---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/08/06: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:13 AM - If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! :-) (Matt Dralle) 1. 09:30 PM - Clarification On New Contribution Module Operation... (Matt Dralle) 2. 04:47 AM - Re: Re: Large format printer referral??? (Debo Cox) 3. 05:52 AM - Re: Large format printer referral??? (Noel Loveys) 4. 08:30 AM - Re: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! (Gig Giacona) 5. 09:28 AM - 601 lycoming exhaust (Zill Coleman) 6. 09:54 AM - Re: Re: Parking Brake Valve (R.P.) 7. 09:54 AM - 601 /lycoming exhaust Suggestions (TYA2) 8. 10:23 AM - Rib Routing (Perry Delano) 9. 12:06 PM - () 10. 12:18 PM - Re: Rib Routing (Keith Ashcraft) 11. 01:31 PM - Re: 601 lycoming exhaust (passpat@aol.com) 12. 01:34 PM - Re: Re: Parking Brake Valve (Jaybannist@cs.com) 13. 02:29 PM - Re: Parking Brake Valve (Gig Giacona) 14. 02:39 PM - Re: Re: Parking Brake Valve (Craig Payne) 15. 03:03 PM - Re: Re: Parking Brake Valve (Jaybannist@cs.com) 16. 03:19 PM - Re: Large format printer referral??? (Ron Lendon) 17. 03:50 PM - List Digest E-Mails Not Coming Through (Dave VanLanen) 18. 04:06 PM - Re: List Digest E-Mails Not Coming Through (Carlos Sa) 19. 04:08 PM - Re: Re: Parking Brake Valve (R.P.) 20. 05:19 PM - Tools (Bruno Wright) 21. 10:01 PM - Re: List Digest E-Mails Not Coming Through (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:36 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Zenith-List: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! :-) If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because you haven't yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! This is the first PBS-like funds drive message under the new distribution system. The new system selectively sends out the Contribution messages ONLY to those that forgot to whip out the 'ol credit card this year to support the continued operation and upgrade of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't you wish PBS worked that way? :-) You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support requests messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your personal email inbox! Pardon me if I seem kind of excited about the new feature. I've wanted to implement something like this for a number of years now, but it was always such a daunting task to modify the back-end List processing code, that I just kept putting it off. Finally this year, I just decided to bite the bullet and put the code-pounding time it to make it work. A few days later, bam! A working system! Anyway, I'll stop gushing now. I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to run a List Site like this. It also goes to pay for the Commercial-Grade Internet connection and to pay the rather huge electric bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered up. Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent on the Internet these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List site. I'm pretty sure you don't either. If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email Lists, please make a Contribution today to keep it that way!! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:40 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Zenith-List: Clarification On New Contribution Module Operation... Dear Listers, A number of Listers emailed and indicated that, even though they had made a Contribution this year, they still received the Contribution message yesterday. I looked into it and I found a slight anomaly (ok, bug) in the new code specifically as it related to Listers that had made their Contribution through PayPal AND have a DIFFERENT email address for their PayPal account and for their Matronics List subscription. If your PayPal account email address is DIFFERENT than the email address you are subscribed to the Matronics List(s) as, then my new code module couldn't tell that you had made a Contribution, since it was using the PayPal email address instead of the List email. I've fixed this issue for any new PayPal Contributions, but I don't have any easy way of resolving this for any of the previous Contribtuions. Again, this is ONLY an issue if your PayPal and Matronics List email addresses ARE NOT the same. Otherwise, everything works great. If you made a PayPal Contribution before 11/09/06 AND your email addresses don't match, please drop me an email at " info@matronics.com " (do not reply to this message!) and give me your Name, and both Email Addresses and I will manually update the records so that things will work as advertised. Sorry for the hassle! New code; new bugs... :-) To make a Contribution, please see: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administration ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:03 AM PST US From: Debo Cox Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Large format printer referral??? Thanks for the help guys. I've got a couple of options now to get these printed out. Good stuff. Debo Cox Nags Head, NC XL/Corvair do not archive --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Free Uniden 5.8GHz Phone System with Packet8 Internet Phone Service ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:29 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Large format printer referral??? Check with the folks who make the decals for customizing cars they have huge ink jet printers. Another place to try is just about any engineering company. They use plotters to draw blueprints. I guess the days of the ammonia blueprint machines are gone! Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Debo Cox Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 3:00 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Large format printer referral??? Hi guys, I've got a some jpeg files that contain full-size layouts for all of the rear wing ribs on an XL. My plan is to print these out and use some spray adhesive to tack them to the wood I'll use as form blocks (as a lot of builders have done). Here's the problem - printing those boys out! Does anyone know a place where I might be able to email my files and have them print out large format paper printouts? I live in a really remote place on the Outer Banks of North Carolina, and if I can just have the images printed out and shipped to me, it'll save me several hours drive time and expense. Even if there's a good printer in your town that is familiar with the job, I'd appreciate a phone number or website address. Thanks guys. Keep drillin'. Debo Cox Nags Head, NC XL/Corvair Working on wing spar #2 Do not archive _____ We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:19 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! From: "Gig Giacona" Unfortunatly those of us that have donated still have to read about it on the forum. :? -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73130#73130 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:27 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 601 lycoming exhaust From: "Zill Coleman" Will a C-150 exhaust system fit properly onto a 601 with a Lycoming 235? Does anyone have any recommendations about where to buy an exhaust system that will fit? Swapping Subaru for 0 235. Z coleman 601 HDS ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:14 AM PST US From: "R.P." Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Parking Brake Valve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gig Giacona" Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 12:32 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Parking Brake Valve > > zodie, > > I have no idea what you posted but what ever it was not viewable via the > Web interface. No text, no pic, nothing. > That's strange, it came through on the email list... The pics are a couple of 1/4" brass ball valves ganged together for a hydraulic parking brake valve. I'll try to post the URLs again and see if they get through http://www.lightflyers.com/4j.jpg http://www.lightflyers.com/4h.jpg Rick Pitcher CH601HD/3300 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:41 AM PST US From: TYA2 Subject: Zenith-List: 601 /lycoming exhaust Suggestions Here is the deal on Lycoming 0-235 exhaust systems. Zenair and AMD sell a 4 into 1 crossover exhaust system with shrouds for the AMD Alarus CH2000. Same aircraft different names, and a certified aircraft. Comes complete with shrouds for carb heat and cabin heat. This is a complete bolt on system for the 0-235 including the short stacks to the cylinders. A fairly simple system. The hardest point was getting the hole for exhaust stack right on my CH2000. This system replaces single side systems that the CH2000 came with. I still have one good one and one repairable one (if you a welder!!!!) . The Lycoming 0-235 is used in Cessna 152s, Tomahawks, and Skippers if you are looking for used aircraft exhaust systems. The Cessna 150 uses a Continental 0-200 and I can't say a 150 exhaust system will work on Lycoming... If you don't know what you are doing, call AMD and ask if there CH2000/Alarus system will fit on a 601. If it does buy it. I do not regret my new system, although I liked the old system's simplicity better. Leaking exhaust systems can kill you. I live in an area where cabin heat and defrost are essential. My life or my family members lives are not worth fooling around with, carbon monoxide sucks... Reg Lukasik, Edmonton, Alberta 1995 CH2000 with the latest Zenith AMD exhaust system... At 11:37 AM 11/8/2006 -0600, you wrote: >Will a C-150 exhaust system fit properly onto a 601 with a Lycoming >235? Does anyone have any recommendations about where to buy an exhaust >system that will fit? Swapping Subaru for 0 235. > >Z coleman > >601 HDS > >www.aeroelectric.com >www.buildersbooks.com >http://www.matronics.com/contribution >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:37 AM PST US From: Perry Delano Subject: Zenith-List: Rib Routing With respect to using a router to cut aluminum you might check out "rib routing" on Murray Johnson's website (murrayjohnson.com). Seems as though someone from the RAA (Canada) has been giving demos of what appears to be a very effective method ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:06:45 PM PST US ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:18:58 PM PST US From: Keith Ashcraft Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rib Routing Also, Try and see if this link will work. I put 3 pictures that show my Flaperon rear rib router template, then a closeup picture showing a stackup of several 0.016" pieces, and then a final rib blank with a formed rib. See if it works. http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/701builders/photos/browse/637b?c If it doesn't, I will post directly to Matronics photoshare. Keith CH701 -- still trying to scratch build N 38.9947 W 105.1305 Alt. 9,100' temp -- mid 70s, (what's up with that) ****************************************************************** Perry Delano wrote: > >With respect to using a router to cut aluminum you might check out "rib >routing" on Murray Johnson's website (murrayjohnson.com). Seems as >though someone >from the RAA (Canada) has been giving demos of what appears to be a very >effective method > > > > -- ************************************* *Keith Ashcraft* ITT Industries Advanced Engineering & Sciences 5009 Centennial Blvd. Colorado Springs, CO 80919 (719) 599-1787 -- work (719) 332-4364 -- cell keith.ashcraft@itt.com ************************************ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT, Inc. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. ************************************ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 lycoming exhaust From: passpat@aol.com vetterman rv-9 for the o-235 works -----Original Message----- From: zill@pinnacletrans.com Sent: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:37 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 601 lycoming exhaust Will a C-150 exhaust system fit properly onto a 601 with a Lycoming 235? Does anyone have any recommendations about where to buy an exhaust system that will fit? Swapping Subaru for 0 235. Z coleman 601 HDS ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:44 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Parking Brake Valve Gig, You must have something wrong that is unique to your system. Both of Zodie's posts came through just fine to me, including the photos. Jay in Dallas "Gig Giacona" wrote: > >Just for the record Zodie your last post was blank on the forum as well. > >-------- >W.R. "Gig" Giacona >601XL Under Construction >See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73172#73172 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:44 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Parking Brake Valve From: "Gig Giacona" Jay, I don't think you are reading them via the Web Forum Interface at forums.matronics.com. I've sent Matt and e-mail about it. Jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote: > Gig, You must have something wrong that is unique to your system. Both of Zodie's posts came through just fine to me, including the photos. > > Jay in Dallas > > "Gig Giacona" wrote: > > > > > > > > Just for the record Zodie your last post was blank on the forum as well. > > > > -------- > > W.R. "Gig" Giacona > > 601XL Under Construction > > See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73172#73172 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73200#73200 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:39:53 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Parking Brake Valve >> unique to your system Except that Zodie's recent messages show empty in the web site too. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:26 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Parking Brake Valve Craig & Gig, I'm not up on various places to read stuff, but I am reading it on my e-mail provider under "zenith-list@matronics.com", and it has come through just fine. Jay in Dallas "Craig Payne" wrote: > >>> unique to your system > >Except that Zodie's recent messages show empty in the web site too. > >-- Craig > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:18 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Large format printer referral??? From: "Ron Lendon" Debo, I just tabulated the time it took me to make all the forms fot the entire plane. In 51 hours, I layed out, cut, ground, radiused and poly sealed all the forms. Just thought you might want to know. It is pretty easy. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73217#73217 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:22 PM PST US From: "Dave VanLanen" Subject: Zenith-List: List Digest E-Mails Not Coming Through I have not received list digest e-mails for several days. Is something broken on the Matronics list, or do I have something wrong on my end? Thanks, Dave Van Lanen Do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:25 PM PST US From: "Carlos Sa" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: List Digest E-Mails Not Coming Through Have you made your contribution yet? ;-) do not archive Carlos On 08/11/06, Dave VanLanen wrote: > > I have not received list digest e-mails for several days. Is something > broken on the Matronics list, or do I have something wrong on my end? > > Thanks, > > Dave Van Lanen > > Do not archive > > * > * > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:08:40 PM PST US From: "R.P." Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Parking Brake Valve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gig Giacona" Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 2:27 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Parking Brake Valve > > Jay, I don't think you are reading them via the Web Forum Interface at > forums.matronics.com. > > I've sent Matt and e-mail about it. You're right Gig, I checked the forum website and found the blank messages. wierd, ain't it? Oh well, at least the brake valves work better than the web interface.... do not archive Rick Pitcher zodie@adelphia.net ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:22 PM PST US From: "Bruno Wright" Subject: Zenith-List: Tools Just a quick note on sanding/shaping tools. Here is something invaluable, cost a few $ but worth it, http://www.radiusmaster.com.au/ unfortunately for most of you guys it is in Aus. And yes, He who dies with the most tools wins. Bruno Wright 1 up and another started. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:01:32 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: Zenith-List: List Digest E-Mails Not Coming Through Hey Dave, You appear to be subscribed to the Zenith-List-Digest alright as "davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net". Let me know if you don't get tonight Digest email. Email me directly at dralle@matronics.com. Best regards, Matt Dralle At 03:48 PM 11/8/2006 Wednesday, you wrote: >I have not received list digest e-mails for several days. Is something broken on the Matronics list, or do I have something wrong on my end? > >Thanks, > >Dave Van Lanen > >Do not archive Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft