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0. 12:40 AM - WLAS [Please Read] (Matt Dralle)
1. 12:45 AM - Re: CH601XL: Centre of Gravity (Hunt Malcolm)
2. 01:09 AM - Re: CH601XL: Centre of Gravity (Martin Pohl)
3. 01:47 AM - Re: STATIC PORT LOCATION???? (Brian Rides)
4. 06:33 AM - Re: STATIC PORT LOCATION???? ()
5. 08:46 AM - off topic/landing off airport (john butterfield)
6. 09:41 AM - Re: off topic/landing off airport (Paul Mulwitz)
7. 09:54 AM - Re: off topic/landing off airport (R.P.)
8. 10:12 AM - Re: off topic/landing off airport (Samm Munn)
9. 10:34 AM - Re: off topic/landing off airport (Carlos Sa)
10. 11:14 AM - Re: off topic/landing off airport (Noel Loveys)
11. 12:20 PM - Re: Off Airport (Zed Smith)
12. 12:35 PM - Re: Re: Off Airport ()
13. 02:20 PM - Re: Polishing (Bill Naumuk)
14. 02:56 PM - Re: Re: Off Airport (Dave Ruddiman)
15. 04:44 PM - Re: Re: Off Airport (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
16. 04:46 PM - Re: Polishing (Tim & Diane Shankland)
17. 05:13 PM - Re: Any News on the CH-750? (Chris Lewis)
18. 05:14 PM - Door glass, Rivet? (dj45)
19. 05:46 PM - Re: Re: Any News on the CH-750? (Zodie Rocket)
20. 05:58 PM - LANDING LIGHT WIRE (Dave Ruddiman)
21. 06:03 PM - Re: STATIC PORT LOCATION???? (Juan Vega)
22. 06:54 PM - Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (Matt Stecher)
23. 06:57 PM - Re: LANDING LIGHT WIRE (don wentz)
24. 06:59 PM - Re: LANDING LIGHT WIRE (leinad)
25. 08:04 PM - Re: Re: Off Airport (Gary Boothe)
26. 08:10 PM - Loss of Jim Pellien in crash of 601VA (David X)
27. 08:24 PM - Re: Loss of Jim Pellien in crash of 601VA (David X)
28. 08:25 PM - Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (Dave Ruddiman)
29. 08:30 PM - Re: Re: LANDING LIGHT WIRE (Dave Ruddiman)
30. 08:39 PM - Re: off topic/landing off airport (T. Graziano)
31. 09:57 PM - Re: Re: Off Airport (Edward Moody II)
32. 10:11 PM - Re: Loss of Jim Pellien in crash of 601VA (NYTerminat@aol.com)
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| Subject: | CH601XL: Centre of Gravity |
Martin
Just picked up on this one.
The British aircraft are built to the Czech drawings which have changed
the angle of incidence of the wing. Following this Chris Heintz agreed
that the aft C of G could be increased (to 19.5" [495mm] - according to
the UK agent). Maybe the further slight increase to 520mm is following
further flight testing with the full width elevator trim and the trim
bias system in place.
Hope this helps
Malcolm Hunt
CH601XL Plans Builder in England
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Martin Pohl
Sent: 12 November 2006 13:59
Subject: Zenith-List: CH601XL: Center of Gravity
Hi folks
How comes that the XL can have an approved C.G. range of 300 - 450 mm in
the U.S. (MTOW = 600 kg) and a much better range of 300 - 520 mm in the
U.K. (MTOW = 560 kg)?
Link to PFA (UK) Zodiac XL type certificate:
http://www.pfa.org.uk/Data%20Sheets/162B%20ZENAIR%20CH601-XL.pdf
The C.G. range is in my opinion a matter of aerodynamics solely and not
of the MTOW-limit. The MTOW mainly depends on structural strength
(mainly wing bending which is the limiting factor for the XL maximum
loading). Or am I not right?
Is there anybody who can explain? Is it perhaps because of the elongated
elevator-trim-tab (over the whole left elevator width)?
