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1. 06:32 AM - Trim tabs (robert stone)
2. 06:41 AM - Re: Trim tabs (crvsecretary@aol.com)
3. 07:10 AM - Re: Trim tabs (Robin Bellach)
4. 07:29 AM - Accident Investigation Results (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
5. 07:43 AM - Re: Trim tabs (Zodie Rocket)
6. 07:52 AM - Re: Accident Investigation Results (Zodie Rocket)
7. 08:00 AM - CH601XL Brake Lines (Hunt Malcolm)
8. 08:20 AM - sheet metal brake (Dave Ruddiman)
9. 08:52 AM - Re: CH601XL Brake Lines (Robin Bellach)
10. 09:15 AM - Re: Trim tabs (Charles Wacker)
11. 09:48 AM - Re: CH601XL Brake Lines (Juan Vega)
12. 09:55 AM - Re: Accident Investigation Results (Juan Vega)
13. 09:56 AM - Re: Accident Investigation Results (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
14. 10:28 AM - Re: Accident Investigation Results (Zodie Rocket)
15. 10:52 AM - Re: CH601XL Brake Lines (Geoff Heap)
16. 12:54 PM - Re: sheet metal brake (Geoff Heap)
17. 01:45 PM - Re: 601 seat belt attachment history. (Chuck Deiterich)
18. 03:28 PM - EAA 774 Bald Eagle Day (Matt Stecher)
19. 03:45 PM - About Zodiac's weight (Roberto Ap. Rodrigues de Brito)
20. 03:58 PM - Re: Culver Props/ Valley Eng 701 VW engine firewall forward p (Kemter)
21. 04:23 PM - Re: sheet metal brake (ROBERT SCEPPA)
22. 04:48 PM - Re: sheet metal brake (Dave Ruddiman)
23. 04:53 PM - Re: About Zodiac's weight (LarryMcFarland)
24. 05:40 PM - Re: Accident Investigation Results (n801bh@netzero.com)
25. 05:51 PM - Re: sheet metal brake (Paul Mulwitz)
26. 06:40 PM - Re: About Zodiac's weight (Juan Vega)
27. 06:51 PM - Re: About Zodiac's weight (Southern Reflections)
28. 07:00 PM - Bending small brackets, etc (George Swinford)
29. 07:28 PM - Sheet Metal Brake (Dave Ruddiman)
30. 07:28 PM - Re: sheet metal brake (Ron Lendon)
31. 11:51 PM - Test Please delete (Randy Stout)
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Netters.
This message is for those of you who are building the ZodiacXL from
the standard kit. I would like to know if the left or right wing trim
system including the tab, moter, wiring, up & down switch is furnished
as a part of the kit or is this an option available for more money.
Bob Stone
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Hello Bob:
You need the aileron trim tab kit
http://www.zenithair.com/kit-data/trim.html
I do not believe it is furnished with the Quick-build kit; it was extra cost when
I purchased my standard kit.
Tracy Smith
601XL
N458XL (reserved)
working on wings
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From: rstone4@hot.rr.com
Sent: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:57 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Trim tabs
Netters.
This message is for those of you who are building the ZodiacXL from the standard
kit. I would like to know if the left or right wing trim system including
the tab, moter, wiring, up & down switch is furnished as a part of the kit
or is this an option available for more money.
Bob Stone
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It's an option at additional cost. Per ZAC web site:
AILERON TRIM TAB KIT $330
Recessed tab located in the left aileron. Electric motor actuation, with
push-button control and position indicator.
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From: robert stone
To: Zenith List
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 9:57 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Trim tabs
Netters.
This message is for those of you who are building the ZodiacXL
from the standard kit. I would like to know if the left or right wing
trim system including the tab, moter, wiring, up & down switch is
furnished as a part of the kit or is this an option available for more
money.
Bob Stone
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| Subject: | Accident Investigation Results |
Dear Thread Friends, I want to refresh your memory a bit. You all do recall
the 601XL (N105RH) that crashed in Oakedale California last 8 February? Two
fellows, in pattern, wings folded back, crash-both fatal? I checked NTSB and
could not find any finding as to cause. It's been 8 months. Shouldn't there be
some findings about what caused the crash by now? Maybe I missed it somewhere.
Does anyone know of a cause report somewhere? Best regards, Bill of Georgia
601XL-3300
N505WP
93 great hours
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Hi Bob, the standard kit comes with the electric elevator trim kit as a
standard feature. The aileron trim kit is an option and it is one in
which I highly recommend. I would also recommend a stick grip from Ray
Allen Company to control both axis of trim. This is not necessary but it
is a nice add on for your plane.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert
stone
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:58 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Trim tabs
Netters.
