---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 11/05/06: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 03:00 AM - Re: Re: Nose Rib Forming Block (Monty Graves) 2. 06:27 AM - Re: Electric flap actuator (N5SL) 3. 07:39 AM - Electric flap actuator 2" travel ? (Big Gee) 4. 08:14 AM - Re: Re :701 Stut fairings (Bob & Karen Risch) 5. 09:21 AM - 601 copies or vice versa (Ron DeWees) 6. 10:08 AM - Hinge bracket size, 7-A-1-5 (JERICKSON03E@aol.com) 7. 11:38 AM - Re: Flap Actuator () 8. 01:02 PM - 601XL down (LarryMcFarland) 9. 01:02 PM - Re: Hinge bracket size, 7-A-1-5 (Bob Percival) 10. 02:26 PM - Re: Antenna(s) (Eddie G.) 11. 03:09 PM - Re: 601 copies or vice versa (George Swinford) 12. 03:59 PM - Re: 601XL down (Juan Vega) 13. 04:11 PM - Re: Hinge bracket size, 7-A-1-5 (Ron Lendon) 14. 04:42 PM - 601XL - Picking up Tail Kit from factory? (PatrickW) 15. 04:51 PM - Re: Re :701 Stut fairings (n801bh@netzero.com) 16. 04:55 PM - Re: 601XL down (n801bh@netzero.com) 17. 05:10 PM - Re: 601XL - Picking up Tail Kit from factory? (Robin Bellach) 18. 05:34 PM - Re: 601XL - Picking up Tail Kit from factory? (Edward Moody II) 19. 05:39 PM - Re: 601XL down (Edward Moody II) 20. 05:52 PM - Tach for 601XL and 2 pics of the day (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 21. 10:06 PM - Re: Tach for 601XL and 2 pics of the day (Craig Payne) 22. 11:00 PM - Re: Re: Flap Actuator (Craig Moore) 23. 11:26 PM - Re: Re: Flap Actuator (Craig Payne) 24. 11:35 PM - Re: Re: Antenna(s) (Bryan Martin) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 03:00:01 AM PST US From: Monty Graves Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Nose Rib Forming Block --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves sink counter top cutouts make good form blocks......the formica is hard enough, and makes a good edge the 1/8 inch radius is easily filed or sanded on the formica...... Monty >I did like the idea of masonite though, or maybe a formica layer instead >of aluminum. > >This list is invaluable! > >Doug > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=72306#72306 > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:05 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Electric flap actuator Hi Paul:=0A=0AI know this can be confusing, but in my explaination below I didn't mention that you use the same flap travel as shown in the plans. Th e only thing you change is the linkage so that when the flap travels the co rrect amount of travel (shown in the plans) that it uses up all of the trav el of the actuator. =0A=0AThe way you do this is to lengthen the arm on th e torque tube that is inside the fuselage and manipulate the length of the actuator (make an extension) so that the uses up all the travel while the f laps travel the specified path as shown on the drawings. I used an actuato r with 4" of travel becuase it was given to me and it works. If you can do the same thing with 2" of travel, then that will work too.=0A=0AClear as m ud?=0A=0AScott Laughlin=0AOmaha, Nebraska=0Awww.cooknwithgas.com=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "paulrod36@msn.com" =0A =0AIt seems to me that with a 4-inch stroke you just wind up with more =0A =0Aflap than you'd need, as in 45 or 50 degrees travel, instead of 40 degre es. =0A=0ACould make for an impressively short landing roll????????=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A Paul Rodriguez=0A=0A=0A601XL/Corvair=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ----- Origin al Message ----- =0A=0A=0A From: N5SL =0A=0A=0A To: zenith-list@matronics .com =0A=0A=0A Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 9:31 =0A=0A AM=0A=0A=0A S ubject: Re: Zenith-List: Electric flap =0A=0A actuator=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A Jean-Paul:=0A=0AAll you have to do is =0A=0A design the linka ge so that when the actuator extends fully, you have a fully =0A=0A extend ed flap. Likewise when the actuator travels the other way and =0A=0A reac hes the limit, the flap is fully retracted. This was very easy to do =0A =0A and the result is a light, maintenance-free unit. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:39 AM PST US From: Big Gee Subject: Zenith-List: Electric flap actuator 2" travel ? Scott, Paul and all=0A=0AIn looking at page 6-B-19 (08/03) diagram in lo wer left corner it appears to me (and I could be wrong) that if you use an actuator with only 2'' of travel; the actuator or flap actuator rod ( 6-B -19-7) will hit on 6-B-5-2 before the actuator is fully extended or before "flaps full down" position. I could be wrong (my wings and flaps are off at this time) but I think the actuator travel as per the expensive (ZAC ) actuator is about 2 3/4 inches. Therefore you would have to lower the ho le in 6-B19-3 (flap control arm) if using an actuator with 2 inches of tra vel.=0AAgain, I could be wrong, but I just wanted to mention this so someon e dosn't order an actuator and than not be able to use it. Also (my opini on only) using a 2 inch travel actautor might make the flap travel speed qu icker than what some folks would like. My above post definately belongs i n the: "for what it is worth department.