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1. 03:50 AM - Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (Robert Taylor)
2. 06:13 AM - Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (ernie)
3. 06:19 AM - Re: LANDING LIGHT WIRE (Noel Loveys)
4. 06:19 AM - Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (N5SL)
5. 06:24 AM - Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (Dave Ruddiman)
6. 06:24 AM - 701 Drivers (Rick R)
7. 06:29 AM - Re: Re: Off Airport (Robert Schoenberger)
8. 06:30 AM - Re: LANDING LIGHT WIRE (Dave Ruddiman)
9. 06:37 AM - Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (Robert Schoenberger)
10. 06:38 AM - Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (Dave Ruddiman)
11. 06:52 AM - TEST (robert stone)
12. 07:00 AM - Re: TEST (Trainnut01@aol.com)
13. 07:12 AM - Re: TEST (Jaybannist@cs.com)
14. 07:14 AM - Re: Loss of Jim Pellien in crash of 601VA (TxDave)
15. 07:27 AM - Re: Re: Off Airport (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
16. 07:30 AM - Re: Re: Off Airport (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
17. 07:35 AM - 701 drivers (Rick R)
18. 07:35 AM - off airport (john butterfield)
19. 07:38 AM - Re: TEST (Al Etherington)
20. 07:54 AM - Re: TEST (Rick R)
21. 08:09 AM - Re: LANDING LIGHT WIRE (Bryan Martin)
22. 08:13 AM - Re: off airport (Robert Schoenberger)
23. 08:13 AM - Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (NYTerminat@aol.com)
24. 08:17 AM - Re: Re: Loss of Jim Pellien in crash of 601VA (Juan Vega)
25. 08:23 AM - Re: Loss of Jim Pellien in crash of 601VA (TxDave)
26. 08:33 AM - Re: TEST ()
27. 08:37 AM - Re: off airport (NYTerminat@aol.com)
28. 08:47 AM - Re: TEST (rick tedford)
29. 08:48 AM - Re: TEST (Wade Jones)
30. 08:52 AM - Re: TEST (robert stone)
31. 08:53 AM - Re: TEST (robert stone)
32. 08:55 AM - Re: TEST (robert stone)
33. 09:10 AM - Re: off airport ()
34. 09:28 AM - Re: TEST (robert stone)
35. 09:31 AM - Re: TEST (robert stone)
36. 10:58 AM - Re: TEST (rick tedford)
37. 11:33 AM - Re: TEST (JOHN STARN)
38. 12:07 PM - Re: off airport (Keith Ashcraft)
39. 12:08 PM - Re: TEST (Keith Ashcraft)
40. 12:10 PM - Re: LANDING LIGHT WIRE (Noel Loveys)
41. 12:19 PM - Re: TEST - are we finished testing yet? (Mike)
42. 12:53 PM - Re: Door glass, Rivet? (Tom Faulkner)
43. 01:14 PM - Re: off airport (n801bh@netzero.com)
44. 01:15 PM - Re: LANDING LIGHT WIRE (Dave Ruddiman)
45. 03:15 PM - Re: Loss of Jim Pellien in N601VA (deglass1@aol.com)
46. 03:30 PM - 701 amphibous floats (PipercubDream@aol.com)
47. 04:06 PM - Fw: TEST (JOHN STARN)
48. 05:14 PM - Re: Fw: TEST ()
49. 05:14 PM - Re: 701 amphibous floats (lane_jones)
50. 05:26 PM - Re: Fw: TEST (NYTerminat@aol.com)
51. 06:16 PM - Annual "Cuss Pot" Fund Drive Opens (Zed Smith)
52. 06:21 PM - Re: (JOHN STARN)
53. 06:42 PM - Re: 701 amphibous floats (PipercubDream@aol.com)
54. 07:13 PM - Re: [spam] Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (Les Goldner)
55. 07:33 PM - Re: 701 amphibous floats (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
56. 08:19 PM - Re: Door glass, Rivet? (Noel Loveys)
57. 08:25 PM - Re: 701 amphibous floats (Noel Loveys)
58. 08:28 PM - Sun-N-Fun BBQ (Zodie Rocket)
59. 08:38 PM - Re: TEST (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
60. 11:25 PM - Re: off airport (Gary Gower)
61. 11:32 PM - Re: off airport (Gary Gower)
62. 11:46 PM - Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (Bob Tezyk)
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| Subject: | Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? |
My bench is very similar to Dave bench. I made mine of 4x2 box section and
mounted 4 trailer jockey wheels at each corner. To move it you wind them up
and then re-level with the adjustable feet.
Rob,Melb,Aust.
>From: "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ??
>Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:24:40 -0800
>
>Matt,
>
>My bench is 3' X10'. The top is made out of 4" channel iron. It has 6 legs.
>I put 2 levels of angle iron below the top. Welded nuts on the bottom of
>the legs for adjustment. So, I actually have a 4 X 10 top plus the lower
>shelves for storage and tools and stuff. It's probably overkill, but it
>doesn't move and it is perfectly level all around. It also weighs about a
>ton, but it doesn't budge. I suppose you could put casters on and level it
>whenever you move it. Hope the pictures aren't to big.
>
>Dave in Salem
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Stecher" <mrcc1234@sbcglobal.net>
>To: "Zenith-List@Matronics.Com" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:52 PM
>Subject: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ??
>
>
>>
>>I have searched the archives and could not find an answer to my question
>>so
>>I thought that I would ask the folks that know.
>>
>>I am building my workbench and would like to put it on wheels so that I
>>can
>>easily move it out of the way when not in use. But I am not sure how easy
>>it will be to keep it true.
>>
>>I am also hoping to get away with only building a 10 foot bench, that
>>space
>>problem again.
>>
>>Has anyone had any luck with either one?
>>
>>By the way how was the WW College?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Matt in Katy
>>XL Tail and Corvair
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? |
Hi,
Built mine using the the engineered beams found on the 801 site, (sorry
don't have the name to give credit). Search this group for work bench should
be able to find it. Used the best wheels from home depot about 12 bucks, two
of the four wheels have brakes. It rolls well, I was worried the wheels
would not be good enough their ratings was 275 pounds.
Pictures.
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dhdvd8qv_8gzwkqk
W
I saw one person on this thread painting the workbench, Any opinions? Good
idea? What paint would be best. I used MDF for a top.
Good luck.
Do not archive.
On 11/13/06, Matt Stecher <mrcc1234@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
> I have searched the archives and could not find an answer to my question
> so
> I thought that I would ask the folks that know.