This message is for those of you who are building the ZodiacXL from
the standard kit. I would like to know if the left or right wing trim
system including the tab, moter, wiring, up & down switch is furnished
as a part of the kit or is this an option available for more money.
Bob Stone
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| Subject: | Accident Investigation Results |
Yes there has been some speculation as to that crash and the fact that
bolts were purchased just before the flight from Home depot ( not
confirmed). What is confirmed is that the owner neglected to install
nuts on the rear spar bolts(confirmed) The bolts were thought to have
departed the spar well into the flight and the adding of flaps was what
folded the wing . It is as we suspected and talked about. Is there a
lesson to be learned from this, No you already should have learned to
pre-flight your plane and if you remove any structure you double check
everything then have someone else check it. I feel bad for the pilot and
families sometimes it is hard to calm the eagerness before a flight.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:28 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Accident Investigation Results
Dear Thread Friends, I want to refresh your memory a bit. You all do
recall the 601XL (N105RH) that crashed in Oakedale California last 8
February? Two fellows, in pattern, wings folded back, crash-both fatal?
I checked NTSB and could not find any finding as to cause. It's been 8
months. Shouldn't there be some findings about what caused the crash by
now? Maybe I missed it somewhere. Does anyone know of a cause report
somewhere? Best regards, Bill of Georgia
601XL-3300
N505WP
93 great hours
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| Subject: | CH601XL Brake Lines |
Help!
Can anyone advise the material that Zenith supply in the kits for brake
lines and are the fitting to the master cylinders/brake actuators brass
or nylon?
Thanks in advance
Malcolm Hunt
CH601XL Plans Builder in England
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| Subject: | sheet metal brake |
I know this subject has been brought up before, and I looked back in the
archives to check it out, but I'm thinking about getting a 48" brake
for bending some brackets, some L metal strips and just generally light
stuff. I don't want to build one. I'm already building an airplane.
Looks like they are around a hundred bucks or so. Has anyone any
experience with these. I know there are a lot of different brands but
generally speaking what do you think?
Dave in Salem
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| Subject: | Re: CH601XL Brake Lines |
Tubing I recieved is marked FLEXIBLE NYLON TUBING 1/4" OD x .170" ID
MADE IN CANADA P062706GP, and fittings are brass.
----- Original Message -----
From: Hunt Malcolm
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:59 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: CH601XL Brake Lines
Can anyone advise the material that Zenith supply in the kits for
brake lines and are the fitting to the master cylinders/brake actuators
brass or nylon?
Malcolm Hunt
CH601XL Plans Builder in England
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Wacker" <ccwacker@hotmail.com>
Option
Chuck Wacker
N601CW, Quick Build
>From: "robert stone" <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
>To: "Zenith List" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Trim tabs
>Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:57:57 -0500
>
>Netters.
> This message is for those of you who are building the ZodiacXL from
>the standard kit. I would like to know if the left or right wing trim
>system including the tab, moter, wiring, up & down switch is furnished as a
>part of the kit or is this an option available for more money.
>
>Bob Stone
_________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: CH601XL Brake Lines |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
If you go to Aircraft SPRUCE, IT IS CALL nYLOFLEX lines, and you can use any fitting
that can handle the required pressure.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Robin Bellach <601zv@ritternet.com>
>Sent: Oct 26, 2006 11:51 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH601XL Brake Lines
>
>Tubing I recieved is marked FLEXIBLE NYLON TUBING 1/4" OD x .170" ID MADE IN
CANADA P062706GP, and fittings are brass.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hunt Malcolm
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:59 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: CH601XL Brake Lines
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Can anyone advise the material that Zenith supply in the kits for brake lines
and are the fitting to the master cylinders/brake actuators brass or nylon?
>
>
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> Malcolm Hunt
>
> CH601XL Plans Builder in England
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> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Accident Investigation Results |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
One thing my grandfather showed us when they had a flight line of planes, was he
would always ground the plane, whether with a notice on a board or even putting
a lock on the prop, with a note listing the items that needed to be checked
prior to putting the plane flight ready. This crash shows that as a pilot,
we need the displine to ground ourselves until the craft we are charged with is
flyable. It looks at first blush like parts were removed, and then at flight
time they were forgetfull that the parts were missing. I have already acted
upon lessons learned with this acccident that truly sounded preventable.
