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1. 03:55 AM - Ray Allen flap switch (Peter Franke)
2. 05:23 AM - Re: Git'er Done (N5SL)
3. 06:24 AM - Re: Ray Allen flap switch (LRM)
4. 06:36 AM - Ray Allen Aileron Trim (nick@aoaircrafters.com)
5. 06:38 AM - Re: Ray Allen flap switch (Craig Payne)
6. 06:53 AM - 25 DEGREES (Dave Ruddiman)
7. 07:25 AM - Re: 25 DEGREES (Keith Ashcraft)
8. 07:28 AM - Re: 25 DEGREES (Trevor Page)
9. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: Basic Battery Wiring (Bryan Martin)
10. 08:01 AM - Re: 25 DEGREES (Jari Kaija)
11. 08:15 AM - Re: Main Gear Orientation (was) Zenairs & Snow, (T. Graziano)
12. 09:07 AM - Re: Re: Main Gear Orientation (was) Zenairs & Snow, (Craig Payne)
13. 09:18 AM - Re: 25 DEGREES (LarryMcFarland)
14. 09:33 AM - Re: 25 DEGREES (Gig Giacona)
15. 09:45 AM - Re: Ray Allen Aileron Trim (Trainnut01@aol.com)
16. 12:39 PM - Re: 701 no slats again (Joe and Joan)
17. 01:11 PM - Re: 25 DEGREES (Jim Hoak)
18. 01:50 PM - Re: 25 DEGREES ()
19. 02:07 PM - Re: 25 DEGREES (Craig Payne)
20. 04:11 PM - Re: 25 DEGREES (N5SL)
21. 04:15 PM - Re: 701 no slats again (Dave Ruddiman)
22. 04:30 PM - 801 Firewall Forward (Dave Ruddiman)
23. 04:30 PM - Re: 601 wing locker hinge (Tim Juhl)
24. 04:31 PM - Re: 701 no slats again (Jean-Paul Roy)
25. 04:39 PM - Re: 701 no slats again (NYTerminat@aol.com)
26. 04:43 PM - Re: 25 DEGREES (n801bh@netzero.com)
27. 05:03 PM - composite landing gear installation (leinad)
28. 05:04 PM - long range tanks fuel selector valve (leinad)
29. 05:32 PM - Re: Re: 601 wing locker hinge (Paul Mulwitz)
30. 05:44 PM - Re: long range tanks fuel selector valve (Graham Kirby)
31. 05:46 PM - Re: long range tanks fuel selector valve (Paul Mulwitz)
32. 06:02 PM - Re: long range tanks fuel selector valve (JOHN STARN)
33. 06:16 PM - Re: long range tanks fuel selector valve (leinad)
34. 06:24 PM - Re: 701 no slats again (billmileski)
35. 06:33 PM - Re: 701 no slats again (billmileski)
36. 06:44 PM - Re: Re: 701 no slats again (Juan Vega)
37. 06:50 PM - Who's going to the Rudder Workshop next week? (PatrickW)
38. 07:06 PM - Re: Who's going to the Rudder Workshop next week? (Michael Valentine)
39. 07:07 PM - Re: long range tanks fuel selector valve (Craig Payne)
40. 07:10 PM - Re: Who's going to the Rudder Workshop next week? (Danny Offill)
41. 07:18 PM - Re: 25 DEGREES (Steve Hulland)
42. 07:21 PM - Re: long range tanks fuel selector valve (Craig Payne)
43. 07:27 PM - Re: More basic battery explosion (Noel Loveys)
44. 07:29 PM - Re: Re: long range tanks fuel selector valve (Craig Payne)
45. 07:36 PM - Re: Re: long range tanks fuel selector valve (Jeff)
46. 07:53 PM - Re: long range tanks fuel selector valve (Jeff)
47. 08:32 PM - Re: long range tanks fuel selector valve (Craig Payne)
48. 09:13 PM - Re: Re: 701 no slats again (JohnDRead@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Ray Allen flap switch |
Has anyone directly used the 5-amp rocker switch from Ray Allen for
controlling the flaps on an XL (without any relays), or does anyone know
what the draw is of the standard flap motor? Ray Allen state that the switch
is good for higher current uses like flap motors, but Zenith now specify
15amp fuse on the flap circuit, which makes me wonder whether the RA switch
could handle the load.
