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0. 10:13 PM - Wiki... (Matt Dralle)
1. 02:34 AM - Wing locker (Chris sinfield)
2. 08:50 AM - Re: Wing locker (Dan Ribb)
3. 10:56 AM - Re: Wing locker (LarryMcFarland)
4. 10:56 AM - Re: Matronics Email List Fund Raiser - November! (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
5. 12:12 PM - Re: Matronics Email List Fund Raiser - November! (Matt Dralle)
6. 12:25 PM - Re: Wing locker (George Swinford)
7. 12:36 PM - Rolling a 0.040 sheet (Keith Ashcraft)
8. 01:38 PM - Re: 0.040 roll (Zed Smith)
9. 01:56 PM - Re: Re: 0.040 roll (Edward Moody II)
10. 02:42 PM - Re: Re: 0.040 roll (Ashcraft, Keith -AES)
11. 07:15 PM - Re: Rolling a 0.040 sheet (Christian Tremblay)
12. 08:31 PM - Airworthiness passed (Brandon Tucker)
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Dear Listers,
I added a new Wiki web site to the Matronics Email List features earlier this year. What's a Wiki, you ask? Well, here's the Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki) definition:
A wiki (IPA: [ w .ki ] <WICK-ee> or [ wi .ki ] <WEE-kee>) is a type of Web site
that allows the visitors themselves to easily add, remove, and otherwise edit
and change some available content, sometimes without the need for registration.
This ease of interaction and operation makes a wiki an effective tool for
collaborative authoring. The term wiki also can refer to the collaborative software
itself (wiki engine) that facilitates the operation of such a Web site,
or to certain specific wiki sites, including the computer science site (an original
wiki), WikiWikiWeb, and on-line encyclopedias such as Wikipedia.
Under the Matronics Email List Moniker, there is now a very nice List-specific
Wiki available! It a place for Listers to put articles about any aviation topic
that suits them. The purpose is to provide what the mailing lists do not:
structure and persistence. The mailing lists are a fantastic resource to ask
a question and get good (and bad and funny and annoying) answers. But once the
question is asked and answered it is not in front of the List anymore. If a
new person subscribes the next day, he/she does not see that information unless
he/she goes to the trouble to search the archives, a hit or miss proposition.
The result is that the same thread of conversation gets created and/or revisited.
There are several things that happen as a result:
1. The person gets his or her question answered;
2. The information gets better as more people think about and answer the question;
3. The people who have seen the same question asked and answered get annoyed
at seeing the same things over and over and over and ...
So this is where the Wiki comes in. You know what questions you wanted answered.
You may have asked or answered the question. You know the information is useful.
So you put the information here, in the Matronics Email List Wiki!
It doesn't matter that this information is 100% complete or correct. Just writing
something creates a placeholder and makes useful information available immediately.
It has the same immediacy as the mailing list but it has persistence
and structure.
But what if the information is incomplete or incorrect? No problem! Anyone else
coming along can edit the article! If I write something and you discover something
I have left out or stated incorrectly, you can fix it right then!
So let's begin and make this the place for information about building, flying,
maintaining, and understanding our airplanes.
But what about whether something is "appropriate" or not? Don't worry. Write
it down. Let the reader determine whether or not it is appropriate. If it is,
he/she will read it. If it isn't, he/she won't. It's as simple as that.
And when you do write that article you won't have to worry about whether some editor
is going to decide whether or not to print it in a newsletter or whether
the webmaster will have time to put it up on the web page.
The last question I hear brewing out there is: if anyone can post anything, won't
this just become a mass of garbage? Surprisingly, the answer is a resounding
no. If you want proof, go visit the Wikipedia, a free-to-everyone encyclopedia
written by whoever wants to write articles. The articles there are as good
as anything I have read anywhere and anyone can add anything anytime they want
to.
So don't hesitate. Write it down. Put it here. It will never hurt anyone. The
more information we get here, the more useful it will become to other people
and the more information they will put here for YOU to use.