=0AFritz--- 601XL- 90/90--Corvair =0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: N5SL =0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, November 5, 200 6 9:25:54 AM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: Electric flap actuator=0A=0A=0AHi Paul:=0A=0AI know this can be confusing, but in my explaination below I did n't mention that you use the same flap travel as shown in the plans. The o nly thing you change is the linkage so that when the flap travels the corre ct amount of travel (shown in the plans) that it uses up all of the travel of the actuator. =0A=0AThe way you do this is to lengthen the arm on the t orque tube that is inside the fuselage and manipulate the length of the act uator (make an extension) so that the uses up all the travel while the flap s travel the specified path as shown on the drawings. I used an actuator w ith 4" of travel becuase it was given to me and it works. If you can do th e same thing with 2" of travel, then that will work too.=0A=0AClear as mud? =0A=0AScott Laughlin=0AOmaha, Nebraska=0Awww.cooknwithgas.com=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "paulrod36@msn.com" =0A =0A=0AIt seems to me that with a 4-inch stroke you just wind up with more f lap than you'd need, as in 45 or 50 degrees travel, instead of 40 degrees. Could make for an impressively short landing roll????????=0A Paul Rodriguez =0A601XL/Corvair=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: N5SL =0ATo: zenith -list@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, November 03, 2006 9:31 AM=0ASubject: R e: Zenith-List: Electric flap actuator=0A=0A=0AJean-Paul:=0A=0AAll you have to do is design the linkage so that when the actuator extends fully, you h ave a fully extended flap. Likewise when the actuator travels the other wa y and reaches the limit, the flap is fully retracted. This was very easy t o do and the result is a light, maintenance-free unit. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ===0A=0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:57 AM PST US From: Bob & Karen Risch Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re :701 Stut fairings --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bob & Karen Risch I did install the strut fairings on my 801 using the kit from Zenith. A time-consuming project - especially the pieces at the tops of the struts where they connect to the wing. My final product did not look much like the pictures in the instructions but I am pleased with the results anyway. Unfortunately I did not plan for rigorous testing but my first reaction with them installed was something like: whoaa......... I am glad I did this!!! I would peg the gain at 4-5 mph at both cruise and top end. Still not a speed burner but every bit helps with this plane. Part of the uncertainty was the earlier installation of the larger tail which may have cost me a mile or two an hour. The fairings certainly more than made up for that loss however. Bob Risch 801BK ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:21 AM PST US From: Ron DeWees Subject: Zenith-List: 601 copies or vice versa --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ron DeWees > > Brad-- in the short run I tend to agree with you but aren't you glad that customers of the Robbins Bebe Jodel did't say the same thing? There wouldn't be a viable Zenith Aircraft Corp. Chris was less established and experienced than the designers of the Jodel. Sometimes newer IS better. BTW the Jodel D9 has a stall speed about 15 mph lower than the metalized CH series. I think aircraft history is full of similar designs. Some make it to the marketplace and most don't. > Ron DeWees > Time: 07:47:10 AM PST US > From: Rosalie DeMeo > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601 copies or vice versa? > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rosalie DeMeo > > Why mess with a copy when you can buy the real deal? Safety and > experience are my primary concern. I would rather by from Chris Heintz' > company than any copycat. If the copycat would shortcut design and > research steps, what else has he shortcutted? > > Brad > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:57 AM PST US From: JERICKSON03E@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Hinge bracket size, 7-A-1-5 Will a builder with a late set of plans please check the width and thickness of the Hinge Bracket angle material? It may now be .125 X 1.00 ? Older plans show 3/4 X .093. Thanks, Jerry ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:38:38 AM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Flap Actuator Thanks, guys, for the insight. When the time comes I shall whip out my old geometry book, or lay it out on the tabletop with protractor and ruler, and proceed to make the proper arm in my usual fashion. (let's see....two plates of 3/4 inch 4130, six pounds of welding wire, a piec e of 1-inch allthread, eight heavy-duty lug nuts, one locomotive drive gear, and that old anvil for a mounting plate.........fly from the ri ght seat to avoid being caught in the machinery.........