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1. 12:14 AM - Re: Fence (JOHN STARN)
2. 04:19 AM - Zenith 801 and 701 tail kit (PipercubDream@aol.com)
3. 05:03 AM - The Digest (Bob Gibfried)
4. 05:18 AM - Re: Fence (Carl Bertrand)
5. 05:18 AM - Re: Static RPM (Carl Bertrand)
6. 05:38 AM - Re: 701 Scratch vs Sub-Kits? (RClaggf4u@aol.com)
7. 06:06 AM - Top skin cut out for stab (Matt & Jo)
8. 06:08 AM - Re: 701 Scratch vs Sub-Kits? (Arthur Olechowski)
9. 06:21 AM - Re: Top skin cut out for stab (Edward Moody II)
10. 06:29 AM - Re: corner stabilizer skin rivet (Edward Moody II)
11. 06:36 AM - Re: Test Flight - crew? (Edward Moody II)
12. 06:36 AM - Re: Fence (Edward Moody II)
13. 06:42 AM - Re: Y stick vs. Duel stick (Edward Moody II)
14. 06:44 AM - Re: Top skin cut out for stab (ALAN BEYER)
15. 06:47 AM - Re: Re: Test Flight - crew? (Edward Moody II)
16. 06:53 AM - Re: Fence retraction (Edward Moody II)
17. 06:57 AM - Re: Fence retraction (Edward Moody II)
18. 07:46 AM - Re: Top skin cut out for stab (VideoFlyer@aol.com)
19. 08:13 AM - Re: Top skin cut out for stab (LarryMcFarland)
20. 08:19 AM - Re: Top skin cut out for stab (Edward Moody II)
21. 08:45 AM - Re: Fence retraction (Noel Loveys)
22. 09:03 AM - Re: Top skin cut out for stab (george may)
23. 09:22 AM - Re: Test Flight (Brian Briggerman)
24. 09:33 AM - Basic Battery Wiring (doug kandle)
25. 09:46 AM - Re: Test Flight (lgingell)
26. 09:48 AM - Re: Top skin cut out for stab (Jeff)
27. 10:02 AM - Re: Test Flight (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
28. 10:03 AM - Riding Lawn Mowers & Wing Covers?? (TYA2)
29. 10:15 AM - Re: The Digest (Matt Dralle)
30. 10:20 AM - Re: Top skin cut out for stab (Craig Payne)
31. 10:25 AM - Re: Top skin cut out for stab (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
32. 10:36 AM - Re: Riding Lawn Mowers & Wing Covers?? (Craig Payne)
33. 10:38 AM - Re: Riding Lawn Mowers & Wing Covers?? (Juan Vega)
34. 10:45 AM - Re: Basic Battery Wiring (Craig Payne)
35. 11:01 AM - Re: Top skin cut out for stab (Craig Payne)
36. 11:22 AM - CH2000 Engine Blanket & Wing Covers?? (TYA2)
37. 11:42 AM - Re: CH2000 Engine Blanket & Wing Covers?? (Juan Vega)
38. 11:44 AM - Re: CH2000 Engine Blanket & Wing Covers?? (Juan Vega)
39. 12:07 PM - Re: CH2000 Engine Blanket & Wing Covers?? (TYA2)
40. 12:54 PM - canopie sources (leinad)
41. 01:21 PM - Re: Top skin cut out for stab (Jeff)
42. 02:43 PM - Re: Basic Battery Wiring (Jim Hoak)
43. 03:13 PM - Re: CH2000 Engine Blanket & Wing Covers?? (Juan Vega)
44. 03:13 PM - Re: Basic Battery Wiring (Paul Mulwitz)
45. 03:47 PM - Re: canopie sources (N5SL)
46. 03:59 PM - Comcast Was Blocking Matronics Email Lists... (Matt Dralle)
47. 04:14 PM - Re: Basic Battery Wiring (Craig Payne)
48. 04:15 PM - Re: Basic Battery Wiring (doug kandle)
49. 04:26 PM - Re: Basic Battery Wiring (doug kandle)
50. 04:33 PM - Re: Fence retraction (Gary Boothe)
51. 04:57 PM - Re: Re: Basic Battery Wiring (Craig Payne)
52. 05:09 PM - Re: canopie sources (Juan Vega)
53. 05:46 PM - Re: 701 Scratch vs Sub-Kits? (Lynn Dingfelder)
54. 05:49 PM - Zenairs & Snow, (TYA2)
55. 06:09 PM - Re: Basic Battery Wiring (doug kandle)
56. 06:38 PM - Re: Re: Re: Basic Battery Wiring (Jim Hoak)
57. 07:11 PM - Re: Re: Basic Battery Wiring (Craig Payne)
58. 07:25 PM - Re: Basic Battery Wiring (doug kandle)
59. 07:43 PM - Re: Re: Basic Battery Wiring (Craig Payne)
60. 08:45 PM - Re: Re: Basic Battery Wiring (JOHN STARN)
61. 11:15 PM - Zenith 'Copter Training (Lynn Dingfelder)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
WARNING .........WARNING......Attempted humor alert, delete if humorous
exchanges offends ya'll.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "TxDave" <dclaytx2@hotmail.com>
>
What color Scotch-Brite do I use to clean the metal posts on my fence?
That depends on the material & shape of the posts. Round, galvinized
? Raw "hat" steel or painted green.
Also, I was thinking of installing a new engine on my riding lawnmower.
Is that new, rebuilt or does it come as a you assemble kit.
The grass near my fence needs mowing badly but I can't decide if I should go
with a Rotax 912 or a Corvair conversion.
Brand new from the manufacture might be a problem if you deside on a
Corvair. However I had a Turbo Spider back when & as our friend
from Tool Time would have said...Varooom. Many years ago I saw a Corvair
powered motorcycle with a sidecar. The owner was a movie actor that
had a "rubber" face & played in the "beach" movies of the 60's.
Please, don't shoot! Just a lame attempt at humor from an overworked and
underpaid old man.
They only shoot lane horses not old farts or I'd already be dead.
I love this forum.
Me too. KABONG (GBA & GWB) Do Not Archive 8*)
> do not archive
>
> Dave Clay
> Temple, TX
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| Subject: | Zenith 801 and 701 tail kit |
Hello,
I'm new to this list and am looking forward to learning from all of those out
there who have completed their own Zenith projects. At one time I had
considered building the 801 but because of the new LSA category have decided instead
to build the 701. If anyone is interested I have a complete 801 tail kit with
electric trim for sale or trade. Very little work was done on the rudder only
and is still in its original crate. I'm asking 1/2 the price of a new one or
would be willing to trade straight up for a similar 701 tail kit if someone
out there were considering an 801 instead.
Thanks,
Ben - Michigan
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After scanning through sixty eight messages on the digest, wouldn't it be
great to be able to click on the message number and jump to the message t
hat
interests you?
Got to be a way.
Bob, Wichita
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Bill
When I joined the RCAC 52 yrs ago we were told not to discuss religion,
politics and women in the officer's mess.
I must admit to having problems avoiding the third subject at times but
I believe it was generally good advice that should apply to this forum.
I must add that none of the 911 terorist came from Canada.
Do not archive
Carl
701/912
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Carl Bertrand" <cgbrt@mondenet.com>
Mike
4900 to 5100 is about what I get depending on conditions.
Carl
701/912
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Scratch vs Sub-Kits? |
Art,
Glad you decided on the 701. I just ordered nearly all the metal from Wicks
using the materials list you mentioned. I say nearly because there are a few
items on that material list that were missed or have changed. So far very
insignificant items.
My TOTAL cost Including freight was less than $2400.00. The rivets and a few
other items from ACS ran approx. $350.00. I think the kit is around $13,000.
I have brakes, instruments etc. from another project that I'll be using
which helped me decide to go the scratch built route and having been in the air
conditioning business 26 years I have about all the sheet metal tools I need
a also.
Don't get overwhelmed when you look at the drawings. Do one item at a time
and think before you cut [don't ask] and it will be a lot of fun! Thats what it
is about isn't it?
Wayne Clagg
Ch701 assembling wings.
Oh yea, do not archive
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| Subject: | Top skin cut out for stab |
I am working on the aft top skin and have made the cut out to accept the
stab. I am having trouble installing the stab with the skin in place.
At first I thought I might just be too tight on the skin and need to
open up my cutout in the top skin. To get the forward attachments of
the stab past the mounting plates on the fuselage I need more clearance
and need to be higher before they drop down into place. The only way I
see to remove the stab after I install the top skin is to either open up
the cut out (about 12mm) which leaves quite a gap or to drill out the
attach plate to the fuselage. If you like you can see this on my site.
http://www.zodiacxl.com/Top%20Skin.htm
Has anyone else ran into this problem?