Cheers from Switzerland
Martin
XL-builder, QBK Czech Aircraft Works
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Zodiac XL QBK
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| Subject: | Re: CH601XL: Centre of Gravity |
Hi Malcolm
Good stuff - I checked the drawings and did not realize that the angle of incidence
is different for Zenair's resp. CZAW's Zodiac XL. I will recheck them :-).
Anyway, thank you for the information. It certainly is good to have this larger
C.G. range as most of us flying with 2 adult persons have a rather tail-heavy
aircraft.
Rgds
Martin
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Martin Pohl
Zodiac XL QBK
8645 Jona, Switzerland
www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL
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| Subject: | STATIC PORT LOCATION???? |
I have just purchased a 601HDS. This aeroplane was constructed without a
static port. The ASI overreads madly at low speeds and undereads at high
speeds. An accurate static port location on the fuselage would be much
appreciated.
>From: nick@aoaircrafters.com
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: STATIC PORT LOCATION????
>Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 14:53:42 -0700
>
>
>Zodiac 601's,
>
>I wish to place a static port on my Zodiac 601 HD. The construction
>manual recommends placing the static port next to the pitot tube in the
>right wing; however, the wing is already closed up, so this location is
>off limits.
>
>My only alternative is to either leave out the static port or place the
>static port in a different location. For various reasons, I have
>decided to place a single static port somewhere on the fuselage sides.
>I recently purchased a static port from Aircraft Spruce and Specialty.
>
>Does anyone know of a proven location (an accurate location) for the
>placement of a flush mounted static port?
>
>Thanks mucho,
>
>~Nick
>
>95% finished!! :)
>
>
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| Subject: | STATIC PORT LOCATION???? |
The 601XL kit includes a dual probe unit in which one probe is the pitot tube and
the other is the static port. Any chance you could retro-install such a unit
on the underside of the wing about 6 - 10" aft of the spar and be able to fish
the tubing to/from it in your airplane? You may be able to remove the wing
and use a fish tape to reach the pitot location particulalry if you mount the
dual probe unit on an inspection plate like Paul Mulwitz has suggested.
Ed Moody II
Rayne, LA
601XL/Jabiru/cabin area
---- Brian Rides <therideses@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> I have just purchased a 601HDS. This aeroplane was constructed without a
> static port. The ASI overreads madly at low speeds and undereads at high
> speeds. An accurate static port location on the fuselage would be much
> appreciated.
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| Subject: | off topic/landing off airport |
hi list
i am nearing the completion of my 601 and have
wondered overthe past 18 months about landing my
airplane on private property. I know the rule about
vfr flight and avoidance of structures, but many of
the people on this list fly off there own propety. is
there any faa rule that prevents landing on your own
property or say dirt roads off in the sticks.
regards
john butterfield
601xl/corvair
torrance, ca
http://new.mail.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: off topic/landing off airport |
Hi John,
I don't know of any FAA rules about where you can land your plane. I
do know there are very significant safety issues to consider when
landing off airport. It is one thing to make an emergency landing
when the engine quits, but quite another when you intend to do
regular operations off airport.
When using fields as runways, the two big issues are obstacles and
surface condition. I think you would be hard pressed to find a
relatively flat field with at least 1000 feet to take off from. That
might be a good length for a well broken in Zodiac. For initial
flight testing I would want a much longer runway. It would be very
unlikely to find a smooth surface on such a field unless it is a golf
course or some similar park-like setting. In that case the owner is
not likely to be very happy about you flying your plane on his lawn.
Roads are a special problem. They come with telephone wires and
poles, power poles and fences and signs. All of these things will
jump up and grab you. Also the surface quality varies considerably
from one area of road to another. Roads also include the special
feature of having motor vehicles and kids on bicycles using them.
For my money, it is much wiser to find an airport to fly your
plane. There are many public and private runways all over this
country. They all have prepared runways with no sneaky obstructions
and relatively good surface conditions. I would save the off airport
operations to those times when you just don't have any choice.
Paul
XL fuselage
At 08:45 AM 11/13/2006, you wrote:
>
>hi list
>
>i am nearing the completion of my 601 and have
>wondered overthe past 18 months about landing my
>airplane on private property. I know the rule about
>vfr flight and avoidance of structures, but many of
>the people on this list fly off there own propety. is
>there any faa rule that prevents landing on your own
>property or say dirt roads off in the sticks.