=0ADo Not A rchive=0A=0APaul Rodriguez=0A601XL/Corvair ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:02:54 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL down --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland Hi guys, This is forwarded from Cy Galley for your information. I don't know more than what's here. *Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com * Fair Oaks couple die as craft explodes south of Yuba City By Deepa Ranganathan - Bee Staff Writer Published 12:00 am PST Sunday, November 5, 2006 Story appeared in METRO section, Page B1 Debris from a downed two-seater aircraft awaits removal on Saturday from a prune orchard south of Yuba City. Donald J. and Adeline E. Dennehey of Fair Oaks were killed in the crash. Parts of the plane, which took off from Sacramento Mather Airport, were scattered hundreds of feet apart. Sacramento Bee/Lezlie Sterling A Fair Oaks couple were killed Saturday morning when their single-engine plane crashed in a prune orchard south of Yuba City. Donald J. and Adeline E. Dennehey died when the plane apparently exploded in midair about 11:40 a.m., according to a Sutter County Sheriff's Department spokeswoman. The cause of the accident is unknown. The pilot was not in touch with air traffic control before the crash, said Ian Gregor, a spokesman for the Federal Aviation Administration. "That's not unusual," he said. "It's not a congested area, and they were flying under visual flight rules. The rule is see and be seen." Donald Dennehey was flying a Zodiac CH601 XL, a light two-seater that was manufactured by the Zenith Aircraft Co. of Mexico, Mo. The aircraft was not home-built, authorities said. The plane took off from Sacramento Mather Airport and was headed for Willows-Glenn County Airport, about 80 miles north of Sacramento, Gregor said. The crash occurred 15 miles south of downtown Yuba City, in a rural area of rice fields and fruit orchards. Witnesses said they heard the plane overhead, its engine coughing and sputtering. Then came a loud bang, followed by a screeching, metallic sound as the plane hit the muddy earth near Wilson and Major roads. Mangled parts of the plane -- a wing here, the engine there -- were scattered hundreds of feet apart in a prune orchard belonging to Rick and Joyce Magenheimer. "It was like a bomb going off," said neighbor David Waters, who said he saw the plane falling and called 911. "The wings came off the fuselage. They were falling like a feather, floating and spiraling down." Lightweight metal parts fluttered in the air for nearly half a minute, said Eric Kalb, who works on the Magenheimers' farm. Kalb said he took cover under a truck trailer. "I saw sheet metal pieces, two feet by one foot, flying in the air," he said. The Sutter County Sheriff's Department removed the bodies from the orchard about 4:30 p.m., said Capt. Dave Samson. The plane did not catch fire, and it appears the Denneheys died either in the explosion or upon hitting the ground, he said. The Sheriff's Department, the FAA and the National Transportation Safety Board are investigating the crash. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:02:54 PM PST US From: "Bob Percival" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Hinge bracket size, 7-A-1-5 I received my plans this past January. They show =BE x .093. How recently was this supposed to have changed? Bob Percival -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JERICKSON03E@aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 11:08 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Hinge bracket size, 7-A-1-5 Will a builder with a late set of plans please check the width and thickness of the Hinge Bracket angle material? It may now be .125 X 1.00 ? Older plans show 3/4 X .093. Thanks, Jerry ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:26:03 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Antenna(s) From: "Eddie G." --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eddie G." Can a pair of whip antennas be mounted inside the horizontal stabilizer's tips, connected with a coax cable and tapped off in the center? Or is the distance between the two whips and the impedance of the coax connecting them just too much to work right? As for the beacon, I like flying at night, but it's very annoying when a plane taxis opposite of me and makes me go blind with its high intesity strobes. So, to be nice to the other pilots I just hit my strobes when I take the runway and turn them off when I get off the active (my CFI who now works for Flight Safety pounded that into my head!!). I picked up a $6 lightweight cone type semi-truck decorative light which I think with a little digital flip-flop circuit I can turn it into a beacon to use as anti-collision light at night. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=72449#72449 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:30 PM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 copies or vice versa X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" Just to throw a little actual history into this discussion: The Bebe Jodel (Jodel D-9) was designed by a couple of Frenchmen, Joly and Delamontez, just after WW2. It was a single place all-wood, low wing, open cockpit taildragger. The original power plant was a 25hp VW engine left behind by the Germans. Hundreds were homebuilt and some were produced by small factories. Plans are still available. Avions Pierre Robin built a series of derivatives of the Jodel D-11, which was a wooden 2-place side-by-side cabin airplane. Both the D-9 and D-11 had a flat center section with sharply tapered upturned wingtips and an all-movable vertical tail. Pierre Robin switched to all-metal construction with the HR100, a two-place side-by-side low wing cabin airplane which did not look like a Jodel. It is my understanding that the "H" in the designation stood for Heintz, since Chris was the designer. When Chris moved to Canada