popular. I'd like to be able to make a decision on what I
will use for sure pretty soon so that can be one more thing out of the
way.
Dave in Salem
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Mulwitz
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Starting on instrument panel and looking for
advice
Hi Dave,
It is hard to do an apples to apples comparison between any EFIS and a
panel using individual instruments. This is because you would probably
not include all the functions on the discrete panel as the EFIS
provides. Still, even if you only have a few high quality steam gauges
the Dynon will cost a lot less and take a lot less space on the panel.
I think the biggest advantage of using a Dynon or similar device is
that you get complete instrument flying capability (albeit not quite
enough to qualify as sufficient for IFR) in a single low cost light
weight package. I am not sure how to figure out a panel for actual IFR
operation, but since I will be exercising Sport Pilot privileges that is
not an issue for me.
I am curious if anyone has found an optimum choice for radios for one
of our planes. I would want enough to operate in class C or B airspace
with minimum equipment. That would certainly include communications,
transponder, encoding altimeter (an EFIS output) and some sort of
navigation which might include both GPS and VOR/LOC/GS. I think Garmin
makes a multifunction radio with most of these functions, but I don't
know who else does.
Paul
XL fuselage
At 03:37 PM 10/23/2006, you wrote:
Has anyone actually priced out the cost of round gauges verses a
Dynon system? I know that it depends on what instruments you use, but
something approximate.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW WITH A STATE ROAD MAP IS BEGINNING TO LOOK LIKE
ANOTHER OPTION.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Starting on instrument panel and looking for
advice
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>
>
> Dave and others interested,
>
> here is what I have in my Panel,
> Dynon D-100, D120, price estim. $5000.00 approx- light weight, good
> reliability
> Becker transponder/ radio estim $3030.00 approx - light weight small
> space
> occupier(each the size of DG)
> Compass -$100 for a good one
> GPS Lowrance 2000 C $900.00 depending on whobought from and
> when.
>
> Total is $9200.00 approx.
>
> Switches and fuses key, master switch- $400.00
> Wiring (various) $400.00
> Antennae(s) radio, Transponder, I chose the non TSOd ones, $80.00
>
> Labor for install (anywhere from free tocase of beer to profesional
> install ($4000.00
> to $7000.00).
>
> I budgeted $10,000.00 for a VFR panel and stuck to it. There is one being
> built
> in ZPH with a $20,000.00(ouch) panel. I sent the guy some Novacaine.
>
> Juan Vega 601 xl 3300
> Tampa FLA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>>Sent: Oct 23, 2006 7:40 PM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Starting on instrument panel and looking for
>>advice
>>
>>Hi Dave,
>>
>>It is hard to do an apples to apples comparison between any EFIS and
>>a panel using individual instruments. This is because you would
>>probably not include all the functions on the discrete panel as the
>>EFIS provides. Still, even if you only have a few high quality steam
>>gauges the Dynon will cost a lot less and take a lot less space on the
>>panel.
>>
>>I think the biggest advantage of using a Dynon or similar device is
>>that you get complete instrument flying capability (albeit not quite
>>enough to qualify as sufficient for IFR) in a single low cost light
>>weight package. I am not sure how to figure out a panel for actual
>>IFR operation, but since I will be exercising Sport Pilot privileges
>>that is not an issue for me.
>>
>>I am curious if anyone has found an optimum choice for radios for one
>>of our planes. I would want enough to operate in class C or B
>>airspace with minimum equipment. That would certainly include
>>communications, transponder, encoding altimeter (an EFIS output) and
>>some sort of navigation which might include both GPS and
>>VOR/LOC/GS. I think Garmin makes a multifunction radio with most of
>>these functions, but I don't know who else does.
>>
>>
>>Paul
>>XL fuselage
>>
>>
>>
>>At 03:37 PM 10/23/2006, you wrote:
>>>Has anyone actually priced out the cost of round gauges verses a
>>>Dynon system? I know that it depends on what instruments you use,
>>>but something approximate.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Dave,
what is so bad about a street map, I do that now! I hate turning around when I
miss an exit.
Juan
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dave Ruddiman <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
>Sent: Oct 23, 2006 8:56 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Starting on instrument panel and looking for advice
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
>
>LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW WITH A STATE ROAD MAP IS BEGINNING TO LOOK LIKE
>ANOTHER OPTION.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 5:40 PM
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Starting on instrument panel and looking for
>advice
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>>
>>
>> Dave and others interested,
>>
>> here is what I have in my Panel,
>> Dynon D-100, D120, price estim. $5000.00 approx- light weight, good
>> reliability
>> Becker transponder/ radio estim $3030.00 approx - light weight small
>> space
>> occupier(each the size of DG)
>> Compass -$100 for a good one
>> GPS Lowrance 2000 C $900.00 depending on whobought from and
>> when.
>>
>> Total is $9200.00 approx.
>>
>> Switches and fuses key, master switch- $400.00
>> Wiring (various) $400.00
>> Antennae(s) radio, Transponder, I chose the non TSOd ones, $80.00
>>
>> Labor for install (anywhere from free tocase of beer to profesional
>> install ($4000.00
>> to $7000.00).