Here's the URL to start (there are lots more bured under this starting place):
http://www.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Matronics:Community_Portal
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Hi all
Well the wing locker on my XL is now complete.. looks real nice but since I will
not be able to hanger the bird when it rains, it got me to thinking how can
I stop rain from going in the hinge (fwd edge)? The sides and back have a strip
and I will put foam door seal for weather proofing, but how to stop the rain
getting in from the front?? and as you know rain getting in will cause corrosion
and green scotchbrite to grow.
Chris
Down Under
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Hinge? Why did you use a hinge? Zodiacs don't use no stink'n hinges!
:~)
Dan Ribb
Fresno, CA
601XL tail kit 20% done
- do not post -
----- Original Message -----
Hi all
Well the wing locker on my XL is now complete.. looks real nice but
since I will not be able to hanger the bird when it rains, it got me to
thinking how can I stop rain from going in the hinge (fwd edge)? The
sides and back have a strip and I will put foam door seal for weather
proofing, but how to stop the rain getting in from the front?? and as
you know rain getting in will cause corrosion and green scotchbrite to
grow.
Chris
Down Under
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Chris,
Don't forget to put drain holes in your baggage area same as all the
other places you can collect water. What matter if it takes
water that leaves thru a drain. Water will condense in your plane in
all the other blind spots. A 1/8" drain hole will alleviate this.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
Dan Ribb wrote:
> Hinge? Why did you use a hinge? Zodiacs don't use no stink'n
> hinges! *:~)*
>
>
> Dan Ribb
> Fresno, CA
> 601XL tail kit 20% done
> - do not post -
> ----- Original Message -----
> Hi all
> Well the wing locker on my XL is now complete.. looks real nice but
> since I will not be able to hanger the bird when it rains, it got me
> to thinking how can I stop rain from going in the hinge (fwd edge)?
> The sides and back have a strip and I will put foam door seal for
> weather proofing, but how to stop the rain getting in from the front??
> and as you know rain getting in will cause corrosion and green
> scotchbrite to grow.
> Chris
> Down Under
>
> *
> =========
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Matronics Email List Fund Raiser - November! |
In a message dated 11/1/2006 9:36:59 PM Central Standard Time,
dralle@matronics.com writes:
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below
Matt, The connection is not working for me. Will you please post your u s
mail address for a by mail contribution.
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| Subject: | Re: Matronics Email List Fund Raiser - November! |
At 10:55 AM 11/10/2006 Friday, you wrote:
>In a message dated 11/1/2006 9:36:59 PM Central Standard Time, dralle@matronics.com
writes:
>To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below
>
>
>Matt, The connection is not working for me. Will you please post your u s mail
address for a by mail contribution.
Try this link:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
This link should work great.
For snail mail check Contribution, please send to:
Matt Dralle/Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you!
Matt
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Good point, Larry, and thanks for the reminder.
George
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing locker
>
> Chris,
> Don't forget to put drain holes in your baggage area same as all the
> other places you can collect water. What matter if it takes
> water that leaves thru a drain. Water will condense in your plane in
> all the other blind spots. A 1/8" drain hole will alleviate this.
>
> Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
> do not archive
>
> Dan Ribb wrote:
> > Hinge? Why did you use a hinge? Zodiacs don't use no stink'n
> > hinges! *:~)*
> >
> >
> > Dan Ribb
> > Fresno, CA
> > 601XL tail kit 20% done
> > - do not post -
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > Hi all
> > Well the wing locker on my XL is now complete.. looks real nice but
> > since I will not be able to hanger the bird when it rains, it got me
> > to thinking how can I stop rain from going in the hinge (fwd edge)?
> > The sides and back have a strip and I will put foam door seal for
> > weather proofing, but how to stop the rain getting in from the front??
> > and as you know rain getting in will cause corrosion and green
> > scotchbrite to grow.
> > Chris
> > Down Under
> >
> > *
> > =========
> >
> > *
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Rolling a 0.040 sheet |
Hello All,
I will try sending this again. It seems like the first 2 times it didn't
go through.
Well, I did it!! I can say that a 0.040x4x12 sheet 6061 Aluminum, can be
rolled and shipped. Now before some of you say "yeah, I did that", I do
remember reading where some have had this experience with rolled 0.040"
sheets.. but...
Here is my story....