Cheers
Matt
www.zodiacxl.com
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Scratch vs Sub-Kits? |
Thanks Paul & John your comments are appreciated, the decision is a tough one because
I enjoy the building and the flying equally. If I do go the sub-kit path,
I will take Paul's advise and not have the wing skins pre-drilled.
Art/701/1%/KS
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| Subject: | Re: Top skin cut out for stab |
Have you checked the archives? I think there were some photos links that
might help you work this out.
Ed Moody II
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt & Jo
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 8:05 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Top skin cut out for stab
I am working on the aft top skin and have made the cut out to accept
the stab. I am having trouble installing the stab with the skin in
place. At first I thought I might just be too tight on the skin and
need to open up my cutout in the top skin. To get the forward
attachments of the stab past the mounting plates on the fuselage I need
more clearance and need to be higher before they drop down into place.
The only way I see to remove the stab after I install the top skin is to
either open up the cut out (about 12mm) which leaves quite a gap or to
drill out the attach plate to the fuselage. If you like you can see
this on my site.
http://www.zodiacxl.com/Top%20Skin.htm
Has anyone else ran into this problem?
Cheers
Matt
www.zodiacxl.com
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| Subject: | Re: corner stabilizer skin rivet |
Doesn't look like a problem to me Dino. You might want to add in a
second rivet about half way to the next one inboard and the same thing
half way to the next rivet forward if it would make you feel more
secure.
In the future, you might adopt what the Titan Co. does. They use a
combination of an epoxy-like adhesive with pulled rivets in their
construction. If the assembly never has to be taken apart and the edge
distance won't work out for you, etch the mating surfaces (Alumaprep)
and add a bit of epoxy when rivetting.
Ed Moody II
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----- Original Message -----
From: Dino Bortolin
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 4:28 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: corner stabilizer skin rivet
Hello fellow builders,
I have a question about the rivet that is installed at the overlapping
area between the ends of the stabilizer spars and the end rib. The
construction manual shows a rivet at this spot (the circled one in the
attached picture). But, because of the bend radius of the end rib
flange, when the end rib is installed there can't be enough overlap
between the parts at this location to satisfy the edge distances. I have
14mm there on mine. How have other builders dealt with this?
Dino Bortolin
XL/Corvair - tail
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| Subject: | Re: Test Flight - crew? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
Seriously (for a change),
When I test fly my 601XL (sometime in this lifetime) I don't plan to wait 40
hours to calibrate my AOA system on the EFIS. That flight will require a
crew member in the right seat to get the calibration done. The rule is
pretty simple.... it's the interpretation that gets sticky. If you are not
stretching the rules just to carry a passenger before completing your test
flight hours, then I think you are covered. If you are playing fast and
loose with the rules, you are in violation.
Ed Moody II
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 5:42 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Test Flight - crew?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> Of course my 601XL requires two crew members - I have dual sticks! :-)
>
> -- Craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of george may
> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 4:54 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Test Flight - crew?
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
>
>
>> >But are you allowed to have crew?
>> >
>
> Carlos-
> I believe the rules specify that other crew can be on board if "they are
> part of a required crew". I do not think that covers the 601 or 701
>
> George May
> 601XL 912s
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
No one has mentioned whether money has been appropriated to corrosion proof
the fence.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 5:45 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fence
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> OK, let's discuss something non-controversial - like Y-stick vs. dual
> sticks
> :-)
>
> -- Craig
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Y stick vs. Duel stick |
Dang! I feel like I need to light a cigarette or take a shower or
something! Sure hope my plane feels that good someday.
Ed Moody II
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----- Original Message -----
From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Y stick vs. Duel stick
Yeah, nothing has the fine feel of that stick between your knees as
the speed picks up and you touch the rudder to keep her centered. Then
when the LRI says green a little back pressure and BANG your climbing
and still gaining speed. You push the stick forward a little to look
over the nose just to make sure some dammed fool isn't landing with the
wind and now the speed is climbing past 130. Just as the end of the
strip flashes past you see the altitude is climbing thru 800 ft so you
bank left to enter the pattern. Yes sir, the feel and control of the
duel stick makes every last and every next control input a sensual
pleasure. Flying with a Y stick in the center is like holding hands
with your sister.
Best regards, from Bill of Georgia
601XL-3300
N505WP
93 Great Hours
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| Subject: | Re: Top skin cut out for stab |
Hi Matt,=0A=0AI had posted these pics a couple of weeks back because some g
uys were having the same problem. I have a tight fit on mine and have no p
roblem installing the Stab. on my HDS. See pics .=0A=0AAl from Oshkosh=0A
=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Matt & Jo <archermj@swbell.net
>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 8:05:41
AM=0ASubject: Zenith-List: Top skin cut out for stab=0A=0A=0AI am working o
n the aft top skin and have made the cut out to accept the stab. I am havi
ng trouble installing the stab with the skin in place. At first I thought
I might just be too tight on the skin and need to open up my cutout in the
top skin. To get the forward attachments of the stab past the mounting pla
tes on the fuselage I need more clearance and need to be higher before they
drop down into place. The only way I see to remove the stab after I inst
all the top skin is to either open up the cut out (about 12mm) which leaves
quite a gap or to drill out the attach plate to the fuselage. If you like
you can see this on my site.=0A =0Ahttp://www.zodiacxl.com/Top%20Skin.htm
=0A =0AHas anyone else ran into this problem?=0A =0ACheers=0A=0AMatt=0Awww.
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| Subject: | Re: Test Flight - crew? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
Gig, I believe the rule is mission specific. If you document that the
particular mission of the flight (such as AOA calibration in my previous
example) requires a crew of two, then you are legal. Agreed, whenever that
mission is flown throughout the service life of the plane, two souls onboard
would be a legal requirement unless the experimental craft has been changed
(and documented) such that a solo pilot could handle it safely.
Ed
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 6:31 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Test Flight - crew?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
>
> If you document that the aircraft requires a crew of two you will never be
> able to fly it alone. Call the EAA or the FSDO.
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70791#70791
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fence retraction |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
I second that motion. Bring your building experiences to the forum and leave
the political baggage off-list. We all slip in some snappy asides that
expose our personal views to the list on occassion. On the other hand, using
the list to post purely political diatribes is not a good idea. Trust me on
this... I have enough opinions to piss off the entire membership.
Ed Moody II
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fence retraction
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
>
> Bill,
> Please don't take the remarks so hard. We need you and your airplane in
> this forum. We like the things you bring
> to the table. It makes life interesting and worth while. This is a help
> center for aircraft and the people that build them.
> I can't begin to satisfy all the views on other subjects in the
> Zenith-List because we have enough trouble with the problems
> of building. I apologize for sounding so terse, but this forum is the
> only place my mind finds the solace between friends and
> projects. Do stay with the group and finish the plane with us.
>
> Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
> do not archive
>
> Bill Naumuk wrote:
>
>> All-
>> My apologies for considering the international members of this list,
>> and forgetting to add "Do not archive" to my posting.
>> Over and out- permanently.
>> do not archive
>> Bill Naumuk
>> HDS Fuselage
>> Townville, Pa
>>
>>*
>>
>>*
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fence retraction |
Before anybody else thinks of it.....
Let's not start all this up on the list the next time someone uses the
flying expression "coming in over 'the FENCE' at 65 mph IAS" .
Something tells me that Scotchbrite just got company,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 4:09 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Fence retraction
All-
My apologies for considering the international members of this
list, and forgetting to add "Do not archive" to my posting.
Over and out- permanently.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Top skin cut out for stab |
I think a lot of us have wrestled with the problem you're facing. I have
opted to leave the front brackets UN-RIVETED until I do the final installation.
I remove the front brackets to install the horizontal stabilizer...and cleco
them on for now. It's the only way I could come up with to keep the gap small.
When I'm ready to do the final install, I'll rivet everything in place.
I think it would be a great idea to redesign the fiberglass rudder fairing
....and extend it all the way up to the rear bulkhead. The top rear skin could
extend about an inch or less past the bulkhead, and the fairing could slide
underneath it. Scratch builders might take note of this.
Dave Harms
601XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Top skin cut out for stab |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Matt,
I think we've all been there to one degree or another. I'd consider
extension of the fiberglass saddle to reach around the stab and
become a better point of attachment. It has to come off before removing
the stab anyway. I put my saddle under the skin and gained a little
there, but it butt up against the bulkhead. The extended saddle could
become a stab fuselage fairing as well.