he designed the O-200 powered CH200 and it's derivatives, the CH250 and 300 as homebuilt airplanes. These airplanes had a strong external resemblance to the HR100. The CH 601 series has only a general resemblance to the earlier CH200 series and many features of the internal structure are different. The one design feature that relates the CH series to the early Jodels is the all movable vertical tail. (Some of the later Robin-built Jodel derivatives had a fixed vertical fin.) The point here is that the CH601XL is a long way from the little Bebe Jodel, and comparisons between the two don't mean much. George Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron DeWees" "mail=mstewart1023@hotmail.com" Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 9:20 AM Subject: Zenith-List: 601 copies or vice versa > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ron DeWees > > > > > Brad-- in the short run I tend to agree with you but aren't you glad that customers of the Robbins Bebe Jodel did't say the same thing? There wouldn't be a viable Zenith Aircraft Corp. Chris was less established and experienced than the designers of the Jodel. Sometimes newer IS better. BTW the Jodel D9 has a stall speed about 15 mph lower than the metalized CH series. I think aircraft history is full of similar designs. Some make it to the marketplace and most don't. > > > Ron DeWees > > Time: 07:47:10 AM PST US > > From: Rosalie DeMeo > > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601 copies or vice versa? > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rosalie DeMeo > > > > Why mess with a copy when you can buy the real deal? Safety and > > experience are my primary concern. I would rather by from Chris Heintz' > > company than any copycat. If the copycat would shortcut design and > > research steps, what else has he shortcutted? > > > > Brad > > > > > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:04 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL down X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega how unfortunate it sounds like a certified 601. Sounds like a cylender problem on a lycoming, blowing a piston, who lnows at this point. May God bless them. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: LarryMcFarland >Sent: Nov 5, 2006 4:01 PM >To: zenith-list >Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL down > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland > > > Hi guys, > > > This is forwarded from Cy Galley for your information. I don't know > more than what's here. > > >*Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > >* > > > Fair Oaks couple die as craft explodes south of Yuba City > > > By Deepa Ranganathan - Bee Staff Writer > >Published 12:00 am PST Sunday, November 5, 2006 >Story appeared in METRO section, Page B1 > > >Debris from a downed two-seater aircraft awaits removal on Saturday from >a prune orchard south of Yuba City. Donald J. and Adeline E. Dennehey of >Fair Oaks were killed in the crash. Parts of the plane, which took off >from Sacramento Mather Airport, were scattered hundreds of feet apart. >Sacramento Bee/Lezlie Sterling > >A Fair Oaks couple were killed Saturday morning when their single-engine >plane crashed in a prune orchard south of Yuba City. > >Donald J. and Adeline E. Dennehey died when the plane apparently >exploded in midair about 11:40 a.m., according to a Sutter County >Sheriff's Department spokeswoman. The cause of the accident is unknown. >The pilot was not in touch with air traffic control before the crash, >said Ian Gregor, a spokesman for the Federal Aviation Administration. > >"That's not unusual," he said. "It's not a congested area, and they were >flying under visual flight rules. The rule is see and be seen." > >Donald Dennehey was flying a Zodiac CH601 XL, a light two-seater that >was manufactured by the Zenith Aircraft Co. of Mexico, Mo. The aircraft >was not home-built, authorities said. > >The plane took off from Sacramento Mather Airport and was headed for >Willows-Glenn County Airport, about 80 miles north of Sacramento, Gregor >said. > >The crash occurred 15 miles south of downtown Yuba City, in a rural area >of rice fields and fruit orchards. > >Witnesses said they heard the plane overhead, its engine coughing and >sputtering. > >Then came a loud bang, followed by a screeching, metallic sound as the >plane hit the muddy earth near Wilson and Major roads. > >Mangled parts of the plane -- a wing here, the engine there -- were >scattered hundreds of feet apart in a prune orchard belonging to Rick >and Joyce Magenheimer. > >"It was like a bomb going off," said neighbor David Waters, who said he >saw the plane falling and called 911. "The wings came off the fuselage. >They were falling like a feather, floating and spiraling down." > >Lightweight metal parts fluttered in the air for nearly half a minute, >said Eric Kalb, who works on the Magenheimers' farm. Kalb said he took >cover under a truck trailer. > >"I saw sheet metal pieces, two feet by one foot, flying in the air," he >said. > >The Sutter County Sheriff's Department removed the bodies from the >orchard about 4:30 p.m., said Capt. Dave Samson. > >The plane did not catch fire, and it appears the Denneheys died either >in the explosion or upon hitting the ground, he said. > >The Sheriff's Department, the FAA and the National Transportation Safety >Board are investigating the