>
> I am building my workbench and would like to put it on wheels so that I
> can
> easily move it out of the way when not in use. But I am not sure how easy
> it will be to keep it true.
>
> I am also hoping to get away with only building a 10 foot bench, that
> space
> problem again.
>
> Has anyone had any luck with either one?
>
> By the way how was the WW College?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt in Katy
> XL Tail and Corvair
>
>
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| Subject: | LANDING LIGHT WIRE |
Right on!
Let us know:
What the current requirement is for your light(s) If there is more than
one
light how many
How long the run will be from your landing light switch
Will that wire be part of a larger bundle ( doubtful )
Landing lights can draw a lot of current. They are typically on for
over
five minutes at a stretch. If they are too small they can easily
overheat
especially if you get a long final.
For systems where the battery is on the firewall and the lights are
mounted
in the cowl a relay between the battery and the light could be an
option.
In systems where the battery is behind the seats the lights could be
powered
directly from the main buss.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Ruddiman
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:28 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: LANDING LIGHT WIRE
I need to know what wire size to use for landing lights. I realize it
depends on voltage and watts and electrical stuff like that. Would 16AWG
be
enough or does it need to be heavier?
Thanks,
Dave in Salem - where it is still raining
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| Subject: | Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? |
Hello Matt in Katy:
I like to put everything to the test so I asked all the people I could find to
get on my new table and jump up and down. It held up well:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/5_25_03_WorkTableTest.jpg
I don't recommend using Pneumatic tires. They don't roll well when the air gets
low. On the other hand you can let air out and add air to level the table.
Make sure all of the wheels swivel so you can steer the table in all directions
to avoid airplane parts and automobiles.
If you are still working on the tail, don't make it 10' right now. I used an old
dining table to make the tail. When I finally got around to making a table,
it went from 8':
(http://www.cooknwithgas.com/5_25_03_WorkTable.jpg)
to 12':
(http://www.cooknwithgas.com/2_21_04_Wing.JPG)
then to it's current configuration of 6':
(http://www.cooknwithgas.com/11_2006_Table.JPG) during the span of the project. MDF is easily reconfigured and you can always use the removed pieces for forming blocks.
Soon it will be reduced even further. I've found that any and all horizontal surfaces
in my garage become junk collectors.
Have fun,
Scott in Omaha
601XL/Corvair
Finishing up BRS installation
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/BRS.html
----- Original Message ----
From: Matt Stecher <mrcc1234@sbcglobal.net>
I have searched the archives and could not find an answer to my question so
I thought that I would ask the folks that know.
I am building my workbench and would like to put it on wheels so that I can
easily move it out of the way when not in use. But I am not sure how easy
it will be to keep it true.
I am also hoping to get away with only building a 10 foot bench, that space
problem again.
Has anyone had any luck with either one?
By the way how was the WW College?
Thanks,
Matt in Katy
XL Tail and Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? |
I used MDF for my top also. Just painted with a couple coats of semi
gloss latex I found in one of my trucks. I don't think it matters what
you use. You don't even have to paint. It makes it easier to lay out
lines if you want and also to find little things you might have dropped
on it.
----- Original Message -----
From: ernie
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ??
Hi,
Built mine using the the engineered beams found on the 801 site,
(sorry don't have the name to give credit). Search this group for work
bench should be able to find it. Used the best wheels from home depot
about 12 bucks, two of the four wheels have brakes. It rolls well, I was
worried the wheels would not be good enough their ratings was 275
pounds.
Pictures.
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dhdvd8qv_8gzwkqk
W
I saw one person on this thread painting the workbench, Any opinions?
Good idea? What paint would be best. I used MDF for a top.
Good luck.
Do not archive.
On 11/13/06, Matt Stecher <mrcc1234@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
mrcc1234@sbcglobal.net>
I have searched the archives and could not find an answer to my
question so
I thought that I would ask the folks that know.
I am building my workbench and would like to put it on wheels so
that I can
easily move it out of the way when not in use. But I am not sure
how easy
it will be to keep it true.
I am also hoping to get away with only building a 10 foot bench,
that space
problem again.
Has anyone had any luck with either one?
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Bill . . . would you mind giving us the type of instrument, model, and
manufacturer of the ones that failed so we don't make the same mistake?
Thx. Robert Schoenberger 701
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote:
> Ed, I always enjoy your humor and I'm sure the IRS surveillance agents
> scanning this thread for 'narr do wells' and evil tax evaders know
> your just kidding. You are, Right ? If not, you guys contact me off
> line and I'll lead you to right to him. Ha. Ed, something brilliant I
> just arrived at something with my dull attorney brain; '"buy the very
> best instruments you can afford." I had to replace the electric turn
> coordinator this weekend to the tune of $565.00. I had bought a non
> TSO'ed and it cost $289.00 and with less than 100 hours kaput,, total
> loss ! Looking back over the last 15 months I replaced two altimeters,
> two vac gages, CHT gages, DG and now a turn coordinator and I have a
> VFR only instrument panel. Save on paint, save on interior,, but buy
> the best you can for instruments because the "cheap" ones will break
> soon and often. New rule: anything that has electricity passing
> through it,, buy best !! By the way, when you coming over this way and
> learn how to fly an XL anyway ? Best regards, Bill
> do not archive
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: LANDING LIGHT WIRE |
MessageNow, there you go asking me all those technical questions. I
don't know where the battery goes yet. Haven't got that far. I might put
the lights on the struts up by the wing and run the wires either through
the wing or inside the strut fairing. Maybe have one on each side. I
just wanted to know what size wire would be to small so that I can fish
them easier when I decide where to put the lights.
Dave in Salem
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:18 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: LANDING LIGHT WIRE
Right on!
Let us know:
What the current requirement is for your light(s) If there is more
than one light how many
How long the run will be from your landing light switch
Will that wire be part of a larger bundle ( doubtful )
Landing lights can draw a lot of current. They are typically on for
over five minutes at a stretch. If they are too small they can easily
overheat especially if you get a long final.
For systems where the battery is on the firewall and the lights are
mounted in the cowl a relay between the battery and the light could be
an option.
In systems where the battery is behind the seats the lights could be
powered directly from the main buss.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Ruddiman
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:28 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: LANDING LIGHT WIRE
I need to know what wire size to use for landing lights. I realize
it depends on voltage and watts and electrical stuff like that. Would
16AWG be enough or does it need to be heavier?