>
>regards
>john butterfield
>601xl/corvair
>torrance, ca
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: off topic/landing off airport |
----- Original Message -----
From: "john butterfield" <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:45 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: off topic/landing off airport
> <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
>
> hi list
>
> i am nearing the completion of my 601 and have
> wondered overthe past 18 months about landing my
> airplane on private property. I know the rule about
> vfr flight and avoidance of structures, but many of
> the people on this list fly off there own propety. is
> there any faa rule that prevents landing on your own
> property or say dirt roads off in the sticks.
>
> regards
> john butterfield
> 601xl/corvair
> torrance, ca
>
The way I understand it is that there's no FAA rule about landing off
airport, and no California state law prohibits it either (other states
differ). There ARE rules that prohibit you from landing on any county
maintained roads. This doesn't mean just paved roads, there's a lot of dirt
roads that are county maintained so be careful.
You CAN fly from your own property as long as the neighbors don't complain.
You can also fly from open fields that are NOT your own property as long as
they are not posted "no tresspassing".
I see you're in Torrance, Ca. Come on up to the high desert sometime and
practice landing on the dry lakebeds. El Mirage is the most popular, but
Kohen lake and the western edge of Muroc are OK.too, although you might not
push your luck at Muroc these days. CAUTION!!: Some of these lakebeds belong
to the USAF, so be sure to check out your charts and stay away from the
restricted space around Edwards AFB and don't try to land at the little
paved airstrip at El Mirage dry lake.
This had been my own experience flying in the Upper Mojave desert over the
years, you might run into other legalities and complications in more densly
popultaed areas like Torrance.
Rick Pitcher
601HD flying 3 years, working on fiberglass mold for wheel pants
Lancaster, Ca
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| Subject: | Re: off topic/landing off airport |
The answer to both questions is, "NO!" As long as you comply with FAR
91.119 and FAR 91.13(a), the FAA will not prevent you from operating from
off-airport locations. If you plan continuous operation from the same
location, you may want to involve the FAA to declare your operational area
as a private airport.
FAR 91.119 - Minimum Safe Altitudes: General
Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an
aircraft below the following altitudes:
(a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency
landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.
FAR 91.13 - Careless or reckless operation
(a) Aircraft operations for the purpose of air navigation. No person may
operate an aircraft in a careless or reckless manner so as to endanger the
life or property of another.
----- Original Message -----
From: "john butterfield" <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:45 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: off topic/landing off airport
> <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
>
> hi list
>
> i am nearing the completion of my 601 and have
> wondered overthe past 18 months about landing my
> airplane on private property. I know the rule about
> vfr flight and avoidance of structures, but many of
> the people on this list fly off there own propety. is
> there any faa rule that prevents landing on your own
> property or say dirt roads off in the sticks.
>
> regards
> john butterfield
> 601xl/corvair
> torrance, ca
>
>
> http://new.mail.yahoo.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: off topic/landing off airport |
I believe other authorities (i.e., state and city) may have regulations on
the subject ...
Carlos
CH60-1HD, plans
Montreal, Canada
________________________
> > <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
> >
> > hi list
> >
> > i am nearing the completion of my 601 and have
> > wondered overthe past 18 months about landing my
> > airplane on private property. I know the rule about
> > vfr flight and avoidance of structures, but many of
> > the people on this list fly off there own propety. is
> > there any faa rule that prevents landing on your own
> > property or say dirt roads off in the sticks.
> >
> > regards
> > john butterfield
> > 601xl/corvair
> > torrance, ca
> >
> >
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| Subject: | off topic/landing off airport |
I guess you may also want to check for local by laws. E.g. Laws that
restrict sound ordinances or nuisance laws.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Samm Munn
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 2:42 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: off topic/landing off airport
>
>
>
> The answer to both questions is, "NO!" As long as you comply
> with FAR
> 91.119 and FAR 91.13(a), the FAA will not prevent you from
> operating from
> off-airport locations. If you plan continuous operation from
> the same
> location, you may want to involve the FAA to declare your
> operational area
> as a private airport.
