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1. 06:16 AM - Re: Sheet Metal Brake (Jean-Paul Roy)
2. 06:43 AM - Re: Dave's Sheet Metal Brake (Zed Smith)
3. 06:51 AM - Re: Test Please delete (robert stone)
4. 07:05 AM - New To The List (George Race)
5. 07:17 AM - Test please delete (Randy Stout)
6. 07:33 AM - Randy's Test (Zed Smith)
7. 07:38 AM - Re: Dave's Sheet Metal Brake (TxDave)
8. 07:47 AM - Re: Test please delete (Robin Bellach)
9. 08:09 AM - Re: New To The List (John Bolding)
10. 08:12 AM - Re: New To The List ()
11. 10:11 AM - Re: New To The List (NYTerminat@aol.com)
12. 10:18 AM - Re: New To The List (NYTerminat@aol.com)
13. 01:13 PM - TXN For Welcome (George Race)
14. 01:34 PM - Re: the test messages (Zed Smith)
15. 02:03 PM - Re: TXN For Welcome (John Bolding)
16. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: the test messages (Randy Stout)
17. 03:12 PM - Re: TXN For Welcome (georgerace)
18. 03:44 PM - Re: Was (TXN For Welcome) - now Tailwind Stick (Dan Luer)
19. 03:52 PM - Re: Randy's Test (Gary Gower)
20. 05:54 PM - Re: Randy's Test (Edward Moody II)
21. 07:04 PM - Re: New To The List Center stick, left handed. (Gary Gower)
22. 07:16 PM - Re: TXN For Welcome (Gary Gower)
23. 07:56 PM - Re: New To The List (JohnDRead@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Sheet Metal Brake |
Dave Clay from Temple, Texas came out with a very easy to make design.
It took me about 4 hours to put together. I actually have an 8 foot
brake with a nice 1/8 radius for under $100.00. Thanks to Dave.
It is published on the 601 web site.
http://www.ch601.org/tools/bendbrake/brakeplans.pdf
Hope this helps
Jean-Paul Roy
701, starting on wings
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Ruddiman
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:25 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal Brake
OK, OK,
You guys talked me out of it. I'll just do my bends with the stuff I
have and I'm sure they will be fine.
Once again I have been temporarily brought back to my senses. I wonder
how long it will last this time.
Thanks,
Dave in Salem - Bending the old fashioned way.
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's Sheet Metal Brake |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Good job, Dave!
Two questions: How much jewelry and other enticements are required to get the
wife to appear in the photos?
And, what color Scotch Brite pad is used for cleaning the rounded-off edge of the
steel angle?
Regards to all,
Zed/701/R912/90+%/etc/do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Test Please delete |
Randy,
If your test was to see if other members were receiving, it got
here OK.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Stout
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 1:56 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Test Please delete
test
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Randy Stout - San Antonio TX
CH601HD N282RS
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Race" <mykitairplane@mrrace.com>
Hi to all on the list:
I have been following the list for about a year. During this time I have
picked up a lot of help from all the postings. Thought it was about time I
"officially" joined the group.
I am building the CH-701 from a kit. I started with the tail in August of
last year. Currently I am building the right wing. The Fuselage, Tail, and
Controls are in place. It is setting on it's wheels and I mounted the
engine just last week. Incidentally, I choose to go with the Jabiru 2200 as
well as their Firewall Forward Kit. I choose the Jabiru for several
reasons. I liked the idea of air cooling rather than liquid. I like the
lower RPM's and not having a gear box between the prop and engine. I also
like the 2000 Hour TBO figure. Also the overall cost was a bit lower than
the Rotax setup. Last spring and summer I built my hanger/workshop here at
my home. I have the first cut made on a 550 foot runway, 24/6 which works
well with the winds in this area. I think, in the past two years, I have
collected or seen every picture there is about building the 701. I am
concerned about getting used to the central "Y" stick. Getting used to a
swap of my yoke and throttle hands does give me some concern. Maybe someone
out there can set me at ease on this one. Would consider dual sticks if I
could find something that looked really good. I know there are a couple out
there that have been successful, but so far I have not seen anything I want
to do. Also my FWF kit did not come with a carb heater system. It is shown
as part of the 601 FWF kit but did not come with the 701 kit that I
purchased. Incidentally, all the components that I got were market for the
601 so I really don't understand why no carb heat stuff was included. So
anyway, am looking for a great design for carb heat that may be out there.
I have emailed several of the list participants off the list and gotten some
great ideas from their comments and construction pictures.
If you would like to see my hanger project as well as the 701 project you
can see both at:
http://www.mykitairplane.com I look forward to chatting with you all on
the list.