Thanks,
Dave in Salem - where it is still raining
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| Subject: | Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? |
Matt . . . you might want to consider putting a cross brace (2" x 4")
connecting the end legs and about 3" off the floor. Then get two
mover's dollies from Harbor Freight for about $16 each. Put each cross
brace on a movers dolly. Robert Schoenberger 701
Matt Stecher wrote:
>
> I have searched the archives and could not find an answer to my question so
> I thought that I would ask the folks that know.
>
> I am building my workbench and would like to put it on wheels so that I can
> easily move it out of the way when not in use. But I am not sure how easy
> it will be to keep it true.
>
> I am also hoping to get away with only building a 10 foot bench, that space
> problem again.
>
> Has anyone had any luck with either one?
>
> By the way how was the WW College?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt in Katy
> XL Tail and Corvair
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? |
Actually, my table top is 4X12. 14 ft long would be nice, but I don't have
the room. I like your idea about the trailer jacks. I might have to do that
if I need to move it. It takes 4 people to do that with the top on and all
the steel in it. That way it could be moved without unloading all the stuff
on it first.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Taylor" <rwtaylorjar@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:48 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ??
> <rwtaylorjar@hotmail.com>
>
> My bench is very similar to Dave bench. I made mine of 4x2 box section and
> mounted 4 trailer jockey wheels at each corner. To move it you wind them
> up and then re-level with the adjustable feet.
>
> Rob,Melb,Aust.
>
>
>>From: "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
>>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ??
>>Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:24:40 -0800
>>
>>Matt,
>>
>>My bench is 3' X10'. The top is made out of 4" channel iron. It has 6
>>legs. I put 2 levels of angle iron below the top. Welded nuts on the
>>bottom of the legs for adjustment. So, I actually have a 4 X 10 top plus
>>the lower shelves for storage and tools and stuff. It's probably overkill,
>>but it doesn't move and it is perfectly level all around. It also weighs
>>about a ton, but it doesn't budge. I suppose you could put casters on and
>>level it whenever you move it. Hope the pictures aren't to big.
>>
>>Dave in Salem
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Stecher" <mrcc1234@sbcglobal.net>
>>To: "Zenith-List@Matronics.Com" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:52 PM
>>Subject: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ??
>>
>>
>>><mrcc1234@sbcglobal.net>
>>>
>>>I have searched the archives and could not find an answer to my question
>>>so
>>>I thought that I would ask the folks that know.
>>>
>>>I am building my workbench and would like to put it on wheels so that I
>>>can
>>>easily move it out of the way when not in use. But I am not sure how
>>>easy
>>>it will be to keep it true.
>>>
>>>I am also hoping to get away with only building a 10 foot bench, that
>>>space
>>>problem again.
>>>
>>>Has anyone had any luck with either one?
>>>
>>>By the way how was the WW College?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Matt in Katy
>>>XL Tail and Corvair
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
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>
>
>><< newworktable.jpg >>
>
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List Members,
I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am
doubting weather my posts ever got out and were read by anyone. Please
respond to this test message by a simple
RECEIVED BY ME
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx.
ZodiacXL
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RECIEVED BY ME
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Bob - "RECEIVED BY ME"
Jay in Dallas
"robert stone" <rstone4@hot.rr.com> wrote:
>List Members,
> I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am doubting weather
my posts ever got out and were read by anyone. Please respond to this test
message by a simple
> RECEIVED BY ME
>
>Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx.
>ZodiacXL
>
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| Subject: | Re: Loss of Jim Pellien in crash of 601VA |
This is a true tragedy for Jim's family and friends, and also for the Zenith community.
He was a really enthusiastic promoter of the 601XL and of SLSA aircraft
in general. This beautiful 601XL was the first one certified as a SLSA. Jim
had put it up for sale in September. He was a great guy and will be missed by
many.
Hopefully, we will learn the cause of the crash in a timely manner. Please note
the links below.
http://www.maspl.com/
http://www.controller.com/listings/forsale/detail.asp?OHID=1097724
Dave Clay
Temple, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74502#74502
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Ed, my folks taught me not to eat water roaches and fish bait, but I can
drink pretty much anything, Sounds like you got a good plan. Bill
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Robert, I will, but all that is at the airport so it'll be a few days, Bill
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Try again:
Guys,
I'm working with the ladies at Kennon Aircraft Covers, Sheridan, WY., http://kennoncovers.com/
They are willing to develop and build fuse, tail, and wing covers for folks like
me that are hangar-less.
We are at "please mark this template" stage and as my 701 still looks like an
erector set, for you folks over 45 years young, I need a volunteer with an assembled
701 to mark up the template and get it back to Kennon.
Any takers? Contact me off line and I'll get the template to you.
Many thanks,
Rick
do not archive
Rick
Sharpsburg, GA. USA
http://www.n701rr.com
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hi list
thanks for the info on off airport landings. my
actual intent was to build a 1,000 foot runway on some
property i will buy in the sticks. guess i should
check with the neighbors (if any) before i start.
always been my dream to have a place "in the country"
that i could visit and taxi up to my own hanger and
walk to my abode.
thanks again
john butterfield
601XL corvair
torrance, ca
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robert stone wrote:
> List Members,
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> Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx.
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Same here Bob...servers must be hanging up...
robert stone <rstone4@hot.rr.com> wrote: List Members,
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| Subject: | Re: LANDING LIGHT WIRE |
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John . . . I am a land developer and own a 701 in progress. The first
place to start is to go to the Town(ship) where you're interested in
locating and ask the code enforcement officer in the building dept (or
the head of the building dept.) if private air strips are permitted.
Avoid the word "airport" - it sounds massive and noisy. I generally
buy a copy of the code and verify his answer osk for copies of the pages
which apply. Some towns if you go out far enough from metro areas don't
even have building codes, and then you should be golden, but
verification is still necessary.
When selecting a piece of land if possible have it so the runway and the
next 1000 ft. beyond (even if on the neighbor's land) isn't aligned with
anyone's home, tall trees, high hills - anything that can kill you if
you have an engine out on take off. If you can avoid flying over the
neighbors on takeoff and landing, that is a big plus. Low flying planes
over one's home make people nervous, especially if they aren't from the
aviation community. If you want to discuss anything else, you can write
me privately at hrs1@frontiernet.net. Good luck. Robert Schoenberger 701
john butterfield wrote:
>
> hi list
> thanks for the info on off airport landings. my
> actual intent was to build a 1,000 foot runway on some
> property i will buy in the sticks. guess i should
> check with the neighbors (if any) before i start.
> always been my dream to have a place "in the country"
> that i could visit and taxi up to my own hanger and
> walk to my abode.
