---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 11/11/06: 32 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:26 AM - Re: Airworthiness passed (Rick R) 2. 04:43 AM - Rudder Pedal Travel (Chris sinfield) 3. 04:46 AM - Re: What should the empty CG be for the 601XL? (Martin Pohl) 4. 04:47 AM - Re: Airworthiness passed (Gary Boothe) 5. 05:19 AM - LRI Probe location (Jean-Paul Roy) 6. 05:56 AM - Re: Rudder Pedal Travel (Robin Bellach) 7. 06:00 AM - Re: LRI Probe location (Paul Mulwitz) 8. 06:19 AM - Check List (robert stone) 9. 10:27 AM - Re: LRI Probe location (Jean-Paul Roy) 10. 12:17 PM - placing tank on CH601-HD wing (Carlos Sa) 11. 01:24 PM - Re: Rolling a 0.040 sheet () 12. 01:54 PM - STATIC PORT LOCATION???? (nick@aoaircrafters.com) 13. 02:46 PM - Rotax 912 Fuel Pump Inlet/Outlet (Tommy Walker) 14. 02:50 PM - Re: Airworthiness passed (Tommy Walker) 15. 03:27 PM - Re: placing tank on CH601-HD wing (Jeff) 16. 03:47 PM - Re: Rotax 912 Fuel Pump Inlet/Outlet (Trevor Page) 17. 04:16 PM - Re: LRI Probe location (Roger Roy) 18. 04:48 PM - Re: LRI Probe location (robert stone) 19. 04:57 PM - Re: Returned Mail: Re: LRI Probe location (robert stone) 20. 05:07 PM - Re: Rotax 912 Fuel Pump Inlet/Outlet (NYTerminat@aol.com) 21. 05:36 PM - Re: STATIC PORT LOCATION???? (Brandon Tucker) 22. 05:42 PM - Re:912 fuel pump (Zed Smith) 23. 06:27 PM - Re: LRI Probe location (Jean-Paul Roy) 24. 06:35 PM - Re: Rotax 912 Fuel Pump Inlet/Outlet (RURUNY@aol.com) 25. 06:49 PM - aircraft inspection (PipercubDream@aol.com) 26. 06:54 PM - Vortex Generators on 601 HDS (DICK WILBERS) 27. 07:57 PM - Re: Rotax 912 Fuel Pump Inlet/Outlet (Les Goldner) 28. 08:20 PM - Re: aircraft inspection (Paul Mulwitz) 29. 09:42 PM - Re: Vortex Generators on 601 HDS (N601RT) 30. 10:08 PM - Re: Airworthiness passed (Ron Lendon) 31. 10:21 PM - Re: aircraft inspection (Brandon Tucker) 32. 10:50 PM - Re: aircraft inspection (Bryan Martin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:53 AM PST US From: Rick R Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Airworthiness passed Excellent Brandon.......send us some photos! do not archive Brandon Tucker wrote: Gents, I passed my airworthiness inspection today. I was hit on the following items: Rick Sharpsburg, GA. USA http://www.n701rr.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:31 AM PST US From: Chris sinfield Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder Pedal Travel Hi Gang Can someone tell me the Rudder Pedal travel (deflection) from the Neutral position. The plans show neutral as 200 mm from the firewall. I am fitting the Duel brake cylinders and one of them (LH) is hitting the rudder pedal bar. I can reposition the lower LH cylinder bracket, but I need to know how much to move it aft and that depends on the amount of travel (deflection) needed. Its easier to do it now than when I have built the plane and fit the rudder cables. Chris. --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:41 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: What should the empty CG be for the 601XL? From: "Martin Pohl" How comes that the XL can have an approved C.G. range of 300 - 450 mm in the U.S. (MTOW = 600 kg) and a much better range of 300 - 520 mm in the U.K. (MTOW = 560 kg)? Link to PFA (UK) Zodiac XL type certificate: The C.G. range is a matter of aerodynamics and not of the MTOW-limit. The MTOW mainly depends on structural strength (mainly wing bending which is the limiting factor for the XL maximum loading). Or am I not right? Is there anybody who can explain? Is it perhaps because of the elongated elevator-trim-tab (over the whole left elevator width)? Cheers from Switzerland Martin XL-builder, QBK Czech Aircraft Works[/url] -------- Martin Pohl Zodiac XL QBK 8645 Jona, Switzerland www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73716#73716 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:03 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Airworthiness passed Congratulations! Looks like you'll have TWO births to celebrate! Gary Boothe Do Not Archive _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Tucker Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 8:30 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Airworthiness passed Gents, I passed my airworthiness inspection today. I was hit on the following items: -Aileron pushrod heim bolts had one thread showing; needed two. -Trim indicators were not labeled. -Wiring under the control stick was a bit sloppy. Cleaned up with a few tie wraps. -Did not have a pouch in the cockpit for the registration and airworthiness paperwork. -this pouch must be visible from outside the cockpit... -I had a few unused holes in the floor that must be sealed. (CO levels in C/P) Overall, it was a good experience. All of his hits were quite valid, and caught a few things that I either overlooked, or was sloppy. If taxi tests go well in the morning, first flight will be tomorrow afternoon. R/ Brandon Tucker 601 HDS / Corvair N601XT Oceanside, Ca. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:46 AM PST US From: "Jean-Paul Roy" Subject: Zenith-List: LRI Probe location Good day listers, I'm actually building my wings (both at the same time since I have 2 tables). As I am looking forward to install a LRI (Lift Reserve Indicator) on my 701, I wondered if it would be indicated to prepare ahead of time for the installation of the probe (cutting the opening for the probe and installing the vinyl tubing inside the wing before skinning). Now my question; Where exactly do I cut the opening for the probe ? ie beside wich rib and how far from the leading edge ? How big of an opening ? Thanks kindly for any infos. Jean-Paul Roy Angliers, Qc. working on wing skeleton ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:58 AM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder Pedal Travel I have my XL rudder pedals centered 220mm from the firewall and maximum travel is 155mm to 280mm from firewall. This is with the nosewheel installed and not the rudder, so this is maximum travel as limited only by the nosewheel. I assume the rudder stops will provide some further travel limitation. Robin in AR 601XL N601ZV Zen-Vair ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris sinfield To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 6:42 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder Pedal Travel Hi Gang Can someone tell me the Rudder Pedal travel (deflection) from the Neutral position. The plans show neutral as 200 mm from the firewall. I am fitting the Duel brake cylinders and one of them (LH) is hitting the rudder pedal bar. I can reposition the lower LH cylinder bracket, but I need to know how much to move it aft and that depends on the amount of travel (deflection) needed. Its easier to do it now than when I have built the plane and fit the rudder cables. Chris. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:26 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI Probe location Hi Jean-Paul, I mounted mine in pretty much the same place as the pitot-static probe except on the other wing. I mounted both of them on "Inspection plates" to prevent damage while moving the wing around before final use. I don't remember exactly where on the chord the probe was mounted. I think I remember some direction on this question on the LRI drawings. Good luck, Paul XL fuselage At 05:18 AM 11/11/2006, you wrote: >Good day listers, I'm actually building my wings (both at the same >time since I have 2 tables). > >As I am looking forward to install a LRI (Lift Reserve Indicator) on >my 701, I wondered if it would be indicated to prepare ahead of time >for the installation of the probe (cutting the opening for the probe >and installing the vinyl tubing inside the wing before skinning). > >Now my question; Where exactly do I cut the opening for the probe ? >ie beside wich rib and how far from the leading edge ? How big of an opening ? > >Thanks kindly for any infos. > >Jean-Paul Roy >Angliers, Qc. >working on wing skeleton --------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:28 AM PST US From: "robert stone" Subject: Zenith-List: Check List Members, If anyone who has a completed ZodiacXL with the Jabiru 3300 engine installed has made up a power off and power on check list, I would like to see it. Bob Stone, Harker Heighgts, Tx ZodiacXL ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:27:40 AM PST US From: "Jean-Paul Roy" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI Probe location Thanks Paul, that gives me a good idea. I was going to install them on ''plates'' as well. Regards J.P. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Mulwitz To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 8:58 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI Probe location Hi Jean-Paul, I mounted mine in pretty much the same place as the pitot-static probe except on the other wing. I mounted both of them on "Inspection plates" to prevent damage while moving the wing around before final use. I don't remember exactly where on the chord the probe was mounted. I think I remember some direction on this question on the LRI drawings. Good luck, Paul XL fuselage At 05:18 AM 11/11/2006, you wrote: Good day listers, I'm actually building my wings (both at the same time since I have 2 tables). As I am looking forward to install a LRI (Lift Reserve Indicator) on my 701, I wondered if it would be indicated to prepare ahead of time for the installation of the probe (cutting the opening for the probe and installing the vinyl tubing inside the wing before skinning). Now my question; Where exactly do I cut the opening for the probe ? ie beside wich rib and how far from the leading edge ? How big of an opening ? Thanks kindly for any infos. Jean-Paul Roy Angliers, Qc. working on wing skeleton --------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:31 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: placing tank on CH601-HD wing From: "Carlos Sa" This is something I need to ask ZAC, but while I wait for Monday, I would like to have the list's input. The schematics I have show the leading edge