George Race - Albion, MI
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Test
Sorry, all my email just seems to disappear as soon as I send it.
Do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Randy,
You must have corrected something. For the last several days your Zenith stuff
has shown up in my "known spam" box. Looks like you did whatever it was that
you did to correct the problem.
Regards,
Zed
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's Sheet Metal Brake |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "TxDave" <dclaytx2@hotmail.com>
I'm a lucky man, Zed. The wife loves to travel and feels an airplane would increase
our range during those occaisional 3 day weekends. If I'm not out building
in the workshop/garage she thinks there's something wrong with me.
do not archive
Dave Clay
Temple, Tx
601XL Plans builder
http://www.daves601xl.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70562#70562
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
This one shows up fine
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 9:21 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Test please delete
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
>
>
> Test
>
> Sorry, all my email just seems to disappear as soon as I send it.
>
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: New To The List |
George, Welcome to the group as a poster. Lots of good stuff here.
ALL my previous airplanes (RV, Glasair, 180, Pacer, Seabee, Lake)have
been flown with the left hand and throttle in the right EXCEPT my
current one which is a Champ, after a hundred hours I'm getting
comfortable with it but my 701 will have a version of the Tailwinds
stick, basically an extension of the Y that comes over the right leg and
down in the center, might make it removable. I even thought of flying
from the right seat which is still an option. I'm left handed so maybe
that's why I still have trouble flying with the "wrong" hand.
LOW&SLOW John Bolding
-----
I have been following the list for about a year. During this time I
have
picked up a lot of help from all the postings. Thought it was about
time I
"officially" joined the group.
I am concerned about getting used to the central "Y" stick. Getting
used to a
swap of my yoke and throttle hands does give me some concern. Maybe
someone
out there can set me at ease on this one. Would consider dual sticks
if I
could find something that looked really good. I know there are a
couple out
there that have been successful, but so far I have not seen anything I
want
to do.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Welcome George,
When I learned to fly, back in the dyas of the dinosaurs, I flew with my left
hand on the C-150 yoke and my right on the throttle. Later, when I built my
first plane (an ultralight) I switched to right hand on stick, left hand on throttle.
When I finish my 601XL (dual sticks and single center throttle), I will
switch back to left hand on stick, right hand on throttle. So far I have had
no problems or insecurities about these transitions (I'm not ambidextrous or
anything like that) so I don't see why you should lose any sleep over it.
Ed Moody II
Rayne, LA
601XL/Jabiru/cabin area
PS: I have an Excalibur flying friend near Blanchard, MI. Are you anywhere near
there?
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| Subject: | Re: New To The List |
George,
Welcome officially to the list. It looks like you are progressing well on
your plane. I have built a similar hanger (same color) and have a 1300 ft strip
on my property. I have a 701 with a 912S engine. I recommend that with a 550
ft strip that you do your flight testing a local airport until you get used
to the plane. I came from flying high performance planes and it took a while
to get used to the slow flying and the attitudes of the 701. The 550 ft is
doable without obstructions but doesn't leave any wiggle room. If you are going
to paint your plane I would recommend doing it before doing the final
assembly and test flying. I did and don't regret it.
Best of luck and welcome
Bob Spudis
N701ZX/CH701/912S/85hrs
In a message dated 10/27/2006 10:06:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mykitairplane@mrrace.com writes:
http://www.mykitairplane.com
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| Subject: | Re: New To The List |
George
I forgot to mention that it did not take long to get used to the Y stick or
the opposite hand for stick and throttle. When on longer flights I rest my
wrist in between the Y while flying.
Robert Spudis
N701ZX
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Race" <mykitairplane@mrrace.com>
Thanks so much for all the comments from the group.
I've already gotten a couple of suggestions and comments that are greatly
appreciated.
One of you mentioned the Tailwind Stick. I am not at all familiar with that
and wonder where I might find a picture or description to look at. Searched
Google but nothing came up.
And to the comments about the short 550 foot runway. I definitely will be
taking the plane to our local airport, KJXN, for the early testing. Have a
friend with hanger room for final assembly and testing. Feel confident that
once I get used to the plane all it will take is a bunch of grass strip
practice to get into a small strip. Have a nice 1500 foot grass strip just
a couple of miles North East of the Jackson Airport. Will be a great place
to practice short field landing.
Again, thanks for all the kind comments, both on and off of the list.
George - N73EX next summer I hope!
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| Subject: | Re: the test messages |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
I don't know where the glitch is.......
Robert Stone's reply that he got the test message showed up in my "known spam"
box. All his previous posts were okay (in the "in box").
Is there some filter at Matronics doing this, or possibly my Earthlink provider
jumps on some phrase in the message?