Cheers,
Peter
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
I don't know Dan. Every time I think I'm getting close I come up with ten more
things I need to do.
I have my N-number registered so somebody somewhere thinks it's an airplane.
Scott Laughlin
601XL/Corvair
Omaha, Nebraska
Where the snow is real
www.cooknwithgas.com
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message ----
From: leinad <leinad@hughes.net
Thanks all for the replies.
Scott, do you have a timeline on when you might be airborn?
Do not archive
Dan Dempsey (XL/Corvair)
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| Subject: | Re: Ray Allen flap switch |
That's what I used on my 701, zero problem that I know of.
Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Franke
To: Zenith-List@Matronics. Com
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 5:51 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Ray Allen flap switch
Has anyone directly used the 5-amp rocker switch from Ray Allen for
controlling the flaps on an XL (without any relays), or does anyone know
what the draw is of the standard flap motor? Ray Allen state that the
switch is good for higher current uses like flap motors, but Zenith now
specify 15amp fuse on the flap circuit, which makes me wonder whether
the RA switch could handle the load.
Cheers,
Peter
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10/27/2006
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| Subject: | Ray Allen Aileron Trim |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: nick@aoaircrafters.com
Guys,
I've got a Zodiac 601 HD with Ray allen trim servos (elevator and
aileron). When I received the project, I noticed two long springs
located just behind the pilot/copilot seats- one was attached to the
aileron trim servo and the other was attached to an aluminum tab on the
left of the fuselage. The loose spring ends were clamped to the aileron
cables. The springs crossed each other in the middle of the the
fuselage so that one spring would oppose the other spring.
When the pilot actuated the aileron trim servo one spring would put
pressure on the aileron cable; therefore, the pilot would be able to
have aileron trim control. Does this make sense- I don't know if I
adequately described the system?
-Has anyone seen this kind of aileron trim setup on a 601?
-Does the 601 HD need aileron trim?
-Does anyone have finished pictures/diagrams of this aileron trim setup?
-Can anyone suggest a calibration method for this aileron trim setup?
Thanks much,
~Nick Helsper
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| Subject: | Ray Allen flap switch |
I've measured the current draw of the factory flap motor at 4.5 amps
continuous. I don't know what it draws at start.
-- Craig
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I know this isn't cold to some of you, but it's 25 in Salem, Oregon. I
don't want it to be almost winter yet. How cold is it in your part of
the world?
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OK Dave,
I know this isn't Zenith related, (or is it, as there have been
discussions about cold weather starting of engines, and snow piled on
planes, setting the CG off, and setting them on their tail)
I had 30" of snow last Wednesday/Thursday, that puts me to a total of
48" since September 21st. with the temps already hitting the single
digits, but.. upper teens for the normal night-time lows.
Going to get some more Aluminum next week from ALERO, 11299 Brighton
Road, Henderson, CO 80640, 303-287-7210, (Northeast Denver area), to
start the rear fuselage
Do Not Archive ( I guess)
Keith
CH701 -- scratch
Smyth Sidewinder -- scratch
Teenie Two -- scratch
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
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Dave Ruddiman wrote:
> I know this isn't cold to some of you, but it's 25 in Salem, Oregon. I
> don't want it to be almost winter yet. How cold is it in your part of
> the world?
>
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I'm 1 hour west of Toronto and it's 13=B0C which is 55=B0F for you old-
school types ;)
I'm working feverishly to finish my cowl retrofit from Europe now
that it's getting colder because my hangar is not heated... I've been
grounded for 3 months waiting for parts so you can imagine I want to
get some more time on the bird. I figure a couple more weeks and I'll
be ready to go.
Trev Page
C-IDUS 601HD R912
On Oct 31, 2006, at 9:53 AM, Dave Ruddiman wrote:
> I know this isn't cold to some of you, but it's 25 in Salem,
> Oregon. I don't want it to be almost winter yet. How cold is it in
> your part of the world?