Larry McFarland - 601hds at www.macsmachine.com
Matt & Jo wrote:
> I am working on the aft top skin and have made the cut out to accept
> the stab. I am having trouble installing the stab with the skin in
> place. At first I thought I might just be too tight on the skin and
> need to open up my cutout in the top skin. To get the forward
> attachments of the stab past the mounting plates on the fuselage I
> need more clearance and need to be higher before they drop down into
> place. The only way I see to remove the stab after I install the top
> skin is to either open up the cut out (about 12mm) which leaves quite
> a gap or to drill out the attach plate to the fuselage. If you like
> you can see this on my site.
>
> http://www.zodiacxl.com/Top%20Skin.htm
>
> Has anyone else ran into this problem?
>
> Cheers
>
> Matt
> www.zodiacxl.com <http://www.zodiacxl.com>
>
>*
>
>*
>
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| Subject: | Re: Top skin cut out for stab |
I am seriously considering two such options.... one would be to cut the
rear top skin as you described and add fibeglass to the rudder fairing
(lay on more glass cloth etc.) to reach that point. The other is to cut
the rear top skin as described and add a piece of .016 or .020 aluminum
permanently rivetted to the rudder fairing to reach the skin. With my
scant fiberglass skills, I will likely extend the fairing with light
aluminum.
Ed Moody II
----- Original Message -----
From: VideoFlyer@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Top skin cut out for stab
I think a lot of us have wrestled with the problem you're facing. I
have opted to leave the front brackets UN-RIVETED until I do the final
installation. I remove the front brackets to install the horizontal
stabilizer...and cleco them on for now. It's the only way I could come
up with to keep the gap small. When I'm ready to do the final install,
I'll rivet everything in place.
I think it would be a great idea to redesign the fiberglass rudder
fairing ....and extend it all the way up to the rear bulkhead. The top
rear skin could extend about an inch or less past the bulkhead, and the
fairing could slide underneath it. Scratch builders might take note of
this.
Dave Harms
601XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Fence retraction |
What colour Scotchbrite was that ;-)
Noel
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Edward
Moody II
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fence retraction
Before anybody else thinks of it.....
Let's not start all this up on the list the next time someone uses the
flying expression "coming in over 'the FENCE' at 65 mph IAS" .
Something tells me that Scotchbrite just got company,
Ed
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| Subject: | Top skin cut out for stab |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
Matt-
This is a problem area on the XL as many have described in the past. I
personally spent a couple of days just trying to get the fit right and had
substantial difficulty reinserting the stab. I had to continuously use duct
tape on the stab to avoid scratching the stab. After all that effort, I
ended up having to recut the fuse area to readjust the stab after the first
flight. I think the real fix is to make the opening in the fuse skin such
that everything fits easily and lay up a new fiberglass saddle that covers
the wider opening and lays on top of the fuse. I'll be doing that to mine.
George May
601XL 912s
>From: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Top skin cut out for stab
>Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 08:05:41 -0600
>
>I am working on the aft top skin and have made the cut out to accept the
>stab. I am having trouble installing the stab with the skin in place. At
>first I thought I might just be too tight on the skin and need to open up
>my cutout in the top skin. To get the forward attachments of the stab past
>the mounting plates on the fuselage I need more clearance and need to be
>higher before they drop down into place. The only way I see to remove the
>stab after I install the top skin is to either open up the cut out (about
>12mm) which leaves quite a gap or to drill out the attach plate to the
>fuselage. If you like you can see this on my site.
>
>http://www.zodiacxl.com/Top%20Skin.htm
>
>Has anyone else ran into this problem?
>
>Cheers
>
>Matt
>www.zodiacxl.com
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I am in the same boat on first flight. I am working with an EAA Flight
Advisor to complete the EAA's Flight Advisor Program which gives you a
plan from an experienced pilot. My insurance requires it. I am also
looking for a way to get the 3 hours in Make and Model required by the
insurance. The operator in Arizona has been out of service all Summer
due to a canopy mishap so I have not got that done yet. It is hard to
find a test pilot to do your first flight that will meet the insurance
companies rules. Also get FAA Advisory circular AC 90-89A. It's a must
for first flight and the phase one flight test time.
Don't give up. It takes a lot more time to prepare for the first flight
than it does to do the flight.
Brian Briggerman
N601AZ
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| Subject: | Basic Battery Wiring |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "doug kandle" <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
I have attached a picture of what I plan to do to wire my battery power in my 701.
This is kind of the way that my Cessna is wired. Is this similar to what
others are doing?
Specifically- is the battery relay required? It seems like a good idea.
My battery is behind the seat (where ZAC recommends) and I plan to put the solenoid
there too.
I only have the built in alternator in the Rotax, so no additional alternator (30A
max).
This plane will only be used for day, VFR, ground always in sight flying. So I'm
not too worried if all of my electrical fails. I'm not going to worry about
two-point failures (electrical and coolant for example).
Do any of you see any problems with this setup?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70921#70921
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/701powerwiring_739.jpg
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lgingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Brad,
(I may have told you most of this before, but...)
I had about an hour in the demo XL (mexico) and a few hours in an HDS before my
first flight. I went through the same thing. I was at around 100 hours, so not
terribly experienced.
I flew several types in the week before my first flight (high wing, low wing, fast
homebuilt), and a couple of flights *right* before I took the zodiac up.
By the time I got in the Zodiac, I felt very 'adaptable'...but it turned out so
easy to fly that I think I had a harder time flying the other airplanes the week
before.
However, I had done extensive taxi test lifting wings, nose wheel etc. to verify
all the controls and authority. ..and I had lots of pairs of qualified eyes
look over the airplane.
It was an amazing experience. I'm glad I did it, but I would have been fine if
I didn't. I'd never of taken risks for the sake of saying 'I flew it first'.
Cheers,
..lance
http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
--------
Zodiac XL/Jab 3300
http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70923#70923
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| Subject: | Top skin cut out for stab |
_____
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt & Jo
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 9:06 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Top skin cut out for stab
I am working on the aft top skin and have made the cut out to accept the
stab. I am having trouble installing the stab with the skin in place.
<snip>
Can someone please explain why a lot of builders are fighting this battle
with the rear top skin? I have the horizontal stab bolted into place along
with the rudder. With the top skins off, I have been able to put in the
control cables, electrical conduit, etc. from the top with no problem. To
work on the canopy, I simply clecoed the middle top skin in place. Then I
removed it afterwards to move on to the electrical system. I'm leaving the
rear top skin for one of the very last things to rivet. Why put it on
before? After the plane is finished, taking the stab off will just require
removing the rudder first if removing it becomes necessary for some reason.
What am I missing?
Jeff Davidson
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Well, Brian, just you call the airlines and get you a ticket over here to
Georgia and we can fly us some XL hours. Let me know at least 30 minutes before
arrival so I can sober up and we're off. Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Riding Lawn Mowers & Wing Covers?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
Anyone out there in Zenith land(s) got a source for wing covers and cowl
blankets? 6 inches of partly cloudy? is covering everything up
here. Still waiting for my new canopy cover from California from
Bruces. I received lots of input from others recommending other sources
but with so few CH2000s out there, I went with the factory
recommendation. Glad we went flying Friday afternoon because the weather
looks like it will suck for the next 6 months. Sure wish I was boon
docking in a Rialta motor home in the Arizona desert in 100 degrees waiting
for the Rotorway factory to open in the morning. We won't be spending
any money on Avgas today even though the price dropped 15 cents a litre in
the last week.
humor is good especially when the weather sucks as bad as it does here today.
12:13 AM 10/29/2006 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
>
>WARNING .........WARNING......Attempted humor alert, delete if humorous
>exchanges offends ya'll.
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "TxDave" <dclaytx2@hotmail.com>
>What color Scotch-Brite do I use to clean the metal posts on my fence?
> That depends on the material & shape of the posts. Round,
> galvinized ? Raw "hat" steel or painted green.
>
>Also, I was thinking of installing a new engine on my riding lawnmower.
> Is that new, rebuilt or does it come as a you assemble kit.
>
>The grass near my fence needs mowing badly but I can't decide if I should
>go with a Rotax 912 or a Corvair conversion.
> Brand new from the manufacture might be a problem if you deside on
> a Corvair. However I had a Turbo Spider back when & as our
> friend from Tool Time would have said...Varooom. Many years ago I saw a
> Corvair powered motorcycle with a sidecar. The owner was a movie
> actor that had a "rubber" face & played in the "beach" movies of
> the 60's.
>
>Please, don't shoot! Just a lame attempt at humor from an overworked and
>underpaid old man.
> They only shoot lane horses not old farts or I'd already be dead.
>
>I love this forum.
> Me too. KABONG (GBA & GWB) Do Not Archive 8*)
>
>>do not archive
>>
>>Dave Clay
>>Temple, TX
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
At 05:02 AM 10/29/2006 Sunday, you wrote:
>After scanning through sixty eight messages on the digest, wouldn't it be great
to be able to click on the message number and jump to the message that interests
you?