>>
>> I budgeted $10,000.00 for a VFR panel and stuck to it. There is one being
>> built
>> in ZPH with a $20,000.00(ouch) panel. I sent the guy some Novacaine.
>>
>> Juan Vega 601 xl 3300
>> Tampa FLA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>>>Sent: Oct 23, 2006 7:40 PM
>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Starting on instrument panel and looking for
>>>advice
>>>
>>>Hi Dave,
>>>
>>>It is hard to do an apples to apples comparison between any EFIS and
>>>a panel using individual instruments. This is because you would
>>>probably not include all the functions on the discrete panel as the
>>>EFIS provides. Still, even if you only have a few high quality steam
>>>gauges the Dynon will cost a lot less and take a lot less space on the
>>>panel.
>>>
>>>I think the biggest advantage of using a Dynon or similar device is
>>>that you get complete instrument flying capability (albeit not quite
>>>enough to qualify as sufficient for IFR) in a single low cost light
>>>weight package. I am not sure how to figure out a panel for actual
>>>IFR operation, but since I will be exercising Sport Pilot privileges
>>>that is not an issue for me.
>>>
>>>I am curious if anyone has found an optimum choice for radios for one
>>>of our planes. I would want enough to operate in class C or B
>>>airspace with minimum equipment. That would certainly include
>>>communications, transponder, encoding altimeter (an EFIS output) and
>>>some sort of navigation which might include both GPS and
>>>VOR/LOC/GS. I think Garmin makes a multifunction radio with most of
>>>these functions, but I don't know who else does.
>>>
>>>
>>>Paul
>>>XL fuselage
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>At 03:37 PM 10/23/2006, you wrote:
>>>>Has anyone actually priced out the cost of round gauges verses a
>>>>Dynon system? I know that it depends on what instruments you use,
>>>>but something approximate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
I sold my Cub about a year ago and with it you don't even need a map. You
can just read the signs. Hard part is keeping up with the vehicle traffic.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Starting on instrument panel and looking for
advice
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>
> Dave,
> what is so bad about a street map, I do that now! I hate turning around
> when I miss an exit.
>
> Juan
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Dave Ruddiman <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
>>Sent: Oct 23, 2006 8:56 PM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Starting on instrument panel and looking for
>>advice
>>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman"
>><pacificpainting@comcast.net>
>>
>>LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW WITH A STATE ROAD MAP IS BEGINNING TO LOOK LIKE
>>ANOTHER OPTION.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 5:40 PM
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Starting on instrument panel and looking for
>>advice
>>
>>
>>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave and others interested,
>>>
>>> here is what I have in my Panel,
>>> Dynon D-100, D120, price estim. $5000.00 approx- light weight, good
>>> reliability
>>> Becker transponder/ radio estim $3030.00 approx - light weight
>>> small
>>> space
>>> occupier(each the size of DG)
>>> Compass -$100 for a good one
>>> GPS Lowrance 2000 C $900.00 depending on whobought from and
>>> when.
>>>
>>> Total is $9200.00 approx.
>>>
>>> Switches and fuses key, master switch- $400.00
>>> Wiring (various) $400.00
>>> Antennae(s) radio, Transponder, I chose the non TSOd ones, $80.00
>>>
>>> Labor for install (anywhere from free tocase of beer to profesional
>>> install ($4000.00
>>> to $7000.00).
>>>
>>> I budgeted $10,000.00 for a VFR panel and stuck to it. There is one
>>> being
>>> built
>>> in ZPH with a $20,000.00(ouch) panel. I sent the guy some Novacaine.
>>>
>>> Juan Vega 601 xl 3300
>>> Tampa FLA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>>>>Sent: Oct 23, 2006 7:40 PM
>>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Starting on instrument panel and looking for
>>>>advice
>>>>
>>>>Hi Dave,
>>>>
>>>>It is hard to do an apples to apples comparison between any EFIS and
>>>>a panel using individual instruments. This is because you would
>>>>probably not include all the functions on the discrete panel as the
>>>>EFIS provides. Still, even if you only have a few high quality steam
>>>>gauges the Dynon will cost a lot less and take a lot less space on the
>>>>panel.
>>>>
>>>>I think the biggest advantage of using a Dynon or similar device is
>>>>that you get complete instrument flying capability (albeit not quite
>>>>enough to qualify as sufficient for IFR) in a single low cost light
>>>>weight package. I am not sure how to figure out a panel for actual
>>>>IFR operation, but since I will be exercising Sport Pilot privileges
>>>>that is not an issue for me.
>>>>
>>>>I am curious if anyone has found an optimum choice for radios for one
>>>>of our planes. I would want enough to operate in class C or B
>>>>airspace with minimum equipment. That would certainly include
>>>>communications, transponder, encoding altimeter (an EFIS output) and
>>>>some sort of navigation which might include both GPS and
>>>>VOR/LOC/GS. I think Garmin makes a multifunction radio with most of
>>>>these functions, but I don't know who else does.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Paul
>>>>XL fuselage
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>At 03:37 PM 10/23/2006, you wrote:
>>>>>Has anyone actually priced out the cost of round gauges verses a
>>>>>Dynon system? I know that it depends on what instruments you use,
>>>>>but something approximate.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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