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| Subject: | Re: Basic Battery Wiring |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
I have mine set up just like yours, the battery is behind the passenger
seat with the master relay right beside it. The starter current passes
through the master on the way to the starter. I've had no trouble with
it for 2 years and 175 hours of flight time. most of the wiring diagrams
i have seen have this configuration. As for putting the starter relay
back behind the seat with the master, that isn't practical since my
starter relay is built in to my starter.
doug kandle wrote:
>
> Craig:
> My battery is behind my seat, 6 feet or so aft of the firewall. I don't want
any uncontrolled heavy wire to go from the battery area to the firewall (to limit
the amount of cable that can cause me real problems if it shorts out). So,
I want my master solenoid to be right next to the battery. If I connect my
starter to the battery, without passing through the master solenoid, then I would
have to run an uncontrolled heavy wire from the battery to the engine this
would completely negate any advantage of having the solenoid next to the battery.
>
> In a forced landing you turn off the master so that there will be less chance
of any sparks starting a fire. I want all of the electrical system possible
to be inert if I ever have to do a forced landing.
>
> I just double checked the drawings for my Cessna 206 and it passes the starter
current through both contactors. Since the part I am using is identical (I
believe) to the one in my Cessna, it should be able to handle the current.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=71007#71007
>
Bryan Martin
Ram Subaru/ Stratus redrive
CH601XL N61BM
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There is the link for my location. Also, there is a link for unit
converter C<->F (bottom right).
http://www.fmi.fi/weather/local.html?kunta=Oulu
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http://www.jarikaija.com
http://www.project-ch701.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Ruddiman
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 4:53 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 25 DEGREES
I know this isn't cold to some of you, but it's 25 in Salem, Oregon. I
don't want it to be almost winter yet. How cold is it in your part of
the world?
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| Subject: | Re: Main Gear Orientation (was) Zenairs & Snow, |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "T. Graziano" <tonyplane@bellsouth.net>
For what its worth:
I have a Jab 3300 and Aux tanks installed in my XL, and my CG is really
great for all normal loading conditions and fuel states (weird loadings or
child weight pilots with full fuel not considered).
I have seriously considered turning my main gear around to meet the latest
dwg, thus moving the wheel CG location a little more forward because:
1. I have to pull the aircraft off the runway to become airborne,. It will
not fly itself off. (my inflight trim is alomst zero on the trim tab),
This is no big deal though, but
2. For my XL, I found during test flight that if you set up a high sink
rate above stall speed airspeed condition esp with flaps to let the aircraft
land itself ( an "arrival" as you can do in a Cessna vice a regular
landing ) you will be bounced into the air and flying again with PIO
potential. Going into my third progessively hard bounce (great nose gear,
but I have an 801 nose fork with 6x600 tires) I realized what was happening
and flew out of the condition - I had never before gotten into a PIO
situation. I encountered this situation twice more since test flights (but
not recently- I did learn really watch my landing airspeed more closely when
using flaps. As an aside, I can land my airplane at high airspeed without
flaps, just watch that sink rate).
3. On my XL, I can not hold the nose off on landing - once the mains are on
the ground the nose WILL immediately come down. with only my 195 lb self
onboard
I have put the following statement in my POH
CAUTION
WATCH SINK RATE AND AIR SPEED: with the landing gear geometry of 493TG, a
High sink rate combined with High air speed at touch down will result in the
nose gear hitting the runway HARD. and bouncing the airplane airborne. IF
THIS HAPPENS - GO AROUND or initiate a BOUNCE RECOVERY! Pilot Induced
Oscillation (PIO) can result under this condition if landing is attempted.
Tony Graziano
601XL; N493TG 165 hrs
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Juan Vega
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Zenairs & Snow,
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
On this note of the plane on balance- The plans for the 601 xl show the
flat part of the main gear facing forward, yet other planes are facing back.
I called the shop and they put the flat part forward based on the Jabiru
being heavier and the plane would fly off on take off versus having to
unstick it. Any thoughts, mine is in place flat side forward. but if push
comes to shove I can turn the mains araound.
Juan
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| Subject: | Re: Main Gear Orientation (was) Zenairs & Snow, |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Tony, just to be specific - is the straight edge on the front or back of
your main gear?
-- Craig
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Hi Dave,
I've been playing the temperature game since it dropped into the 30s.
Trying to finish painting the trim color on the plane.
The garage furnace can keep up when it's 50 or so, but this week is
taking a dip. My paint needs 70 degrees minimum.