>
> thanks again
> john butterfield
> 601XL corvair
> torrance, ca
> do not archive
>
>
>
> Want to start your own business?
> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? |
I would suggest that you make a bottom shelf for the table, it comes in
quite handy and gives you extra storage space.
In a message dated 11/14/2006 9:14:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
ernieth@gmail.com writes:
Hi,
Built mine using the the engineered beams found on the 801 site, (sorry
don't have the name to give credit). Search this group for work bench should be
able to find it. Used the best wheels from home depot about 12 bucks, two of
the four wheels have brakes. It rolls well, I was worried the wheels would not
be good enough their ratings was 275 pounds.
Pictures.
_http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dhdvd8qv_8gzwkqk_
(http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dhdvd8qv_8gzwkqk)
W
I saw one person on this thread painting the workbench, Any opinions? Good
idea? What paint would be best. I used MDF for a top.
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| Subject: | Re: Loss of Jim Pellien in crash of 601VA |
Dave,
I just got on the forum, what happened to Jim? did the 601xl he was selling crash
with him in it? is this the third crash of the month or is it the same one
as last week?
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: TxDave <dclaytx2@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Sent: Nov 14, 2006 10:13 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Loss of Jim Pellien in crash of 601VA
>
>
>This is a true tragedy for Jim's family and friends, and also for the Zenith community.
He was a really enthusiastic promoter of the 601XL and of SLSA aircraft
in general. This beautiful 601XL was the first one certified as a SLSA. Jim
had put it up for sale in September. He was a great guy and will be missed by
many.
>
>Hopefully, we will learn the cause of the crash in a timely manner. Please note
the links below.
>
>http://www.maspl.com/
>
>http://www.controller.com/listings/forsale/detail.asp?OHID=1097724
>
>Dave Clay
>Temple, TX
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74502#74502
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| Subject: | Re: Loss of Jim Pellien in crash of 601VA |
This just happened this past Saturday. See the link to the news report in the first
message in this thread.
Dave
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74527#74527
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Received by me
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---- robert stone <rstone4@hot.rr.com> wrote:
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> Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx.
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That is what I did on my property in NY. There was another private one a few
miles away, so I didn't ask and just put it in. One suggestion is if have
the property make the runway as long as possible especially if you have
obstructions. You also might want to change airplanes or have some friends come
over, just gives you more options.
Bob Spudis
N701ZX CH701/912S
In a message dated 11/14/2006 10:36:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jdbutterfield@yahoo.com writes:
hi list
thanks for the info on off airport landings. my
actual intent was to build a 1,000 foot runway on some
property i will buy in the sticks. guess i should
check with the neighbors (if any) before i start.
always been my dream to have a place "in the country"
that i could visit and taxi up to my own hanger and
walk to my abode.
thanks again
john butterfield
601XL corvair
torrance, ca
do not archive
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received by me
cheers
Rick in northern ontario
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST
> <aletherington@rogers.com>
>
> robert stone wrote:
>> List Members,
>> I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am
>> doubting weather my posts ever got out and were read by anyone. Please
>> respond to this test message by a simple
>> RECEIVED BY ME
>> Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx.
>> ZodiacXL
>> *
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> Received by me.
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Hi Bob ,received by me .I need to get in contact with you .There is a
young fellow that just got back from Iraq last Tues. and he lives in
your town . He spent two tours flying in Iraq and comes from an EAA
family . Wade Jones
----- Original Message -----
From: robert stone
To: Zenith List
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:51 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: TEST
List Members,
I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am
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respond to this test message by a simple
RECEIVED BY ME
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx.
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Rick,
Your reply did come in to me.
Bob
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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST
Same here Bob...servers must be hanging up...
robert stone <rstone4@hot.rr.com> wrote:
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Al,
Thanks for the response.
Bob
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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST
> <aletherington@rogers.com>
>
> robert stone wrote:
>> List Members,
>> I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am
>> doubting weather my posts ever got out and were read by anyone. Please
>> respond to this test message by a simple
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>> Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx.
>> ZodiacXL
>> *
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Jay,
Thanks for the response.
Bob
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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:12 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: TEST
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> Bob - "RECEIVED BY ME"
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> Jay in Dallas
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>>List Members,
>> I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am doubting
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>> this test message by a simple
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>>Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx.
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Consider the density altitude at which you will be operating from such a short
strip before proceeding. It doesn't sound like you are leaving much room for trouble.
Ed Moody II
---- john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> hi list
> thanks for the info on off airport landings. my
> actual intent was to build a 1,000 foot runway on some
> property i will buy in the sticks. guess i should
> check with the neighbors (if any) before i start.
> always been my dream to have a place "in the country"
> that i could visit and taxi up to my own hanger and
> walk to my abode.
>
> thanks again
> john butterfield
> 601XL corvair
> torrance, ca
> do not archive
>
>
>
> Want to start your own business?
> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index
>
>
>
>
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Rick,
Thanks for the response.
Bob
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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST
> <rick.tedford@sympatico.ca>
>
> received by me
> cheers
> Rick in northern ontario
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Al Etherington" <aletherington@rogers.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST
>
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>> <aletherington@rogers.com>
>>
>> robert stone wrote:
>>> List Members,
>>> I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am
>>> doubting weather my posts ever got out and were read by anyone. Please
>>> respond to this test message by a simple
>>> RECEIVED BY ME
>>> Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx.
>>> ZodiacXL
>>> *
>>> *
>> Received by me.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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Trainnut,
Thanks for the response.
Bob
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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST
RECIEVED BY ME
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Bob : I did receive your message OK ,soory if it got confused with
another .
Rick
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To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST
Rick,
Your reply did come in to me.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST
Same here Bob...servers must be hanging up...
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Test ?, what test ?, How can I respond to a test that does not include
at least one Do Not Archive. This test was "received by me" via the list
& trimmed by me too. KABONG 8*)
List Members,
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Hi John,
One thing to do, as Robert has mentioned, is to check with the County. I
live outside any city limits, so I follow the County rules. I was able
to download them from the Colorado Counties web sites, and looked at
their "land proposals/usage" section. Also, I have contacted the (2)
neighbors close to me, 1/4 mile and farther, and have mentioned to them
that I will perfrom my flights, No Earlier Than, 6:00am and No Later
Than, 9:00pm. If I anticipate anytime outside of these hours, I will
call them and give them a "heads up" and forwarn them in advance.
Also, offering "free rides" should also be a plus to get the neighbors
favor!!