Do not archive
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-----Original Message-----
>From: Zodie Rocket <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
>Sent: Oct 26, 2006 10:51 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Accident Investigation Results
>
>Yes there has been some speculation as to that crash and the fact that
>bolts were purchased just before the flight from Home depot ( not
>confirmed). What is confirmed is that the owner neglected to install
>nuts on the rear spar bolts(confirmed) The bolts were thought to have
>departed the spar well into the flight and the adding of flaps was what
>folded the wing . It is as we suspected and talked about. Is there a
>lesson to be learned from this, No you already should have learned to
>pre-flight your plane and if you remove any structure you double check
>everything then have someone else check it. I feel bad for the pilot and
>families sometimes it is hard to calm the eagerness before a flight.
>
>Mark Townsend
>Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
>HYPERLINK
>"mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com
>HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:28 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Accident Investigation Results
>
>Dear Thread Friends, I want to refresh your memory a bit. You all do
>recall the 601XL (N105RH) that crashed in Oakedale California last 8
>February? Two fellows, in pattern, wings folded back, crash-both fatal?
>I checked NTSB and could not find any finding as to cause. It's been 8
>months. Shouldn't there be some findings about what caused the crash by
>now? Maybe I missed it somewhere. Does anyone know of a cause report
>somewhere? Best regards, Bill of Georgia
>601XL-3300
>N505WP
>93 great hours
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Accident Investigation Results |
Mark, where did you collect this information about the bolts? Has this been
officially posted as causation? Because we all pretty much concluded something
similar back in February, Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Accident Investigation Results |
Inside info, the official announcement will follow at some time but the
manufacturer is notified first.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Accident Investigation Results
Mark, where did you collect this information about the bolts? Has this
been officially posted as causation? Because we all pretty much
concluded something similar back in February, Best regards, Bill of
Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: CH601XL Brake Lines |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" <stol10@comcast.net>
I just recived a couple of extra brass fittings from Matco. The prices are cheap.......Geoff
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| Subject: | Re: sheet metal brake |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" <stol10@comcast.net>
Must be that excellent rivet gun you have. Or is it still working?
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| Subject: | Re: 601 seat belt attachment history. |
Message: #41685
From: "Chuck Deiterich" <cffd(at)pgrb.com>
Subject: Re: 701 seat belt attach-Zenith fix
Date: Oct 01, 2006
John,
Here is a comment I made previously.
When I built my 701, I did not feel comfortable with the aluminum seat
belt attachment that was riveted to the tunnel. In fact, somewhere 4
or 5 years ago, on this forum, I read where the bolt between the seat
belt and the aluminum attachment pulled a slot through the attachment.
So I made my attachment from 0.40" 4130 steel instead of 0.40" 6061
aluminum. I then used the 0.40" 6061 as a doubler on the inside of the
tunnel to give more thickness to keep the rivets from pulling through. I
did not ask ZAC about this, but I feel that this is a stronger anchor
which actually gets pulled by both the lap and shoulder straps.
Chuck D.
N701TX
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----- Original Message -----
From: Afterfxllc@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:53 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 seat belt attachment history.
I saw the PIC of the seat belt attach that failed after a roll over...
That said it was the point in front of where the bolt goes thru that
failed. It was more a ripping due to the forward pull. The bracket
itself did not detach. Keep in mind that the builder could have drilled
the holes closer to the edge than was called for in the plans making the
area in front of the bolt too thin. I have already installed the
original brackets and was simply going to either make a doubler for the
bracket or drill the hole further back thus giving me more material in
front of the hole.
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| Subject: | EAA 774 Bald Eagle Day |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt Stecher" <mrcc1234@sbcglobal.net>
Passing on some news.
EAA Chapter 774 out of Brookshire TX at Sport Flyers (27XS) is having their
Bald Eagle Day on the 28th (this Saturday) it should be lots of fun.
Are any fellow zenith pilots or birds planning on being there?
Take care,
Matt
XL Tail and Corvair
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| Subject: | About Zodiac's weight |
Hi Folks:
How many pounds does a Zodiac XL 601 weigh, once it is already finished
and equipped with avionics and painted? Next week I'm going to have it
weighed.
My plane will be heavier than its equivalents, in virtue of the metal
sheets used on the skins. Where I had to use aluminum 0,016", I used
0,020" instead, to make it easy to work with flush rivets.
www.airfox.com.br
Best regards,
Roberto Brito
Zodiac XL 601 - Plans
Jabiru - 3300 - Enigma -
Brazil
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| Subject: | Re: Culver Props/ Valley Eng 701 VW engine firewall forward |
p
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kemter" <kemter@msn.com>
I talked with Larry Smith's daughter via email today to see if they had any performance
numbers yet with the Culver Prop/Valley Eng. package. Excerpts are below.