It's getting to be a contest between temps and readiness.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
East Moline, Illinois (on the Mississippi where it runs east to west)
do not archive
Dave Ruddiman wrote:
> I know this isn't cold to some of you, but it's 25 in Salem, Oregon. I
> don't want it to be almost winter yet. How cold is it in your part of
> the world?
> *
> *
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
It's 25 degrees here in El Dorado Arkansas at noon. Thank God that's 25C. 76F.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=71359#71359
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| Subject: | Re: Ray Allen Aileron Trim |
Nick
That is very similar to the "bias spring trim" used by Van's on the RV7.
Works great.
Carroll
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 701 no slats again |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe and Joan" <jnjkimbell@hotmail.com>
Bill, I have a 701 and this looks like something I am going to try. I
contacted the owner of stolspeed and he is in the process of making it
possible to order his vg's. As soon as I get them and try them, I will
report to the list the results. Of course, I do not plan to remove the
attachements holding the slats until all tests are done. Joe from Florida
----- Original Message -----
From: "billmileski" <mileski@sonalysts.com>
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 2:13 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 no slats again
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "billmileski" <mileski@sonalysts.com>
>
> Okay, I recently looked at http://www.stolspeed.com/content.php
> and the claim there is that several 701's (in addition to Savannahs) are
> flying with VGs and no slats, with similar, or even improved STOL, climb,
> stability and glide characteristics. The web site author has a Savannah,
> but I don't know if his own results are completely applicable to the 701
> (didn't someone say recently that the airfoil is different?).
>
> I emailed the seller of the VGs and haven't heard back yet. Is there any
> experience on this list that would support or refute these claims?
>
> Curiously,
>
> Bill Mileski
> Connecticut
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=69736#69736
>
>
>
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Dave,
I just got back from flying my 601HD in my T shirt. ( 3:00 pm ) My truck
thermometer indicated 74 degrees F. Nice huh? I live about 20 miles
South of Atlanta, GA.
do not archive
Jim Hoak 601HD
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Ruddiman
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:53 AM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Zenith-List: 25 DEGREES
I know this isn't cold to some of you, but it's 25 in Salem, Oregon. I
don't want it to be almost winter yet. How cold is it in your part of
the world?
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Okay Jim but next time don't forget to put on your pants too. The staff at the
FBO have been complaining a lot about that lately.
Thanks,
The management
---- Jim Hoak <planejim@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Dave,
>
> I just got back from flying my 601HD in my T shirt. ( 3:00 pm ) My truck thermometer
indicated 74 degrees F. Nice huh? I live about 20 miles South of Atlanta,
GA.
>
> do not archive
>
> Jim Hoak 601HD
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave Ruddiman
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:53 AM
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Zenith-List: 25 DEGREES
>
>
> I know this isn't cold to some of you, but it's 25 in Salem, Oregon. I don't
want it to be almost winter yet. How cold is it in your part of the world?
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Right, think of all the extra drag created.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
dredmoody@cox.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 25 DEGREES
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Okay Jim but next time don't forget to put on your pants too. The staff at
the FBO have been complaining a lot about that lately.
Thanks,
The management
---- Jim Hoak <planejim@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Dave,
>
> I just got back from flying my 601HD in my T shirt. ( 3:00 pm ) My truck
thermometer indicated 74 degrees F. Nice huh? I live about 20 miles South of
Atlanta, GA.
>
> do not archive
>
> Jim Hoak 601HD
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave Ruddiman
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:53 AM
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Zenith-List: 25 DEGREES
>
>
> I know this isn't cold to some of you, but it's 25 in Salem, Oregon. I
don't want it to be almost winter yet. How cold is it in your part of the
world?
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Boo Y'all. I'm handing out candy to shivering little creatures here in Omaha.
It's too cold to go skinny dipping but not too bad.
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message ----
From: "dredmoody@cox.net" <dredmoody@cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 3:49:20 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 25 DEGREES
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Okay Jim but next time don't forget to put on your pants too. The staff at the
FBO have been complaining a lot about that lately.