>
> FAR 91.119 - Minimum Safe Altitudes: General
> Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may
> operate an
> aircraft below the following altitudes:
> (a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an
> emergency
> landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.
>
> FAR 91.13 - Careless or reckless operation
> (a) Aircraft operations for the purpose of air navigation. No
> person may
> operate an aircraft in a careless or reckless manner so as to
> endanger the
> life or property of another.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "john butterfield" <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
> To: "Zenith-List Digest Server" <zenith-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:45 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: off topic/landing off airport
>
>
> > <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
> >
> > hi list
> >
> > i am nearing the completion of my 601 and have
> > wondered overthe past 18 months about landing my
> > airplane on private property. I know the rule about
> > vfr flight and avoidance of structures, but many of
> > the people on this list fly off there own propety. is
> > there any faa rule that prevents landing on your own
> > property or say dirt roads off in the sticks.
> >
> > regards
> > john butterfield
> > 601xl/corvair
> > torrance, ca
> >
> >
> >
> > http://new.mail.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Several approaches to this......
Paint large block letters on the side & wings: S H E R I F F
Or, F B I, or, D E A, etc; nobody will ask,
Use camo paint (nobody will see it),
Or paint it yellow, stencil HIGHWAY DEPT on the side ( sleep under the wing...that'll
look normal ), ((Have somebody lean on a shovel to add realism)),
Put spray booms on the plane, look "agricultural", wear bib overalls.
Put up a wind sock. You are automatically at an airport....."Look, Mommy, an airport!"
All kidding aside, it is not advisable to land on any nice flat grassy field, by
choice, until you have walked it.
Ride a four-wheeler at 40 MPH across the field. That'll give you a feel for suitability.
Legal issues not withstanding, you need to KNOW the field beforehand.
And, with winter nearly here, beware of cow piles. A fresh one, frozen solid,
is comparable to a large rock.
Personally, I like grass runways. They differ a bit from paved ones, but they're
fun. You can usually taxi in any direction you desire without permission from
Ground.
Regards,
Zed
do not archive, and do not hit fresh un-frozen piles either. been there, done
that. mud flaps?
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> And, with winter nearly here, beware of cow piles. A fresh one, frozen solid,
is comparable to a large rock.
When they are fresh and completely thawed out they are comparable to an IRS agent.
Ed Moody II
(Taxpayer ID withheld by request)
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Bryan-
Must be what Nuvite is talking about.
F9 should be in by Wednesday. Will give the list progress report
shortly thereafter.
I have 7" HF rotary, 6" HF orbital, and Sears 9" orbital polishers.
Bonnets don't last long considering I'm working around rivets. Still,
I'm glad I decided to polish before I had to do it all uphand.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Martin
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Polishing
Most aircraft aluminum is 2024 alclad, which has a coating of pure
aluminum. This coating is soft and polishes up relatively easily. The
6064 used on the Zenith aircraft is harder and takes more work to
polish. I can tell you that it does polish up nicely and once you get it
there, it holds up well. The F9 should do the job nicely if you have a
decent compounding polisher and bonnets.
Check out http://www.vintagetrailersupply.com/ and click on the
"Polishing Center" link. They have all grades of Nuvite and some good
tools for applying it. Check out the velcro backing plate and wool
polishing pads, they work very well.
Click on this link: http://www.zenithair.com/events.htm and look at
the top photo at the bottom of the page. That's my polished Zodiac on
the left in front of the Zenith hangar.
On Nov 12, 2006, at 12:25 PM, Bill Naumuk wrote:
All-
The coarsest grit ACS offers from Nuvite is G6. Several listers
have recommended F7 or F9 for the first pass, which as far as I know is
only available from the Nuvite website. Something about the difference
between "Coated" and "Uncoated" aluminum. All Zenith aluminum is
uncoated.
I finally got far enough ahead on my winterization to actually
work on the project, and have found out that G6 is about worthless for
taking out normal "Shop rash" scratches. You can polish your guts out
and the metal just looks back and says "I dare you".
My horoscope today says that I'm going to throw good money after
bad. Just ordered 1lb of F9. Hope I didn't.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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My ex mother-in-law was an IRS agent. It doesn't matter if they are frozen
or thawed.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Off Airport
>
>> And, with winter nearly here, beware of cow piles. A fresh one, frozen
>> solid, is comparable to a large rock.
>
> When they are fresh and completely thawed out they are comparable to an
> IRS agent.
>
> Ed Moody II
> (Taxpayer ID withheld by request)
>
>
>
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Ed, I always enjoy your humor and I'm sure the IRS surveillance agents
scanning this thread for 'narr do wells' and evil tax evaders know your just
kidding. You are, Right ? If not, you guys contact me off line and I'll lead you
to
right to him. Ha. Ed, something brilliant I just arrived at something with my
dull attorney brain; '"buy the very best instruments you can afford." I had to
replace the electric turn coordinator this weekend to the tune of $565.00. I
had bought a non TSO'ed and it cost $289.00 and with less than 100 hours
kaput,, total loss ! Looking back over the last 15 months I replaced two
altimeters, two vac gages, CHT gages, DG and now a turn coordinator and I have
a VFR
only instrument panel. Save on paint, save on interior,, but buy the best you can
for instruments because the "cheap" ones will break soon and often. New rule:
anything that has electricity passing through it,, buy best !! By the way,
when you coming over this way and learn how to fly an XL anyway ? Best regards,
Bill
do not archive
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Bryan,
The F9 will work for you, just remember Nuvite recommends a compounding
bonnet for the heavy stuff. I did all mine with a 6 inch Sears polisher
Tim Shankland
Bill Naumuk wrote:
> Bryan-
> Must be what Nuvite is talking about.
> F9 should be in by Wednesday. Will give the list progress report
> shortly thereafter.
> I have 7" HF rotary, 6" HF orbital, and Sears 9" orbital
> polishers. Bonnets don't last long considering I'm working around
> rivets. Still, I'm glad I decided to polish before I had to do it all
> uphand.
> do not archive
> Bill Naumuk
> HDS Fuselage
> Townville, Pa
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bryan Martin <mailto:bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com <mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 2:16 AM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Polishing
>
> Most aircraft aluminum is 2024 alclad, which has a coating of pure
> aluminum. This coating is soft and polishes up relatively easily.
> The 6064 used on the Zenith aircraft is harder and takes more work
> to polish. I can tell you that it does polish up nicely and once
> you get it there, it holds up well. The F9 should do the job
> nicely if you have a decent compounding polisher and bonnets.
>
> Check out http://www.vintagetrailersupply.com/ and click on
> the "Polishing Center" link. They have all grades of Nuvite and
> some good tools for applying it. Check out the velcro backing
> plate and wool polishing pads, they work very well.
>
> Click on this link: http://www.zenithair.com/events.htm and look
> at the top photo at the bottom of the page. That's my polished
> Zodiac on the left in front of the Zenith hangar.
>
> On Nov 12, 2006, at 12:25 PM, Bill Naumuk wrote:
>
>> All-
>> The coarsest grit ACS offers from Nuvite is G6. Several
>> listers have recommended F7 or F9 for the first pass, which as
>> far as I know is only available from the Nuvite website.
>> Something about the difference between "Coated" and "Uncoated"
>> aluminum. All Zenith aluminum is uncoated.
>> I finally got far enough ahead on my winterization to
>> actually work on the project, and have found out that G6 is about
>> worthless for taking out normal "Shop rash" scratches. You can
>> polish your guts out and the metal just looks back and says "I
>> dare you".
>> My horoscope today says that I'm going to throw good money
>> after bad. Just ordered 1lb of F9. Hope I didn't.
>>
>> Bill Naumuk
>> HDS Fuselage
>> Townville, Pa
>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL,
> RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
>
>
>href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com
>href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com
>href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com
>href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com
>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron
>
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| Subject: | Re: Any News on the CH-750? |
I spoke with Mathieu Heintz earlier this year and it appears that it will be "kit
only" at this point if it happens. Things may change, but there's not much
of a business case to create plans at this point. The development costs are just
easier to recoup with the profit margin of a kit. You can't really blame them.