I figured that I could get by with a 34" dia. roll, and that would fit
inside my Expedition easy. Well, the 2 guys at "ALRECO" (in North
Denver) "cha-ching plug" started rolling it and got it to 24" easily. I
then put on a couple of ratch-straps, snugged it down and then used it
to hold everything else thinner inside. I ended up rolling (3) sheets of
0.025", and (2) sheets of 0.016" and let them coil inside the 0.040".
The whole package could have fit inside the back of my Subaru Baja, but
I didn't want to get to Denver and find out that it couldn't. I also got
the following 2'x4' sheets 0.063", 0.090", and 0.125". and then I got
the Zenith approved 3/4"x3/4"x0.125" Aluminum angle. (3-25' sticks cut
into 13' and 12' sections) All of this, plus tax, was $700.60. Add in a
$25 bill for gas, and I think that I got by fairly cheap. Aircraft
Spruce, was wanting a fortune to ship a 4'x12' pallet for the 0.040"
since they wouldn't roll it for me.
Now for the unrolling.....
With my wife's help, here is the way we unrolled this tightly coiled
spring. I used a couple of hand clamps, (the ones you squeeze together
by hand) positioned about 180degrees from the end. We popped loose the
ratchet straps while doing the best we could of holding on also, along
with the clamps. We then unrolled the roll until the clamps were on the
bottom. Then we grabbed 2 more clamps and clamped close to where the
existing clamp was, but made sure we just clamped the coil that was
still wound up. Then we undid the first clamps and rolled another 3/4
roll and did the same thing over again. Since the thinner sheets were
shoved inside the heavier, we still had the thinner sheets to unwrap. We
clamped the interior rolls, and carried the spool back to the beginning
of the table and did the same thing for the 0.025". Then unrolled the
0.016" by hand.Anyway, it is an idea that may help someone on trying to
unroll tightly wound coils or to reafirm a person's confidence about
handling-hauling some of the heavier Aluminum sheets.
NOTE: ALTHOUGH I DID HAVE A FAIRLY TIGHT RADIUS, I DID MAKE SURE I GOT
HOME, AND GOT IT UNROLLED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, SO THAT NO MEMORY
"CURVE-BEND" GOT SET INTO THE SHEET. APPROX. 7 HOURS. JUST MY EXPERIENCE
TO YOU.
Keith
CH701 - 8% (but will be getting farther along now that I have some metal.)
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
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Normal procedure is to place green ScotchBrite pads between sheets prior to rolling.
This absorbs dirt, and oil from hands, and produces a clean finished product.....no
additional prep needed when painting.
Obviously you did this and just forgot to share that part with the List.
Regards,
Zed
do not archive anything concerning ScotchBrite
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Can you get zinc chromate in rattle cans that work like those insect
fogger bombs? You could just set them off, cut the tape or twine around
the rolled aluminum and when you get back the next day it would be
unrolled, prepped and primed.
Ed Moody II
----- Original Message -----
From: Zed Smith
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 3:37 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 0.040 roll
Normal procedure is to place green ScotchBrite pads between sheets
prior to rolling.
This absorbs dirt, and oil from hands, and produces a clean finished
product.....no additional prep needed when painting.
Obviously you did this and just forgot to share that part with the
List.
Regards,
Zed
do not archive anything concerning ScotchBrite
--
11/10/2006 2:31 PM
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Yes sir Zed,
I did the reen cotchBrite method. My outgoing mail server will stop
anything that has the G S in front to the letters reen cotchBrite, so I
decided to leave that out.
Also Ed, that method only works at altitudes below 8,500' Otherwise it
works great!!!
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Keith
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Edward Moody
II
Sent: Fri 11/10/2006 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 0.040 roll
Can you get zinc chromate in rattle cans that work like those insect
fogger bombs? You could just set them off, cut the tape or twine around
the rolled aluminum and when you get back the next day it would be
unrolled, prepped and primed.
Ed Moody II
----- Original Message -----
From: Zed Smith
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 3:37 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 0.040 roll
Normal procedure is to place green ScotchBrite pads between sheets
prior to rolling.
This absorbs dirt, and oil from hands, and produces a clean finished
product.....no additional prep needed when painting.
Obviously you did this and just forgot to share that part with the
List.
Regards,
Zed
do not archive anything concerning ScotchBrite
--
11/10/2006 2:31 PM
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| Subject: | Rolling a 0.040 sheet |
I Keith,
I rolled an 0.040 6061-t6 one time when I but one sheet 4 x 12. No problem,
I did it with an old experience builder and he told me that was not a
problem. Alone could be a risky experience. Get help to unroll is better.
Yes I unroll it soon as I can.
Chris
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Keith Ashcraft
Envoy: Friday, November 10, 2006 3:36 PM
: zenith-list@matronics.com
Objet: Zenith-List: Rolling a 0.040 sheet
Hello All,
I will try sending this again. It seems like the first 2 times it didn't
go through.
Well, I did it!! I can say that a 0.040x4x12 sheet 6061 Aluminum, can be
rolled and shipped. Now before some of you say "yeah, I did that", I do
remember reading where some have had this experience with rolled 0.040"
sheets.. but...
Here is my story....
I figured that I could get by with a 34" dia. roll, and that would fit
inside my Expedition easy. Well, the 2 guys at "ALRECO" (in North
Denver) "cha-ching plug" started rolling it and got it to 24" easily. I
then put on a couple of ratch-straps, snugged it down and then used it
to hold everything else thinner inside. I ended up rolling (3) sheets of
0.025", and (2) sheets of 0.016" and let them coil inside the 0.040".
The whole package could have fit inside the back of my Subaru Baja, but
I didn't want to get to Denver and find out that it couldn't. I also got
the following 2'x4' sheets 0.063", 0.090", and 0.125". and then I got
the Zenith approved 3/4"x3/4"x0.125" Aluminum angle. (3-25' sticks cut
into 13' and 12' sections) All of this, plus tax, was $700.60. Add in a
$25 bill for gas, and I think that I got by fairly cheap. Aircraft
Spruce, was wanting a fortune to ship a 4'x12' pallet for the 0.040"
since they wouldn't roll it for me.
Now for the unrolling.....
With my wife's help, here is the way we unrolled this tightly coiled
spring. I used a couple of hand clamps, (the ones you squeeze together
by hand) positioned about 180degrees from the end. We popped loose the
ratchet straps while doing the best we could of holding on also, along
with the clamps. We then unrolled the roll until the clamps were on the
bottom. Then we grabbed 2 more clamps and clamped close to where the
existing clamp was, but made sure we just clamped the coil that was
still wound up. Then we undid the first clamps and rolled another 3/4
roll and did the same thing over again. Since the thinner sheets were
shoved inside the heavier, we still had the thinner sheets to unwrap. We
clamped the interior rolls, and carried the spool back to the beginning
of the table and did the same thing for the 0.025". Then unrolled the
0.016" by hand.Anyway, it is an idea that may help someone on trying to
unroll tightly wound coils or to reafirm a person's confidence about
handling-hauling some of the heavier Aluminum sheets.
NOTE: ALTHOUGH I DID HAVE A FAIRLY TIGHT RADIUS, I DID MAKE SURE I GOT
HOME, AND GOT IT UNROLLED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, SO THAT NO MEMORY
"CURVE-BEND" GOT SET INTO THE SHEET. APPROX. 7 HOURS. JUST MY EXPERIENCE
TO YOU.
Keith
CH701 - 8% (but will be getting farther along now that I have some metal.)
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
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| Subject: | Airworthiness passed |
Gents,
I passed my airworthiness inspection today. I was hit on the following
items:
-Aileron pushrod heim bolts had one thread showing; needed two.
-Trim indicators were not labeled.
-Wiring under the control stick was a bit sloppy. Cleaned up with a few tie
wraps.
-Did not have a pouch in the cockpit for the registration and airworthiness paperwork.
-this pouch must be visible from outside the cockpit...
-I had a few unused holes in the floor that must be sealed. (CO levels in C/P)
Overall, it was a good experience. All of his hits were quite valid, and
caught a few things that I either overlooked, or was sloppy. If taxi tests
go well in the morning, first flight will be tomorrow afternoon.
R/
Brandon Tucker
601 HDS / Corvair
N601XT
Oceanside, Ca.
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