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| Subject: | Re: 701 no slats again |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
Just curious, but why don't you want the slats?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe and Joan" <jnjkimbell@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 no slats again
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe and Joan" <jnjkimbell@hotmail.com>
>
> Bill, I have a 701 and this looks like something I am going to try. I
> contacted the owner of stolspeed and he is in the process of making it
> possible to order his vg's. As soon as I get them and try them, I will
> report to the list the results. Of course, I do not plan to remove the
> attachements holding the slats until all tests are done. Joe from
> Florida
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "billmileski" <mileski@sonalysts.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 2:13 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: 701 no slats again
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "billmileski" <mileski@sonalysts.com>
>>
>> Okay, I recently looked at http://www.stolspeed.com/content.php
>> and the claim there is that several 701's (in addition to Savannahs) are
>> flying with VGs and no slats, with similar, or even improved STOL, climb,
>> stability and glide characteristics. The web site author has a Savannah,
>> but I don't know if his own results are completely applicable to the 701
>> (didn't someone say recently that the airfoil is different?).
>>
>> I emailed the seller of the VGs and haven't heard back yet. Is there any
>> experience on this list that would support or refute these claims?
>>
>> Curiously,
>>
>> Bill Mileski
>> Connecticut
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=69736#69736
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| Subject: | 801 Firewall Forward |
I am thinking about ordering the rest of my kit. Fuselage, gear and
controls. Mainly so I can have it paid for before I spend the money on
the house or bills or something frivolous like that. Also, maybe the
firewall forward kit. I'd like to know who might have ordered this kit
from ZAC? Since I don't want to go tracking down parts that I don't know
enough about I will more than likely do it this way. I know there is no
such thing as just bolting it together right out off the box but Iwould
like an opinion from anyone that has done it this way. I am using an
I0-360.
Dave in Salem
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| Subject: | Re: 601 wing locker hinge |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Juhl" <juhl@avci.net>
If you install the wing locker hinge as per the drawing (using shims) the rolled
part of the hinge will project about 0.065 " above the skin surface. If you
turn it the hinge over you will have a slot in the wing.
Echoing Burbby's question, did any of you do anything different or do you just
live with the portruding hinge?
Tim Juhl
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: 701 no slats again |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jean-Paul Roy" <jean-paul.roy4@tlb.sympatico.ca>
I would be reluctant to try these out. If the 701 was meant to fly with VG's
and without slats, I'd bet Chris would have designed it that way.
Just my opinion of course.
do not archive
Jean-Paul Roy
working on wings
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe and Joan" <jnjkimbell@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 no slats again
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe and Joan" <jnjkimbell@hotmail.com>
>
> Bill, I have a 701 and this looks like something I am going to try. I
> contacted the owner of stolspeed and he is in the process of making it
> possible to order his vg's. As soon as I get them and try them, I will
> report to the list the results. Of course, I do not plan to remove the
> attachements holding the slats until all tests are done. Joe from
Florida
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "billmileski" <mileski@sonalysts.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 2:13 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: 701 no slats again
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "billmileski" <mileski@sonalysts.com>
> >
> > Okay, I recently looked at http://www.stolspeed.com/content.php
> > and the claim there is that several 701's (in addition to Savannahs) are
> > flying with VGs and no slats, with similar, or even improved STOL,
climb,
> > stability and glide characteristics. The web site author has a
Savannah,
> > but I don't know if his own results are completely applicable to the 701
> > (didn't someone say recently that the airfoil is different?).
> >
> > I emailed the seller of the VGs and haven't heard back yet. Is there
any
> > experience on this list that would support or refute these claims?
> >
> > Curiously,
> >
> > Bill Mileski
> > Connecticut
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=69736#69736
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: 701 no slats again |
Joe,
I would be interested in the results also.
Bob Spudis
N701ZX
CH701/912S/86 hrs
In a message dated 10/31/2006 3:46:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jnjkimbell@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe and Joan" <jnjkimbell@hotmail.com>
Bill, I have a 701 and this looks like something I am going to try. I
contacted the owner of stolspeed and he is in the process of making it
possible to order his vg's. As soon as I get them and try them, I will
report to the list the results. Of course, I do not plan to remove the
attachements holding the slats until all tests are done. Joe from Florida
----- Original Message -----
From: "billmileski" <mileski@sonalysts.com>
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 2:13 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 no slats again
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It's headed for - 4 f here in Jackson Hole tonight and tomorrow, Boy doe
s my 801 LOVE the thick air.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net> wrote:
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| Subject: | composite landing gear installation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
I recently received my composite landing gear for my XL and it's going to require
some modifications to install it. Has anyone else gone this route? I have
some ideas about how to do it, but was wondering what others have done.