Besides, there are too many pirates as it is and handing them a new SP design for
a few hundred $$ is not too attractive.
Chris in Seattle
--------
701 Scratch Builder
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| Subject: | Door glass, Rivet? |
Hello all, Anyone have any suggestions on fastening the side windows on my 801
doors and fuse.? Is just a sealer and rivets OK ?
Thanks
Dan Stanton
90% done 90% to go
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| Subject: | Re: Any News on the CH-750? |
Hopefully we will see the 750 come to life at some point in time, but it
all depends on how it fly's. I don't imagine we will see it anytime
soon. But Chris is right, with all the copies of the 701 (now counting
8) we may never see another plans available plane again. It is truly a
shame but a fact of reality, there have been people on this list even
say it is good and flattering to see so called improvements of Heintz's
designs being sold as competition. (this reply is not for the anger, and
contempt I hold for such reprehensible practices, keep in mind that none
of Heintz's 701 can exchange parts with any previous designs, but almost
all designs after will interchange with the CH701, developing idea's is
one thing, stealing from a mans plans is completely different). I only
hope that we will see a kit version of the CH750 and not just a ready to
fly LSA, which is a very real possibility, plans, not likely in the
first ten years! It's a shame but a reality brought on by the lowest
type of people on this earth. You should all be upset at the copy cats
as they are just screwing you the builder from another great affordable
Heintz Design.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Lewis
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:13 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Any News on the CH-750?
<christopherlewis@earthlink.net>
I spoke with Mathieu Heintz earlier this year and it appears that it
will be "kit only" at this point if it happens. Things may change, but
there's not much of a business case to create plans at this point. The
development costs are just easier to recoup with the profit margin of a
kit. You can't really blame them.
Besides, there are too many pirates as it is and handing them a new SP
design for a few hundred $$ is not too attractive.
Chris in Seattle
--------
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| Subject: | LANDING LIGHT WIRE |
I need to know what wire size to use for landing lights. I realize it
depends on voltage and watts and electrical stuff like that. Would 16AWG
be enough or does it need to be heavier?
Thanks,
Dave in Salem - where it is still raining
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| Subject: | STATIC PORT LOCATION???? |
This is my take and my take only but, To create a new pitot location, pick a spot,
behind the leading adge skin and away from the prop wash.
Cut a square under the wing behind the main space roughly 4 by 4. make sure you
are as far away from you closest inboard sprib so you can put P/S tube inboard
of cut out, and feed a wire without bending it. take a wire once whole is
open and run it through a string of lightening hole to the wing root. Take you
time, you may want to use a flexble thin hose as guide for the wire, push it
through from in board wing to the hole location. . Once you have wire all way
through. run you hoses for the P/S tubes. to the inboard side of the 4x4
hole, attach your P/S piping and attached the hoses. make a 4.5x4.5 square,
make the edges nice, and rivet to skin with A-4 rivets every 40mm or so, start
at corners and make even numbered rivetes all around. SHould be a fun project.
Juan 601xl 3300
-----Original Message-----
>From: dredmoody@cox.net
>Sent: Nov 13, 2006 9:31 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: STATIC PORT LOCATION????
>
>
>The 601XL kit includes a dual probe unit in which one probe is the pitot tube
and the other is the static port. Any chance you could retro-install such a unit
on the underside of the wing about 6 - 10" aft of the spar and be able to fish
the tubing to/from it in your airplane? You may be able to remove the wing
and use a fish tape to reach the pitot location particulalry if you mount the
dual probe unit on an inspection plate like Paul Mulwitz has suggested.
>
>Ed Moody II
>Rayne, LA
>601XL/Jabiru/cabin area
>
>---- Brian Rides <therideses@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> I have just purchased a 601HDS. This aeroplane was constructed without a
>> static port. The ASI overreads madly at low speeds and undereads at high
>> speeds. An accurate static port location on the fuselage would be much
>> appreciated.
>
>
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| Subject: | Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? |
I have searched the archives and could not find an answer to my question so
I thought that I would ask the folks that know.