>
>Got to be a way.
>
>Bob, Wichita
As a matter of fact, there is! At the top of each daily digest message, there
are two web links - one to a Text version of that day's digest, and another to
an HTML version of the same.
If you click on the HTML version, you will find that the at the top there is the
same listing of the day's subjects and that they are hyperlinks to the respective
messages.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
List Admin
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| Subject: | Top skin cut out for stab |
Some have the problem and some don't. I do and I asked Zenith (among others)
about it. Here is what Nick at Zenith said:
"You are right, on the Zodiac, the stabilizer cannot be removed without
removing one of the HT attachment brackets 6B1-9 or 6B1-8. That attached
photos is what one builder did to modify the aft cutout in the rear top skin
6B21-5."
Craig again - I've attached the photos Nick sent (1.jpg, 2.jpg, 3.jpg) and
some others.
I'm not sure why some have the problem while others don't. But I think the
responses that simply say "there is no problem because I don't have one and
here are the photos to prove it" are amusing but pointless.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Top skin cut out for stab |
Ed, remember weight in the rear is bad. Even a little bit, times the length
of the fuselage, can really change CG and limits. Bill
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| Subject: | Riding Lawn Mowers & Wing Covers?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
For what its worth Reiff says their cowling covers are better. Their
reasoning sounds convincing.
www.reiffpreheat.com/Covers.htm
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TYA2
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 11:03 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Riding Lawn Mowers & Wing Covers??
--> Zenith-List message posted by: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
Anyone out there in Zenith land(s) got a source for wing covers and cowl
blankets? 6 inches of partly cloudy? is covering everything up
here. Still waiting for my new canopy cover from California from
Bruces. I received lots of input from others recommending other sources but
with so few CH2000s out there, I went with the factory
recommendation. Glad we went flying Friday afternoon because the weather
looks like it will suck for the next 6 months. Sure wish I was boon
docking in a Rialta motor home in the Arizona desert in 100 degrees waiting
for the Rotorway factory to open in the morning. We won't be spending
any money on Avgas today even though the price dropped 15 cents a litre in
the last week.
humor is good especially when the weather sucks as bad as it does here
today.
12:13 AM 10/29/2006 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
>
>WARNING .........WARNING......Attempted humor alert, delete if humorous
>exchanges offends ya'll.
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "TxDave" <dclaytx2@hotmail.com>
>What color Scotch-Brite do I use to clean the metal posts on my fence?
> That depends on the material & shape of the posts. Round,
>galvinized ? Raw "hat" steel or painted green.
>
>Also, I was thinking of installing a new engine on my riding lawnmower.
> Is that new, rebuilt or does it come as a you assemble kit.
>
>The grass near my fence needs mowing badly but I can't decide if I
>should go with a Rotax 912 or a Corvair conversion.
> Brand new from the manufacture might be a problem if you deside on
> a Corvair. However I had a Turbo Spider back when & as our
> friend from Tool Time would have said...Varooom. Many years ago I saw a
> Corvair powered motorcycle with a sidecar. The owner was a movie
> actor that had a "rubber" face & played in the "beach" movies of
> the 60's.
>
>Please, don't shoot! Just a lame attempt at humor from an overworked
>and underpaid old man.
> They only shoot lane horses not old farts or I'd already be dead.
>
>I love this forum.
> Me too. KABONG (GBA & GWB) Do Not Archive 8*)
>
>>do not archive
>>
>>Dave Clay
>>Temple, TX
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Riding Lawn Mowers & Wing Covers?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Check out Bruces' Custom Covers, 989 E california Avenue, Sunnyvale CA 94085
www. aircraftcovers.com
408-738-3959
I am ordering the following cover- canopy cover, part no. z601-000
and the wing covers are part no. z601-300
body cover is part no, z601-400
each are around $350.00 each.
Juan Vega
601 xl 3300 Tampa, FLA
-----Original Message-----
>From: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
>Sent: Oct 29, 2006 1:02 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Riding Lawn Mowers & Wing Covers??
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
>
>Anyone out there in Zenith land(s) got a source for wing covers and cowl
>blankets? 6 inches of partly cloudy? is covering everything up
>here. Still waiting for my new canopy cover from California from
>Bruces. I received lots of input from others recommending other sources
>but with so few CH2000s out there, I went with the factory
>recommendation. Glad we went flying Friday afternoon because the weather
>looks like it will suck for the next 6 months. Sure wish I was boon
>docking in a Rialta motor home in the Arizona desert in 100 degrees waiting
>for the Rotorway factory to open in the morning. We won't be spending
>any money on Avgas today even though the price dropped 15 cents a litre in
>the last week.
>
>humor is good especially when the weather sucks as bad as it does here today.
>
>
>12:13 AM 10/29/2006 -0700, you wrote:
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
>>
>>WARNING .........WARNING......Attempted humor alert, delete if humorous
>>exchanges offends ya'll.
>>
>>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "TxDave" <dclaytx2@hotmail.com>
>>What color Scotch-Brite do I use to clean the metal posts on my fence?
>> That depends on the material & shape of the posts. Round,
>> galvinized ? Raw "hat" steel or painted green.
>>
>>Also, I was thinking of installing a new engine on my riding lawnmower.
>> Is that new, rebuilt or does it come as a you assemble kit.
>>
>>The grass near my fence needs mowing badly but I can't decide if I should
>>go with a Rotax 912 or a Corvair conversion.
>> Brand new from the manufacture might be a problem if you deside on
>> a Corvair. However I had a Turbo Spider back when & as our
>> friend from Tool Time would have said...Varooom. Many years ago I saw a
>> Corvair powered motorcycle with a sidecar. The owner was a movie
>> actor that had a "rubber" face & played in the "beach" movies of
>> the 60's.
>>
>>Please, don't shoot! Just a lame attempt at humor from an overworked and
>>underpaid old man.
>> They only shoot lane horses not old farts or I'd already be dead.
>>
>>I love this forum.
>> Me too. KABONG (GBA & GWB) Do Not Archive 8*)
>>
>>>do not archive
>>>
>>>Dave Clay
>>>Temple, TX
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Basic Battery Wiring |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
If you haven't already you might ask this on the AeroElectric list. And buy
Bob Nuckolls' book.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Top skin cut out for stab |
The problem is not the rudder. The problem is that the cut-outs in the top
rear skin are elliptical segments, not circular. To remove the stab after
the skins are riveted in place you have to rotate the rear edge of the stab
up to allow the mounting brackets on the stab to clear the brackets on the
fuse. The next time you have your rear skin clecoed in place try removing
the stab. You may observe the problem. Many say there is no problem but
others (including Nick at the factory) agree there is a problem. I've
attached a photo from the photo assembly CD that seems to indicate that the
rear mounting plates should not be riveted in place until the final mounting
of the stab (\extras\Images\construction photos\mvc-865f.jpg).
-- Craig
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| Subject: | CH2000 Engine Blanket & Wing Covers?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
Dear Juan and All,
Anyone have any idea what CH2000 wing template corresponds to in the rest
of the CH series is it a 200, 250, 300, or what model of 600 or 601
series? I ordered my Canopy (windshield and door) cover from Bruces and I
think the price was roughly $350 US.
Reg
At 01:36 PM 10/29/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>
>Check out Bruces' Custom Covers, 989 E california Avenue, Sunnyvale CA 94085
>
>www. aircraftcovers.com
>408-738-3959
>
>I am ordering the following cover- canopy cover, part no. z601-000
> and the wing covers are part no. z601-300
>body cover is part no, z601-400
>
>each are around $350.00 each.
>
>
>Juan Vega
>601 xl 3300 Tampa, FLA
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
> >From: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
> >Sent: Oct 29, 2006 1:02 PM
> >To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Zenith-List: Riding Lawn Mowers & Wing Covers??
> >
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
> >
> >Anyone out there in Zenith land(s) got a source for wing covers and cowl
> >blankets? 6 inches of partly cloudy? is covering everything up
> >here. Still waiting for my new canopy cover from California from
> >Bruces. I received lots of input from others recommending other sources
> >but with so few CH2000s out there, I went with the factory
> >recommendation. Glad we went flying Friday afternoon because the weather
> >looks like it will suck for the next 6 months. Sure wish I was boon
> >docking in a Rialta motor home in the Arizona desert in 100 degrees waiting
> >for the Rotorway factory to open in the morning. We won't be spending
> >any money on Avgas today even though the price dropped 15 cents a litre in
> >the last week.
> >
> >humor is good especially when the weather sucks as bad as it does here
> today.
> >
> >
> >12:13 AM 10/29/2006 -0700, you wrote:
> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
> >>
> >>WARNING .........WARNING......Attempted humor alert, delete if humorous
> >>exchanges offends ya'll.
> >>
> >>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "TxDave" <dclaytx2@hotmail.com>
> >>What color Scotch-Brite do I use to clean the metal posts on my fence?
> >> That depends on the material & shape of the posts. Round,
> >> galvinized ? Raw "hat" steel or painted green.
> >>
> >>Also, I was thinking of installing a new engine on my riding lawnmower.
> >> Is that new, rebuilt or does it come as a you assemble kit.
> >>
> >>The grass near my fence needs mowing badly but I can't decide if I should
> >>go with a Rotax 912 or a Corvair conversion.
> >> Brand new from the manufacture might be a problem if you deside on
> >> a Corvair. However I had a Turbo Spider back when & as our
> >> friend from Tool Time would have said...Varooom. Many years ago I saw a
> >> Corvair powered motorcycle with a sidecar. The owner was a movie
> >> actor that had a "rubber" face & played in the "beach" movies of
> >> the 60's.
> >>
> >>Please, don't shoot! Just a lame attempt at humor from an overworked and
> >>underpaid old man.
> >> They only shoot lane horses not old farts or I'd already be dead.
> >>
> >>I love this forum.
> >> Me too. KABONG (GBA & GWB) Do Not Archive 8*)
> >>
> >>>do not archive
> >>>
> >>>Dave Clay
> >>>Temple, TX
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: CH2000 Engine Blanket & Wing Covers?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Call Bruces' and they have the dimensions.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
>Sent: Oct 29, 2006 2:20 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: CH2000 Engine Blanket & Wing Covers??
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
>
>Dear Juan and All,
>
>Anyone have any idea what CH2000 wing template corresponds to in the rest
>of the CH series is it a 200, 250, 300, or what model of 600 or 601
>series? I ordered my Canopy (windshield and door) cover from Bruces and I
>think the price was roughly $350 US.
>
>Reg
>
>
>At 01:36 PM 10/29/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>>
>>Check out Bruces' Custom Covers, 989 E california Avenue, Sunnyvale CA 94085
>>
>>www. aircraftcovers.com
>>408-738-3959
>>
>>I am ordering the following cover- canopy cover, part no. z601-000
>> and the wing covers are part no. z601-300
>>body cover is part no, z601-400
>>
>>each are around $350.00 each.
>>
>>
>>Juan Vega
>>601 xl 3300 Tampa, FLA
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>> >From: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
>> >Sent: Oct 29, 2006 1:02 PM
>> >To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>> >Subject: Zenith-List: Riding Lawn Mowers & Wing Covers??
>> >
>> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
>> >
>> >Anyone out there in Zenith land(s) got a source for wing covers and cowl
>> >blankets? 6 inches of partly cloudy? is covering everything up
>> >here. Still waiting for my new canopy cover from California from
>> >Bruces. I received lots of input from others recommending other sources
>> >but with so few CH2000s out there, I went with the factory
>> >recommendation. Glad we went flying Friday afternoon because the weather
>> >looks like it will suck for the next 6 months. Sure wish I was boon
>> >docking in a Rialta motor home in the Arizona desert in 100 degrees waiting
>> >for the Rotorway factory to open in the morning. We won't be spending
>> >any money on Avgas today even though the price dropped 15 cents a litre in
>> >the last week.
>> >
>> >humor is good especially when the weather sucks as bad as it does here
>> today.
>> >
>> >
>> >12:13 AM 10/29/2006 -0700, you wrote:
>> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
>> >>
>> >>WARNING .........WARNING......Attempted humor alert, delete if humorous
>> >>exchanges offends ya'll.
>> >>
>> >>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "TxDave" <dclaytx2@hotmail.com>
>> >>What color Scotch-Brite do I use to clean the metal posts on my fence?
>> >> That depends on the material & shape of the posts. Round,
>> >> galvinized ? Raw "hat" steel or painted green.
>> >>
>> >>Also, I was thinking of installing a new engine on my riding lawnmower.
>> >> Is that new, rebuilt or does it come as a you assemble kit.
>> >>
>> >>The grass near my fence needs mowing badly but I can't decide if I should
>> >>go with a Rotax 912 or a Corvair conversion.
>> >> Brand new from the manufacture might be a problem if you deside on
>> >> a Corvair. However I had a Turbo Spider back when & as our
>> >> friend from Tool Time would have said...Varooom. Many years ago I saw a
>> >> Corvair powered motorcycle with a sidecar. The owner was a movie
>> >> actor that had a "rubber" face & played in the "beach" movies of
>> >> the 60's.
>> >>
>> >>Please, don't shoot! Just a lame attempt at humor from an overworked and
>> >>underpaid old man.
>> >> They only shoot lane horses not old farts or I'd already be dead.
>> >>
>> >>I love this forum.
>> >> Me too. KABONG (GBA & GWB) Do Not Archive 8*)
>> >>
>> >>>do not archive
>> >>>
>> >>>Dave Clay
>> >>>Temple, TX
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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| Subject: | Re: CH2000 Engine Blanket & Wing Covers?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Dude,
sounds like you have one day of summer up there.
Where are you?
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
>Sent: Oct 29, 2006 2:20 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: CH2000 Engine Blanket & Wing Covers??
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
>
>Dear Juan and All,
>
>Anyone have any idea what CH2000 wing template corresponds to in the rest
>of the CH series is it a 200, 250, 300, or what model of 600 or 601
>series? I ordered my Canopy (windshield and door) cover from Bruces and I
>think the price was roughly $350 US.
>
>Reg
>
>
>At 01:36 PM 10/29/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>>
>>Check out Bruces' Custom Covers, 989 E california Avenue, Sunnyvale CA 94085
>>
>>www. aircraftcovers.com
>>408-738-3959
>>
>>I am ordering the following cover- canopy cover, part no. z601-000
>> and the wing covers are part no. z601-300
>>body cover is part no, z601-400
>>
>>each are around $350.00 each.
>>
>>
>>Juan Vega
>>601 xl 3300 Tampa, FLA
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>> >From: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
>> >Sent: Oct 29, 2006 1:02 PM
>> >To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>> >Subject: Zenith-List: Riding Lawn Mowers & Wing Covers??
>> >
>> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
>> >
>> >Anyone out there in Zenith land(s) got a source for wing covers and cowl
>> >blankets? 6 inches of partly cloudy? is covering everything up
>> >here. Still waiting for my new canopy cover from California from
>> >Bruces. I received lots of input from others recommending other sources
>> >but with so few CH2000s out there, I went with the factory
>> >recommendation. Glad we went flying Friday afternoon because the weather
>> >looks like it will suck for the next 6 months. Sure wish I was boon
>> >docking in a Rialta motor home in the Arizona desert in 100 degrees waiting
>> >for the Rotorway factory to open in the morning. We won't be spending
>> >any money on Avgas today even though the price dropped 15 cents a litre in
>> >the last week.
>> >
>> >humor is good especially when the weather sucks as bad as it does here
>> today.
>> >
>> >
>> >12:13 AM 10/29/2006 -0700, you wrote:
>> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
>> >>
>> >>WARNING .........WARNING......Attempted humor alert, delete if humorous
>> >>exchanges offends ya'll.
>> >>
>> >>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "TxDave" <dclaytx2@hotmail.com>
>> >>What color Scotch-Brite do I use to clean the metal posts on my fence?
>> >> That depends on the material & shape of the posts. Round,
>> >> galvinized ? Raw "hat" steel or painted green.
>> >>
>> >>Also, I was thinking of installing a new engine on my riding lawnmower.
>> >> Is that new, rebuilt or does it come as a you assemble kit.
>> >>
>> >>The grass near my fence needs mowing badly but I can't decide if I should
>> >>go with a Rotax 912 or a Corvair conversion.
>> >> Brand new from the manufacture might be a problem if you deside on
>> >> a Corvair. However I had a Turbo Spider back when & as our
>> >> friend from Tool Time would have said...Varooom. Many years ago I saw a
>> >> Corvair powered motorcycle with a sidecar. The owner was a movie
>> >> actor that had a "rubber" face & played in the "beach" movies of
>> >> the 60's.
>> >>
>> >>Please, don't shoot! Just a lame attempt at humor from an overworked and
>> >>underpaid old man.
>> >> They only shoot lane horses not old farts or I'd already be dead.
>> >>
>> >>I love this forum.
>> >> Me too. KABONG (GBA & GWB) Do Not Archive 8*)
>> >>
>> >>>do not archive
>> >>>
>> >>>Dave Clay
>> >>>Temple, TX
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CH2000 Engine Blanket & Wing Covers?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
Dear Juan,
Yes that is about it one day of summer, some years!!! That is
why I enjoy the south when I get down there. I live near Edmonton,
Alberta and it can snow any month of the year here. This year it started
snowing occasionally in August and September. The stuff we got yesterday
unfortunately may stay until April... We keep hoping for El Nino to come
north from the warm Pacific. When we get an el nino year it acts as a
block against the Siberian high pressures that bring down polar air masses
that really make it cold...
