---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/07/06: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:48 AM - Re: Re: Antenna(s) (Noel Loveys) 2. 06:03 AM - Re: Router Use 101 (j. davis) 3. 06:57 AM - Parking Brake Valve (Jaybannist@cs.com) 4. 07:17 AM - Re: Parking Brake Valve (R.P.) 5. 07:49 AM - Re: Parking Brake Valve (Jaybannist@cs.com) 6. 08:03 AM - Bending fuselage bows (Craig Payne) 7. 09:00 AM - Re: Bending fuselage bows (N601RT) 8. 09:33 AM - Re: Antenna(s) (N601RT) 9. 10:32 AM - Large format printer referral??? (Debo Cox) 10. 11:01 AM - Re: Large format printer referral??? (Craig Payne) 11. 11:06 AM - Re: Large format printer referral??? (PipercubDream@aol.com) 12. 11:22 AM - Re: Large format printer referral??? (Craig Payne) 13. 11:59 AM - Re: Parking Brake Valve (R.P.) 14. 12:03 PM - Re: 701 vs ??? (nyterminat@aol.com) 15. 12:30 PM - Re: Bending fuselage bows (N5SL) 16. 12:34 PM - Re: Parking Brake Valve (Gig Giacona) 17. 12:37 PM - Re: Antenna(s) (Gig Giacona) 18. 12:58 PM - Re: Re: Parking Brake Valve (Craig Payne) 19. 01:04 PM - Re: Bending fuselage bows (Craig Payne) 20. 01:14 PM - Re: Bending fuselage bows (LarryMcFarland) 21. 02:27 PM - Re: Large format printer referral??? (ron wehba) 22. 02:33 PM - Re: Large format printer referral??? (TxDave) 23. 03:03 PM - Re: Large format printer referral??? (TxDave) 24. 05:36 PM - Re: Re: Large format printer referral??? (Craig Payne) 25. 07:24 PM - Re: Re: Large format printer referral??? (Trevor Page) 26. 07:28 PM - Re: Large format printer referral??? (TxDave) 27. 07:37 PM - Re: Bending fuselage bows (N5SL) 28. 07:59 PM - Re: Bending fuselage bows (Craig Payne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:29 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Antenna(s) I agree with you n the use of a balun... An unbalanced dipole will work, especially on a receiver, but with reduced efficiency. For the weight of a modern balun ( a couple of ounces) its well worth the few dollars to purchase. For those out there that don't know balun comes form the two words "balanced" and "Unbalanced" All 300Ohm twin lead like they used to use on television antennas is balanced line, all Coax is unbalanced.... Dipoles, as Bryan said are balanced arrays. There are some composite aircraft that have various antennas cast into the flight surfaces. Even in these aircraft they have to be very careful to make sure there are no parasitic elements (Metal) close to the antenna that could play havoc especially with transmitters. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Bryan Martin > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 4:05 AM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Antenna(s) > > > > > I don't think this would work very well, not because of the distance > between or the impedance of the coax but because of the radiation > pattern of a whip antenna. A whip antenna has sharp nulls in its > pattern directly off the ends of the whip. If you put the antennas > inside the stabilizer tips, each antenna would only be able to pick > up signals from one side of the plane due to the shielding effect of > the aluminum stabilizer so one antenna wouldn't be able to fill in > the gaps of the other's radiation pattern. The antennas would > have to > be mounted with the tip pointed either forward or aft, so you would > have basically zero reception forward or aft. A whip antenna also > requires a ground plane with a radius of about the same as > the length > of the whip. > > To get decent omnidirectional reception of the horizontally > polarized > VOR signal you need a half-wave dipole mounted horizontally. > This is > basically two quarter-wave elements mounted end to end with the feed > line connected at the center. If the elements were mounted at 180 > degrees to each other they would have the same sharp nulls off the > ends as the whip antenna. Mounting them at an angle of about 120 > degrees or so eliminates the nulls and you have a true > omnidirectional pattern. Another thing to note is that a dipole > antenna is a balanced load and a coax cable is an unbalanced feeder, > so a balun is needed to match the coax to the antenna. > > With a metal airframe, you are pretty much stuck with mounting your > antennas externally. > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:14 AM PST US From: "j. davis" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Router Use 101 Ron Butterfield wrote: > This guy: > http://www.bkfliers.com/ > has some very detailed construction photos of doing exactly that in > his build logs. > So does this guy ;') under the 'Homebuilding Tips & Tricks' section of http://cleco.ca Regards, J. flying: Zenith STOL CH701/912 C-IGGY, 350 hrs. building: Sonex #325, Jabiru 3300/6, 85% completed +-------------------------------------------------------+ | J. Davis, M.Sc. | (computer science) | | *NIX consulting, SysAdmin | jd at lawsonimaging.ca | | c/o Brandywine Aviation | voice: 519.289.1527 | | 5507 Irish Dr., Appin, ON | http://www.cleco.ca | | N42 47.33 W081 36.50 31/13 | 2000+ x 60', elev: 740' | +-------------------------------------------------------+ To most people the sky is the limit. To those who love aviation, the sky is home. A teacher once said to me, "We all bring joy to others...sometimes when we enter a room, sometimes when we leave...". I wonder what he was trying to tell me... ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:59 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Zenith-List: Parking Brake Valve I picked up two 1/4" brass ball valves at Lowe's to use as parking brake valves. They are marked "ANSI/NSF 61-8 600 WOG 61 Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Parking Brake Valve ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:56 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Parking Brake Valve > > I picked up two 1/4" brass ball valves at Lowe's to use as parking brake > valves. They are marked "ANSI/NSF 61-8 600 WOG 61 absolutely no idea what all that means. Can anyone tell me if these > valves would be suitable? > > Jay in Dallas, working on 601XL fuselage > Do they look like these? http://www.lightflyers.com/4j.jpg .. http://www.lightflyers.com/4h.jpg . Step on the brakes, pull the handle back, and the pressure is locked inside the wheel cylinders. I've left it "in park" for weeks without any loss of holding power. Rick Pitcher N601ZR ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:52 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Parking Brake Valve Rick, Yes they look a lot like that. So you're saying that this kind of ball valve is OK? Thanks - Jay in Dallas "R.P." wrote: > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:56 AM >Subject: Zenith-List: Parking Brake Valve > > >> >> I picked up two 1/4" brass ball valves at Lowe's to use as parking brake >> valves. They are marked "ANSI/NSF 61-8 600 WOG 61> absolutely no idea what all that means. Can anyone tell me if these >> valves would be suitable? >> >> Jay in Dallas, working on 601XL fuselage >> > > >Do they look like these? >http://www.lightflyers.com/4j.jpg >. >http://www.lightflyers.com/4h.jpg >. Step on the brakes, pull the handle back, and the pressure is locked >inside the >wheel cylinders. I've left it "in park" for weeks without any loss of >holding power. > > >Rick Pitcher >N601ZR > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:00 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Zenith-List: Bending fuselage bows I need to scratch-form 6B21-2, one of the 3/4 inch tubes that supports the top skin over the luggage area. All I know is that I order the tubing with extra length, cut my form-block and wrap the tubing around it. Anyone have more details steps or tips? It seems to me that if I just wrap the tube around the form there will be substantial spring-back. Do I just take the bow off the form, pull it tighter and check it on the form until it conforms? -- Craig ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:21 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Bending fuselage bows From: "N601RT" Craig, I'd recommend filling the tubing with sand (or kitty litter) and closing the ends of the tube with tape before starting to bend it. This will minimize the tendency for the tubing to collapse when you bend it. Regards, Roy N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR quipped, 651hrs, 750 landings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=72851#72851 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:58 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Antenna(s) From: "N601RT" My plane has a Dipole VOR/GS/Localizer Antenna, probably a Comant CI-157P. This is mounted on the bottom of the fuselage just under where the rudder cables exit the fuselage. See attached photo. The signal from this antenna can be shared with multiple receivers by using an antenna coupler. The only wires going to my rudder are for the white, rear position light. Many RV's have similarly mounted a Dipole VOR/GS/Localizer Antenna. (I also have a comm antenna and a GPS antenna on the turtle deck, a GPS antenna on the top forward skin, the belly of N601RT has a cheap bent whip comm antenna for my hand held, a marker beacon antenna, and my transponder antenna. My ELT antenna is from a handheld radio and is mounted on the baggage shelf, just behind the passenger seat. No flames please. Check the archives for discussions about ELT antenna locations. I should have put both GPS antenna's under the canopy, but didn't.) Regards, Roy N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped, 651hrs, 750 landings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=72862#72862 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/n601rt_nav_com_1_5_105.