You internet gurus might shed light on this.
Problem only started very recently, and I certainly didn't make any changes on
this end.
If I understood the original reason for Randy's test was because his stuff wasn't
making it to the Zenith bulletin board.
I'd hate to miss anything about ScotchBrite pads.
Regards to all,
Zed
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: TXN For Welcome |
No sketch but a description should get you on the track. The Tailwind
had a central stick as Steve was rabid about weight and simplicity , I
guess he was like some of us in that he liked flying with his left hand,
the central stick basically had a "T" on top extending to each side to a
point directly in the center of both pilot and copilot, from there it
dropped down vetically several inches forming the grip,in the same place
it would be if it came up from the floor. Easy to make it removable or
at least foldable for easy entry. Mine will probably fit into the
standard "Y" with a pip pin so it's easy to remove and replace. John
From: George Race
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 3:10 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: TXN For Welcome
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Race"
<mykitairplane@mrrace.com>
Thanks so much for all the comments from the group.
I've already gotten a couple of suggestions and comments that are
greatly
appreciated.
One of you mentioned the Tailwind Stick. I am not at all familiar
with that
and wonder where I might find a picture or description to look at.
Searched
Google but nothing came up.
And to the comments about the short 550 foot runway. I definitely
will be
taking the plane to our local airport, KJXN, for the early testing.
Have a
friend with hanger room for final assembly and testing. Feel
confident that
once I get used to the plane all it will take is a bunch of grass
strip
practice to get into a small strip. Have a nice 1500 foot grass strip
just
a couple of miles North East of the Jackson Airport. Will be a great
place
to practice short field landing.
Again, thanks for all the kind comments, both on and off of the list.
George - N73EX next summer I hope!
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| Subject: | Re: the test messages |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
My messages wasn't making it to anyone. I would send a message, it would go
into my Outbox, then to the Sent box, but never received on the other end.
It seemed to have something to do with Earthlink's Total Access software.
I've removed it and switched back to Outlook. Now everything seems to work
again.
Randy Stout
San Antonio TX
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
n282rs at earthlink.net
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
I don't know where the glitch is.......
Robert Stone's reply that he got the test message showed up in my "known
spam" box. All his previous posts were okay (in the "in box").
Is there some filter at Matronics doing this, or possibly my Earthlink
provider jumps on some phrase in the message?
You internet gurus might shed light on this.
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| Subject: | Re: TXN For Welcome |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "georgerace" <mykitairplane@mrrace.com>
Thanks John, very good information.
Never considered a "top down" approach. I will mock something up and see how it
feels.
George - Building N73EX
--------
Check out my CH-701 project at:
http://www.mykitairplane.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70616#70616
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| Subject: | Re: Was (TXN For Welcome) - now Tailwind Stick |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dan Luer <dluer2002@yahoo.com>
John,
Tailwind stick is a Slick Idea -- Useable with a
center throttle or still have to have side throttles?
I guess it depends on the plane and height of center
stick -- 701?
Thanks for the info and update.
Dan
--- John Bolding <jnbolding1@teleshare.net> wrote:
> No sketch but a description should get you on the
> track. The Tailwind had a central stick as Steve was
> rabid about weight and simplicity , I guess he was
> like some of us in that he liked flying with his
> left hand, the central stick basically had a "T" on
> top extending to each side to a point directly in
> the center of both pilot and copilot, from there it
> dropped down vetically several inches forming the
> grip,in the same place it would be if it came up
> from the floor. Easy to make it removable or at
> least foldable for easy entry. Mine will probably
> fit into the standard "Y" with a pip pin so it's
> easy to remove and replace. John
>
>
> From: George Race
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 3:10 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: TXN For Welcome
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Race"
> <mykitairplane@mrrace.com>
>
> Thanks so much for all the comments from the
> group.
>
> I've already gotten a couple of suggestions and
> comments that are greatly
> appreciated.
>
> One of you mentioned the Tailwind Stick. I am not
> at all familiar with that
> and wonder where I might find a picture or
> description to look at. Searched
> Google but nothing came up.
>
> And to the comments about the short 550 foot
> runway. I definitely will be
> taking the plane to our local airport, KJXN, for
> the early testing. Have a
> friend with hanger room for final assembly and
> testing. Feel confident that
> once I get used to the plane all it will take is a
> bunch of grass strip
> practice to get into a small strip. Have a nice
> 1500 foot grass strip just
> a couple of miles North East of the Jackson
> Airport. Will be a great place
> to practice short field landing.
>
> Again, thanks for all the kind comments, both on
> and off of the list.