Having gone to all the trouble to change all of the lexan in the
CH2000 we will be very careful removing that ugly white debris from the
exterior.
Reg
At 02:41 PM 10/29/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>
>Dude,
>sounds like you have one day of summer up there.
>
>Where are you?
>
>Juan
>
>-----Original Message-----
> >From: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
> >Sent: Oct 29, 2006 2:20 PM
> >To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Zenith-List: CH2000 Engine Blanket & Wing Covers??
> >
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
> >
> >Dear Juan and All,
> >
> >Anyone have any idea what CH2000 wing template corresponds to in the rest
> >of the CH series is it a 200, 250, 300, or what model of 600 or 601
> >series? I ordered my Canopy (windshield and door) cover from Bruces and I
> >think the price was roughly $350 US.
> >
> >Reg
> >
> >
> >
> >At 01:36 PM 10/29/2006 -0500, you wrote:
> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
> >>
> >>Check out Bruces' Custom Covers, 989 E california Avenue, Sunnyvale CA
> 94085
> >>
> >>www. aircraftcovers.com
> >>408-738-3959
> >>
> >>I am ordering the following cover- canopy cover, part no. z601-000
> >> and the wing covers are part no. z601-300
> >>body cover is part no, z601-400
> >>
> >>each are around $350.00 each.
> >>
> >>
> >>Juan Vega
> >>601 xl 3300 Tampa, FLA
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >> >From: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
> >> >Sent: Oct 29, 2006 1:02 PM
> >> >To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> >> >Subject: Zenith-List: Riding Lawn Mowers & Wing Covers??
> >> >
> >> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
> >> >
> >> >Anyone out there in Zenith land(s) got a source for wing covers and cowl
> >> >blankets? 6 inches of partly cloudy? is covering everything up
> >> >here. Still waiting for my new canopy cover from California from
> >> >Bruces. I received lots of input from others recommending other sources
> >> >but with so few CH2000s out there, I went with the factory
> >> >recommendation. Glad we went flying Friday afternoon because the
> weather
> >> >looks like it will suck for the next 6 months. Sure wish I was boon
> >> >docking in a Rialta motor home in the Arizona desert in 100 degrees
> waiting
> >> >for the Rotorway factory to open in the morning. We won't be spending
> >> >any money on Avgas today even though the price dropped 15 cents a
> litre in
> >> >the last week.
> >> >
> >> >humor is good especially when the weather sucks as bad as it does here
> >> today.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >12:13 AM 10/29/2006 -0700, you wrote:
> >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
> >> >>
> >> >>WARNING .........WARNING......Attempted humor alert, delete if humorous
> >> >>exchanges offends ya'll.
> >> >>
> >> >>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "TxDave" <dclaytx2@hotmail.com>
> >> >>What color Scotch-Brite do I use to clean the metal posts on my fence?
> >> >> That depends on the material & shape of the posts. Round,
> >> >> galvinized ? Raw "hat" steel or painted green.
> >> >>
> >> >>Also, I was thinking of installing a new engine on my riding lawnmower.
> >> >> Is that new, rebuilt or does it come as a you assemble kit.
> >> >>
> >> >>The grass near my fence needs mowing badly but I can't decide if I
> should
> >> >>go with a Rotax 912 or a Corvair conversion.
> >> >> Brand new from the manufacture might be a problem if you
> deside on
> >> >> a Corvair. However I had a Turbo Spider back when & as our
> >> >> friend from Tool Time would have said...Varooom. Many years ago I saw a
> >> >> Corvair powered motorcycle with a sidecar. The owner was a
> movie
> >> >> actor that had a "rubber" face & played in the "beach"
> movies of
> >> >> the 60's.
> >> >>
> >> >>Please, don't shoot! Just a lame attempt at humor from an overworked and
> >> >>underpaid old man.
> >> >> They only shoot lane horses not old farts or I'd already be
> dead.
> >> >>
> >> >>I love this forum.
> >> >> Me too. KABONG (GBA & GWB) Do Not Archive 8*)
> >> >>
> >> >>>do not archive
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Dave Clay
> >> >>>Temple, TX
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
Do any of you plans builders have an opinion on where to buy the canopy?
I've identified 3 sources.
Todds, Aircraft Extras, and Zenith.
Dan Dempsey
Central VA
(Zodiac XL/ Corvair)
--------
Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70961#70961
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| Subject: | Top skin cut out for stab |
Craig,
The same solution, creating an separate small section of skin,
also works for the curve along the longeron at the bottom of the triangle
between the tubes on the middle top skin and for the "ears" of the front top
skin that cover the canopy hinge area. Both of these are areas that are
hard to get to come out perfectly.
Jeff Davidson
"You are right, on the Zodiac, the stabilizer cannot be removed without
removing one of the HT attachment brackets 6B1-9 or 6B1-8. That attached
photos is what one builder did to modify the aft cutout in the rear top skin
6B21-5."
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| Subject: | Re: Basic Battery Wiring |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Doug,
FWIW, a couple of things to think about in reference to your "wiring
diagram". Remember this is a Rotax alternator system with a yellow output
wire and ( ? don't have the other color marked on my diagram ) ? output wire
going to the "G" terminals of the Rotax supplied Regulator. This is per the
suggested electrical system wiring diagram I received with my kit from ZAC.
This is probably different than a Cessna or Piper which uses a different
regulator. I've designed the electrical systems ( all basic 12 volt DC )
systems for several aircraft including a couple of my own including my
current Rotax 912UL powered 601HD. They have all worked well with one
exception which I will discuss later.
Let me suggest a few items for your consideration based on the diagram you
provided:
1) Don't have your starter wire - which goes from the Batt. to the heavy
contacts of the Starter Relay - go through the Batt. Sol. The starter draws
a heavy current. I would consider having the heavy Starter wire come
straight off the "+" terminal of the Batt to the Starter Relay then on to
the starter.
2) Since the Alt built into the Rotax puts out about 14 amps max. ( as I've
been told ) I don't think you need a 30 Amp main. ZAC only provided a 15 AMP
breaker with my kit and that is what I've used for 10 years and 532 hours
with no problem. Also put the Main ( 15 AMP ) breaker between the Batt Sol
and the Main Buss.
3) Have the Rotax Regulator output ( it is the B+ terminal on the
regulator ) go to the "+" terminal of the battery. This way your onboars
aircraft systems draw from the Battery via the Buss and the Alternator
charges the Battery. There is another thing that the Rotax diagram does - a
short jumper goes from the "R" terminal of the regulator to the B+ terminal
of the Regulator. Also, I was advised to put a load on the "L" ( lighting
coil as Rotax calls it ) to make the regulator work correctly when there is
no other load. They stated that you can use a light bulb or do as I did and
put a 48 OHM load between the "L" terminal and the Main Buss. It has also
worked fine for all these years.
Now for that one glitch I had. When I first put the plane in service, and
didn't run it for a week or so, my battery would be very weak. I thought I
had a bad battery. It turns out there was a flaw in the ZAC wiring diagram.
The wire from the "C" terminal of the regulator orignally went from the "C"
terminal to Battery side of the Batt. Sol. This caused ( because of the
internal wiring of the regulator ) to put a 30 to 50 milliamp continuois
drain on the Batt. What I didn't pay enough attention to was that there were
two different ZAC wiring diagrams. A fellow in Austrailia discovered the
problem on his airplane and put the word out and Jim Weston - a fellow 601
builder - told me about it. Guess what one of the differences was? the
second diagram called for routing the "C" terminal wire to the other side of
the Batt. Sol. So that the connection to the Batt. was only made when the
master is on. I rewired it and am still using ( this is a true statment -
honest ) the same Concord GR-25 Battery which is almost 11 years old and
still starts my 912 fine. That is ALL I use it for so I don't worry about it
failing in flight. As you say day VFR only with full ground contact. That's
my kind of flying. I have all the ratings but I don't use them in this
airplane!
If you don't have a ZAC supplied Rotax 912 ststem wiring diagram, I suggest
you ask them for one. Good luck with your electrons.
Jim Hoak
----- Original Message -----
From: "doug kandle" <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 12:33 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Zenith-List: Basic Battery Wiring
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "doug kandle" <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
>
> I have attached a picture of what I plan to do to wire my battery power in
> my 701. This is kind of the way that my Cessna is wired. Is this similar
> to what others are doing?
>
> Specifically- is the battery relay required? It seems like a good idea.