Good luck,
Keith
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
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Robert Schoenberger wrote:
> <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
>
> John . . . I am a land developer and own a 701 in progress. The first
> place to start is to go to the Town(ship) where you're interested in
> locating and ask the code enforcement officer in the building dept (or
> the head of the building dept.) if private air strips are permitted.
> Avoid the word "airport" - it sounds massive and noisy. I generally
> buy a copy of the code and verify his answer osk for copies of the
> pages which apply. Some towns if you go out far enough from metro
> areas don't even have building codes, and then you should be golden,
> but verification is still necessary.
> When selecting a piece of land if possible have it so the runway and
> the next 1000 ft. beyond (even if on the neighbor's land) isn't
> aligned with anyone's home, tall trees, high hills - anything that can
> kill you if you have an engine out on take off. If you can avoid
> flying over the neighbors on takeoff and landing, that is a big plus.
> Low flying planes over one's home make people nervous, especially if
> they aren't from the aviation community. If you want to discuss
> anything else, you can write me privately at hrs1@frontiernet.net.
> Good luck. Robert Schoenberger 701
>
> john butterfield wrote:
>
>> <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
>>
>> hi list thanks for the info on off airport landings. my
>> actual intent was to build a 1,000 foot runway on some
>> property i will buy in the sticks. guess i should
>> check with the neighbors (if any) before i start. always been my
>> dream to have a place "in the country"
>> that i could visit and taxi up to my own hanger and
>> walk to my abode.
>>
>> thanks again
>> john butterfield
>> 601XL corvair
>> torrance, ca
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>> Want to start your own business?
>> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Hi Bob,
Received by me, but I didn't receive my reen cotchbrite!!
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Keith in Colorado
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| Subject: | LANDING LIGHT WIRE |
Ok ... for a 100W sealed beam bulb ( the norm ) the current required to
light it is under 8 amps.
Now for the fun part
For one lamp with a run of 7' - 10' 16 ga
For two lamps on the same wire 12 ga wire.
For one lamp with a run of 12' - 15' 14 ga
For two lamps on the same wire 10 ga
These calculations were gleaned from AC43 for continuous flow at 20C
using
tin plated MIL-W-27759 conductor
I think you can see why the length of the run is important as is the
current
draw of the lamps themselves.
I think I would install the 10 ga wire for a couple of reasons. 1. It
won't
add that much weight to your plane. and 2. It will carry just about any
load you may want to put on it.
Problems arise when you put too much demand on a wire and the wire gets
all
hot and bothered about the extra work.
Hope this helps.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Ruddiman
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LANDING LIGHT WIRE
Now, there you go asking me all those technical questions. I don't know
where the battery goes yet. Haven't got that far. I might put the lights
on
the struts up by the wing and run the wires either through the wing or
inside the strut fairing. Maybe have one on each side. I just wanted to
know
what size wire would be to small so that I can fish them easier when I
decide where to put the lights.
Dave in Salem
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel <mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> Loveys
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:18 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: LANDING LIGHT WIRE
Right on!
Let us know:
What the current requirement is for your light(s) If there is more than
one
light how many
How long the run will be from your landing light switch
Will that wire be part of a larger bundle ( doubtful )
Landing lights can draw a lot of current. They are typically on for
over
five minutes at a stretch. If they are too small they can easily
overheat
especially if you get a long final.
For systems where the battery is on the firewall and the lights are
mounted
in the cowl a relay between the battery and the light could be an
option.
In systems where the battery is behind the seats the lights could be
powered
directly from the main buss.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Ruddiman
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:28 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: LANDING LIGHT WIRE
I need to know what wire size to use for landing lights. I realize it
depends on voltage and watts and electrical stuff like that. Would 16AWG
be
enough or does it need to be heavier?
Thanks,
Dave in Salem - where it is still raining
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Guys -- maybe you can do this off list?
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| Subject: | Door glass, Rivet? |
Dan: I don't know if you got an answer to your question, but that's what I
did. Be sure to drill oversize holes in the Plexiglas using a Plexiglas
drill or you will get cracking. I also cut tubing and put in the holes to
add cushioning. Still got some cracks.
Tom Faulkner
N801TP
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I built a private airstrip on a ranch I own out here in Wyoming. I live
in Jackson Hole and ol N801BH spends most of its time up here. My ranch
is 38 air miles and 102 driving miles from home. All I needed was to pet
ition the county for a conditional use permit, 25.00$ and three readings
from the planning board and three readings from the commision. On the v
ery last hearing there was five items on the agenda, mine was last. So I
sat there and when the first four were processed there was still six pe
ople left in the audiance,,,,, I thought to myself. oh geez a bunch of "
not on my backyard" people.... Believe it or not all six were in favor o
f it cause they were all pilots and I had requested the FAA to chart it
for someone to use in case of an emergency.. Denver FAA wanted to know
what I was going to call it so of course I replied " Haas International"
... It is in most databases using the identifier 2WY3. The good news
is it is 3000' long,,, the bad news is it is located at 7960 MSL. Whic
h really isn't bad for my fire breathing 801. <G>
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com> wrote:
.com>
hi list
thanks for the info on off airport landings. my
actual intent was to build a 1,000 foot runway on some
property i will buy in the sticks. guess i should
check with the neighbors (if any) before i start.
always been my dream to have a place "in the country"
that i could visit and taxi up to my own hanger and
walk to my abode.
thanks again
john butterfield
601XL corvair
torrance, ca
do not archive
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<html><P>I built a private airstrip on a ranch I own out here in Wyoming
. I live in Jackson Hole and ol N801BH spends most of its time up here.
My ranch is 38 air miles and 102 driving miles from home. All I needed w
as to petition the county for a conditional use permit, 25.00$ and three
readings from the planning board and three readings from the commision.
On the very last hearing there was five items on the agenda, mine was l
ast. So I sat there and when the first four were processed there was sti
ll six people left in the audiance,,,,, I thought to myself. oh geez a b
unch of "not on my backyard" people.... Believe it or not all six were i
n favor of it cause they were all pilots and I had requested the FAA to
chart it for someone to use in case of an emergency.. Denver FAA w
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International"... It is in most databases using th
e identifier 2WY3. The good news is it is 3000' long,,, the
bad news is it is located at 7960 MSL. Which really isn't bad for
my fire breathing 801. <G></P>
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| Subject: | Re: LANDING LIGHT WIRE |
MessageNow that's the kind of answer I like. Talk to me like I don't
know nuthin' or less, which isn't far from the truth when it comes to
electrical stuff. Turn the switch on, the light goes on. Turn the switch
off, the light goes off.