Those of you who have been shunning VW powered 701s may want to take another
look. Rotax and Jaburi look out...
PIREP from Marshall Arbo in Idaho:
" The plane gets off the ground before I can get the throttle all the way in. Approx
30 feet on a 90 degree day and altitude of 2320'. It has a climb rate of
approx 1400 ft/min from 2320 to 5000ft and that is as high as I've been. I only
have about 5 hours to-date on the plane. "
>From Larry Smith:
" He had a gravity fuel system, so when he really got to testing it he climbed
at such an angle that he starved his engine for fuel and it died on him, we sent
him an electric fuel pump and he has been doing fine ever since."
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| Subject: | Re: sheet metal brake |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
> Dave, if your going to bend L brackets its very
> easy to just bend them in a vise with a form block
> that has a 1/8 radius. After forming the meatal over
> the block finish it with a pair vise grips with two
> bars glued or welded to the grips. There's always
> a way to make parts without spending an enormouse
> amount of money. RJS Do not archive
--- Dave Ruddiman <pacificpainting@comcast.net> wrote:
> I know this subject has been brought up before, and
> I looked back in the archives to check it out, but
> I'm thinking about getting a 48" brake for bending
> some brackets, some L metal strips and just
> generally light stuff. I don't want to build one.
> I'm already building an airplane. Looks like they
> are around a hundred bucks or so. Has anyone any
> experience with these. I know there are a lot of
> different brands but generally speaking what do you
> think?
>
> Dave in Salem
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| Subject: | Re: sheet metal brake |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
I suppose you are right.
----- Original Message -----
From: "ROBERT SCEPPA" <rjscep@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: sheet metal brake
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
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>> Dave, if your going to bend L brackets its very
>> easy to just bend them in a vise with a form block
>> that has a 1/8 radius. After forming the meatal over
>> the block finish it with a pair vise grips with two
>> bars glued or welded to the grips. There's always
>> a way to make parts without spending an enormouse
>> amount of money. RJS Do not archive
> --- Dave Ruddiman <pacificpainting@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I know this subject has been brought up before, and
>> I looked back in the archives to check it out, but
>> I'm thinking about getting a 48" brake for bending
>> some brackets, some L metal strips and just
>> generally light stuff. I don't want to build one.
>> I'm already building an airplane. Looks like they
>> are around a hundred bucks or so. Has anyone any
>> experience with these. I know there are a lot of
>> different brands but generally speaking what do you
>> think?
>>
>> Dave in Salem
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Roberto,
I'd like to guess that your aircraft as it's fitted out will be the far
side of 750 lbs. The aluminum won't have added so much,
but everything else inclusive, I can see more than just a slightly
heavier 601. Very interested in what you arrive at.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
Roberto Ap. Rodrigues de Brito wrote:
> Hi Folks:
>
> How many pounds does a Zodiac XL 601 weigh, once it is already
> finished and equipped with avionics and painted? Next week I'm going
> to have it weighed.
> My plane will be heavier than its equivalents, in virtue of the metal
> sheets used on the skins. Where I had to use aluminum 0,016", I used
> 0,020" instead, to make it easy to work with flush rivets.
>
> www.airfox.com.br <http://www.airfox.com.br>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Roberto Brito
> Zodiac XL 601 - Plans
> Jabiru - 3300 - Enigma -
> Brazil
>
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The manufacturer is the builder of the plane,,,, not Zenith.. You must k
now the original builder.
do not archive
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N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
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president@can-zacaviation.com
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Mark, where did you collect this information about the bolts? Has this b
een officially posted as causation? Because we all pretty much concluded
something similar back in February, Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: sheet metal brake |
Hi Dave,
I bought one of the really cheap bending brakes (18" I think) from
Harbor Freight. It worked OK but was not easy to use because of the
way the clamping bar had to be held down with vice grips or
C-clamps. I got a nicer one from Grizzley (24") and had to make
several modifications to get it to work at all. It includes a
clamping mechanism (toggle clamps) but they needed to be cut off the
main section to work at all since they were so poorly aligned.
I also added a piece cut from a 1/4 inch aluminum extrusion which had
the 1/8" radius already built into the edge to the clamping
bar.. This is needed to form most of the parts on Zenith designs
since they call for that radius on all bends. Both small brakes I
bought were not designed to include any radius in the bends.
I rely on ZAC for bends over 24". Oddly enough, I have found that
most of the parts I wanted to replace were actually small enough to
bend on the 24" brake. There doesn't seem to be many between the 24"
limit and the huge bends in spar parts.
Have fun,
Paul
XL fuselage
At 08:17 AM 10/26/2006, you wrote:
>I know this subject has been brought up before, and I looked back in
>the archives to check it out, but I'm thinking about getting a 48"
>brake for bending some brackets, some L metal strips and just
>generally light stuff. I don't want to build one. I'm already
>building an airplane. Looks like they are around a hundred bucks or
>so. Has anyone any experience with these. I know there are a lot of
>different brands but generally speaking what do you think?
>
>Dave in Salem
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| Subject: | Re: About Zodiac's weight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
According to a few articles, they caution that 601 xls should weight between 720-
and 800 Lbs. various periodicals caution buyers purchasing one used, to second
look a 601 if the weight exceeds 800 lbs. The lighter the plane, the more
usefull load. Simple math shows a max wieght 1320lbs, with two people at
180 average pluss 180 lbs (30 gal) of fuel, leaves you with a 780 Lbs plane dry
weight.
Juan Vega
601 xl builder Tampa FLA
-----Original Message-----
>From: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
>Sent: Oct 26, 2006 7:52 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: About Zodiac's weight
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
>
>Roberto,
>I'd like to guess that your aircraft as it's fitted out will be the far
>side of 750 lbs. The aluminum won't have added so much,
>but everything else inclusive, I can see more than just a slightly
>heavier 601. Very interested in what you arrive at.
>
>Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>do not archive
>
>Roberto Ap. Rodrigues de Brito wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks:
>>
>> How many pounds does a Zodiac XL 601 weigh, once it is already
>> finished and equipped with avionics and painted? Next week I'm going
>> to have it weighed.
>> My plane will be heavier than its equivalents, in virtue of the metal
>> sheets used on the skins. Where I had to use aluminum 0,016", I used
>> 0,020" instead, to make it easy to work with flush rivets.
>>
>> www.airfox.com.br <http://www.airfox.com.br>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Roberto Brito
>> Zodiac XL 601 - Plans
>> Jabiru - 3300 - Enigma -
>> Brazil
>>
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>>
>>
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>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: About Zodiac's weight |
Roberto ,At any weight that is the best looking 601 I've ever seen. The
BEST..... hats off to you and your crew . Joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: Roberto Ap. Rodrigues de Brito
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 5:44 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: About Zodiac's weight
Hi Folks:
How many pounds does a Zodiac XL 601 weigh, once it is already
finished and equipped with avionics and painted? Next week I'm going to
have it weighed.
My plane will be heavier than its equivalents, in virtue of the metal
sheets used on the skins. Where I had to use aluminum 0,016", I used
0,020" instead, to make it easy to work with flush rivets.
www.airfox.com.br
Best regards,
Roberto Brito
Zodiac XL 601 - Plans
Jabiru - 3300 - Enigma -
Brazil
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| Subject: | Bending small brackets, etc |
I bend clips,brackets and short lengths of angle over a piece of 1/2"
aluminum plate. The edge of the plate is filed to the appropriate radius
and undercut to a 100 degree angle. I mark the bend line on the
workpiece, then hold the workpiece in place on the plate using a couple
of pieces of masking tape. The bend line is in line with the edge of
the radius on the plate. Then I clamp it in the vise with a piece of 3/4
inch plywood backing up the workpiece. For longer pieces I use an extra
clamp or two to keep everything snug. To form the bend, two or three
passes with a rubber mallet does the job.
Pieces longer than a foot or so sometimes end up a bit curved, because
the sheet tends to creep a little against the plate as it is being
formed. Folding-type brakes sometimes have this same problem. Making
the bend on a wider piece of stock, then trimming the flange to
dimension cures this. I have made angles, zees and c-sections this way,
in thicknesses up to .032, with good results.
It's crude but cheap, and it doesn't take up any shop space.
George
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| Subject: | Sheet Metal Brake |
OK, OK,
You guys talked me out of it. I'll just do my bends with the stuff I
have and I'm sure they will be fine.
Once again I have been temporarily brought back to my senses. I wonder
how long it will last this time.
Thanks,
Dave in Salem - Bending the old fashioned way.
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| Subject: | Re: sheet metal brake |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
Dave,
You might want to ask around the local EAA chapter, I did and look what was loaned
to me:
Here is a picture of the 48" TennSmith attached:
I did wrap a couple pieces of .040 around the nose to get the radius I needed.
The are just two way taped in place.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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test
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Randy Stout - San Antonio TX
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