---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/26/06: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:32 AM - Trim tabs (robert stone) 2. 06:41 AM - Re: Trim tabs (crvsecretary@aol.com) 3. 07:10 AM - Re: Trim tabs (Robin Bellach) 4. 07:29 AM - Accident Investigation Results (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 5. 07:43 AM - Re: Trim tabs (Zodie Rocket) 6. 07:52 AM - Re: Accident Investigation Results (Zodie Rocket) 7. 08:00 AM - CH601XL Brake Lines (Hunt Malcolm) 8. 08:20 AM - sheet metal brake (Dave Ruddiman) 9. 08:52 AM - Re: CH601XL Brake Lines (Robin Bellach) 10. 09:15 AM - Re: Trim tabs (Charles Wacker) 11. 09:48 AM - Re: CH601XL Brake Lines (Juan Vega) 12. 09:55 AM - Re: Accident Investigation Results (Juan Vega) 13. 09:56 AM - Re: Accident Investigation Results (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 14. 10:28 AM - Re: Accident Investigation Results (Zodie Rocket) 15. 10:52 AM - Re: CH601XL Brake Lines (Geoff Heap) 16. 12:54 PM - Re: sheet metal brake (Geoff Heap) 17. 01:45 PM - Re: 601 seat belt attachment history. (Chuck Deiterich) 18. 03:28 PM - EAA 774 Bald Eagle Day (Matt Stecher) 19. 03:45 PM - About Zodiac's weight (Roberto Ap. Rodrigues de Brito) 20. 03:58 PM - Re: Culver Props/ Valley Eng 701 VW engine firewall forward p (Kemter) 21. 04:23 PM - Re: sheet metal brake (ROBERT SCEPPA) 22. 04:48 PM - Re: sheet metal brake (Dave Ruddiman) 23. 04:53 PM - Re: About Zodiac's weight (LarryMcFarland) 24. 05:40 PM - Re: Accident Investigation Results (n801bh@netzero.com) 25. 05:51 PM - Re: sheet metal brake (Paul Mulwitz) 26. 06:40 PM - Re: About Zodiac's weight (Juan Vega) 27. 06:51 PM - Re: About Zodiac's weight (Southern Reflections) 28. 07:00 PM - Bending small brackets, etc (George Swinford) 29. 07:28 PM - Sheet Metal Brake (Dave Ruddiman) 30. 07:28 PM - Re: sheet metal brake (Ron Lendon) 31. 11:51 PM - Test Please delete (Randy Stout) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:06 AM PST US From: "robert stone" Subject: Zenith-List: Trim tabs Netters. This message is for those of you who are building the ZodiacXL from the standard kit. I would like to know if the left or right wing trim system including the tab, moter, wiring, up & down switch is furnished as a part of the kit or is this an option available for more money. Bob Stone ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:01 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Trim tabs From: crvsecretary@aol.com Hello Bob: You need the aileron trim tab kit http://www.zenithair.com/kit-data/trim.html I do not believe it is furnished with the Quick-build kit; it was extra cost when I purchased my standard kit. Tracy Smith 601XL N458XL (reserved) working on wings do not archive -----Original Message----- From: rstone4@hot.rr.com Sent: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:57 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Trim tabs Netters. This message is for those of you who are building the ZodiacXL from the standard kit. I would like to know if the left or right wing trim system including the tab, moter, wiring, up & down switch is furnished as a part of the kit or is this an option available for more money. Bob Stone ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:59 AM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Trim tabs It's an option at additional cost. Per ZAC web site: AILERON TRIM TAB KIT $330 Recessed tab located in the left aileron. Electric motor actuation, with push-button control and position indicator. ----- Original Message ----- From: robert stone To: Zenith List Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 9:57 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Trim tabs Netters. This message is for those of you who are building the ZodiacXL from the standard kit. I would like to know if the left or right wing trim system including the tab, moter, wiring, up & down switch is furnished as a part of the kit or is this an option available for more money. Bob Stone ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:23 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Accident Investigation Results Dear Thread Friends, I want to refresh your memory a bit. You all do recall the 601XL (N105RH) that crashed in Oakedale California last 8 February? Two fellows, in pattern, wings folded back, crash-both fatal? I checked NTSB and could not find any finding as to cause. It's been 8 months. Shouldn't there be some findings about what caused the crash by now? Maybe I missed it somewhere. Does anyone know of a cause report somewhere? Best regards, Bill of Georgia 601XL-3300 N505WP 93 great hours ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:52 AM PST US From: "Zodie Rocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Trim tabs Hi Bob, the standard kit comes with the electric elevator trim kit as a standard feature. The aileron trim kit is an option and it is one in which I highly recommend. I would also recommend a stick grip from Ray Allen Company to control both axis of trim. This is not necessary but it is a nice add on for your plane. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. HYPERLINK "mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert stone Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:58 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Trim tabs Netters. This message is for those of you who are building the ZodiacXL from the standard kit. I would like to know if the left or right wing trim system including the tab, moter, wiring, up & down switch is furnished as a part of the kit or is this an option available for more money. Bob Stone "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Zenith-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribu tion -- 10/26/2006 -- 10/26/2006 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:15 AM PST US From: "Zodie Rocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Accident Investigation Results Yes there has been some speculation as to that crash and the fact that bolts were purchased just before the flight from Home depot ( not confirmed). What is confirmed is that the owner neglected to install nuts on the rear spar bolts(confirmed) The bolts were thought to have departed the spar well into the flight and the adding of flaps was what folded the wing . It is as we suspected and talked about. Is there a lesson to be learned from this, No you already should have learned to pre-flight your plane and if you remove any structure you double check everything then have someone else check it. I feel bad for the pilot and families sometimes it is hard to calm the eagerness before a flight. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. HYPERLINK "mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:28 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Accident Investigation Results Dear Thread Friends, I want to refresh your memory a bit. You all do recall the 601XL (N105RH) that crashed in Oakedale California last 8 February? Two fellows, in pattern, wings folded back, crash-both fatal? I checked NTSB and could not find any finding as to cause. It's been 8 months. Shouldn't there be some findings about what caused the crash by now? Maybe I missed it somewhere. Does anyone know of a cause report somewhere? Best regards, Bill of Georgia 601XL-3300 N505WP 93 great hours "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Zenith-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribu tion -- 10/26/2006 -- 10/26/2006 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:05 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: CH601XL Brake Lines From: "Hunt Malcolm" Help! Can anyone advise the material that Zenith supply in the kits for brake lines and are the fitting to the master cylinders/brake actuators brass or nylon? Thanks in advance Malcolm Hunt CH601XL Plans Builder in England Do not archive *************************************************************************** ************************************ The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. 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I'm already building an airplane. Looks like they are around a hundred bucks or so. Has anyone any experience with these. I know there are a lot of different brands but generally speaking what do you think? Dave in Salem ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:46 AM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH601XL Brake Lines Tubing I recieved is marked FLEXIBLE NYLON TUBING 1/4" OD x .170" ID MADE IN CANADA P062706GP, and fittings are brass. ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt Malcolm To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:59 AM Subject: Zenith-List: CH601XL Brake Lines Can anyone advise the material that Zenith supply in the kits for brake lines and are the fitting to the master cylinders/brake actuators brass or nylon? Malcolm Hunt CH601XL Plans Builder in England Do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:44 AM PST US From: "Charles Wacker" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Trim tabs --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Wacker" Option Chuck Wacker N601CW, Quick Build >From: "robert stone" >To: "Zenith List" >Subject: Zenith-List: Trim tabs >Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:57:57 -0500 > >Netters. > This message is for those of you who are building the ZodiacXL from >the standard kit. I would like to know if the left or right wing trim >system including the tab, moter, wiring, up & down switch is furnished as a >part of the kit or is this an option available for more money. > >Bob Stone _________________________________________________________________ Live Search! ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:36 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH601XL Brake Lines --> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega If you go to Aircraft SPRUCE, IT IS CALL nYLOFLEX lines, and you can use any fitting that can handle the required pressure. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Robin Bellach <601zv@ritternet.com> >Sent: Oct 26, 2006 11:51 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH601XL Brake Lines > >Tubing I recieved is marked FLEXIBLE NYLON TUBING 1/4" OD x .170" ID MADE IN CANADA P062706GP, and fittings are brass. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Hunt Malcolm > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:59 AM > Subject: Zenith-List: CH601XL Brake Lines > > > > > > > Can anyone advise the material that Zenith supply in the kits for brake lines and are the fitting to the master cylinders/brake actuators brass or nylon? > > > > > Malcolm Hunt > > CH601XL Plans Builder in England > > > > Do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:42 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Accident Investigation Results --> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega One thing my grandfather showed us when they had a flight line of planes, was he would always ground the plane, whether with a notice on a board or even putting a lock on the prop, with a note listing the items that needed to be checked prior to putting the plane flight ready. This crash shows that as a pilot, we need the displine to ground ourselves until the craft we are charged with is flyable. It looks at first blush like parts were removed, and then at flight time they were forgetfull that the parts were missing. I have already acted upon lessons learned with this acccident that truly sounded preventable. Do not archive Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Zodie Rocket >Sent: Oct 26, 2006 10:51 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Accident Investigation Results > >Yes there has been some speculation as to that crash and the fact that >bolts were purchased just before the flight from Home depot ( not >confirmed). What is confirmed is that the owner neglected to install >nuts on the rear spar bolts(confirmed) The bolts were thought to have >departed the spar well into the flight and the adding of flaps was what >folded the wing . It is as we suspected and talked about. Is there a >lesson to be learned from this, No you already should have learned to >pre-flight your plane and if you remove any structure you double check >everything then have someone else check it. I feel bad for the pilot and >families sometimes it is hard to calm the eagerness before a flight. > >Mark Townsend >Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. >HYPERLINK >"mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com >HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >JAPhillipsGA@aol.com >Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:28 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Accident Investigation Results > >Dear Thread Friends, I want to refresh your memory a bit. You all do >recall the 601XL (N105RH) that crashed in Oakedale California last 8 >February? Two fellows, in pattern, wings folded back, crash-both fatal? >I checked NTSB and could not find any finding as to cause. It's been 8 >months. Shouldn't there be some findings about what caused the crash by >now? Maybe I missed it somewhere. Does anyone know of a cause report >somewhere? Best regards, Bill of Georgia >601XL-3300 >N505WP >93 great hours > > >"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"http://www.matronics.com >/Navigator?Zenith-List >"http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com >"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribu >tion > > >-- >10/26/2006 > >-- >10/26/2006 > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:22 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Accident Investigation Results Mark, where did you collect this information about the bolts? Has this been officially posted as causation? Because we all pretty much concluded something similar back in February, Best regards, Bill of Georgia do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:18 AM PST US From: "Zodie Rocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Accident Investigation Results Inside info, the official announcement will follow at some time but the manufacturer is notified first. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. HYPERLINK "mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:55 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Accident Investigation Results Mark, where did you collect this information about the bolts? Has this been officially posted as causation? Because we all pretty much concluded something similar back in February, Best regards, Bill of Georgia do not archive "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Zenith-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribu tion -- 10/26/2006 -- 10/26/2006 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:38 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: CH601XL Brake Lines From: "Geoff Heap" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" I just recived a couple of extra brass fittings from Matco. The prices are cheap.......Geoff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70376#70376 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:24 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: sheet metal brake From: "Geoff Heap" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" Must be that excellent rivet gun you have. Or is it still working? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70403#70403 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:01 PM PST US From: "Chuck Deiterich" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 seat belt attachment history. Message: #41685 From: "Chuck Deiterich" Subject: Re: 701 seat belt attach-Zenith fix Date: Oct 01, 2006 John, Here is a comment I made previously. When I built my 701, I did not feel comfortable with the aluminum seat belt attachment that was riveted to the tunnel. In fact, somewhere 4 or 5 years ago, on this forum, I read where the bolt between the seat belt and the aluminum attachment pulled a slot through the attachment. So I made my attachment from 0.40" 4130 steel instead of 0.40" 6061 aluminum. I then used the 0.40" 6061 as a doubler on the inside of the tunnel to give more thickness to keep the rivets from pulling through. I did not ask ZAC about this, but I feel that this is a stronger anchor which actually gets pulled by both the lap and shoulder straps. Chuck D. N701TX do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Afterfxllc@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:53 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 seat belt attachment history. I saw the PIC of the seat belt attach that failed after a roll over... That said it was the point in front of where the bolt goes thru that failed. It was more a ripping due to the forward pull. The bracket itself did not detach. Keep in mind that the builder could have drilled the holes closer to the edge than was called for in the plans making the area in front of the bolt too thin. I have already installed the original brackets and was simply going to either make a doubler for the bracket or drill the hole further back thus giving me more material in front of the hole. do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:28:25 PM PST US From: "Matt Stecher" Subject: Zenith-List: EAA 774 Bald Eagle Day --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt Stecher" Passing on some news. EAA Chapter 774 out of Brookshire TX at Sport Flyers (27XS) is having their Bald Eagle Day on the 28th (this Saturday) it should be lots of fun. Are any fellow zenith pilots or birds planning on being there? Take care, Matt XL Tail and Corvair ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:15 PM PST US From: "Roberto Ap. Rodrigues de Brito" Subject: Zenith-List: About Zodiac's weight Hi Folks: How many pounds does a Zodiac XL 601 weigh, once it is already finished and equipped with avionics and painted? Next week I'm going to have it weighed. My plane will be heavier than its equivalents, in virtue of the metal sheets used on the skins. Where I had to use aluminum 0,016", I used 0,020" instead, to make it easy to work with flush rivets. www.airfox.com.br Best regards, Roberto Brito Zodiac XL 601 - Plans Jabiru - 3300 - Enigma - Brazil ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:16 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Culver Props/ Valley Eng 701 VW engine firewall forward p From: "Kemter" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kemter" I talked with Larry Smith's daughter via email today to see if they had any performance numbers yet with the Culver Prop/Valley Eng. package. Excerpts are below. Those of you who have been shunning VW powered 701s may want to take another look. Rotax and Jaburi look out... PIREP from Marshall Arbo in Idaho: " The plane gets off the ground before I can get the throttle all the way in. Approx 30 feet on a 90 degree day and altitude of 2320'. It has a climb rate of approx 1400 ft/min from 2320 to 5000ft and that is as high as I've been. I only have about 5 hours to-date on the plane. " >From Larry Smith: " He had a gravity fuel system, so when he really got to testing it he climbed at such an angle that he starved his engine for fuel and it died on him, we sent him an electric fuel pump and he has been doing fine ever since." Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70443#70443 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:21 PM PST US From: ROBERT SCEPPA Subject: Re: Zenith-List: sheet metal brake --> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA > Dave, if your going to bend L brackets its very > easy to just bend them in a vise with a form block > that has a 1/8 radius. After forming the meatal over > the block finish it with a pair vise grips with two > bars glued or welded to the grips. There's always > a way to make parts without spending an enormouse > amount of money. RJS Do not archive --- Dave Ruddiman wrote: > I know this subject has been brought up before, and > I looked back in the archives to check it out, but > I'm thinking about getting a 48" brake for bending > some brackets, some L metal strips and just > generally light stuff. I don't want to build one. > I'm already building an airplane. Looks like they > are around a hundred bucks or so. Has anyone any > experience with these. I know there are a lot of > different brands but generally speaking what do you > think? > > Dave in Salem __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:17 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: sheet metal brake --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" I suppose you are right. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT SCEPPA" Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 4:22 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: sheet metal brake > --> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA > >> Dave, if your going to bend L brackets its very >> easy to just bend them in a vise with a form block >> that has a 1/8 radius. After forming the meatal over >> the block finish it with a pair vise grips with two >> bars glued or welded to the grips. There's always >> a way to make parts without spending an enormouse >> amount of money. RJS Do not archive > --- Dave Ruddiman wrote: > >> I know this subject has been brought up before, and >> I looked back in the archives to check it out, but >> I'm thinking about getting a 48" brake for bending >> some brackets, some L metal strips and just >> generally light stuff. I don't want to build one. >> I'm already building an airplane. Looks like they >> are around a hundred bucks or so. Has anyone any >> experience with these. I know there are a lot of >> different brands but generally speaking what do you >> think? >> >> Dave in Salem > > > __________________________________________________ > > > -- > 10/26/2006 > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:53:15 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: About Zodiac's weight --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland Roberto, I'd like to guess that your aircraft as it's fitted out will be the far side of 750 lbs. The aluminum won't have added so much, but everything else inclusive, I can see more than just a slightly heavier 601. Very interested in what you arrive at. Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive Roberto Ap. Rodrigues de Brito wrote: > Hi Folks: > > How many pounds does a Zodiac XL 601 weigh, once it is already > finished and equipped with avionics and painted? Next week I'm going > to have it weighed. > My plane will be heavier than its equivalents, in virtue of the metal > sheets used on the skins. Where I had to use aluminum 0,016", I used > 0,020" instead, to make it easy to work with flush rivets. > > www.airfox.com.br > > > > Best regards, > > Roberto Brito > Zodiac XL 601 - Plans > Jabiru - 3300 - Enigma - > Brazil > >* > > >* > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:32 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Accident Investigation Results The manufacturer is the builder of the plane,,,, not Zenith.. You must k now the original builder. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Zodie Rocket" wrote: Inside info, the official announcement will follow at some time but the manufacturer is notified first. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. president@can-zacaviation.com www.can-zacaviation.com do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-s erver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:55 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Accident Investigation Results Mark, where did you collect this information about the bolts? Has this b een officially posted as causation? 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________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:20 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: sheet metal brake Hi Dave, I bought one of the really cheap bending brakes (18" I think) from Harbor Freight. It worked OK but was not easy to use because of the way the clamping bar had to be held down with vice grips or C-clamps. I got a nicer one from Grizzley (24") and had to make several modifications to get it to work at all. It includes a clamping mechanism (toggle clamps) but they needed to be cut off the main section to work at all since they were so poorly aligned. I also added a piece cut from a 1/4 inch aluminum extrusion which had the 1/8" radius already built into the edge to the clamping bar.. This is needed to form most of the parts on Zenith designs since they call for that radius on all bends. Both small brakes I bought were not designed to include any radius in the bends. I rely on ZAC for bends over 24". Oddly enough, I have found that most of the parts I wanted to replace were actually small enough to bend on the 24" brake. There doesn't seem to be many between the 24" limit and the huge bends in spar parts. Have fun, Paul XL fuselage At 08:17 AM 10/26/2006, you wrote: >I know this subject has been brought up before, and I looked back in >the archives to check it out, but I'm thinking about getting a 48" >brake for bending some brackets, some L metal strips and just >generally light stuff. I don't want to build one. I'm already >building an airplane. Looks like they are around a hundred bucks or >so. Has anyone any experience with these. I know there are a lot of >different brands but generally speaking what do you