>
> George - N73EX next summer I hope!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Randy's Test |
Hello Randy,
I recieved one of your mails once as Spam some weeks ago,
Then I mark it as No Spam in my yahoo mail. Now I recieve them OK
Has to be something with your mail settings or your suplier.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Mexico.
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Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith
Randy,
You must have corrected something. For the last several days your Zenith stuff
has shown up in my "known spam" box. Looks like you did whatever it was that you
did to correct the problem.
Regards,
Zed
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| Subject: | Re: Randy's Test |
You guys have to quit using the Hormel website.... Makes all your email
look like Spam.
Ed
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Gower
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Randy's Test
Hello Randy,
I recieved one of your mails once as Spam some weeks ago,
Then I mark it as No Spam in my yahoo mail. Now I recieve them OK
Has to be something with your mail settings or your suplier.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Mexico.
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Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith
Randy,
You must have corrected something. For the last several days your
Zenith stuff has shown up in my "known spam" box. Looks like you did
whatever it was that you did to correct the problem.
Regards,
Zed
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| Subject: | Re: New To The List Center stick, left handed. |
I am lefthanded, my 701 has the normal center stick and I like it very much.
Is easy to take notes in the lap board and keep the hand in the stick and use
the PTT.
Got my training in a 152 (almost at the same time) and never noticed any diference.
What was more dificult in my case, was the transition with the feet. I used
to fly weight shift trikes and the ground steering is oposite.
Kind of fun watching my instructor face when I pushed the wrong pedal for a
fraction of a second.
Now is natural, havent flown a trike since I fly the 701, realy love it... So
go for it, is a very simple to built system, light and the plane is very easy
to fly. just a little practice will make you feel natural realy soon.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
John Bolding <jnbolding1@teleshare.net> wrote:
George, Welcome to the group as a poster. Lots of good stuff here.
ALL my previous airplanes (RV, Glasair, 180, Pacer, Seabee, Lake)have been flown
with the left hand and throttle in the right EXCEPT my current one which is
a Champ, after a hundred hours I'm getting comfortable with it but my 701 will
have a version of the Tailwinds stick, basically an extension of the Y that
comes over the right leg and down in the center, might make it removable. I
even thought of flying from the right seat which is still an option. I'm left
handed so maybe that's why I still have trouble flying with the "wrong" hand.
LOW&SLOW John Bolding
-----
I have been following the list for about a year. During this time I have
picked up a lot of help from all the postings. Thought it was about time I
"officially" joined the group.
I am concerned about getting used to the central "Y" stick. Getting used to
a
swap of my yoke and throttle hands does give me some concern. Maybe someone
out there can set me at ease on this one. Would consider dual sticks if I
could find something that looked really good. I know there are a couple out
there that have been successful, but so far I have not seen anything I want
to do.
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| Subject: | Re: TXN For Welcome |
Here are a couple of photos I found in a fast search, hope you can see the sticks
in each project, one is complete (both seats) and the other one is only
in the left seat.
Saludos
Gary Gower
John Bolding <jnbolding1@teleshare.net> wrote:
No sketch but a description should get you on the track. The Tailwind
had a central stick as Steve was rabid about weight and simplicity , I guess
he was like some of us in that he liked flying with his left hand, the central
stick basically had a "T" on top extending to each side to a point directly in
the center of both pilot and copilot, from there it dropped down vetically several
inches forming the grip,in the same place it would be if it came up from
the floor. Easy to make it removable or at least foldable for easy entry. Mine
will probably fit into the standard "Y" with a pip pin so it's easy to remove
and replace. John
From: George Race
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Thanks so much for all the comments from the group.
I've already gotten a couple of suggestions and comments that are greatly
appreciated.
One of you mentioned the Tailwind Stick. I am not at all familiar with that
and wonder where I might find a picture or description to look at. Searched
Google but nothing came up.
And to the comments about the short 550 foot runway. I definitely will be
taking the plane to our local airport, KJXN, for the early testing. Have a
friend with hanger room for final assembly and testing. Feel confident that
once I get used to the plane all it will take is a bunch of grass strip
practice to get into a small strip. Have a nice 1500 foot grass strip just
a couple of miles North East of the Jackson Airport. Will be a great place
to practice short field landing.
Again, thanks for all the kind comments, both on and off of the list.
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Hi George:
I too am building a 701, I have completed the tail group and
am about 75% done on the right wing. Regarding your question on the yoke. I
flew the factory 701 in February this year when I went to the rudder
workshop. The yoke had a very natural feel to it. If you can visit the factory
and
take a test flight I think you will be impressed with how well the 701 reacts.
Regards, John Read - working on a 701 in sunny - snowy- sunny Colorado
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