> My battery is behind the seat (where ZAC recommends) and I plan to put the
> solenoid there too.
>
> I only have the built in alternator in the Rotax, so no additional
> alternator (30A max).
>
> This plane will only be used for day, VFR, ground always in sight flying.
> So I'm not too worried if all of my electrical fails. I'm not going to
> worry about two-point failures (electrical and coolant for example).
>
> Do any of you see any problems with this setup?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70921#70921
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/701powerwiring_739.jpg
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CH2000 Engine Blanket & Wing Covers?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
I hear from our affiliate office in Alberta, that is one of the prettiest areas
in the Northwest. Hope you get to fly soon.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
>Sent: Oct 29, 2006 3:05 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH2000 Engine Blanket & Wing Covers??
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
>
>Dear Juan,
>
> Yes that is about it one day of summer, some years!!! That is
>why I enjoy the south when I get down there. I live near Edmonton,
>Alberta and it can snow any month of the year here. This year it started
>snowing occasionally in August and September. The stuff we got yesterday
>unfortunately may stay until April... We keep hoping for El Nino to come
>north from the warm Pacific. When we get an el nino year it acts as a
>block against the Siberian high pressures that bring down polar air masses
>that really make it cold...
>
> Having gone to all the trouble to change all of the lexan in the
>CH2000 we will be very careful removing that ugly white debris from the
>exterior.
>
>Reg
>
>
>At 02:41 PM 10/29/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>>
>>Dude,
>>sounds like you have one day of summer up there.
>>
>>Where are you?
>>
>>Juan
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>> >From: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
>> >Sent: Oct 29, 2006 2:20 PM
>> >To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>> >Subject: Zenith-List: CH2000 Engine Blanket & Wing Covers??
>> >
>> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
>> >
>> >Dear Juan and All,
>> >
>> >Anyone have any idea what CH2000 wing template corresponds to in the rest
>> >of the CH series is it a 200, 250, 300, or what model of 600 or 601
>> >series? I ordered my Canopy (windshield and door) cover from Bruces and I
>> >think the price was roughly $350 US.
>> >
>> >Reg
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >At 01:36 PM 10/29/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>> >>
>> >>Check out Bruces' Custom Covers, 989 E california Avenue, Sunnyvale CA
>> 94085
>> >>
>> >>www. aircraftcovers.com
>> >>408-738-3959
>> >>
>> >>I am ordering the following cover- canopy cover, part no. z601-000
>> >> and the wing covers are part no. z601-300
>> >>body cover is part no, z601-400
>> >>
>> >>each are around $350.00 each.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Juan Vega
>> >>601 xl 3300 Tampa, FLA
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >> >From: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
>> >> >Sent: Oct 29, 2006 1:02 PM
>> >> >To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>> >> >Subject: Zenith-List: Riding Lawn Mowers & Wing Covers??
>> >> >
>> >> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
>> >> >
>> >> >Anyone out there in Zenith land(s) got a source for wing covers and cowl
>> >> >blankets? 6 inches of partly cloudy? is covering everything up
>> >> >here. Still waiting for my new canopy cover from California from
>> >> >Bruces. I received lots of input from others recommending other sources
>> >> >but with so few CH2000s out there, I went with the factory
>> >> >recommendation. Glad we went flying Friday afternoon because the
>> weather
>> >> >looks like it will suck for the next 6 months. Sure wish I was boon
>> >> >docking in a Rialta motor home in the Arizona desert in 100 degrees
>> waiting
>> >> >for the Rotorway factory to open in the morning. We won't be spending
>> >> >any money on Avgas today even though the price dropped 15 cents a
>> litre in
>> >> >the last week.
>> >> >
>> >> >humor is good especially when the weather sucks as bad as it does here
>> >> today.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >12:13 AM 10/29/2006 -0700, you wrote:
>> >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>WARNING .........WARNING......Attempted humor alert, delete if humorous
>> >> >>exchanges offends ya'll.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "TxDave" <dclaytx2@hotmail.com>
>> >> >>What color Scotch-Brite do I use to clean the metal posts on my fence?
>> >> >> That depends on the material & shape of the posts. Round,
>> >> >> galvinized ? Raw "hat" steel or painted green.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Also, I was thinking of installing a new engine on my riding lawnmower.
>> >> >> Is that new, rebuilt or does it come as a you assemble kit.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>The grass near my fence needs mowing badly but I can't decide if I
>> should
>> >> >>go with a Rotax 912 or a Corvair conversion.
>> >> >> Brand new from the manufacture might be a problem if you
>> deside on
>> >> >> a Corvair. However I had a Turbo Spider back when & as our
>> >> >> friend from Tool Time would have said...Varooom. Many years ago I saw
a
>> >> >> Corvair powered motorcycle with a sidecar. The owner was a
>> movie
>> >> >> actor that had a "rubber" face & played in the "beach"
>> movies of
>> >> >> the 60's.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Please, don't shoot! Just a lame attempt at humor from an overworked and
>> >> >>underpaid old man.
>> >> >> They only shoot lane horses not old farts or I'd already be
>> dead.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I love this forum.
>> >> >> Me too. KABONG (GBA & GWB) Do Not Archive 8*)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>do not archive
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Dave Clay
>> >> >>>Temple, TX
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Doug,
I am curious why you consider coolant failure in the same sentence as
electrical failure. It seems to me that coolant failure is fatal and
you must land immediately after turning off the engine. Electrical
failure is not much trouble at all so long as you can navigate your
way to a suitable airport.
Paul
XL fuselage
>This plane will only be used for day, VFR, ground always in sight
>flying. So I'm not too worried if all of my electrical fails. I'm
>not going to worry about two-point failures (electrical and coolant
>for example).
>
>Do any of you see any problems with this setup?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: canopie sources |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Hi Dan:
I used Todds. Good quality and fast shipping. He answers his phone and will walk
you through any problems dealing with plexiglass.
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Canopy.html
He also gives out nice ball caps.
Scott Laughlin
Omaha, Nebraska
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Videos.html
601XL/Running Corvair
finishing up BRS installation
----- Original Message ----
From: leinad leinad@hughes.net
Do any of you plans builders have an opinion on where to buy the canopy?
I've identified 3 sources.
Todds, Aircraft Extras, and Zenith.
Dan Dempsey
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers (Specifically Comcast Listers),
For about the last two days, Comcast was blocking incoming email from the Matronics
Email Lists because their spam filters thought the mail was spam. I was
able to finally get them to lift the block about 3pm PST 10/29/2006 and it appears
that people on Comcast are receiving List messages again.
If you are a Comcast user, you might want to email them and express your displeasure
with their Spam blocking policy, particularly as it relates to "matronics.com".
Sorry for the hassle...
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
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| Subject: | Basic Battery Wiring |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Actually I read somewhere that the Rotax 912 can run at 50% power with
complete loss of coolant.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mulwitz
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Basic Battery Wiring
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
--> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Doug,
I am curious why you consider coolant failure in the same sentence as
electrical failure. It seems to me that coolant failure is fatal and you
must land immediately after turning off the engine. Electrical failure is
not much trouble at all so long as you can navigate your way to a suitable
airport.
Paul
XL fuselage
>This plane will only be used for day, VFR, ground always in sight
>flying. So I'm not too worried if all of my electrical fails. I'm not
>going to worry about two-point failures (electrical and coolant for
>example).
>
>Do any of you see any problems with this setup?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Basic Battery Wiring |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "doug kandle" <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att wrote:
> Hi Doug,
>
> I am curious why you consider coolant failure in the same sentence as
> electrical failure. It seems to me that coolant failure is fatal and
> you must land immediately after turning off the engine. Electrical
> failure is not much trouble at all so long as you can navigate your
> way to a suitable airport.
>
> Paul
> XL fuselage
>
>
>
>
A coolant failure is very serious, but I am not going to do a two point failure
analysis, only single point failures. If the coolant system fails, then my EIS
will detect it and I'll land. If, however my electrical system fails, then
(before I land) my coolant system fails, I will have no way to detect the overheating
condition until the engine begins to loose power. This is an event
that I feel is so remote that I am not going to deal with in the electrical system.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70986#70986
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| Subject: | Re: Basic Battery Wiring |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "doug kandle" <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
planejim(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
> Doug,
>
>
> 1) Don't have your starter wire - which goes from the Batt. to the heavy
> contacts of the Starter Relay - go through the Batt. Sol. I would consider
having the heavy Starter wire come
> straight off the "+" terminal of the Batt to the Starter Relay then on to the
starter.
> 2) Since the Alt built into the Rotax puts out about 14 amps max. I don't think
you need a 30 Amp main. ZAC only provided a 15 AMP
> breaker with my kit and that is what I've used for 10 years Also put the Main
( 15 AMP ) breaker between the Batt Sol
> and the Main Buss.