Thanks Noel, and all the other replies.
Dave in Salem - where the sun is out for a couple of minutes.
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 12:10 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: LANDING LIGHT WIRE
Ok ... for a 100W sealed beam bulb ( the norm ) the current required
to light it is under 8 amps.
Now for the fun part
For one lamp with a run of 7' - 10' 16 ga
For two lamps on the same wire 12 ga wire.
For one lamp with a run of 12' - 15' 14 ga
For two lamps on the same wire 10 ga
These calculations were gleaned from AC43 for continuous flow at 20C
using tin plated MIL-W-27759 conductor
I think you can see why the length of the run is important as is the
current draw of the lamps themselves.
I think I would install the 10 ga wire for a couple of reasons. 1. It
won't add that much weight to your plane. and 2. It will carry just
about any load you may want to put on it.
Problems arise when you put too much demand on a wire and the wire
gets all hot and bothered about the extra work.
Hope this helps.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Ruddiman
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:01 AM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LANDING LIGHT WIRE
Now, there you go asking me all those technical questions. I don't
know where the battery goes yet. Haven't got that far. I might put the
lights on the struts up by the wing and run the wires either through the
wing or inside the strut fairing. Maybe have one on each side. I just
wanted to know what size wire would be to small so that I can fish them
easier when I decide where to put the lights.
Dave in Salem
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:18 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: LANDING LIGHT WIRE
Right on!
Let us know:
What the current requirement is for your light(s) If there is
more than one light how many
How long the run will be from your landing light switch
Will that wire be part of a larger bundle ( doubtful )
Landing lights can draw a lot of current. They are typically on
for over five minutes at a stretch. If they are too small they can
easily overheat especially if you get a long final.
For systems where the battery is on the firewall and the lights
are mounted in the cowl a relay between the battery and the light could
be an option.
In systems where the battery is behind the seats the lights could
be powered directly from the main buss.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Ruddiman
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:28 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: LANDING LIGHT WIRE
I need to know what wire size to use for landing lights. I
realize it depends on voltage and watts and electrical stuff like that.
Would 16AWG be enough or does it need to be heavier?
Thanks,
Dave in Salem - where it is still raining
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| Subject: | Re: Loss of Jim Pellien in N601VA |
The NTSB accident number is NYC07FA025. The preliminary report won't be on-line
several days, according to the NTSB. A fatality in type is very sobering.
Mr. Pellien was part of the XL family, and will be missed. My condolences and
prayers go out for his family.
David Glass
XL builder in Forest, VA
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| Subject: | 701 amphibous floats |
Hello,
I'm a new builder in Michigan and am just starting a 701. I've looked at the
701 for a number of years but was always on the edge of starting the project.
I have a 1800' grass strip that I plan to fly from. Living in Michigan
though provides a large amount of lakes and I had thought of amphibs as well.
I
had the opportunity to look at Mike Elrods 701 here in Michigan and it is on
full amphibs. By the way - Mike has a beautiful 701 and his cockpit layout and
uncluttered appearance is fantastic. It must come from driving all that big
iron around the sky. Which brings me to a question. I don't think full
amphibs would fate to well on a slightly bumpy grass strip, would Zeniths
tri-amphibs stand up to a little more abuse? They would probably be used only
three
months out of the year before the wheels go back on. Does Zenith still sell
these as kits and or plans?
Thanks for the input,
Ben
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The last name is STARN not Stern. Stern would make me the back end of a
boat or an old meanie. I'm am neither.
Robert seems not to know the difference between humor & odor.
My points were that using "Do Not Archive" keeps the archives from
filling up with the exact same comments over & over & over. If you wish
to prove my point go to the archives & enter the word "test" and see for
yourselves the amount of worthless duplicated posts that have been
posted there. Trimming posts also reduces the amount of those posts that
should be archived.
I chose not to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
Do Not Archive KABONG 8*)
----- Original Message -----
From: robert stone
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST
John Stern,
You are the kind of moron that causes a lot of people with
valuable information to leave the list so they will not have to put up
with bull shit from a fucking ass hole like you. You can kiss my ass
you fucking moron son -of a bitch. Don't bother to respond because any
message I see from you will be deleted un-read.
----- Original Message -----
From: JOHN STARN
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST
Test ?, what test ?, How can I respond to a test that does not
include at least one Do Not Archive. This test was "received by me" via
the list & trimmed by me too. KABONG 8*)
List Members,
I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am
doubting weather my posts ever got out and were read by anyone. Please
respond to this test message by a simple
RECEIVED BY ME
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx.
ZodiacXL
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Bob, I have to tell you, that chewing out was way uncalled for and over the top.
Another lister had declined to take time to help you because of the way you
teed off on somebody a while back to the effect of "mind your own damn business"
or something similar.
I had just replied to his email and asked that he reconsider because we are on
this list to help one another when your email tongue lashing hit the server. That
sort of behavior is not going to encourage anyone to reach out to help when
you ask. Where's all that anger coming from? Is it Touret's Syndrome?
This list is no place for that kind of stuff. An apology to Kabong and the rest
of the list in general is definitely in order here. Short of that, you may as
well unsubscribe because nobody is going to want to bother with helping you.
Most of us have wives and can get chewed out anytime we want without logging onto
the internet.
Ed Moody II
Do Not Archive
Do Not Go Postal on this List
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: robert stone
> To: jhstarn@verizon.net
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST
>
>
> John Stern,
> You are the kind of moron that causes a lot of people with valuable information
to leave the list so they will not have to put up with bull shit from
a fucking ass hole like you. You can kiss my ass you fucking moron son -of a
bitch. Don't bother to respond because any message I see from you will be deleted
un-read.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: JOHN STARN
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST
>
>
> Test ?, what test ?, How can I respond to a test that does not include at
least one Do Not Archive. This test was "received by me" via the list & trimmed
by me too. KABONG 8*)
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| Subject: | Re: 701 amphibous floats |
Ben
I am thinking of the same uses for my 701. I live on a lake in south GA
and would like to fly from the lake in the summer months. I asked Joy
at zenith if they offered the floats and she said they used to but did
not anymore. She referred me to CAN-ZAC. When I called them I was told
they might have some by spring '07 in the range of 6,000 to 10,000. A
little too steep for me. Let me know if you find anything. I am just
starting to build.