crash. > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:01 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Hinge bracket size, 7-A-1-5 From: "Ron Lendon" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" Looking at the ZENITH Builder pages this appears to be the latest update 7-A-1 01/04 FLAPERON RIBS, SPAR, HINGE BRACKETS -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=72479#72479 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:08 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL - Picking up Tail Kit from factory? From: "PatrickW" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "PatrickW" I'll be visiting the Zenith factory during an upcoming Rudder Workshop, and I'd like to pick up the remainder of the tail kit while I'm there. Question: What are the approximate dimensions of the tail kit? Is it unreasonable to expect to fit the completed rudder, plus the remainder of the tail kit, in the trunk of a car? I'm guessing that the stabilizer spars are about 7 feet or so in length. The rear seats of my car fold down, and I have carried several 8 foot two-by-fours in the trunk of this car in the past (laid down between the front seats through the back seat through the trunk) - so I think I'll be ok. Just looking for a sanity check here. Picking up the tail kit while I'm there will save me on crating and shipping charges. I tried searching the archives, but maybe I didn't come up with anything for just the tail kit. Thanks, - PatrickW Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=72480#72480 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:44 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re :701 Stut fairings X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Thanks for the feedback Bob,, are they sturdy enough to push on?? do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- Bob & Karen Risch wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bob & Karen Risch I did install the strut fairings on my 801 using the kit from Zenith. A time-consuming project - especially the pieces at the tops of the struts where they connect to the wing. My final product did not look much like the pictures in the instructions but I am pleased with the results anyway. Unfortunately I did not plan for rigorous testing but my first reaction with them installed was something like: whoaa......... I am glad I did this!!! I would peg the gain at 4-5 mph at both cruise and top end. Still not a speed burner but every bit helps with this plane. Part of the uncertainty was the earlier installation of the larger tail which may have cost me a mile or two an hour. The fairings certainly more than made up for that loss however. Bob Risch 801BK ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== ===========

Thanks for the feedback Bob,, are they sturdy enough to push on ??

do not archive


Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair .com

-- Bob & Karen Risch <bkrisc h@ouraynet.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message&n bsp;posted by: Bob & Karen Risch <b krisch@ouraynet.com>

I did install the str ut fairings on my 801 using the kit&n bsp;from Zenith.  
A time-consuming project& nbsp;- especially the pieces at the tops&n bsp;of the  
struts where they connect& nbsp;to the wing. My final product did&nbs p;not look  
much like the pictures&nbs p;in the instructions but I am pleased&nbs p;with the  
results anyway. Unfortunately&n bsp;I did not plan for rigorous testing&nb sp;but  
my first reaction with them&nb sp;installed was something like:   
who aa......... I am glad I did this!!! I  would peg the gain at 4-5  
mph at both cruise and top end. Still  not a speed burner but every  < BR>bit helps with this plane. Part of  ;the uncertainty was the earlier  
inst allation of the larger tail which may  ;have cost me a mile or two  
an hour. The fairings certainly more than  made up for that loss however.

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________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:16 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL down X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 A very sad day in the Zenith community.. godspeed to them both.. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- Juan Vega wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega how unfortunate it sounds like a certified 601. Sounds like a cylender problem on a lycoming, blowing a piston, who lnows at this point. May G od bless them. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: LarryMcFarland >Sent: Nov 5, 2006 4:01 PM >To: zenith-list >Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL down > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland > > > Hi guys, > > > This is forwarded from Cy Galley for your information. I don't kno w > more than what's here. > > >*Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > >* > > > Fair Oaks couple die as craft explodes south of Yuba City > > > By Deepa Ranganathan - Bee Staff Writer > >Published 12:00 am PST Sunday, November 5, 2006 >Story appeared in METRO section, Page B1 > > >Debris from a downed two-seater aircraft awaits removal on Saturday fro m >a prune orchard south of Yuba City. Donald J. and Adeline E. Dennehey o f >Fair Oaks were killed in the crash. Parts of the plane, which took off >from Sacramento Mather Airport, were scattered hundreds of feet