I am building my workbench and would like to put it on wheels so that I can
easily move it out of the way when not in use. But I am not sure how easy
it will be to keep it true.
I am also hoping to get away with only building a 10 foot bench, that space
problem again.
Has anyone had any luck with either one?
By the way how was the WW College?
Thanks,
Matt in Katy
XL Tail and Corvair
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| Subject: | LANDING LIGHT WIRE |
Dave,
16 is the recommended gauge for 100W lights.
don
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ruddiman
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:58 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: LANDING LIGHT WIRE
I need to know what wire size to use for landing lights. I realize it
depends on voltage and watts and electrical stuff like that. Would 16AWG be
enough or does it need to be heavier?
Thanks,
Dave in Salem - where it is still raining
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| Subject: | Re: LANDING LIGHT WIRE |
Dave,
I'm not sure what you're building. I'm building a 601 XL and there is drawing
6-S-2 "Power Distribution Bus" that has a wiring schematic. It calls for 14AWG
for the landing as well as the taxi lights.
Dan Corvair/601 XL
--------
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Zed,
Also, don't forget about US ARMY and NAVY insignia. I know from personal
experience that, even if you get a complaint, it has traveled in a very
peculiar route that allows you to at least laugh at the ignorance of the
complainant.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
Re: Off Airport
Several approaches to this......
Paint large block letters on the side & wings: S H E R I F F
Or, F B I, or, D E A, etc; nobody will ask,
Use camo paint (nobody will see it),
Or paint it yellow, stencil HIGHWAY DEPT on the side ( sleep under the
wing...that'll look normal ), ((Have somebody lean on a shovel to add
realism)),
Put spray booms on the plane, look "agricultural", wear bib overalls.
Put up a wind sock. You are automatically at an airport....."Look, Mommy,
an airport!"
do not archive, and do not hit fresh un-frozen piles either. been there,
done that. mud flaps?
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| Subject: | Loss of Jim Pellien in crash of 601VA |
Jim was a frequent poster in this forum. He was also the proprietor of Mid Atlantic
Sport Planes, a small sport pilot school in Virginia, one of the first of
its kind in the country. His school was featured in Mechanics Illustrated and
this months Sport Pilot magazine. There is a nice picture of 601VA on page 32.
It was a CZAW built plane of excellent quality (I own one too).
Its too early to find anything at the NTSB site yet, but there is a local news story here: http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/4625436.html
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Zodiac 601 XL - CZAW Built - Rotax 912S
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Loss of Jim Pellien in crash of 601VA |
Tail rolled up like a tube of toothpaste, although both wings stayed on.
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| Subject: | Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? |
Matt,
My bench is 3' X10'. The top is made out of 4" channel iron. It has 6 legs.
I put 2 levels of angle iron below the top. Welded nuts on the bottom of the
legs for adjustment. So, I actually have a 4 X 10 top plus the lower shelves
for storage and tools and stuff. It's probably overkill, but it doesn't move
and it is perfectly level all around. It also weighs about a ton, but it
doesn't budge. I suppose you could put casters on and level it whenever you
move it. Hope the pictures aren't to big.
Dave in Salem
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Stecher" <mrcc1234@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:52 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ??
>
> I have searched the archives and could not find an answer to my question
> so
> I thought that I would ask the folks that know.
>
> I am building my workbench and would like to put it on wheels so that I
> can
> easily move it out of the way when not in use. But I am not sure how easy
> it will be to keep it true.
>
> I am also hoping to get away with only building a 10 foot bench, that
> space
> problem again.
>
> Has anyone had any luck with either one?
>
> By the way how was the WW College?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt in Katy
> XL Tail and Corvair
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: LANDING LIGHT WIRE |
I'm building an 801. I have 16 gauge for my strobe/nav lights. The strobes
are mounted in the tips. I haven't installed any landing lights yet, but
thought I'd ask ahead of time.
----- Original Message -----
From: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:58 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: LANDING LIGHT WIRE
>
> Dave,
> I'm not sure what you're building. I'm building a 601 XL and there is
> drawing 6-S-2 "Power Distribution Bus" that has a wiring schematic. It
> calls for 14AWG for the landing as well as the taxi lights.