think? > >Dave in Salem --- ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:59 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: About Zodiac's weight --> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega According to a few articles, they caution that 601 xls should weight between 720- and 800 Lbs. various periodicals caution buyers purchasing one used, to second look a 601 if the weight exceeds 800 lbs. The lighter the plane, the more usefull load. Simple math shows a max wieght 1320lbs, with two people at 180 average pluss 180 lbs (30 gal) of fuel, leaves you with a 780 Lbs plane dry weight. Juan Vega 601 xl builder Tampa FLA -----Original Message----- >From: LarryMcFarland >Sent: Oct 26, 2006 7:52 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: About Zodiac's weight > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland > >Roberto, >I'd like to guess that your aircraft as it's fitted out will be the far >side of 750 lbs. The aluminum won't have added so much, >but everything else inclusive, I can see more than just a slightly >heavier 601. Very interested in what you arrive at. > >Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com >do not archive > >Roberto Ap. Rodrigues de Brito wrote: > >> Hi Folks: >> >> How many pounds does a Zodiac XL 601 weigh, once it is already >> finished and equipped with avionics and painted? Next week I'm going >> to have it weighed. >> My plane will be heavier than its equivalents, in virtue of the metal >> sheets used on the skins. Where I had to use aluminum 0,016", I used >> 0,020" instead, to make it easy to work with flush rivets. >> >> www.airfox.com.br >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Roberto Brito >> Zodiac XL 601 - Plans >> Jabiru - 3300 - Enigma - >> Brazil >> >>* >> >> >>* >> > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:36 PM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: About Zodiac's weight Roberto ,At any weight that is the best looking 601 I've ever seen. The BEST..... hats off to you and your crew . Joe N101HD ----- Original Message ----- From: Roberto Ap. Rodrigues de Brito To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: Zenith-List: About Zodiac's weight Hi Folks: How many pounds does a Zodiac XL 601 weigh, once it is already finished and equipped with avionics and painted? Next week I'm going to have it weighed. My plane will be heavier than its equivalents, in virtue of the metal sheets used on the skins. Where I had to use aluminum 0,016", I used 0,020" instead, to make it easy to work with flush rivets. www.airfox.com.br Best regards, Roberto Brito Zodiac XL 601 - Plans Jabiru - 3300 - Enigma - Brazil ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:01 PM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Zenith-List: Bending small brackets, etc I bend clips,brackets and short lengths of angle over a piece of 1/2" aluminum plate. The edge of the plate is filed to the appropriate radius and undercut to a 100 degree angle. I mark the bend line on the workpiece, then hold the workpiece in place on the plate using a couple of pieces of masking tape. The bend line is in line with the edge of the radius on the plate. Then I clamp it in the vise with a piece of 3/4 inch plywood backing up the workpiece. For longer pieces I use an extra clamp or two to keep everything snug. To form the bend, two or three passes with a rubber mallet does the job. Pieces longer than a foot or so sometimes end up a bit curved, because the sheet tends to creep a little against the plate as it is being formed. Folding-type brakes sometimes have this same problem. Making the bend on a wider piece of stock, then trimming the flange to dimension cures this. I have made angles, zees and c-sections this way, in thicknesses up to .032, with good results. It's crude but cheap, and it doesn't take up any shop space. George ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:00 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal Brake OK, OK, You guys talked me out of it. I'll just do my bends with the stuff I have and I'm sure they will be fine. Once again I have been temporarily brought back to my senses. I wonder how long it will last this time. Thanks, Dave in Salem - Bending the old fashioned way. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:03 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: sheet metal brake From: "Ron Lendon" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" Dave, You might want to ask around the local EAA chapter, I did and look what was loaned to me: Here is a picture of the 48" TennSmith attached: I did wrap a couple pieces of .040 around the nose to get the radius I needed. The are just two way taped in place. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70489#70489 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/leafbrake_150.jpeg ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 11:51:17 PM PST US From: "Randy Stout" Subject: Zenith-List: Test Please delete test do not archive Randy Stout - San Antonio TX CH601HD N282RS www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21