apart. >Sacramento Bee/Lezlie Sterling > >A Fair Oaks couple were killed Saturday morning when their single-engin e >plane crashed in a prune orchard south of Yuba City. > >Donald J. and Adeline E. Dennehey died when the plane apparently >exploded in midair about 11:40 a.m., according to a Sutter County >Sheriff's Department spokeswoman. The cause of the accident is unknown. >The pilot was not in touch with air traffic control before the crash, >said Ian Gregor, a spokesman for the Federal Aviation Administration. > >"That's not unusual," he said. "It's not a congested area, and they wer e >flying under visual flight rules. The rule is see and be seen." > >Donald Dennehey was flying a Zodiac CH601 XL, a light two-seater that >was manufactured by the Zenith Aircraft Co. of Mexico, Mo. The aircraft >was not home-built, authorities said. > >The plane took off from Sacramento Mather Airport and was headed for >Willows-Glenn County Airport, about 80 miles north of Sacramento, Grego r >said. > >The crash occurred 15 miles south of downtown Yuba City, in a rural are a >of rice fields and fruit orchards. > >Witnesses said they heard the plane overhead, its engine coughing and >sputtering. > >Then came a loud bang, followed by a screeching, metallic sound as the >plane hit the muddy earth near Wilson and Major roads. > >Mangled parts of the plane -- a wing here, the engine there -- were >scattered hundreds of feet apart in a prune orchard belonging to Rick >and Joyce Magenheimer. > >"It was like a bomb going off," said neighbor David Waters, who said he >saw the plane falling and called 911. "The wings came off the fuselage. >They were falling like a feather, floating and spiraling down." > >Lightweight metal parts fluttered in the air for nearly half a minute, >said Eric Kalb, who works on the Magenheimers' farm. Kalb said he took >cover under a truck trailer. > >"I saw sheet metal pieces, two feet by one foot, flying in the air," he >said. > >The Sutter County Sheriff's Department removed the bodies from the >orchard about 4:30 p.m., said Capt. Dave Samson. > >The plane did not catch fire, and it appears the Denneheys died either >in the explosion or upon hitting the ground, he said. > >The Sheriff's Department, the FAA and the National Transportation Safet y >Board are investigating the crash. > > ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== ===========

A very sad day in the Zenith community.. godspeed to them both. .

do not archive


Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair .com

-- Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net> ; wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted b y: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>

how  unfortunate it sounds like a certified&nb sp;601.  Sounds like a cylender problem&nb sp;on a lycoming, blowing a piston, who&nb sp;lnows at this point.  May God bles s them.

Juan

-----Original Message-----
>F rom: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
>Sent:  Nov 5, 2006 4:01 PM
>To: zenith-lis t <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-Lis t: 601XL down
>
>--> Zenith-List mess age posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine. com>
>
>
>    Hi guys,
>
>
>    This is forwarded& nbsp;from Cy Galley for your information.   I don't know
>    more th an what's here.
>
>
>*Larry McFarland&n bsp;- 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
>*
& gt;
>
>    Fair Oaks couple&nb sp;die as craft explodes south of Yuba&nbs p;City
>
>
>      By&nbs p;Deepa Ranganathan - Bee Staff Writer
>< BR>>Published 12:00 am PST Sunday, November& nbsp;5, 2006
>Story appeared in METRO sec tion, Page B1
>
>
>Debris from a&n bsp;downed two-seater aircraft awaits removal o n Saturday from 
>a prune orchard so uth of Yuba City. Donald J. and Adeli ne E. Dennehey of 
>Fair Oaks were&n bsp;killed in the crash. Parts of the  ;plane, which took off 
>from Sacramento& nbsp;Mather Airport, were scattered hundreds of  feet apart. 
>Sacramento Bee/Lezlie Ster ling
>
>A Fair Oaks couple were kil led Saturday morning when their single-engine&n bsp;
>plane crashed in a prune orchard&nb sp;south of Yuba City.
>
>Donald J.  ;and Adeline E. Dennehey died when the&nbs p;plane apparently 
>exploded in midair a bout 11:40 a.m., according to a Sutter&nbs p;County 
>Sheriff's Department spokeswoman. T he cause of the accident is unknown. 
>The pilot was not in touch with&nb sp;air traffic control before the crash, < BR>>said Ian Gregor, a spokesman for th e Federal Aviation Administration.
>
>"That's  not unusual," he said. "It's not a&n bsp;congested area, and they were 
>flyin g under visual flight rules. The rule  ;is see and be seen."
>
>Donald Den nehey was flying a Zodiac CH601 XL, a  light two-seater that 
>was manufactured  by the Zenith Aircraft Co. of Mexico , Mo. The aircraft 
>was not home-bu ilt, authorities said.
>
>The plane took  off from Sacramento Mather Airport and&nb sp;was headed for 
>Willows-Glenn County  Airport, about 80 miles north of Sacrament o, Gregor 
>said.
>
>The crash occ urred 15 miles south of downtown Yuba  ;City, in a rural area 
>of rice&nbs p;fields and fruit orchards.
>
>Witnesses&nbs p;said they heard the plane overhead, its& nbsp;engine coughing and 
>sputtering.
>
& gt;Then came a loud bang, followed by  ;a screeching, metallic sound as the 
& gt;plane hit the muddy earth near Wilson&n bsp;and Major roads.