tank in place between ribs, and, on the far end (from the fuse), supported on the side by one l-angle attached to the adjacent rib, and by two l-angles forming a "Z", attached to the spar (see attached diagram). The opposite end of the tank has no such supports. The question is, Have you added similar supports? Comments, anyone? thanks in advance, and for now, do not archive. -------- CH601-HD, plans Montreal, Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73772#73772 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tank_in_place_drawing_831.jpg ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:40 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rolling a 0.040 sheet Keith, that's a very good way to do it. Not nearly as interesting, tho ugh, as using a utility knife with a looong handle, from the back of a friend's speeding motorcycle!! (optional as to beers before or after. )=0A=0APAul Rodriguez=0A601XL/Corvair=0A=0ADO NOT ARCHI VE=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From: Keith Ashcraft =0A To: zenith-list@matronics.com =0A Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 2:35 PM=0A Subject: Zenith-List: Rolling a 0.040 sheet=0A hcraft@itt.com>=0A=0A Hello All, =0A=0A I will try sending this again. It seems like the first 2 times it didn't =0A go through.=0A=0A=0A Well, I did it !! I can say that a 0.040x4x12 sheet 6061 Aluminum, can be =0A rol led and shipped. Now before some of you say "yeah, I did that", I do =0A remember reading where some have had this experience with roll ed 0.040" =0A sheets.. but...=0A=0A Here is my story.... =0A=0A I figured that I could get by with a 34" dia. roll, and tha t would fit =0A inside my Expedition easy. Well, the 2 guys at "AL RECO" (in North =0A Denver) "cha-ching plug" started rolling it an d got it to 24" easily. I =0A then put on a couple of ratch-straps , snugged it down and then used it =0A to hold everything else thi nner inside. I ended up rolling (3) sheets of =0A 0.025", and (2) sheets of 0.016" and let them coil inside the 0.040". =0A The whol e package could have fit inside the back of my Subaru Baja, but =0A I didn't want to get to Denver and find out that it couldn't. I also got =0A the following 2'x4' sheets 0.063", 0.090", and 0.125". an d then I got =0A the Zenith approved 3/4"x3/4"x0.125" Aluminum ang le. (3-25' sticks cut =0A into 13' and 12' sections) All of this, plus tax, was $700.60. Add in a =0A $25 bill for gas, and I think that I got by fairly cheap. Aircraft =0A Spruce, was wanting a for tune to ship a 4'x12' pallet for the 0.040" =0A since they wouldn' t roll it for me.=0A=0A Now for the unrolling.....=0A With my wife's help, here is the way we unrolled this tightly coiled =0A spring. I used a couple of hand clamps, (the ones you squeeze togeth er =0A by hand) positioned about 180degrees from the end. We poppe d loose the =0A ratchet straps while doing the best we could of ho lding on also, along =0A with the clamps. We then unrolled the rol l until the clamps were on the =0A bottom. Then we grabbed 2 more clamps and clamped close to where the =0A existing clamp was, but made sure we just clamped the coil that was =0A still wound up. Th en we undid the first clamps and rolled another 3/4 =0A roll and d id the same thing over again. Since the thinner sheets were =0A sh oved inside the heavier, we still had the thinner sheets to unwrap. We =0A clamped the interior rolls, and carried the spool back to the beginning =0A of the table and did the same thing for the 0.025". Then unrolled the =0A 0.016" by hand.Anyway, it is an idea that m ay help someone on trying to =0A unroll tightly wound coils or to reafirm a person's confidence about =0A handling-hauling some of t he heavier Aluminum sheets.=0A=0A NOTE: ALTHOUGH I DID HAVE A F AIRLY TIGHT RADIUS, I DID MAKE SURE I GOT =0A HOME, AND GOT IT UNR OLLED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, SO THAT NO MEMORY =0A "CURVE-BEND" GOT SET INTO THE SHEET. APPROX. 7 HOURS. JUST MY EXPERIENCE =0A TO YOU =0A=0A Keith=0A CH701 - 8% (but will be getting farther al ong now that I have some metal.)=0A N 38.9947=0A W 105.1305 =0A Alt. 9,100'=0A ************************************=0A Th is e-mail and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and intend ed solely=0A for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have=0A received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views=0A or opinions pres ented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not=0A necessarily represent those of ITT, Inc. The recipient should check =0A this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT accepts=0A no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmi tted by this e-mail.