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:32:30 AM PST US From: Debo Cox Subject: Zenith-List: Large format printer referral??? Hi guys, I've got a some jpeg files that contain full-size layouts for all of the rear wing ribs on an XL. My plan is to print these out and use some spray adhesive to tack them to the wood I'll use as form blocks (as a lot of builders have done). Here's the problem - printing those boys out! Does anyone know a place where I might be able to email my files and have them print out large format paper printouts? I live in a really remote place on the Outer Banks of North Carolina, and if I can just have the images printed out and shipped to me, it'll save me several hours drive time and expense. Even if there's a good printer in your town that is familiar with the job, I'd appreciate a phone number or website address. Thanks guys. Keep drillin'. Debo Cox Nags Head, NC XL/Corvair Working on wing spar #2 Do not archive --------------------------------- We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:38 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Large format printer referral??? The CAD program I use (AutoSketch) will print an arbitrarily large drawing across many 8.5 by 11 inch pieces of paper with alignment targets at each corner. Then I line them up, tape them together and use that. This worked fine for my luggage shelf bulkhead. You might try this with one of the free 2D CAD programs available for download. Also with a CAD file many shops can also plot it on a large-format plotter. You may have trouble getting a jpeg printed with the correct dimensions. Unlike a CAD file there is not much in the way of accurate dimensions in a jpeg - usually just some default dots-per-inch figure like 72 DPI. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:10 AM PST US From: PipercubDream@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Large format printer referral??? I've used Kinkos in the past to print out large scale plans before, you can email files and they'll send you the prints. Just type kinkos and it will take you right to their web site. Ben ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:25 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Large format printer referral??? BTW: there are XL rib templates at www.ch601.org/builder%20resources.htm in dwg, pdf and dxf formats. A print shop with a plotter should be able to easily turn out accurate plots from these -- Craig. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:37 AM PST US From: "R.P." Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Parking Brake Valve ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:48 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Parking Brake Valve > > Rick, Yes they look a lot like that. So you're saying that this kind of > ball valve is OK? > > Thanks - Jay in Dallas Yep. They work fine. AND they're inexpensive :) > > "R.P." wrote: > >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: >>To: >>Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:56 AM >>Subject: Zenith-List: Parking Brake Valve >> >> >>> >>> I picked up two 1/4" brass ball valves at Lowe's to use as parking brake >>> valves. They are marked "ANSI/NSF 61-8 600 WOG 61>> absolutely no idea what all that means. Can anyone tell me if these >>> valves would be suitable? >>> >>> Jay in Dallas, working on 601XL fuselage >>> >> >> >>Do they look like these? >>http://www.lightflyers.com/4j.jpg >>. >>http://www.lightflyers.com/4h.jpg >>. Step on the brakes, pull the handle back, and the pressure is locked >>inside the >>wheel cylinders. I've left it "in park" for weeks without any loss of >>holding power. >> >> >>Rick Pitcher >>N601ZR >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:03:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 vs ??? From: nyterminat@aol.com Thanks Ben. Somehow I was expecting you to have higher speeds. You are right that the drag increases that much more with speed. Seems like there should be a lot of drag clean up for the 701/801 that could be easily accomplished. Bob Spudis N701ZX do not archive -----Original Message----- From: n801bh@netzero.com Sent: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 8:45 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 vs ??? The 801` appears to suffer from the same fate as all the 601's. ZAC claims 10-15 mph higher cruise speeds then anybody seems to be able to derive. I can get 108 maybe in level flight and full throttle. That is using about 330 sea level HP. Up here at 7000+msl that relates to somewhere in the 270 range. Keep in mind the motor is VERY detuned to prevent the plane from making the lead story on the evening news. The 801, and I am guessing the 701 too is VERY areodynamicly dirty so drag compounds at the higher speeds. For instance, on takeoff I am burning 16+ GPH, at cruise at 50% power I can run 88 mph@ 5.9-6.3 GPH, Speed up just 8 mph to 95 and the thing burns 11+. I will trade that off by just leaving a few minutes earlier and running at the slower speed. With that all said I still LOVE my 801.. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- NYTerminat@aol.com wrote: Ben, What kind of speed do you get?? How many HP do you have strapped in there? Bob Spudis In a message dated 11/3/2006 9:41:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, n801bh@netzero.com writes: I tried adding reflex [ that is raising the flaps past their normal attitude]. The plane flies nose up and you actually lose some speed. At least my 801 does.. Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com =================================== =================================== ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List =================================== ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:30:16 PM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bending fuselage bows Craig: You are right on about the over bend. What I did was draw the hoop out on a big sheet of paper, lay it on my table, then bent the pipe to match. If you are real careful and go slow you can get it pretty close. I had four hoops to bend and got better results when I used a pipe bender from Harbor freight but it is really overkill. This thing: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/6_13_06_Canopy_Hoop_Bending2.JPG It did, however limit the amount of "crimping" caused by the form that I got on the first two I bent. You are also right on about starting with a longer pipe. Take it slow and you will get good results. Scott. ----- Original Message ---- From: Craig Payne I need to scratch-form 6B21-2, one of the 3/4 inch tubes that supports the top skin over the luggage area. All I know is that I order the tubing with extra length, cut my form-block and wrap the tubing around it. Anyone have more details steps or tips? It seems to me that if I just wrap the tube around the form there will be substantial spring-back. Do I just take the bow off the form, pull it tighter and check it on the form until it conforms? -- Craig ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:34:55 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Parking Brake Valve From: "Gig Giacona" zodie, I have no idea what you posted but what ever it was not viewable via the Web interface. No text, no pic, nothing. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=72893#72893 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:37:56 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Antenna(s) From: "Gig Giacona" Roy, that is the spot all of the old-timers who come and inspect my plane have suggested I install mine as well. Between the lot of them they probably have over 300 years of tinkering with airplanes experience. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=72897#72897 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:58:02 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Parking Brake Valve >> I have no idea what you posted but what ever it was not viewable via the Web interface. No text, no pic, nothing. Weird, his messages came through just fine via e-mail but the web interface just shows empty messages from him. I'll quote his first message and see if it gets through: Do they look like these? http://www.lightflyers.com/4j.jpg http://www.lightflyers.com/4h.jpg Step on the brakes, pull the handle back, and the pressure is locked inside the wheel cylinders. I've left it "in park" for weeks without any loss of holding power. Rick Pitcher N601ZR -- Craig ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:27 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Bending fuselage bows Great, can I borrow your bender? ;-) -- Craig do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:25 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bending fuselage bows Hi Craig, You'll probably want to bend the bows more than you're going to get from a simple former because of the bend-back that the aluminum has. As mentioned, fill the tube tight with blasting sand or any fine sand. Plug the ends with wood and use your form. The side radii are most crucial to getting the skins to wrap around fully to match the vertical of the side skins. Do pay attention to that. Also, I devised a bender arrangement with casters on a table that will allow you to get the exact bend you want. You have to ink the shape you need on the table and then use it or the form to see where the bend is going. This can be very accurate. The radius in the bottom 10-inches each side is very important as you can see in the link provided because the longeron is curving as your bows are coming down to meet the side skins. I've seen too many that seem to just have a bend angle at the longeron for lack of enough bend radius to match and curve at the same time. You can do it. http://www.macsmachine.com/images/canopy/full/canopyframeup.