>
>Mangled parts of  the plane -- a wing here, the e ngine there -- were 
>scattered hundreds& nbsp;of feet apart in a prune orchard  ;belonging to Rick 
>and Joyce Magenheime r.
>
>"It was like a bomb going&nbs p;off," said neighbor David Waters, who sa id he 
>saw the plane falling and&nb sp;called 911. "The wings came off the&nbs p;fuselage. 
>They were falling like a&nb sp;feather, floating and spiraling down."
>
>Lightweight metal parts fluttered in the&n bsp;air for nearly half a minute, 
> said Eric Kalb, who works on the Mage nheimers' farm. Kalb said he took 
> cover under a truck trailer.
>
>"I  saw sheet metal pieces, two feet by o ne foot, flying in the air," he 
& gt;said.
>
>The Sutter County Sheriff's  Department removed the bodies from the 
>orchard about 4:30 p.m., said Capt. D ave Samson.
>
>The plane did not ca tch fire, and it appears the Denneheys&nbs p;died either 
>in the explosion or  upon hitting the ground, he said.
>
&g t;The Sheriff's Department, the FAA and th e National Transportation Safety 
>Board  are investigating the crash.
>
>
>
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________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:37 PM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL - Picking up Tail Kit from factory? X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> There's nothing over 8 feet. You should have no problem at all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "PatrickW" Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 6:40 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL - Picking up Tail Kit from factory? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "PatrickW" > > I'll be visiting the Zenith factory during an upcoming Rudder Workshop, > and I'd like to pick up the remainder of the tail kit while I'm there. > > Question: What are the approximate dimensions of the tail kit? Is it > unreasonable to expect to fit the completed rudder, plus the remainder of > the tail kit, in the trunk of a car? I'm guessing that the stabilizer > spars are about 7 feet or so in length. > > The rear seats of my car fold down, and I have carried several 8 foot > two-by-fours in the trunk of this car in the past (laid down between the > front seats through the back seat through the trunk) - so I think I'll be > ok. > > Just looking for a sanity check here. Picking up the tail kit while I'm > there will save me on crating and shipping charges. > > I tried searching the archives, but maybe I didn't come up with anything > for just the tail kit. > > Thanks, > > - PatrickW > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=72480#72480 > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:27 PM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL - Picking up Tail Kit from factory? X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 This sounds do-able. Inform the Zenith folks ahead of time with details of your space available so they can box the smaller parts for you and bundle the long parts separately. Ed Moody II Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: PatrickW To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 6:40 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL - Picking up Tail Kit from factory? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "PatrickW" I'll be visiting the Zenith factory during an upcoming Rudder Workshop, and I'd like to pick up the remainder of the tail kit while I'm there. Question: What are the approximate dimensions of the tail kit? Is it unreasonable to expect to fit the completed rudder, plus the remainder of the tail kit, in the trunk of a car? I'm guessing that the stabilizer spars are about 7 feet or so in length. The rear seats of my car fold down, and I have carried several 8 foot two-by-fours in the trunk of this car in the past (laid down between the front seats through the back seat through the trunk) - so I think I'll be ok. Just looking for a sanity check here. Picking up the tail kit while I'm there will save me on crating and shipping charges. I tried searching the archives, but maybe I didn't come up with anything for just the tail kit. Thanks, - PatrickW Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=72480#72480 -- 11/4/2006 5:30 PM ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:18 PM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL down X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Very sad indeed. Do any of our listers know this couple? They probably did not participate in the list since they were not builders but we have Zenith builders in SoCal, don't we? Ed Moody II Rayne, LA 601XL/Jabiru/cabin area Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:32 PM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Tach for 601XL and 2 pics of the day X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5031 Hi Guys and Gals Does anyone know where to get the tach for the corvair powered 601's? I am looking for the one that uses the counts the flywheel teeth. I have just installed the fuel pumps, selector, pressure gauge and fuel quantity gauges and wanted to send the PICS. Hope they aren't too big. Jeff ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:54 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Tach for 601XL and 2 pics of the day If you search William Wynne's web site for "Stewart Warner" you get this: " We use a Stewart Warner tach. The one we have installed in our 601 is a 0-3,500rpm unit, which has a full sweep, allowing you to clearly see a 25rpm difference. Because it works by counting flywheel teeth, it is entirely divorced from the ignition system. The Stewart Warner part no. is 82636. If you look at our 601 Web Page , you'll see the tooth counter attached to the front alternator bracket. I've used this tach in many Corvair powered airplanes over the years. I like it because it has very smooth operation, and it is extremely accurate when checked against our digital optical tachometer. " (http://www.flycorvair.com/email030605.html) Googling on "Stewart Warner diesel tachometer" found a few possible vendors but not that exact part number: www.vehiclecontrols.com www.lspeedo.com Aircraft Spruce has a 3500 RPM electronic tachometer made by ISS (I'm not certain what tooth counts it supports), P/N 10-01076. Scott Laughlin is using a ISSPRO 3 3/8 inch programmable tach that goes to 4000 RPM. It looks like it can accommodate up to 255 pulses per revolution: http://www.isspro.com. These may be easier to find than the Stewart Warner parts: www.dieselpage.com/iss8.htm www.egauges.com/vdo_ind.asp?Type=Tachometer &Series=EVA&PN=R5535M Scott tried the MSD GMR ignition wire pickup with this but without success. I believe he is trying another gear-tooth sensor. Also there is this from from Gerry Scampoli in the CorvAircraft list archives (April 28, 2006): I've had a few inquiries about the sensor that I supplied WW to use with his diesel engine tach on the 'vair powered 601XL that he built. This is the one that WW is now using and is currently recommending to corvair conversion builders. It's made by Contrex, Inc. in Maple Grove MN. Almost any large industrial bearing and drive wholesaler can supply one of these sensors. The part number is 5800-1412 and the description is "sensor mag. pick-up smooth." Just check with the supplier to make certain that they are a Contrex dealer, or check the Contrex web site for a local distributor. www.contrexinc.com I have been paying $27.75 each for these sensors, but I have heard that they can be had for a little less at some distributors. Stewart Warner gets over $70.00 for their magnetic pickup and it is four times the size, twice the weight, and in my limited experience, not as accurate. (http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/index.jsp) -- Craig ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:00:54 PM PST US From: Craig Moore Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Flap Actuator Paul, No need to do all that. Go here and download the demo of SAM 5.1. Linkage and mechanism design software. http://www.artas.nl/ Best regards, Craig Moore A&P 701 builder wannabe Mancelona, MI --- paulrod36@msn.com wrote: > Thanks, guys, for the insight. When the time comes I > shall whip out my old geometry book, or lay it out > on the tabletop with protractor and ruler, and > proceed to make the proper arm in my usual fashion. > (let's see....two plates of 3/4 inch 4130, six > pounds of welding wire, a piece of 1-inch allthread, > eight heavy-duty lug nuts, one locomotive drive > gear, and that old anvil for a mounting > plate.........fly from the right seat to avoid being > caught in the machinery......... > Do Not Archive > > Paul Rodriguez > 601XL/Corvair Sponsored Link Free Uniden 5.8GHz Phone System with Packet8 Internet Phone Service http://www.getpacket8.net/yahoo2
________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:26:45 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Flap Actuator Nice! I've installed it and looked through the help-screens and web site but can't find the limitations of the demo. Do you know what they are? -- Craig ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:34 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Antenna(s) I don't think this would work very well, not because of the distance between or the impedance of the coax but because of the radiation pattern of a whip antenna. A whip antenna has sharp nulls in its pattern directly off the ends of the whip. If you put the antennas inside the stabilizer tips, each antenna would only be able to pick up signals from one side of the plane due to the shielding effect of the aluminum stabilizer so one antenna wouldn't be able to fill in the gaps of the other's radiation pattern. The antennas would have to be mounted with the tip pointed either forward or aft, so you would have basically zero reception forward or aft. A whip antenna also requires a ground plane with a radius of about the same as the length of the whip. To get decent omnidirectional reception of the horizontally polarized VOR signal you need a half-wave dipole mounted horizontally. This is basically two quarter-wave elements mounted end to end with the feed line connected at the center. If the elements were mounted at 180 degrees to each other they would have the same sharp nulls off the ends as the whip antenna. Mounting them at an angle of about 120 degrees or so eliminates the nulls and you have a true omnidirectional pattern. Another thing to note is that a dipole antenna is a balanced load and a coax cable is an unbalanced feeder, so a balun is needed to match the coax to the antenna. With a metal airframe, you are pretty much stuck with mounting your antennas externally. On Nov 5, 2006, at 5:24 PM, Eddie G. wrote: > > > Can a pair of whip antennas be mounted inside the horizontal > stabilizer's tips, connected with a coax cable and tapped off in > the center? Or is the distance between the two whips and the > impedance of the coax connecting them just too much to work right? > > As for the beacon, I like flying at night, but it's very annoying > when a plane taxis opposite of me and makes me go blind with its > high intesity strobes. So, to be nice to the other pilots I just > hit my strobes when I take the runway and turn them off when I get > off the active (my CFI who now works for Flight Safety pounded that > into my head!!). I picked up a $6 lightweight cone type semi-truck > decorative light which I think with a little digital flip-flop > circuit I can turn it into a beacon to use as anti-collision light > at night. >