> Dan Corvair/601 XL
>
> --------
> Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74417#74417
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: off topic/landing off airport |
Before I retired and relocated out of SoCal, I called the Tennessee Dept
of Aeronautics and asked what I would have to do in order to cut a
runway so I could fly from my own property, assuming I retired to state
of Tennessee. I expected a bureaucratic long answer relative to rules,
regulations, permits, etc but the answer was "most people in Tennessee
just use a bull-dozer".
Still have not completed my runway - almost there but the first try
after it was graded and seeded, had a 41/2 inch rain fall the next day,
and it was too late to replant. This year, after a really wet Spring
and after fixing up the ruts and reseeding and grading as required, same
thing happened. Hope to have it done by late Spring next year. (Also
want to cut down an additional dozen 75 ft trees)
Tony Graziano
on-the-farm in Buchanan, Tennessee
601XL; N493TG; 171 hrs
---------------
From: Noel Loveys (noelloveys@yahoo.ca)
Date: Mon Nov 13 - 11:14 AM
I guess you may also want to check for local by laws. E.g. Laws that
restrict sound ordinances or nuisance laws.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Samm Munn
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 2:42 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: off topic/landing off airport
>
>
>
> The answer to both questions is, "NO!" As long as you comply
> with FAR
> 91.119 and FAR 91.13(a), the FAA will not prevent you from
> operating from
> off-airport locations. If you plan continuous operation from
> the same
> location, you may want to involve the FAA to declare your
> operational area
> as a private airport.
>
> FAR 91.119 - Minimum Safe Altitudes: General
> Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may
> operate an
> aircraft below the following altitudes:
> (a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an
> emergency
> landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.
>
> FAR 91.13 - Careless or reckless operation
> (a) Aircraft operations for the purpose of air navigation. No
> person may
> operate an aircraft in a careless or reckless manner so as to
> endanger the
> life or property of another.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "john butterfield" <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
> To: "Zenith-List Digest Server" <zenith-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:45 AM
> Subject: off topic/landing off airport
>
>
> > <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
> >
> > hi list
> >
> > i am nearing the completion of my 601 and have
> > wondered overthe past 18 months about landing my
> > airplane on private property. I know the rule about
> > vfr flight and avoidance of structures, but many of
> > the people on this list fly off there own propety. is
> > there any faa rule that prevents landing on your own
> > property or say dirt roads off in the sticks.
> >
> > regards
> > john butterfield
> > 601xl/corvair
> > torrance, ca
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I'm waiting on an Advanced Flight Systems AF-3500. It's an EFIS/EIS
combo built around a Crosssbow AHRS just like the wealthy and the
airlines use. I am only backing it up with a whiskey compass, my
Lowrance Airmap 2000C, a tach, and an ASI steam gauge. I've bought a
Becker transceiver and a Becker transponder, and a PS 501 intercom. My
dad and I worked on the rear frame and baggage area tonight. Hell, I
feel like I'll be doing good just to get it inspected before Christ
comes back to round us up.... maybe I can give Him a ride.... I owe Him
that much at least.
When you flying over here for crawfish and boudin?
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Off Airport
Ed, I always enjoy your humor and I'm sure the IRS surveillance agents
scanning this thread for 'narr do wells' and evil tax evaders know your
just kidding. You are, Right ? If not, you guys contact me off line and
I'll lead you to right to him. Ha. Ed, something brilliant I just
arrived at something with my dull attorney brain; '"buy the very best
instruments you can afford." I had to replace the electric turn
coordinator this weekend to the tune of $565.00. I had bought a non
TSO'ed and it cost $289.00 and with less than 100 hours kaput,, total
loss ! Looking back over the last 15 months I replaced two altimeters,
two vac gages, CHT gages, DG and now a turn coordinator and I have a VFR
only instrument panel. Save on paint, save on interior,, but buy the
best you can for instruments because the "cheap" ones will break soon
and often. New rule: anything that has electricity passing through it,,
buy best !! By the way, when you coming over this way and learn how to
fly an XL anyway ? Best regards, Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Loss of Jim Pellien in crash of 601VA |
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