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/canopy/full/frontbowbend.gif If you over-bend, the same clamps and casters arrangement can be used to ease off the radius as well. Good luck, Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Craig Payne wrote: > > I need to scratch-form 6B21-2, one of the 3/4 inch tubes that supports the > top skin over the luggage area. All I know is that I order the tubing with > extra length, cut my form-block and wrap the tubing around it. Anyone have > more details steps or tips? It seems to me that if I just wrap the tube > around the form there will be substantial spring-back. Do I just take the > bow off the form, pull it tighter and check it on the form until it > conforms? > > -- Craig > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:01 PM PST US From: "ron wehba" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Large format printer referral??? I know one here in abilene texas, if you need there number let me know. ----- Original Message ----- From: Debo Cox To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 12:30 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Large format printer referral??? Hi guys, I've got a some jpeg files that contain full-size layouts for all of the rear wing ribs on an XL. My plan is to print these out and use some spray adhesive to tack them to the wood I'll use as form blocks (as a lot of builders have done). Here's the problem - printing those boys out! Does anyone know a place where I might be able to email my files and have them print out large format paper printouts? I live in a really remote place on the Outer Banks of North Carolina, and if I can just have the images printed out and shipped to me, it'll save me several hours drive time and expense. Even if there's a good printer in your town that is familiar with the job, I'd appreciate a phone number or website address. Thanks guys. Keep drillin'. Debo Cox Nags Head, NC XL/Corvair Working on wing spar #2 Do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:33:12 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Large format printer referral??? From: "TxDave" Hey Debo, I took those same jpeg files you mentioned to a local print shop and they produced PERFECTLY ACCURATE full sized prints (verified with plans). If you can't find a source let me know and I'll get you some copies made and you can reimburse me. do not archive Dave Clay Temple, TX http://www.daves601xl.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=72912#72912 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:10 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Large format printer referral??? From: "TxDave" Just a little FYI about jpegs and printing. The 72 dpi Craig reffered to has to do with resolution (clarity) not size. Jpeg size is measured in pixels. Think of it this way...if you save a photo from your digital camera as 800X600 pixels (not dots) and take it to any photo printer and ask for it to be printed full size, it will always print the same size. If you send it as an email attachment it will always display as 800X600 pixels. If you save that same photo at different resolutions (72 dpi, 300 dpi. or whatever), the clarity, not the size, goes up as the dpi goes up. Consider your home inkjet printer. Most have various print quality setting you can select, such as 300dpi, 1200dpi, etc. These settings have nothing to do with size. This can get confusing. Just remember...dpi = clarity...pixels = dimensions. So, you see, jpegs have very accurate dimensions right down to the pixel level. I'm not trying to be "Mr. Know-it all". I run a part time professional wedding photography bussiness with my son. We have extensive experience in dealing with commercial print shops. Back to working on my fuel tanks. Dave Clay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=72918#72918 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:24 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Large format printer referral??? Actually I was referring to the limitations of delivering engineering drawings as jpegs. Attached is a jpeg of a circle. The jpeg is 640 by 400 pixels. What size should the circle be when it is printed? Unless some assumption is made about pixels per inch it is impossible to say. For the jpegs that come out of my cameras (as opposed to being drawn like the rib templates were) the EXIF information in the files say: X resolution: 72 Y resolution: 72 Resolution: inch Is that resolution information useful? No - but it is in the jpeg. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:31 PM PST US From: Trevor Page Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Large format printer referral??? One thing to keep in mind with graphic file formats: JPEG, BMP, TIFF and the like are raster formats not a resolution independent format like PostScript or PDF. When one draws a circle @ 72DPI or any other DPI in a raster format any alteration to the physical size (blowing it up or down) results in a direct pixel interpolation. This means the pixel sizes are increased or decreased in order to give you the size you want. The observable effect of this is a case of the "jaggies". PostScript on the other hand is THE industry standard page definition language used in the graphics industry. When one uses a graphics application such as Adobe Illustrator which is a VECTOR art application, the resulting Postscript code which is interpreted at the printer results in a resolution independent output. In plain English it means if you tell the Postscript printer to print a circle of say 5" it will figure out where to put the pixels to get the best output instead of the computer drawing a dot at this size and then resizing the physical pixels if you make the circle bigger at a later time. The result is always smooth lines and graphics regardless of what size you originally drew it. PDF is the modern replacement for PostScript that is making inroads in the printing industry. So, if you want the best results for drawings and your intention is to blow them up to actual size then you need to use a graphics programs that is capable of vector drawing like Adobe Illustrator or Corel Draw (real pros don't use it). Whether you chose postscript or PDF as the graphics format does not matter, but they're where you want to be. I used Illustrator to do all my "2D CAD" stuff like my panel and other parts I had to fabricate where I needed them printed at 100% on 8.5" X 11" paper with registration marks. This way I could tape them together to get an accurate layout as intended. For other stuff I fire up SolidWorks and generate PDF files from that (like my new prop extension). Sorry about the long post but I thought I'd add my $.02 worth since I'm an I.T. engineer that specializes in the graphic arts industry with over 20 years of experience and the clarification might help some of you understand there's more to life than JPEG and GIF files... Trev Page C-IDUS 601HD R912 On Nov 7, 2006, at 6:02 PM, TxDave wrote: > > Just a little FYI about jpegs and printing. The 72 dpi Craig > reffered to has to do with resolution (clarity) not size. Jpeg size > is measured in pixels. Think of it this way...if you save a photo > from your digital camera as 800X600 pixels (not dots) and take it > to any photo printer and ask for it to be printed full size, it > will always print the same size. If you send it as an email > attachment it will always display as 800X600 pixels. If you save > that same photo at different resolutions (72 dpi, 300 dpi. or > whatever), the clarity, not the size, goes up as the dpi goes up. > Consider your home inkjet printer. Most have various print quality > setting you can select, such as 300dpi, 1200dpi, etc. These > settings have nothing to do with size. This can get confusing. Just > remember...dpi = clarity...pixels = dimensions. So, you see, jpegs > have very accurate dimensions right down to the pixel level. I'm > not trying to be "Mr. Know-it all". I run a part time professional > wedding photograp! > hy bussiness with my son. We have extensive experience in dealing > with commercial print shops. > > Back to working on my fuel tanks. > > Dave Clay > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=72918#72918 > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:46 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Large format printer referral??? From: "TxDave" Yes, I agree completely with Craig that jpegs are not the most ideal format for engineering drawings. I initially plotted my rib templates in AutoCad 2005. Unfortunately, there were no printing shops in my home town that could print from the .dwg files. They could, however, print from jpegs. Honestly, they came out fine. Attached is a photo of my right wing skeleton with ribs made with jpeg templates. Looks OK to me and my EAA Tech counselor. Well, we've thoroughly beat this horse to death. I think I'll go out to the garage and actually do some work on my airplane. do not archive Dave Clay Temple, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=72964#72964 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wings_051_170.jpg ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:29 PM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bending fuselage bows No problem Craig. I'll set it on the front porch and you can get it when you get here at 4:00AM if you leave now and drive fast. I owe you anyway so you are welcome to it. Scott Laughlin DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ---- From: Craig Payne Great, can I borrow your bender? ;-) -- Craig ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:02 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Bending fuselage bows Drive? I expect you to fly it over after you fly off your 40 hours. But as usual Larry did it with a couple of rusty casters and a c-clamp. I expect his paint job will be a work of art too. Some of us (like me) buy tools and some of us build them. -- Craig