Dan Dempsey (601XL/Corvair)
--------
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| Subject: | long range tanks fuel selector valve |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
I've been looking for a 5 way fuel selector valve for the optional tanks on the
Zodiac. I've only found one source and they want $450.00.. Any other sources??
Dan Dempsey (601XL/Corvair)
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| Subject: | Re: 601 wing locker hinge |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Tim,
For my money, the amount of hinge protruding into the airstream from
the locker hinge is about the same as all the rivet heads. I did
mine as close to the plans as I could.
Paul
XL Fuselage
>If you install the wing locker hinge as per the drawing (using
>shims) the rolled part of the hinge will project about 0.065 " above
>the skin surface. If you turn it the hinge over you will have a
>slot in the wing.
>
>Echoing Burbby's question, did any of you do anything different or
>do you just live with the portruding hinge?
>
>Tim Juhl
>
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| Subject: | long range tanks fuel selector valve |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graham Kirby" <gk@601hd.com>
Dan,
Suggest you look back in the archives. A former list member, Frank Hinde,
had a good argument that instead of an expensive valve it was better to use
one facet fuel pump per tank feeding through into the gascolator. The trick
was choosing the right pump: check valve, unpowered flow rate etc. You'll
find the details in the archive. Frank had a 601HDS which didn't gravity
feed as the 801 should so his decision criteria may have been different from
yours.
Graham Kirby
601HD
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
I've been looking for a 5 way fuel selector valve for the optional tanks on
the Zodiac. I've only found one source and they want $450.00.. Any other
sources?? Dan Dempsey (601XL/Corvair)
--------
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| Subject: | Re: long range tanks fuel selector valve |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Have you considered cascading 2 levels of standard 3 way selectors?
Paul
XL fuselage
At 05:02 PM 10/31/2006, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
>
>I've been looking for a 5 way fuel selector valve for the optional
>tanks on the Zodiac. I've only found one source and they want
>$450.00.. Any other sources??
>Dan Dempsey (601XL/Corvair)
>
>--------
>Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: long range tanks fuel selector valve |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Take a look at ACS (AirCraft Spruce) www.aircraftspruce.com , page #166
Andair FS20x8-7 Model 8, the 3/8" unit appears to be $240.00 with
male/female fitting or $285.00 with a "banjo" fitting among a whole list of
options regarding fittings/outlets. Do Not Archive KABONG
Subject: Zenith-List: long range tanks fuel selector valve
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
>
> I've been looking for a 5 way fuel selector valve for the optional tanks
> on the Zodiac. I've only found one source and they want $450.00.. Any
> other sources??
> Dan Dempsey (601XL/Corvair)
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| Subject: | Re: long range tanks fuel selector valve |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
Paul,
Originally my plan was just that. Two valves would select between inboard or outboard
on the left and right, then a third valve to select right or left. When
I found out Andair had a 5 way selector, it sounded like easier fuel management,
so I went that way. The problem was that the dealer was not willing to
abide by the advertised price, but doubled it before delivery. So now I'm back
to looking at the alternatives.
One suggestion was to use fuel pumps and check valves for each tank. I don't like
that solution. I'd rather the fuel pumps (there will be a main and backup)
pull the fuel from the tanks rather than push. I'd rather not have the fuel
under pressure going through the cabin. Just my preference.. it seams safer.
Dan
p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att wrote:
> Have you considered cascading 2 levels of standard 3 way selectors?
>
> Paul
> XL fuselage
>
> At 05:02 PM 10/31/2006, you wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I've been looking for a 5 way fuel selector valve for the optional
> > tanks on the Zodiac. I've only found one source and they want
> > $450.00.. Any other sources??
> > Dan Dempsey (601XL/Corvair)
> >
> > --------
> > Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 no slats again |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "billmileski" <mileski@sonalysts.com>
It's not that I don't want the slats, it's just that the claim of increased efficiency
and retention of STOL characteristics is intriguing. The website seems
pretty sincere, and I have since exchanged email with an Aussie 701 owner who
has logged 100+ hours with VGs instead of slats, and is happier with the performance.