=0A ************************************=0A ======================= omebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com ======================= ======================= s.com/Navigator?Zenith-List 912'ers, I am plumbing up my fuel lines and have run into a problem with the ZAC supplied fuel lines, connectors, etc. I thought someone who has been there/done that, would be a good solution (I also emailed Support@zenithair.com). The inlet side of the fuel pump is a 5/16 nipple and the outlet side is a 1/4 nipple. All the material I got in my kit is for a 1/4 plumbing scheme. I'm wondering what some of you did to your lines when you plumbed the fuel system. Thanks, Tommy Walker in Alabama Do Not Archive N8701 80% done 50% to go. -------- Tommy Walker Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73787#73787 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:45 PM PST US From: "Tommy Walker" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Airworthiness passed You Go Brandon! Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:09 PM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: RE: Zenith-List: placing tank on CH601-HD wing Carlos, My LE tank manual "supplement" for the HD wings shows the same. Mine is one page of hand written drawings, but with the current telephone number in Mexico, MO. What you describe is in the lower left corner of the supplement. If you look very carefully, the L that creates the second flange for the "new" nose rib at station 170 is on the detail at the far right of the page. On the larger drawing in the center, if you look at the area that is detailed on the lower right of the page, it shows a single L close to the fuel cap. At the other end of the tank in the drawing, there is an L in a circle pointing to a location very close, but not on the new nose rib. At that location, I made another "Z" using 2 l-angles to hold that end of the tank away from the spar. The drawing in that area is partly obscured by the spar doublers. This is a long way of saying that I just put a second Z made up of 2 Ls at the fuselage end of the fuel tank and a strip of cork on the tank at both locations. Jeff Davidson This is something I need to ask ZAC, but while I wait for Monday, I would like to have the list's input. The schematics I have show the leading edge tank in place between ribs, and, on the far end (from the fuse), supported on the side by one l-angle attached to the adjacent rib, and by two l-angles forming a "Z", attached to the spar (see attached diagram). The opposite end of the tank has no such supports. The question is, Have you added similar supports? Comments, anyone? thanks in advance, and for now, do not archive. -------- CH601-HD, plans Montreal, Canada ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:13 PM PST US From: Trevor Page Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rotax 912 Fuel Pump Inlet/Outlet Tommy, the only thing I did to my lines to and from the pump was to cover them in firesleeve to prevent the fuel from boiling and causing vapour lock. It can get pretty hot under that cowl. Trevor Page UPAC Webmaster www.upac.ca On Nov 11, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Tommy Walker wrote: > > > 912'ers, > > I am plumbing up my fuel lines and have run into a problem with the > ZAC supplied fuel lines, connectors, etc. I thought someone who > has been there/done that, would be a good solution (I also emailed > Support@zenithair.com). The inlet side of the fuel pump is a 5/16 > nipple and the outlet side is a 1/4 nipple. All the material I got > in my kit is for a 1/4 plumbing scheme. I'm wondering what some of > you did to your lines when you plumbed the fuel system. > > Thanks, > > Tommy Walker in Alabama > Do Not Archive > N8701 > 80% done 50% to go. > > -------- > Tommy Walker > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73787#73787 > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:16:04 PM PST US From: "Roger Roy" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI Probe location Photo E-mail Play slideshow | Download images Hi JP, check out my pixs on the LRI installation on my Savannah RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jean-Paul Roy To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 8:18 AM Subject: Zenith-List: LRI Probe location Good day listers, I'm actually building my wings (both at the same time since I have 2 tables). As I am looking forward to install a LRI (Lift Reserve Indicator) on my 701, I wondered if it would be indicated to prepare ahead of time for the installation of the probe (cutting the opening for the probe and installing the vinyl tubing inside the wing before skinning). Now my question; Where exactly do I cut the opening for the probe ? ie beside wich rib and how far from the leading edge ? How big of an opening ? Thanks kindly for any infos. Jean-Paul Roy Angliers, Qc. working on wing skeleton www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List This MSN Photo E-mail slideshow will be available for 30 days. To share high quality pictures with your friends and family using MSN Photo E-mail, join MSN. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:26 PM PST US From: "robert stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI Probe location Roger, I like the system where one has only to click on the first picture and then sit back and watch the slid show. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx ZodiacXL ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Roy To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI Probe location Photo E-mail Play slideshow | Download images Hi JP, check out my pixs on the LRI installation on my Savannah RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jean-Paul Roy To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 8:18 AM Subject: Zenith-List: LRI Probe location Good day listers, I'm actually building my wings (both at the same time since I have 2 tables). As I am looking forward to install a LRI (Lift Reserve Indicator) on my 701, I wondered if it would be indicated to prepare ahead of time for the installation of the probe (cutting the opening for the probe and installing the vinyl tubing inside the wing before skinning). Now my question; Where exactly do I cut the opening for the probe ? ie beside wich rib and how far from the leading edge ? How big of an opening ? Thanks kindly for any infos. Jean-Paul Roy Angliers, Qc. working on wing skeleton href="http://www.aeroelectric.com/">www.aeroelectric.com title=http://www.buildersbooks.com/ href="http://www.buildersbooks.com/">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com/">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com/">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron This MSN Photo E-mail slideshow will be available for 30 days. To share high quality pictures with your friends and family using MSN Photo E-mail, join MSN. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:28 PM PST US From: "robert stone" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Returned Mail: Re: LRI Probe location Matt, I am registered and have been for a long time. Bob Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 6:50 PM Subject: Returned Mail: Re: LRI Probe location > The following message from "robert stone" was not > authorized for entry in the Matronics Email Lists forum. > > Reason: There were problems with the attachments [The number of > attachments in this email exceeds the maximum number of 10] > > > Visit this URL to register: http://forums.matronics.com//index.php > > From: "robert stone" > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: LRI Probe location > **************************************** > > Roger, > I like the system where one has only to click on the first picture and > then sit back and watch the slid show. > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx > ZodiacXL > --- > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:05 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rotax 912 Fuel Pump Inlet/Outlet Tommy, I changed at the firewall from 1/4" to 5/16" using brass fittings. Then I went into the filter (Skyshops supplied a 5/16" filter) then I went to the inlet of the fuel pump. I also covered my lines in firesleeve. I'll send you a picture directly. Bob Spudis N701ZX In a message dated 11/11/2006 6:48:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, webmaster@upac.ca writes: Tommy, the only thing I did to my lines to and from the pump was to cover them in firesleeve to prevent the fuel from boiling and causing vapour lock. It can get pretty hot under that cowl. Trevor Page UPAC Webmaster www.upac.ca On Nov 11, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Tommy Walker wrote: (mailto:twalker@cableone.net) > 912'ers, I am plumbing up my fuel lines and have run into a problem with the ZAC supplied fuel lines, connectors, etc. I thought someone who has been there/done that, would be a good solution (I also emailed _Support@zenithair.com_ (mailto:Support@zenithair.com) ). The inlet side of the fuel pump is a 5/16 nipple and the outlet side is a 1/4 nipple. All the material I got in my kit is for a 1/4 plumbing scheme. I'm wondering what some of you did to your lines when you plumbed the fuel system. Thanks, Tommy Walker in Alabama Do Not Archive N8701 80% done 50% to go. -------- Tommy Walker ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:42 PM PST US From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: RE: STATIC PORT LOCATION???? Nick, I put my static port on the side of the fuselage a couple of feet forward of the horizontal stab. This is the same location as I remembered on the T-34C. I performed taxi tests today, and got airborne for a couple thousand feet a couple of times. The airspeed seemed to be tracking very well, very close to the GPS indicated speed plus headwind. I can't quite call it proven yet, but give me a few days... I have to work out some carburetor issues before I am willing to take it to altitude. Don't fret, most low wing aircraft have the static ports on the aft fuselage. R/ Brandon Tucker --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:52 PM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: re:912 fuel pump Tommy, If the question related to the two different size nipples, just push the hose on the larger one with some 'slick-um' and clamp as usual. Use the firesleeve, too. Regards, Zed do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:55 PM PST US From: "Jean-Paul Roy" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI Probe location Hey Roger. good job. I assume you routed your lines through the struts fairings. Am I correct? Regards J.P. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Roy To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 7:13 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI Probe location Photo E-mail Play slideshow | Download images Hi JP, check out my pixs on the LRI installation on my Savannah RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jean-Paul Roy To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 8:18 AM Subject: Zenith-List: LRI Probe location Good day listers, I'm actually building my wings (both at the same time since I have 2 tables). As I am looking forward to install a LRI (Lift Reserve Indicator) on my 701, I wondered if it would be indicated to prepare ahead of time for the installation of the probe (cutting the opening for the probe and installing the vinyl tubing inside the wing before skinning). Now my question; Where exactly do I cut the opening for the probe ? ie beside wich rib and how far from the leading edge ? How big of an opening ? Thanks kindly for any infos. Jean-Paul Roy Angliers, Qc. working on wing skeleton href="http://www.aeroelectric.com/">www.aeroelectric.com title=http://www.buildersbooks.com/ href="http://www.buildersbooks.com/">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com/">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com/">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron This MSN Photo E-mail slideshow will be available for 30 days. To share high quality pictures with your friends and family using MSN Photo E-mail, join MSN. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:28 PM PST US From: RURUNY@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rotax 912 Fuel Pump Inlet/Outlet Tommy, I have the main and aux tanks for my 701. I have 1/4 inch hose from the tanks to the gascolaters mounted behind the seat, one for inboard tanks and the other for outboard tanks. Since the 912 pump input is 5/16 I figured I'd just make everything 5/16 from the outlet of these gascolaters.This makes 2 1/4 inch lines feeding 1 5/16 line right up to that fuel pump. I switched all brass fittings with 5/16 ones from_ McMaster Carr_ (http://www.mcmaster.com/) (catalog page 239). They sell them in 10 packs or 5 packs depending on if they are straight, right angle or 45 deg. They are relatively inexpensive, and you can get them in 1/4 or 1/8 npt depending on what you need. I come out of the gascolaters(1/8 npt) into the fuel selector(2 right angle 1/4 npt) just in front of the pilots seat. Output of selector is 45 deg 1/4 npt.Then into a _10 micron 6061-T6 aluminum_ (http://www.golanproducts.com/) filter with 5/16 barbs built into it only 6 inches away from the selector. I run up the left side with 5/16 line purchased from _Wicks Aircraft goodyear 30R7 _ (http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_detail.php/pid=14521~subid=7162/index.html) to a _Facet 10405_ (http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_detail.php/pid=4928~subid=1410/index.html) aux pump in front of the rudder pedals mounted on the floor. The facet input is a right angle 5/16 1/4 npt fitting and the output is a strait one. Then into a fuel flow sensor for my GRT EIS with strait fittings. Then thru the firewall via an _ACS Gascolater_ (http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_detail.php/pid=5015~subid=1434/index.html) . The output of the gascolater has a 5/16 right angle 1/4 npt and the input has a strait fitting. Then on up and over to the 5/16 mechanical fuel pump input. I am using firesleeve on the 5/16 and 1/4 hose firewall forward. I did not get any 5/16 fittings from Zenith or any 5/16 hose. This is probably more info than what you needed but I'm just putting this out there for others and if anyone has a problem with this let me know. Brian ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:00 PM PST US From: PipercubDream@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: aircraft inspection Hello, I have a 701 tail kit on the way and I'm looking forward to building this fine aircraft. I was curious about the inspection process of a all metal aircraft. With tube and fabric it is pretty easy to perform a pre-cover inspection, how is this accomplished with metal? Does each component have to be inspected before closing or does photo documentation suffice? Thanks, Ben ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:16 PM PST US From: "DICK WILBERS" Subject: Zenith-List: Vortex Generators on 601 HDS Dear List: Has anyone installed Vortex Generators on the 601 HDS? I have met a guy from Niagara Aircraft, a Canadian Co., who says he can furnish VG's for the 601 HDS. This may be interesting if he is correct. Regards, Richard in Florida ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:59 PM PST US From: "Les Goldner" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rotax 912 Fuel Pump Inlet/Outlet Bob, Could you please