Lane Jones
CH 701
just starting
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Ed,
Well said and
DITTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In a message dated 11/14/2006 8:16:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
dredmoody@cox.net writes:
Bob, I have to tell you, that chewing out was way uncalled for and over the
top. Another lister had declined to take time to help you because of the way
you teed off on somebody a while back to the effect of "mind your own damn
business" or something similar.
I had just replied to his email and asked that he reconsider because we are
on this list to help one another when your email tongue lashing hit the
server. That sort of behavior is not going to encourage anyone to reach out to
help when you ask. Where's all that anger coming from? Is it Touret's Syndrome?
This list is no place for that kind of stuff. An apology to Kabong and the
rest of the list in general is definitely in order here. Short of that, you
may as well unsubscribe because nobody is going to want to bother with helping
you. Most of us have wives and can get chewed out anytime we want without
logging onto the internet.
Ed Moody II
Do Not Archive
Do Not Go Postal on this List
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| Subject: | Annual "Cuss Pot" Fund Drive Opens |
Listers,
As many of you now know (you couldn't POSSIBLY have missed it) the First Annual
Cuss Pot Fund Drive is off and running.
Patterned somewhat after many other fund drives in that "Donations" are being accepted,
this one differs only in that it offers prizes in return for contributions......more
you donate, bigger prize you get. Simple.
Oh......stand by a moment......what.....yes, yes, oh, that's wonderful......Ladies
and Gentlemen, we've just received word that all possible donations have
been made by just one individual.......this fine, upstanding, pillar-of-the- community,
man of great intellect and purveyor of genteel speech has seen fit to
dishonor his fellow Listers with a massive, and I might add, totally uncalled-for,
slap at civility. He IS THE WINNER of our one and only Grand Prize,
a prize absolutely fitting....... a suitable-for-framing photo of a horse's rear.
So, until next week, probably, when we'll have our next Fund Drive,
HAVE A NICE DAY, ROBERT !!
TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST DID YA GIT IT YET DOWN THERE IN HARKER HEIGHTS?
Kindest regards to almost all,
Zed
Please, oh Gods of the GREAT DELETE BUTTON, do not archive until read and understood.
( can they read in Harker Heights? )
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YOUR RIGHT. Bob sent his response DIRECTED only to me.
That's why I included the whole thing in my response.
I do not hide behind a keyboard when offering help, responding to a
problem or answering my critics. I think Bob hoped that I would leave
the list and sulk away.
Not this Tiger, you yank on my tail & I well respond like one.
You want to know something, need help on anything, just ASK. I'll do my
very best to be of assistance. Have been on these lists for more than
ten years, have ask for and given out knowledge all that time & will
continue to do so. The hanger at APV is still open to all, even Bob.
KABONG Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Lane Jones
To: jhstarn@verizon.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:49 PM
John,
Bob was wrong and over the top, but you should let the list know he
sent the message to your email and not the list. You sent it to the
list.
--
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| Subject: | Re: 701 amphibous floats |
Lane,
Same here, I'm just starting and while I would like the amphibs I don't want
to pay that kind of price for them. I do recall though that at one time there
were plans floating around for the amphibs that Zenith were selling. I think
Czech aircraft were building them for Zenith. Maybe someone else will know
if the plans might be available somewhere.
Ben
701
just starting
do not archive
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| Subject: | Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? |
Matt,
I built a 12'x4' work table using 3 12' long 2"x10" wood beams, braced them,
and put it on strong wheels. Problem is my floor is not all that flat and I
had to spend a few hours shimming up the table whenever I moved it. Also
noticed that the beams were not rigid enough and the table did not stay all
that flat. The middle sagged about 1/8" and I had to add legs in the middle
of the table.
As to making the table smaller, My 701 wings could probably been made on a
10'x3' table as long as you don't skimp on the 2"x2" metal beams used to
support the work.
Regards,
Les
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Matt Stecher
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:53 PM
> To: Zenith-List@Matronics.Com
> Subject: [spam] Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ??
>
> --> <mrcc1234@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I have searched the archives and could not find an answer to
> my question so I thought that I would ask the folks that know.
>
> I am building my workbench and would like to put it on wheels
> so that I can easily move it out of the way when not in use.
> But I am not sure how easy it will be to keep it true.
>
> I am also hoping to get away with only building a 10 foot
> bench, that space problem again.
>
> Has anyone had any luck with either one?
>
> By the way how was the WW College?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt in Katy
> XL Tail and Corvair
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 amphibous floats |
Lane, I have built a XL and have seen photos of 701s with different style
floats so they are available. Also, I have seen several pair in the last few
months for sale in the Trades. Probably save some money there. Also, in the
various magazines over the past years I have seen articles about building your
own
floats. If you can build an airplane, a couple floats should be a snap. Check
the archives. I'll bet you find something. Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Door glass, Rivet? |
Someone once told me the way to put a hole in Plexiglas is with a hot
welding rod. The edges of the hole thicken and heal into a stronger
retaining ring that is better to rivet to... Others say it will crack
faster...
Try it on a small piece of scrap.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Tom Faulkner
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:23 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Door glass, Rivet?
>
>
> <tomtafcor@triton.net>
>
> Dan: I don't know if you got an answer to your question, but
> that's what I
> did. Be sure to drill oversize holes in the Plexiglas using a
> Plexiglas
> drill or you will get cracking. I also cut tubing and put in
> the holes to
> add cushioning. Still got some cracks.
> Tom Faulkner
> N801TP
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 701 amphibous floats |
Check out the Full Lotus floats. The guys who fly them up this way use
them
year round on ice and snow too.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lane_jones
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 amphibous floats
Ben
I am thinking of the same uses for my 701. I live on a lake in south GA
and
would like to fly from the lake in the summer months. I asked Joy at
zenith
if they offered the floats and she said they used to but did not
anymore.
She referred me to CAN-ZAC. When I called them I was told they might
have
some by spring '07 in the range of 6,000 to 10,000. A little too steep
for
me. Let me know if you find anything. I am just starting to build.
Lane Jones
CH 701
just starting
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Well believe it or not this is the time of year that I start planning
the BBQ for Sun-N-Fun. It takes me awhile to tie up all the loose ends
so that I have as little as possible to do during the show. As most of
you know I started this event as a builder just wanting to share a good
evening with other builders, but it has become somewhat of a monster
from day one, with the first year having over 80 people in attendance. I
don=92t mind at all either, I cover all costs for the BBQ and put out a
donation jar, so far I have broken even with donations from each of you
and from Jabiru USA, homebuilthelp.com and of course Jim at
sportplanes.com ( my heartfelt condolences goes out to his family) also
kicking in is Flightcrafters. However, I do not accept a donation from
Zenith or any of the Heintz family I=92m just happy that they have
chosen
to attend every year since this event is not affiliated with the
company,. Well it was never supposed to be, but as Can-Zac now I can
hardly say there is not company involvement. The first year we have dogs
and burgers with many people bringing dessert and salads ( don=92t
forget
the strawberries), last year we had dogs and burgers with chicken wings
and roasted corn. The pop went too fast and 250 plates disappeared real
fast. Flightcrafters brought a massive cake and the strawberries were
there again. But what I need from you folks are idea=92s on what was
good
and what was bad? Do you want to see more of something? I tossed up the
idea of a pig roast, but that is a hell of a lot of work for a Canadian
to pull off. So I=92m open for suggestions. I would also like the chance
to firm up some salads and desserts this year so that everyone has a
full belly.
Just a final word, all this is possible with the Generous help From Rick
Roberts and his crew. Though Rick now lives in Georgia his crew are
still in Florida and are willing to help out with the BBQ,s and all the
cooking, which for two guys not in the aviation world is beyond gracious
and I can never say Thanks enough to those gents. The campsite will
remain the same as last year and is held for us by Jim Hoak. Remember
folks this is for you folks to meet other people of like interests, lets
see how big we can make it in April 19 2007
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
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In a message dated 11/14/2006 3:09:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
keith.ashcraft@itt.com writes:
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One idea no one has post:
Why not look for a airstrip already developed with hangar -houses around... They
can be found in almost all prices, I visited some in Texas that had grass
strips and were not (very) expensive. Some on the other side, with concrete strips
and remote electric entrance gate for the cars an lots of luxury...
Just a comment, hope it helps.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Keith Ashcraft <keith.ashcraft@itt.com> wrote: Hi John,
One thing to do, as Robert has mentioned, is to check with the County. I live
outside any city limits, so I follow the County rules. I was able to download
them from the Colorado Counties web sites, and looked at their "land proposals/usage"
section. Also, I have contacted the (2) neighbors close to me, 1/4 mile
and farther, and have mentioned to them that I will perfrom my flights, No Earlier
Than, 6:00am and No Later Than, 9:00pm. If I anticipate anytime outside
of these hours, I will call them and give them a "heads up" and forwarn them
in advance.
Also, offering "free rides" should also be a plus to get the neighbors favor!!
Good luck,
Keith
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
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John . . . I am a land developer and own a 701 in progress. The first place to
start is to go to the Town(ship) where you're interested in locating and ask
the code enforcement officer in the building dept (or the head of the building
dept.) if private air strips are permitted. Avoid the word "airport" - it
sounds massive and noisy. I generally buy a copy of the code and verify his
answer osk for copies of the pages which apply. Some towns if you go out far
enough from metro areas don't even have building codes, and then you should be
golden, but verification is still necessary.
When selecting a piece of land if possible have it so the runway and the next
1000 ft. beyond (even if on the neighbor's land) isn't aligned with anyone's home,
tall trees, high hills - anything that can kill you if you have an engine
out on take off. If you can avoid flying over the neighbors on takeoff and landing,
that is a big plus. Low flying planes over one's home make people nervous,
especially if they aren't from the aviation community. If you want to discuss
anything else, you can write me privately at hrs1@frontiernet.net. Good
luck. Robert Schoenberger 701
john butterfield wrote:
hi list thanks for the info on off airport landings. my
actual intent was to build a 1,000 foot runway on some
property i will buy in the sticks. guess i should
check with the neighbors (if any) before i start. always been my dream to have
a place "in the country"
that i could visit and taxi up to my own hanger and
walk to my abode.
thanks again
john butterfield
601XL corvair
torrance, ca
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Hello Ben,
Thats high!!! never thought there were areas in USA that high, not considering
Alaska...
Saludos
Gary Gower.
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"n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com> wrote: I built a private airstrip on
a ranch I own out here in Wyoming. I live in Jackson Hole and ol N801BH spends
most of its time up here. My ranch is 38 air miles and 102 driving miles from
home. All I needed was to petition the county for a conditional use permit, 25.00$
and three readings from the planning board and three readings from the commision.
On the very last hearing there was five items on the agenda, mine was
last. So I sat there and when the first four were processed there was still
six people left in the audiance,,,,, I thought to myself. oh geez a bunch of "not
on my backyard" people.... Believe it or not all six were in favor of it cause
they were all pilots and I had requested the FAA to chart it for someone
to use in case of an emergency.. Denver FAA wanted to know what I was going to
call it so of course I replied " Haas International"... It is in most databases
using the identifier 2WY3. The good news is
it is 3000' long,,, the bad news is it is located at 7960 MSL. Which really isn't
bad for my fire breathing 801. <G>
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N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com> wrote:
hi list
thanks for the info on off airport landings. my
actual intent was to build a 1,000 foot runway on some
property i will buy in the sticks. guess i should
check with the neighbors (if any) before i start.
always been my dream to have a place "in the country"
that i could visit and taxi up to my own hanger and
walk to my abode.
thanks again
john butterfield
601XL corvair
torrance, ca
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| Subject: | Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? |
Matt,
I am building my workbench frame out of 1.5" square steel tube. I plan
to use some all-thread in each leg to create jackstands. The jackstands
will lift the wheels off of the ground and will allow me to level the
table no matter how uneven the floor. At the suggestion of Jay in
Dallas, I am going to build the table low and provide enough range in
the jackstands to bring it up to a normal height. It will allow me to
run it high for wings and keep it low for working on the fuselage when
it is in the "Boat" stage. I will post pictures in my gallery as it
comes together.
Regards,
Bob Tezyk
Midlothian, TX
601XL / 3300 On Order
Delivery Jan 19, 2007, Preparing hangar for the build.
bob@eaglesnestestates.org
http://neo.datamatrix.com/eaglesnestestates/index.php?option=com_rsgall
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From: "Matt Stecher" <mrcc1234@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ??
I have searched the archives and could not find an answer to my question
so
I thought that I would ask the folks that know.
I am building my workbench and would like to put it on wheels so that I
can
easily move it out of the way when not in use. But I am not sure how
easy
it will be to keep it true.
I am also hoping to get away with only building a 10 foot bench, that
space
problem again.
Has anyone had any luck with either one?
By the way how was the WW College?
Thanks,
Matt in Katy
XL Tail and Corvair
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