> 3) Have the Rotax Regulator output ( it is the B+ terminal on the
> regulator ) go to the "+" terminal of the battery. This way your onboars
> aircraft systems draw from the Battery via the Buss and the Alternator
> charges the Battery.
> Jim Hoak
>
>
> ---
Jim:
[ I noticed an error in my drawing shortly after I posted it. I don't want the
starter relay to be powered from the avionics bus, since I want to be able to
have the avionics powered off when I crank/shutdown the engine. ]
Attached is the wiring diagram from the Rotax manual that came with my engine.
It shows a 30 A fuse. I shouldn't be using any where near that much for my few
instruments so I'll go with your suggestion of a 15A. The Rotax manual says
that the alternator will put out 28A max.
If I don't have the starter go through the master relay, then the engine can be
cranked even though the master switch is off. This seems too dangerous to have
the starter switch hot even with the master in the off position.
If I connect the alternator to the battery, and the instrument bus to the battery,
then how do I disconnect the alternator from the bus so that everything is
powered off of only the battery in the event the alternator malfunctions? Don't
I need several switches/circuit breakers? I need to (a) isolate the alternator
(alternator breaker/switch), (b) remove power from all of the avionics while
I crank & shutdown the engine (avionics master switch), and (c) I need a
way to turn everything off (the master).
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70988#70988
Attachments:
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| Subject: | Fence retraction |
Bill,
Please say it isn't so.and pardon my delay in responding. I have been on
vacation for a week and without internet or cell phone (and survived!).
Any of us in the United States who have strong political feelings understand
the urge to speak up. I, for one, feel the need more often, the older I get,
especially when I feel the country is heading for disaster. Maybe "disaster"
is an overstatement, but, as we get closer to election time, the political
messages get more and more shrill. I doubt if any of us are not just
exhausted with the constant bombardment of political advertisements. I
understand your desire to speak out.
There are several more prominent scratch builders on this list, but you are
The One who took the time to convince me to follow your lead. You not only
saved me thousands of $$$, but helped make the whole process more
satisfying.
I have confessed this to the List before now, and for those of you who
remember and think this corny to re-hash - I apologize, but where would I be
if you had not taken the time for me? I wouldn't be half way thru my center
section - I would still be saving money to purchase the kit.
When you take the time to communicate with a large group of people, you
never know when or where you will strike the match of inspiration. Please
stay with us.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
Do not archive
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 3:10 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Fence retraction
All-
My apologies for considering the international members of this list, and
forgetting to add "Do not archive" to my posting.
Over and out- permanently.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Basic Battery Wiring |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Run the starter directly from the battery through the starter's contactor
but power the coil in the contactor from the switched buss. So the starter
is fed directly but the contactor can't close unless the master is on.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: canopie sources |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Scott Laughlin,
I was looking at your website, really nice, and lots of usefull stuff. I noticed
your wind electricall points are design for quick detach on wing remal, any
pictures on how you did your fuel system removable.
Much appreciated.
Juan
Tampa 601/ 3300
-----Original Message-----
>From: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Oct 29, 2006 6:45 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: canopie sources
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>
>Hi Dan:
>
>I used Todds. Good quality and fast shipping. He answers his phone and will
walk you through any problems dealing with plexiglass.
>http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Canopy.html
>
>He also gives out nice ball caps.
>
>Scott Laughlin
>Omaha, Nebraska
>http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Videos.html
>601XL/Running Corvair
>finishing up BRS installation
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: leinad leinad@hughes.net
>
>Do any of you plans builders have an opinion on where to buy the canopy?
>I've identified 3 sources.
>Todds, Aircraft Extras, and Zenith.
>Dan Dempsey
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Scratch vs Sub-Kits? |
Art,
It may be that Zenith has improved their quality control
with the newer production equipment. My 601XL kit was manufactured in
Feb. 2006, and the predrilled holes have been extremely accurate. After
building one wingtip, with those rather challenging curves, I was able
to cleco left/right wing skins together back to back, using the
perfectly aligned holes, and draw the opposite side tip curves for exact
symmetry. I've found the predrilled holes to be quite a time saver.
Lynn
` Corry,
PA
601XL /
Corvair
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
I was whining earlier about the recent snowfall. Made the 10 mile trip to
the airport and all the tricycle gear aircraft but one were sitting on
their asses. We had about 6 inches of partly cloudy and a 1/2 inch of
ice. The CH2000 has a very small stabilator so I figured it would not be
on its butt. WRONG. I cleaned all the snow from it and only when I
started to get to ice did the plane rebalance to the nose wheel. I had
already cleaned the top of the fuselage off. Obviously I am going to have
to make regular airport visits to keep the nose on the
ground. Unfortunately when you pull the controls full back on the CH2000
/Alarus it is almost horizontal so it really collects snow. I need to
call Zenair tomorrow about the winter fronts they promised me. Cold oil
temperatures are a regular problem with this airplane. The factory spells
out 20-50 W oil for the Lycoming 0-235. 65 W seems more appropriate for
northern climates. or 15W50 Aeroshell. Observations or comments on cold
weather flying in CH2000s are welcome. My bird came from New Hampshire
but from a divorce settlement via 3rd party so I have no real folks to ask
direct ??? to,
I had the cabin heat on Friday afternoon but didn't notice any great source
of warmth in the 35F weather.
Reg
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| Subject: | Re: Basic Battery Wiring |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "doug kandle" <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
craig(at)craigandjean.com wrote:
> Run the starter directly from the battery through the starter's contactor
> but power the coil in the contactor from the switched buss. So the starter
> is fed directly but the contactor can't close unless the master is on.
>
> -- Craig
Craig:
My battery is behind my seat, 6 feet or so aft of the firewall. I don't want any
uncontrolled heavy wire to go from the battery area to the firewall (to limit
the amount of cable that can cause me real problems if it shorts out). So,
I want my master solenoid to be right next to the battery. If I connect my starter
to the battery, without passing through the master solenoid, then I would
have to run an uncontrolled heavy wire from the battery to the engine this
would completely negate any advantage of having the solenoid next to the battery.
In a forced landing you turn off the master so that there will be less chance of
any sparks starting a fire. I want all of the electrical system possible to
be inert if I ever have to do a forced landing.
I just double checked the drawings for my Cessna 206 and it passes the starter
current through both contactors. Since the part I am using is identical (I believe)
to the one in my Cessna, it should be able to handle the current.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=71007#71007
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| Subject: | Re: Basic Battery Wiring |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Graig,
I agree. That was going to be my reply. Run only the started control through
the Batt sol.
Jim Hoak
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 7:55 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: Zenith-List: Re: Basic Battery Wiring
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> Run the starter directly from the battery through the starter's contactor
> but power the coil in the contactor from the switched buss. So the starter
> is fed directly but the contactor can't close unless the master is on.
>
> -- Craig
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Basic Battery Wiring |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sounds like a sound line of reasoning. I checked a few of the AeroElectric
schematics and they run the starter through the master contactor. It just
isn't my first choice. Where did you buy the master contactor?
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Basic Battery Wiring |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "doug kandle" <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
craig(at)craigandjean.com wrote:
> Sounds like a sound line of reasoning.
> Where did you buy the master contactor?
> -- Craig
Aircraft Spruce P/N 111-226, $18.90
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=71021#71021
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| Subject: | Re: Basic Battery Wiring |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Hmm, not a lot of info in the catalog. Are there any useful marking on the
contactor itself? Or did it come with a spec sheet?
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug kandle
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 8:24 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Basic Battery Wiring
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "doug kandle"
--> <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
craig(at)craigandjean.com wrote:
> Sounds like a sound line of reasoning.
> Where did you buy the master contactor?
> -- Craig
Aircraft Spruce P/N 111-226, $18.90
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=71021#71021
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| Subject: | Re: Basic Battery Wiring |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Master contactor---Starter Relay---Starter Solenoid--- "A Rose by any other
name...".
Aircraft Spruce, page #407, P/N 22735, $9.65. Even if you buy it elseware
get a FREE ACS catalog. It has a LOT more than pieces & prices... in
building the info it contains is....priceless. KABONG Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 7:09 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Basic Battery Wiring
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> Sounds like a sound line of reasoning. I checked a few of the AeroElectric
> schematics and they run the starter through the master contactor. It just
> isn't my first choice. Where did you buy the master contactor?
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| Subject: | Zenith 'Copter Training |
Future 'Copter Pilots,
Maybe Chris Heinze will get bored in
retirement and design a helicopter. We need to be ready.
This may not work on a phone connection.
Lynn Dingfelder
Corry, PA
601 XL do not archive
www.hurtwood.demon.co.uk/Fun/copter.swf
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