>
> Just curious, but why don't you want the slats?
>
And I will definitely keep my ear out for you Joe if you give it a try.
>
> Bill, I have a 701 and this looks like something I am going to try.
>
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: 701 no slats again |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "billmileski" <mileski@sonalysts.com>
One more thing, Joe,
Be sure to check (or at least consider) the weight and balance if you decide to
try it.. I was reminded by the factory that removing slats will move the CG rearward,
as they have some weight and they are forward of the CG.
By the way the factory clearly discourages this configuration. However I am considering
giving it a try too when the VGs are available. Several people have
tried it without the VGs and reported bad results, but survived, and duplicating
the VG installation probably limits the risk quite a bit.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: 701 no slats again |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
On trhe subject of antenna placment, I have decided to put the elt antennae on
top at the back of the luggage area. The Comm antennae, I decided to put a 45
degree nbend antennae under the copilot seat between the wing stut and the landing
gear, so the antennae will not be seen and on the bottom. ANy one else
place it there?
Txspr antennae just behind firewall on bottom.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: billmileski <mileski@sonalysts.com>
>Sent: Oct 31, 2006 9:32 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 no slats again
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "billmileski" <mileski@sonalysts.com>
>
>One more thing, Joe,
>
>Be sure to check (or at least consider) the weight and balance if you decide to
try it.. I was reminded by the factory that removing slats will move the CG
rearward, as they have some weight and they are forward of the CG.
>
>By the way the factory clearly discourages this configuration. However I am considering
giving it a try too when the VGs are available. Several people have
tried it without the VGs and reported bad results, but survived, and duplicating
the VG installation probably limits the risk quite a bit.
>
>Bill
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=71450#71450
>
>
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| Subject: | Who's going to the Rudder Workshop next week? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt@yahoo.com>
Hi Thread Friends,
My wife has finally warmed up to the idea of building a plane, and we're signed
up for the Rudder Workshop next week.
Who else is going?
Any recommendations or tips from those who've gone before us?
Thanks,
- PatrickW
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| Subject: | Re: Who's going to the Rudder Workshop next week? |
Yeah - take your checkbook.
Michael in NH
do not archive
On 10/31/06, PatrickW <pwhoyt@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Thread Friends,
>
> My wife has finally warmed up to the idea of building a plane, and we're
> signed up for the Rudder Workshop next week.
>
> Who else is going?
>
> Any recommendations or tips from those who've gone before us?
>
> Thanks,
>
> - PatrickW
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=71455#71455
>
>
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| Subject: | long range tanks fuel selector valve |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
I've thought about pumps instead of valves to select tanks (or feed a header
tank). One problem I see is with a loss of the electrical system. A
magneto-based engine will keep running without external electrical power and
with a mechanical fuel pump (or gravity feed) won't need power for
electrical fuel pumps. But without a mechanical valve (or valves) you won't
have access to all your tanks (or possibly any tanks).
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Who's going to the Rudder Workshop next week? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Danny Offill" <doffill@cableone.net>
I attended the August rudder workshop and had a great time. I learned a lot
and recommend it highly. Everyone at the factory was helpful and pleasant.
Danny
working on stabilizer
Van Alstyne, Texas
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of PatrickW
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 8:49 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Who's going to the Rudder Workshop next week?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt@yahoo.com>
Hi Thread Friends,
My wife has finally warmed up to the idea of building a plane, and we're
signed up for the Rudder Workshop next week.
Who else is going?
Any recommendations or tips from those who've gone before us?
Thanks,
- PatrickW
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Dave,
About 75 F in Amado AZ. Great morning at the airport working on airplane in
T shirt and shorts. Did wear sweat shirt when I arrived at 06:30 as the sun
was just coming up and it was about 45F. Typical for Nov and part of Dec.
Might get cold in late Dec, Jan and early Feb. Ha.
Don't forget to put Do Not Archive for non airplane stuff. Hope it does not
rain in OR.
--
Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 600 Taildragger
Amado, AZ
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| Subject: | long range tanks fuel selector valve |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>> Have you considered cascading 2 levels of standard 3 way selectors?
That sounds like a false economy to me - mishandling multiple tanks causes a
lot of accidents. I'd spring for the valve.
Andair's 4 tank valve (FS20x8M) appears to cost about $279 direct from
Andair: www.andair.co.uk. I'm in the US and have successfully ordered from
their UK web site.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | More basic battery explosion |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
They should be maroon Scotch Brite pads... Just joking, I won't go there.
The solenoids are completely sealed so they can and in most applications
are, attached to the outside of the battery box.
Years ago I got my first amateur radio VHF radio..... Now I'm talking about
close to a 50 pound box in the back of my big V8 station wagon. I had to be
very careful not to broadcast too long because the thirsty tubes in that old
45 rig could suck a battery, any battery, dry in short order. That old rig
had lots of open relay contacts and more than one Mountie lost the whole
back of his car when the spark from those relays was able to ignite a whiff
of gas from any small leak in the gas tank.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Zed Smith
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 7:15 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: More basic battery explosion
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
>
> You'll need to stuff two or three green Scotch Brite pads in
> between the battery and nearby solenoid to soak up the
> escaping hydrogen gas so as to prevent an explosion caused by
> non-Factory Mutual, non-approved-for-hazardous-locations,
> solenoids (regardless of duty cycle).
> This might be a bit more severe than no fuel or low coolant.
> Regards,
> Zed
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: long range tanks fuel selector valve |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>> The problem was that the dealer was not willing to abide by the
advertised price, but doubled it before delivery.
If Spruce doesn't come through (I don't know what they stock) order direct
from Andair - they stick by the prices listed on their web site. I've
ordered valves directly from them twice and the prices were correct and the
shipping to the US not significant. It is especially useful to order custom
configurations from them and their web site has a series of slick screens
that allow you to build your valve.
No, I don't work for them.
www.andair.co.uk
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: long range tanks fuel selector valve |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff " <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
Dan,
The list has changed personalities recently, but for years the oft
repeated advice was to push fuel and not to pull it. The rationale was that
pulling it could cause vapor lock. Search the archives for lots of posts on
this. The advice was to place the fuel pump as close to the tank as
possible being careful to measure how high the pump would lift the fuel to
where it was going. Depending on the pump, the pressure may only be in the
range of 2 to 4 pounds (PSI). The bing carby likes about 3 for instance.
Jeff Davidson
One suggestion was to use fuel pumps and check valves for each tank. I
don't like that solution. I'd rather the fuel pumps (there will be a main
and backup) pull the fuel from the tanks rather than push. I'd rather not
have the fuel under pressure going through the cabin. Just my preference..
it seams safer.
Dan
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| Subject: | long range tanks fuel selector valve |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff " <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
Craig,
Jabiru for instance puts the electric pump and mechanical engine
fuel pump in series. There have been several reports on this list of
builders that only use the electrical pump for take-off & landing. The
mechanical pump can be enough in normal flight. The Facet pumps are made
for continuous operation however, so you can have it both ways if you want.
If the power goes, you are down to what some folks normally rely on: the
mechanical pump.
In the configuration that was referred to, the lines from both tanks
were open to the engine through a T or Y, but only the tank with the
operating fuel pump was pushing fuel up to the engine. The problem as I saw
it was how to cut off the fuel to the engine during emergency procedures
without a selector or cut-off valve.
Jeff Davidson
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
I've thought about pumps instead of valves to select tanks (or feed a header
tank). One problem I see is with a loss of the electrical system. A
magneto-based engine will keep running without external electrical power and
with a mechanical fuel pump (or gravity feed) won't need power for
electrical fuel pumps. But without a mechanical valve (or valves) you won't
have access to all your tanks (or possibly any tanks).
-- Craig
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| Subject: | long range tanks fuel selector valve |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Isn't it possible that with one electric pump pushing and the other not the
pull from the mechanical pump would draw from both tanks? This depends on
just which Facet pump is used. Some have check-valves, some have anti-siphon
valves, some have both, some have neither:
www.facet-purolator.com/mcl/media/technology/hd_pdfs/Cubed_Solid.pdf
I just find a system with a selector valve simpler.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: 701 no slats again |
Hello list, It is unlikely that a non slat wing will have the climb angle of
a slatted wing. If you disagree with the Heintz design then do your own then
you will understand.
John Read
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