also send me your firewall pics. Thanks Les Goldner Berkeley, CA 94705 lgold@quantum-associates.com (701 builder, starting on the fus next month) _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of NYTerminat@aol.com Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 5:07 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rotax 912 Fuel Pump Inlet/Outlet Tommy, I changed at the firewall from 1/4" to 5/16" using brass fittings. Then I went into the filter (Skyshops supplied a 5/16" filter) then I went to the inlet of the fuel pump. I also covered my lines in firesleeve. I'll send you a picture directly. Bob Spudis N701ZX In a message dated 11/11/2006 6:48:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, webmaster@upac.ca writes: Tommy, the only thing I did to my lines to and from the pump was to cover them in firesleeve to prevent the fuel from boiling and causing vapour lock. It can get pretty hot under that cowl. Trevor Page UPAC Webmaster www.upac.ca On Nov 11, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Tommy Walker wrote: 912'ers, I am plumbing up my fuel lines and have run into a problem with the ZAC supplied fuel lines, connectors, etc. I thought someone who has been there/done that, would be a good solution (I also emailed Support@zenithair.com). The inlet side of the fuel pump is a 5/16 nipple and the outlet side is a 1/4 nipple. All the material I got in my kit is for a 1/4 plumbing scheme. I'm wondering what some of you did to your lines when you plumbed the fuel system. Thanks, Tommy Walker in Alabama Do Not Archive N8701 80% done 50% to go. -------- Tommy Walker ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:06 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: aircraft inspection Hi Ben, I don't think pre-cover inspections are needed in the USA any more. I am sure there is no such requirement for all metal aircraft like the 701. Paul XL fuselage At 06:47 PM 11/11/2006, you wrote: >Hello, > >I have a 701 tail kit on the way and I'm looking forward to building >this fine aircraft. I was curious about the inspection process of a >all metal aircraft. With tube and fabric it is pretty easy to >perform a pre-cover inspection, how is this accomplished with >metal? Does each component have to be inspected before closing or >does photo documentation suffice? > >Thanks, > >Ben - ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:18 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Vortex Generators on 601 HDS From: "N601RT" This has been discussed many times. Search is your friend. Go to http://www.matronics.com/searching/ws_script_short.cgi , select Zenith for the archive and enter "vortex" for the search string. Using "vortex & HDS" for the search string limits the hits somewhat. Using "vortex & N601RT" will find my post on this subject. Note from part of the search instructions: Using the Vertical Bar ( | ) for logical OR and the Ampersand ( & ) for logical AND Regards, Roy N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped, 653hrs, 760 landings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73829#73829 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:54 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Airworthiness passed From: "Ron Lendon" Congratulations Brandon! Yes please do send pictures. I am just getting the engine ready to machine. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73832#73832 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:07 PM PST US From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: Re: aircraft inspection Ben, Pre-cover inspections are not required in the US. You are supposed to record your own pre-cover inspections in your builder's log. I did not know that and did not do it. Which is why I am very glad that I used my EAA chapter's tech counselor, who came out for mid-build inspections. When he later acted as the DAR for my airworthiness inspection, it was a lot easier. When I offered him my builder's log and the photos of the build, he just smiled. Since he had seen the plane twice before and tracked my progress through our monthly chapter meetings, he knew I built it, and didn't need the proof. VR/ Brandon Tucker 601 HDS Taxi testing --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:10 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: aircraft inspection I invited a tech councilor from my EAA chapter out to look over my wings and fuselage before I did the final riveting. I don't think it's required but it's not a bad idea to have another pair of eyes look things over. On Nov 11, 2006, at 9:47 PM, PipercubDream@aol.com wrote: > Hello, > > I have a 701 tail kit on the way and I'm looking forward to > building this fine aircraft. I was curious about the inspection > process of a all metal aircraft. With tube and fabric it is pretty > easy to perform a pre-cover inspection, how is this accomplished > with metal? Does each component have to be inspected before > closing or does photo documentation suffice? > > Thanks, > > Ben -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive.