---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/14/06: 62 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:50 AM - Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (Robert Taylor) 2. 06:13 AM - Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (ernie) 3. 06:19 AM - Re: LANDING LIGHT WIRE (Noel Loveys) 4. 06:19 AM - Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (N5SL) 5. 06:24 AM - Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (Dave Ruddiman) 6. 06:24 AM - 701 Drivers (Rick R) 7. 06:29 AM - Re: Re: Off Airport (Robert Schoenberger) 8. 06:30 AM - Re: LANDING LIGHT WIRE (Dave Ruddiman) 9. 06:37 AM - Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (Robert Schoenberger) 10. 06:38 AM - Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (Dave Ruddiman) 11. 06:52 AM - TEST (robert stone) 12. 07:00 AM - Re: TEST (Trainnut01@aol.com) 13. 07:12 AM - Re: TEST (Jaybannist@cs.com) 14. 07:14 AM - Re: Loss of Jim Pellien in crash of 601VA (TxDave) 15. 07:27 AM - Re: Re: Off Airport (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 16. 07:30 AM - Re: Re: Off Airport (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 17. 07:35 AM - 701 drivers (Rick R) 18. 07:35 AM - off airport (john butterfield) 19. 07:38 AM - Re: TEST (Al Etherington) 20. 07:54 AM - Re: TEST (Rick R) 21. 08:09 AM - Re: LANDING LIGHT WIRE (Bryan Martin) 22. 08:13 AM - Re: off airport (Robert Schoenberger) 23. 08:13 AM - Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (NYTerminat@aol.com) 24. 08:17 AM - Re: Re: Loss of Jim Pellien in crash of 601VA (Juan Vega) 25. 08:23 AM - Re: Loss of Jim Pellien in crash of 601VA (TxDave) 26. 08:33 AM - Re: TEST () 27. 08:37 AM - Re: off airport (NYTerminat@aol.com) 28. 08:47 AM - Re: TEST (rick tedford) 29. 08:48 AM - Re: TEST (Wade Jones) 30. 08:52 AM - Re: TEST (robert stone) 31. 08:53 AM - Re: TEST (robert stone) 32. 08:55 AM - Re: TEST (robert stone) 33. 09:10 AM - Re: off airport () 34. 09:28 AM - Re: TEST (robert stone) 35. 09:31 AM - Re: TEST (robert stone) 36. 10:58 AM - Re: TEST (rick tedford) 37. 11:33 AM - Re: TEST (JOHN STARN) 38. 12:07 PM - Re: off airport (Keith Ashcraft) 39. 12:08 PM - Re: TEST (Keith Ashcraft) 40. 12:10 PM - Re: LANDING LIGHT WIRE (Noel Loveys) 41. 12:19 PM - Re: TEST - are we finished testing yet? (Mike) 42. 12:53 PM - Re: Door glass, Rivet? (Tom Faulkner) 43. 01:14 PM - Re: off airport (n801bh@netzero.com) 44. 01:15 PM - Re: LANDING LIGHT WIRE (Dave Ruddiman) 45. 03:15 PM - Re: Loss of Jim Pellien in N601VA (deglass1@aol.com) 46. 03:30 PM - 701 amphibous floats (PipercubDream@aol.com) 47. 04:06 PM - Fw: TEST (JOHN STARN) 48. 05:14 PM - Re: Fw: TEST () 49. 05:14 PM - Re: 701 amphibous floats (lane_jones) 50. 05:26 PM - Re: Fw: TEST (NYTerminat@aol.com) 51. 06:16 PM - Annual "Cuss Pot" Fund Drive Opens (Zed Smith) 52. 06:21 PM - Re: (JOHN STARN) 53. 06:42 PM - Re: 701 amphibous floats (PipercubDream@aol.com) 54. 07:13 PM - Re: [spam] Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (Les Goldner) 55. 07:33 PM - Re: 701 amphibous floats (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 56. 08:19 PM - Re: Door glass, Rivet? (Noel Loveys) 57. 08:25 PM - Re: 701 amphibous floats (Noel Loveys) 58. 08:28 PM - Sun-N-Fun BBQ (Zodie Rocket) 59. 08:38 PM - Re: TEST (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 60. 11:25 PM - Re: off airport (Gary Gower) 61. 11:32 PM - Re: off airport (Gary Gower) 62. 11:46 PM - Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (Bob Tezyk) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:13 AM PST US From: "Robert Taylor" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? My bench is very similar to Dave bench. I made mine of 4x2 box section and mounted 4 trailer jockey wheels at each corner. To move it you wind them up and then re-level with the adjustable feet. Rob,Melb,Aust. >From: "Dave Ruddiman" >To: >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? >Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:24:40 -0800 > >Matt, > >My bench is 3' X10'. The top is made out of 4" channel iron. It has 6 legs. >I put 2 levels of angle iron below the top. Welded nuts on the bottom of >the legs for adjustment. So, I actually have a 4 X 10 top plus the lower >shelves for storage and tools and stuff. It's probably overkill, but it >doesn't move and it is perfectly level all around. It also weighs about a >ton, but it doesn't budge. I suppose you could put casters on and level it >whenever you move it. Hope the pictures aren't to big. > >Dave in Salem > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Stecher" >To: "Zenith-List@Matronics.Com" >Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:52 PM >Subject: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? > > >> >>I have searched the archives and could not find an answer to my question >>so >>I thought that I would ask the folks that know. >> >>I am building my workbench and would like to put it on wheels so that I >>can >>easily move it out of the way when not in use. But I am not sure how easy >>it will be to keep it true. >> >>I am also hoping to get away with only building a 10 foot bench, that >>space >>problem again. >> >>Has anyone had any luck with either one? >> >>By the way how was the WW College? >> >>Thanks, >>Matt in Katy >>XL Tail and Corvair >> >> >> >> >> >> ><< 100_2545.JPG >> ><< newworktable.jpg >> _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: 110,000+ cars with the click of a mouse at carsales.com.au ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:01 AM PST US From: ernie Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? Hi, Built mine using the the engineered beams found on the 801 site, (sorry don't have the name to give credit). Search this group for work bench should be able to find it. Used the best wheels from home depot about 12 bucks, two of the four wheels have brakes. It rolls well, I was worried the wheels would not be good enough their ratings was 275 pounds. Pictures. http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dhdvd8qv_8gzwkqk W I saw one person on this thread painting the workbench, Any opinions? Good idea? What paint would be best. I used MDF for a top. Good luck. Do not archive. On 11/13/06, Matt Stecher wrote: > > > I have searched the archives and could not find an answer to my question > so > I thought that I would ask the folks that know. > > I am building my workbench and would like to put it on wheels so that I > can > easily move it out of the way when not in use. But I am not sure how easy > it will be to keep it true. > > I am also hoping to get away with only building a 10 foot bench, that > space > problem again. > > Has anyone had any luck with either one? > > By the way how was the WW College? > > Thanks, > Matt in Katy > XL Tail and Corvair > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:19 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: LANDING LIGHT WIRE Right on! Let us know: What the current requirement is for your light(s) If there is more than one light how many How long the run will be from your landing light switch Will that wire be part of a larger bundle ( doubtful ) Landing lights can draw a lot of current. They are typically on for over five minutes at a stretch. If they are too small they can easily overheat especially if you get a long final. For systems where the battery is on the firewall and the lights are mounted in the cowl a relay between the battery and the light could be an option. In systems where the battery is behind the seats the lights could be powered directly from the main buss. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ruddiman Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:28 PM Subject: Zenith-List: LANDING LIGHT WIRE I need to know what wire size to use for landing lights. I realize it depends on voltage and watts and electrical stuff like that. Would 16AWG be enough or does it need to be heavier? Thanks, Dave in Salem - where it is still raining ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:57 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? Hello Matt in Katy: I like to put everything to the test so I asked all the people I could find to get on my new table and jump up and down. It held up well: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/5_25_03_WorkTableTest.jpg I don't recommend using Pneumatic tires. They don't roll well when the air gets low. On the other hand you can let air out and add air to level the table. Make sure all of the wheels swivel so you can steer the table in all directions to avoid airplane parts and automobiles. If you are still working on the tail, don't make it 10' right now. I used an old dining table to make the tail. When I finally got around to making a table, it went from 8': (http://www.cooknwithgas.com/5_25_03_WorkTable.jpg) to 12': (http://www.cooknwithgas.com/2_21_04_Wing.JPG) then to it's current configuration of 6': (http://www.cooknwithgas.com/11_2006_Table.JPG) during the span of the project. MDF is easily reconfigured and you can always use the removed pieces for forming blocks. Soon it will be reduced even further. I've found that any and all horizontal surfaces in my garage become junk collectors. Have fun, Scott in Omaha 601XL/Corvair Finishing up BRS installation http://www.cooknwithgas.com/BRS.html ----- Original Message ---- From: Matt Stecher I have searched the archives and could not find an answer to my question so I thought that I would ask the folks that know. I am building my workbench and would like to put it on wheels so that I can easily move it out of the way when not in use. But I am not sure how easy it will be to keep it true. I am also hoping to get away with only building a 10 foot bench, that space problem again. Has anyone had any luck with either one? By the way how was the WW College? Thanks, Matt in Katy XL Tail and Corvair ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:19 AM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? I used MDF for my top also. Just painted with a couple coats of semi gloss latex I found in one of my trucks. I don't think it matters what you use. You don't even have to paint. It makes it easier to lay out lines if you want and also to find little things you might have dropped on it. ----- Original Message ----- From: ernie To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:11 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? Hi, Built mine using the the engineered beams found on the 801 site, (sorry don't have the name to give credit). Search this group for work bench should be able to find it. Used the best wheels from home depot about 12 bucks, two of the four wheels have brakes. It rolls well, I was worried the wheels would not be good enough their ratings was 275 pounds. Pictures. http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dhdvd8qv_8gzwkqk W I saw one person on this thread painting the workbench, Any opinions? Good idea? What paint would be best. I used MDF for a top. Good luck. Do not archive. On 11/13/06, Matt Stecher wrote: mrcc1234@sbcglobal.net> I have searched the archives and could not find an answer to my question so I thought that I would ask the folks that know. I am building my workbench and would like to put it on wheels so that I can easily move it out of the way when not in use. But I am not sure how easy it will be to keep it true. I am also hoping to get away with only building a 10 foot bench, that space problem again. Has anyone had any luck with either one? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:52 AM PST US From: Rick R Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Drivers ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:42 AM PST US From: Robert Schoenberger Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Off Airport Bill . . . would you mind giving us the type of instrument, model, and manufacturer of the ones that failed so we don't make the same mistake? Thx. Robert Schoenberger 701 JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote: > Ed, I always enjoy your humor and I'm sure the IRS surveillance agents > scanning this thread for 'narr do wells' and evil tax evaders know > your just kidding. You are, Right ? If not, you guys contact me off > line and I'll lead you to right to him. Ha. Ed, something brilliant I > just arrived at something with my dull attorney brain; '"buy the very > best instruments you can afford." I had to replace the electric turn > coordinator this weekend to the tune of $565.00. I had bought a non > TSO'ed and it cost $289.00 and with less than 100 hours kaput,, total > loss ! Looking back over the last 15 months I replaced two altimeters, > two vac gages, CHT gages, DG and now a turn coordinator and I have a > VFR only instrument panel. Save on paint, save on interior,, but buy > the best you can for instruments because the "cheap" ones will break > soon and often. New rule: anything that has electricity passing > through it,, buy best !! By the way, when you coming over this way and > learn how to fly an XL anyway ? Best regards, Bill > do not archive > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:52 AM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LANDING LIGHT WIRE MessageNow, there you go asking me all those technical questions. I don't know where the battery goes yet. Haven't got that far. I might put the lights on the struts up by the wing and run the wires either through the wing or inside the strut fairing. Maybe have one on each side. I just wanted to know what size wire would be to small so that I can fish them easier when I decide where to put the lights. Dave in Salem ----- Original Message ----- From: Noel Loveys To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:18 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: LANDING LIGHT WIRE Right on! Let us know: What the current requirement is for your light(s) If there is more than one light how many How long the run will be from your landing light switch Will that wire be part of a larger bundle ( doubtful ) Landing lights can draw a lot of current. They are typically on for over five minutes at a stretch. If they are too small they can easily overheat especially if you get a long final. For systems where the battery is on the firewall and the lights are mounted in the cowl a relay between the battery and the light could be an option. In systems where the battery is behind the seats the lights could be powered directly from the main buss. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ruddiman Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:28 PM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: LANDING LIGHT WIRE I need to know what wire size to use for landing lights. I realize it depends on voltage and watts and electrical stuff like that. Would 16AWG be enough or does it need to be heavier? Thanks, Dave in Salem - where it is still raining href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:17 AM PST US From: Robert Schoenberger Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? Matt . . . you might want to consider putting a cross brace (2" x 4") connecting the end legs and about 3" off the floor. Then get two mover's dollies from Harbor Freight for about $16 each. Put each cross brace on a movers dolly. Robert Schoenberger 701 Matt Stecher wrote: > > I have searched the archives and could not find an answer to my question so > I thought that I would ask the folks that know. > > I am building my workbench and would like to put it on wheels so that I can > easily move it out of the way when not in use. But I am not sure how easy > it will be to keep it true. > > I am also hoping to get away with only building a 10 foot bench, that space > problem again. > > Has anyone had any luck with either one? > > By the way how was the WW College? > > Thanks, > Matt in Katy > XL Tail and Corvair > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:47 AM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? Actually, my table top is 4X12. 14 ft long would be nice, but I don't have the room. I like your idea about the trailer jacks. I might have to do that if I need to move it. It takes 4 people to do that with the top on and all the steel in it. That way it could be moved without unloading all the stuff on it first. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Taylor" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:48 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? > > > My bench is very similar to Dave bench. I made mine of 4x2 box section and > mounted 4 trailer jockey wheels at each corner. To move it you wind them > up and then re-level with the adjustable feet. > > Rob,Melb,Aust. > > >>From: "Dave Ruddiman" >>To: >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? >>Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:24:40 -0800 >> >>Matt, >> >>My bench is 3' X10'. The top is made out of 4" channel iron. It has 6 >>legs. I put 2 levels of angle iron below the top. Welded nuts on the >>bottom of the legs for adjustment. So, I actually have a 4 X 10 top plus >>the lower shelves for storage and tools and stuff. It's probably overkill, >>but it doesn't move and it is perfectly level all around. It also weighs >>about a ton, but it doesn't budge. I suppose you could put casters on and >>level it whenever you move it. Hope the pictures aren't to big. >> >>Dave in Salem >> >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Stecher" >>To: "Zenith-List@Matronics.Com" >>Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:52 PM >>Subject: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? >> >> >>> >>> >>>I have searched the archives and could not find an answer to my question >>>so >>>I thought that I would ask the folks that know. >>> >>>I am building my workbench and would like to put it on wheels so that I >>>can >>>easily move it out of the way when not in use. But I am not sure how >>>easy >>>it will be to keep it true. >>> >>>I am also hoping to get away with only building a 10 foot bench, that >>>space >>>problem again. >>> >>>Has anyone had any luck with either one? >>> >>>By the way how was the WW College? >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Matt in Katy >>>XL Tail and Corvair >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > >><< 100_2545.JPG >> > > >><< newworktable.jpg >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Advertisement: 110,000+ cars with the click of a mouse at carsales.com.au > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:20 AM PST US From: "robert stone" Subject: Zenith-List: TEST List Members, I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am doubting weather my posts ever got out and were read by anyone. Please respond to this test message by a simple RECEIVED BY ME Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx. ZodiacXL ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:18 AM PST US From: Trainnut01@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST RECIEVED BY ME ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:55 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: TEST Bob - "RECEIVED BY ME" Jay in Dallas "robert stone" wrote: >List Members, > I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am doubting weather my posts ever got out and were read by anyone. Please respond to this test message by a simple > RECEIVED BY ME > >Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx. >ZodiacXL > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:00 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Loss of Jim Pellien in crash of 601VA From: "TxDave" This is a true tragedy for Jim's family and friends, and also for the Zenith community. He was a really enthusiastic promoter of the 601XL and of SLSA aircraft in general. This beautiful 601XL was the first one certified as a SLSA. Jim had put it up for sale in September. He was a great guy and will be missed by many. Hopefully, we will learn the cause of the crash in a timely manner. Please note the links below. http://www.maspl.com/ http://www.controller.com/listings/forsale/detail.asp?OHID=1097724 Dave Clay Temple, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74502#74502 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:52 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Off Airport Ed, my folks taught me not to eat water roaches and fish bait, but I can drink pretty much anything, Sounds like you got a good plan. Bill ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:22 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Off Airport Robert, I will, but all that is at the airport so it'll be a few days, Bill ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:15 AM PST US From: Rick R Subject: Zenith-List: 701 drivers Try again: Guys, I'm working with the ladies at Kennon Aircraft Covers, Sheridan, WY., http://kennoncovers.com/ They are willing to develop and build fuse, tail, and wing covers for folks like me that are hangar-less. We are at "please mark this template" stage and as my 701 still looks like an erector set, for you folks over 45 years young, I need a volunteer with an assembled 701 to mark up the template and get it back to Kennon. Any takers? Contact me off line and I'll get the template to you. Many thanks, Rick do not archive Rick Sharpsburg, GA. USA http://www.n701rr.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:51 AM PST US From: john butterfield Subject: Zenith-List: off airport hi list thanks for the info on off airport landings. my actual intent was to build a 1,000 foot runway on some property i will buy in the sticks. guess i should check with the neighbors (if any) before i start. always been my dream to have a place "in the country" that i could visit and taxi up to my own hanger and walk to my abode. thanks again john butterfield 601XL corvair torrance, ca do not archive Want to start your own business? http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:14 AM PST US From: Al Etherington Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST robert stone wrote: > List Members, > I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am > doubting weather my posts ever got out and were read by anyone. > Please respond to this test message by a simple > RECEIVED BY ME > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx. > ZodiacXL > * > * Received by me. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:58 AM PST US From: Rick R Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST Same here Bob...servers must be hanging up... robert stone wrote: List Members, I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am doubting weather my posts ever got out and were read by anyone. Please respond to this test message by a simple RECEIVED BY ME Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx. ZodiacXL ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:49 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LANDING LIGHT WIRE ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:46 AM PST US From: Robert Schoenberger Subject: Re: Zenith-List: off airport John . . . I am a land developer and own a 701 in progress. The first place to start is to go to the Town(ship) where you're interested in locating and ask the code enforcement officer in the building dept (or the head of the building dept.) if private air strips are permitted. Avoid the word "airport" - it sounds massive and noisy. I generally buy a copy of the code and verify his answer osk for copies of the pages which apply. Some towns if you go out far enough from metro areas don't even have building codes, and then you should be golden, but verification is still necessary. When selecting a piece of land if possible have it so the runway and the next 1000 ft. beyond (even if on the neighbor's land) isn't aligned with anyone's home, tall trees, high hills - anything that can kill you if you have an engine out on take off. If you can avoid flying over the neighbors on takeoff and landing, that is a big plus. Low flying planes over one's home make people nervous, especially if they aren't from the aviation community. If you want to discuss anything else, you can write me privately at hrs1@frontiernet.net. Good luck. Robert Schoenberger 701 john butterfield wrote: > > hi list > thanks for the info on off airport landings. my > actual intent was to build a 1,000 foot runway on some > property i will buy in the sticks. guess i should > check with the neighbors (if any) before i start. > always been my dream to have a place "in the country" > that i could visit and taxi up to my own hanger and > walk to my abode. > > thanks again > john butterfield > 601XL corvair > torrance, ca > do not archive > > > > Want to start your own business? > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:57 AM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? I would suggest that you make a bottom shelf for the table, it comes in quite handy and gives you extra storage space. In a message dated 11/14/2006 9:14:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ernieth@gmail.com writes: Hi, Built mine using the the engineered beams found on the 801 site, (sorry don't have the name to give credit). Search this group for work bench should be able to find it. Used the best wheels from home depot about 12 bucks, two of the four wheels have brakes. It rolls well, I was worried the wheels would not be good enough their ratings was 275 pounds. Pictures. _http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dhdvd8qv_8gzwkqk_ (http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dhdvd8qv_8gzwkqk) W I saw one person on this thread painting the workbench, Any opinions? Good idea? What paint would be best. I used MDF for a top. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:48 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Loss of Jim Pellien in crash of 601VA Dave, I just got on the forum, what happened to Jim? did the 601xl he was selling crash with him in it? is this the third crash of the month or is it the same one as last week? DO NOT ARCHIVE Juan -----Original Message----- >From: TxDave >Sent: Nov 14, 2006 10:13 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Loss of Jim Pellien in crash of 601VA > > >This is a true tragedy for Jim's family and friends, and also for the Zenith community. He was a really enthusiastic promoter of the 601XL and of SLSA aircraft in general. This beautiful 601XL was the first one certified as a SLSA. Jim had put it up for sale in September. He was a great guy and will be missed by many. > >Hopefully, we will learn the cause of the crash in a timely manner. Please note the links below. > >http://www.maspl.com/ > >http://www.controller.com/listings/forsale/detail.asp?OHID=1097724 > >Dave Clay >Temple, TX > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74502#74502 > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:58 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Loss of Jim Pellien in crash of 601VA From: "TxDave" This just happened this past Saturday. See the link to the news report in the first message in this thread. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74527#74527 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:20 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST Received by me Do Not Archive ---- robert stone wrote: > List Members, > I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am doubting weather my posts ever got out and were read by anyone. Please respond to this test message by a simple > RECEIVED BY ME > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx. > ZodiacXL ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:06 AM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: off airport That is what I did on my property in NY. There was another private one a few miles away, so I didn't ask and just put it in. One suggestion is if have the property make the runway as long as possible especially if you have obstructions. You also might want to change airplanes or have some friends come over, just gives you more options. Bob Spudis N701ZX CH701/912S In a message dated 11/14/2006 10:36:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jdbutterfield@yahoo.com writes: hi list thanks for the info on off airport landings. my actual intent was to build a 1,000 foot runway on some property i will buy in the sticks. guess i should check with the neighbors (if any) before i start. always been my dream to have a place "in the country" that i could visit and taxi up to my own hanger and walk to my abode. thanks again john butterfield 601XL corvair torrance, ca do not archive ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:40 AM PST US From: "rick tedford" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST received by me cheers Rick in northern ontario ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Etherington" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:37 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST > > > robert stone wrote: >> List Members, >> I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am >> doubting weather my posts ever got out and were read by anyone. Please >> respond to this test message by a simple >> RECEIVED BY ME >> Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx. >> ZodiacXL >> * >> * > Received by me. > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:12 AM PST US From: "Wade Jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST Hi Bob ,received by me .I need to get in contact with you .There is a young fellow that just got back from Iraq last Tues. and he lives in your town . He spent two tours flying in Iraq and comes from an EAA family . Wade Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: robert stone To: Zenith List Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:51 AM Subject: Zenith-List: TEST List Members, I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am doubting weather my posts ever got out and were read by anyone. Please respond to this test message by a simple RECEIVED BY ME Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx. ZodiacXL ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:14 AM PST US From: "robert stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST Rick, Your reply did come in to me. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick R To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST Same here Bob...servers must be hanging up... robert stone wrote: List Members, I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am doubting weather my posts ever got out and were read by anyone. Please respond to this test message by a simple RECEIVED BY ME =========== ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:40 AM PST US From: "robert stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST Al, Thanks for the response. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Etherington" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST > > > robert stone wrote: >> List Members, >> I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am >> doubting weather my posts ever got out and were read by anyone. Please >> respond to this test message by a simple >> RECEIVED BY ME >> Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx. >> ZodiacXL >> * >> * > Received by me. > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:36 AM PST US From: "robert stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST Jay, Thanks for the response. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:12 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: TEST > > Bob - "RECEIVED BY ME" > > Jay in Dallas > > > "robert stone" wrote: > >>List Members, >> I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am doubting >> weather my posts ever got out and were read by anyone. Please respond to >> this test message by a simple >> RECEIVED BY ME >> >>Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx. >>ZodiacXL >> > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:54 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: off airport Consider the density altitude at which you will be operating from such a short strip before proceeding. It doesn't sound like you are leaving much room for trouble. Ed Moody II ---- john butterfield wrote: > > hi list > thanks for the info on off airport landings. my > actual intent was to build a 1,000 foot runway on some > property i will buy in the sticks. guess i should > check with the neighbors (if any) before i start. > always been my dream to have a place "in the country" > that i could visit and taxi up to my own hanger and > walk to my abode. > > thanks again > john butterfield > 601XL corvair > torrance, ca > do not archive > > > > Want to start your own business? > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index > > > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:44 AM PST US From: "robert stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST Rick, Thanks for the response. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "rick tedford" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:46 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST > > > received by me > cheers > Rick in northern ontario > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Etherington" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:37 AM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST > > >> >> >> robert stone wrote: >>> List Members, >>> I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am >>> doubting weather my posts ever got out and were read by anyone. Please >>> respond to this test message by a simple >>> RECEIVED BY ME >>> Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx. >>> ZodiacXL >>> * >>> * >> Received by me. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:19 AM PST US From: "robert stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST Trainnut, Thanks for the response. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Trainnut01@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:59 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST RECIEVED BY ME ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:39 AM PST US From: "rick tedford" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST Bob : I did receive your message OK ,soory if it got confused with another . Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: robert stone To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:51 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST Rick, Your reply did come in to me. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick R To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST Same here Bob...servers must be hanging up... robert stone wrote: List Members, I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am doubting weather my posts ever got out and were read by anyone. Please respond to this test message by a simple RECEIVED BY ME www.buildersbooks.com Enterprises www.kitlog.com HomebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com ontribution List Admin. Navigator to Photoshare, and href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron ics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List =========== ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 11/13/2006 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:51 AM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST Test ?, what test ?, How can I respond to a test that does not include at least one Do Not Archive. This test was "received by me" via the list & trimmed by me too. KABONG 8*) List Members, I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am doubting weather my posts ever got out and were read by anyone. Please respond to this test message by a simple RECEIVED BY ME Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx. ZodiacXL ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 12:07:54 PM PST US From: Keith Ashcraft Subject: Re: Zenith-List: off airport Hi John, One thing to do, as Robert has mentioned, is to check with the County. I live outside any city limits, so I follow the County rules. I was able to download them from the Colorado Counties web sites, and looked at their "land proposals/usage" section. Also, I have contacted the (2) neighbors close to me, 1/4 mile and farther, and have mentioned to them that I will perfrom my flights, No Earlier Than, 6:00am and No Later Than, 9:00pm. If I anticipate anytime outside of these hours, I will call them and give them a "heads up" and forwarn them in advance. Also, offering "free rides" should also be a plus to get the neighbors favor!! Good luck, Keith N 38.9947 W 105.1305 Alt. 9,100' ******************************************************************************* Robert Schoenberger wrote: > > > John . . . I am a land developer and own a 701 in progress. The first > place to start is to go to the Town(ship) where you're interested in > locating and ask the code enforcement officer in the building dept (or > the head of the building dept.) if private air strips are permitted. > Avoid the word "airport" - it sounds massive and noisy. I generally > buy a copy of the code and verify his answer osk for copies of the > pages which apply. Some towns if you go out far enough from metro > areas don't even have building codes, and then you should be golden, > but verification is still necessary. > When selecting a piece of land if possible have it so the runway and > the next 1000 ft. beyond (even if on the neighbor's land) isn't > aligned with anyone's home, tall trees, high hills - anything that can > kill you if you have an engine out on take off. If you can avoid > flying over the neighbors on takeoff and landing, that is a big plus. > Low flying planes over one's home make people nervous, especially if > they aren't from the aviation community. If you want to discuss > anything else, you can write me privately at hrs1@frontiernet.net. > Good luck. Robert Schoenberger 701 > > john butterfield wrote: > >> >> >> hi list thanks for the info on off airport landings. my >> actual intent was to build a 1,000 foot runway on some >> property i will buy in the sticks. guess i should >> check with the neighbors (if any) before i start. always been my >> dream to have a place "in the country" >> that i could visit and taxi up to my own hanger and >> walk to my abode. >> >> thanks again >> john butterfield >> 601XL corvair >> torrance, ca >> do not archive >> >> >> >> Want to start your own business? >> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- ************************************* *Keith Ashcraft* ITT Industries Advanced Engineering & Sciences 5009 Centennial Blvd. Colorado Springs, CO 80919 (719) 599-1787 -- work (719) 332-4364 -- cell keith.ashcraft@itt.com ************************************ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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DO NOT ARCHIVE Keith in Colorado ******************************************************** > List Members, > I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am > doubting weather my posts ever got out and were read by anyone. > Please respond to this test message by a simple > RECEIVED BY ME > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx. > ZodiacXL > ************************************ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT, Inc. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. ************************************ ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:52 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: LANDING LIGHT WIRE Ok ... for a 100W sealed beam bulb ( the norm ) the current required to light it is under 8 amps. Now for the fun part For one lamp with a run of 7' - 10' 16 ga For two lamps on the same wire 12 ga wire. For one lamp with a run of 12' - 15' 14 ga For two lamps on the same wire 10 ga These calculations were gleaned from AC43 for continuous flow at 20C using tin plated MIL-W-27759 conductor I think you can see why the length of the run is important as is the current draw of the lamps themselves. I think I would install the 10 ga wire for a couple of reasons. 1. It won't add that much weight to your plane. and 2. It will carry just about any load you may want to put on it. Problems arise when you put too much demand on a wire and the wire gets all hot and bothered about the extra work. Hope this helps. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ruddiman Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:01 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LANDING LIGHT WIRE Now, there you go asking me all those technical questions. I don't know where the battery goes yet. Haven't got that far. I might put the lights on the struts up by the wing and run the wires either through the wing or inside the strut fairing. Maybe have one on each side. I just wanted to know what size wire would be to small so that I can fish them easier when I decide where to put the lights. Dave in Salem ----- Original Message ----- From: Noel Loveys Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:18 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: LANDING LIGHT WIRE Right on! Let us know: What the current requirement is for your light(s) If there is more than one light how many How long the run will be from your landing light switch Will that wire be part of a larger bundle ( doubtful ) Landing lights can draw a lot of current. They are typically on for over five minutes at a stretch. If they are too small they can easily overheat especially if you get a long final. For systems where the battery is on the firewall and the lights are mounted in the cowl a relay between the battery and the light could be an option. In systems where the battery is behind the seats the lights could be powered directly from the main buss. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ruddiman Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:28 PM Subject: Zenith-List: LANDING LIGHT WIRE I need to know what wire size to use for landing lights. I realize it depends on voltage and watts and electrical stuff like that. Would 16AWG be enough or does it need to be heavier? Thanks, Dave in Salem - where it is still raining href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 12:19:57 PM PST US From: Mike Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST - are we finished testing yet? Guys -- maybe you can do this off list? do not archive --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:23 PM PST US From: "Tom Faulkner" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Door glass, Rivet? Dan: I don't know if you got an answer to your question, but that's what I did. Be sure to drill oversize holes in the Plexiglas using a Plexiglas drill or you will get cracking. I also cut tubing and put in the holes to add cushioning. Still got some cracks. Tom Faulkner N801TP ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:54 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: off airport I built a private airstrip on a ranch I own out here in Wyoming. I live in Jackson Hole and ol N801BH spends most of its time up here. My ranch is 38 air miles and 102 driving miles from home. All I needed was to pet ition the county for a conditional use permit, 25.00$ and three readings from the planning board and three readings from the commision. On the v ery last hearing there was five items on the agenda, mine was last. So I sat there and when the first four were processed there was still six pe ople left in the audiance,,,,, I thought to myself. oh geez a bunch of " not on my backyard" people.... Believe it or not all six were in favor o f it cause they were all pilots and I had requested the FAA to chart it for someone to use in case of an emergency.. Denver FAA wanted to know what I was going to call it so of course I replied " Haas International" ... It is in most databases using the identifier 2WY3. The good news is it is 3000' long,,, the bad news is it is located at 7960 MSL. Whic h really isn't bad for my fire breathing 801. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- john butterfield wrote: .com> hi list thanks for the info on off airport landings. my actual intent was to build a 1,000 foot runway on some property i will buy in the sticks. guess i should check with the neighbors (if any) before i start. always been my dream to have a place "in the country" that i could visit and taxi up to my own hanger and walk to my abode. thanks again john butterfield 601XL corvair torrance, ca do not archive Want to start your own business? http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== ===========

I built a private airstrip on a ranch I own out here in Wyoming . I live in Jackson Hole and ol N801BH spends most of its time up here. My ranch is 38 air miles and 102 driving miles from home. All I needed w as to petition the county for a conditional use permit, 25.00$ and three readings from the planning board and three readings from the commision. On the very last hearing there was five items on the agenda, mine was l ast. So I sat there and when the first four were processed there was sti ll six people left in the audiance,,,,, I thought to myself. oh geez a b unch of "not on my backyard" people.... Believe it or not all six were i n favor of it cause they were all pilots and I had requested the FAA to chart it for someone to use in case of an emergency..  Denver FAA w anted to know what I was going to call it so of course I replied " Haas International"...   It is in most databases using th e identifier   2WY3. The good news is it is 3000' long,,, the bad news is it is located at  7960 MSL. Which really isn't bad for my fire breathing 801. <G>

do not archive


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N801BH
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-- john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.c om> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted&n bsp;by: john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>< BR>
hi list 
thanks for the info on& nbsp;off airport landings.  my
actual intent  was to build a 1,000 foot runway&nbs p;on some
property i will buy in the&nb sp;sticks.  guess i should
check with t he neighbors (if any) before i start.  ;
always been my dream to have a p lace "in the country"
that i could visi t and taxi up to my own hanger a nd
walk to my abode.

thanks again
john& nbsp;butterfield
601XL corvair
torrance, ca
do n ot archive


 
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________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:39 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LANDING LIGHT WIRE MessageNow that's the kind of answer I like. Talk to me like I don't know nuthin' or less, which isn't far from the truth when it comes to electrical stuff. Turn the switch on, the light goes on. Turn the switch off, the light goes off. Thanks Noel, and all the other replies. Dave in Salem - where the sun is out for a couple of minutes. ----- Original Message ----- From: Noel Loveys To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 12:10 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: LANDING LIGHT WIRE Ok ... for a 100W sealed beam bulb ( the norm ) the current required to light it is under 8 amps. Now for the fun part For one lamp with a run of 7' - 10' 16 ga For two lamps on the same wire 12 ga wire. For one lamp with a run of 12' - 15' 14 ga For two lamps on the same wire 10 ga These calculations were gleaned from AC43 for continuous flow at 20C using tin plated MIL-W-27759 conductor I think you can see why the length of the run is important as is the current draw of the lamps themselves. I think I would install the 10 ga wire for a couple of reasons. 1. It won't add that much weight to your plane. and 2. It will carry just about any load you may want to put on it. Problems arise when you put too much demand on a wire and the wire gets all hot and bothered about the extra work. Hope this helps. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ruddiman Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:01 AM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LANDING LIGHT WIRE Now, there you go asking me all those technical questions. I don't know where the battery goes yet. Haven't got that far. I might put the lights on the struts up by the wing and run the wires either through the wing or inside the strut fairing. Maybe have one on each side. I just wanted to know what size wire would be to small so that I can fish them easier when I decide where to put the lights. Dave in Salem ----- Original Message ----- From: Noel Loveys To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:18 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: LANDING LIGHT WIRE Right on! Let us know: What the current requirement is for your light(s) If there is more than one light how many How long the run will be from your landing light switch Will that wire be part of a larger bundle ( doubtful ) Landing lights can draw a lot of current. They are typically on for over five minutes at a stretch. If they are too small they can easily overheat especially if you get a long final. For systems where the battery is on the firewall and the lights are mounted in the cowl a relay between the battery and the light could be an option. In systems where the battery is behind the seats the lights could be powered directly from the main buss. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ruddiman Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:28 PM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: LANDING LIGHT WIRE I need to know what wire size to use for landing lights. I realize it depends on voltage and watts and electrical stuff like that. Would 16AWG be enough or does it need to be heavier? Thanks, Dave in Salem - where it is still raining href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:04 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Loss of Jim Pellien in N601VA From: deglass1@aol.com The NTSB accident number is NYC07FA025. The preliminary report won't be on-line several days, according to the NTSB. A fatality in type is very sobering. Mr. Pellien was part of the XL family, and will be missed. My condolences and prayers go out for his family. David Glass XL builder in Forest, VA ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:57 PM PST US From: PipercubDream@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: 701 amphibous floats Hello, I'm a new builder in Michigan and am just starting a 701. I've looked at the 701 for a number of years but was always on the edge of starting the project. I have a 1800' grass strip that I plan to fly from. Living in Michigan though provides a large amount of lakes and I had thought of amphibs as well. I had the opportunity to look at Mike Elrods 701 here in Michigan and it is on full amphibs. By the way - Mike has a beautiful 701 and his cockpit layout and uncluttered appearance is fantastic. It must come from driving all that big iron around the sky. Which brings me to a question. I don't think full amphibs would fate to well on a slightly bumpy grass strip, would Zeniths tri-amphibs stand up to a little more abuse? They would probably be used only three months out of the year before the wheels go back on. Does Zenith still sell these as kits and or plans? Thanks for the input, Ben ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:19 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Fw: Zenith-List: TEST The last name is STARN not Stern. Stern would make me the back end of a boat or an old meanie. I'm am neither. Robert seems not to know the difference between humor & odor. My points were that using "Do Not Archive" keeps the archives from filling up with the exact same comments over & over & over. If you wish to prove my point go to the archives & enter the word "test" and see for yourselves the amount of worthless duplicated posts that have been posted there. Trimming posts also reduces the amount of those posts that should be archived. I chose not to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person. Do Not Archive KABONG 8*) ----- Original Message ----- From: robert stone Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:39 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST John Stern, You are the kind of moron that causes a lot of people with valuable information to leave the list so they will not have to put up with bull shit from a fucking ass hole like you. You can kiss my ass you fucking moron son -of a bitch. Don't bother to respond because any message I see from you will be deleted un-read. ----- Original Message ----- From: JOHN STARN To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:31 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST Test ?, what test ?, How can I respond to a test that does not include at least one Do Not Archive. This test was "received by me" via the list & trimmed by me too. KABONG 8*) List Members, I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am doubting weather my posts ever got out and were read by anyone. Please respond to this test message by a simple RECEIVED BY ME Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx. ZodiacXL ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:51 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Fw: Zenith-List: TEST Bob, I have to tell you, that chewing out was way uncalled for and over the top. Another lister had declined to take time to help you because of the way you teed off on somebody a while back to the effect of "mind your own damn business" or something similar. I had just replied to his email and asked that he reconsider because we are on this list to help one another when your email tongue lashing hit the server. That sort of behavior is not going to encourage anyone to reach out to help when you ask. Where's all that anger coming from? Is it Touret's Syndrome? This list is no place for that kind of stuff. An apology to Kabong and the rest of the list in general is definitely in order here. Short of that, you may as well unsubscribe because nobody is going to want to bother with helping you. Most of us have wives and can get chewed out anytime we want without logging onto the internet. Ed Moody II Do Not Archive Do Not Go Postal on this List > ----- Original Message ----- > From: robert stone > To: jhstarn@verizon.net > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:39 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST > > > John Stern, > You are the kind of moron that causes a lot of people with valuable information to leave the list so they will not have to put up with bull shit from a fucking ass hole like you. You can kiss my ass you fucking moron son -of a bitch. Don't bother to respond because any message I see from you will be deleted un-read. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JOHN STARN > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:31 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST > > > Test ?, what test ?, How can I respond to a test that does not include at least one Do Not Archive. This test was "received by me" via the list & trimmed by me too. KABONG 8*) ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:51 PM PST US From: "lane_jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 amphibous floats Ben I am thinking of the same uses for my 701. I live on a lake in south GA and would like to fly from the lake in the summer months. I asked Joy at zenith if they offered the floats and she said they used to but did not anymore. She referred me to CAN-ZAC. When I called them I was told they might have some by spring '07 in the range of 6,000 to 10,000. A little too steep for me. Let me know if you find anything. I am just starting to build. Lane Jones CH 701 just starting ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:58 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: Zenith-List: TEST Ed, Well said and DITTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In a message dated 11/14/2006 8:16:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dredmoody@cox.net writes: Bob, I have to tell you, that chewing out was way uncalled for and over the top. Another lister had declined to take time to help you because of the way you teed off on somebody a while back to the effect of "mind your own damn business" or something similar. I had just replied to his email and asked that he reconsider because we are on this list to help one another when your email tongue lashing hit the server. That sort of behavior is not going to encourage anyone to reach out to help when you ask. Where's all that anger coming from? Is it Touret's Syndrome? This list is no place for that kind of stuff. An apology to Kabong and the rest of the list in general is definitely in order here. Short of that, you may as well unsubscribe because nobody is going to want to bother with helping you. Most of us have wives and can get chewed out anytime we want without logging onto the internet. Ed Moody II Do Not Archive Do Not Go Postal on this List ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:18 PM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: Annual "Cuss Pot" Fund Drive Opens Listers, As many of you now know (you couldn't POSSIBLY have missed it) the First Annual Cuss Pot Fund Drive is off and running. Patterned somewhat after many other fund drives in that "Donations" are being accepted, this one differs only in that it offers prizes in return for contributions......more you donate, bigger prize you get. Simple. Oh......stand by a moment......what.....yes, yes, oh, that's wonderful......Ladies and Gentlemen, we've just received word that all possible donations have been made by just one individual.......this fine, upstanding, pillar-of-the- community, man of great intellect and purveyor of genteel speech has seen fit to dishonor his fellow Listers with a massive, and I might add, totally uncalled-for, slap at civility. He IS THE WINNER of our one and only Grand Prize, a prize absolutely fitting....... a suitable-for-framing photo of a horse's rear. So, until next week, probably, when we'll have our next Fund Drive, HAVE A NICE DAY, ROBERT !! TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST DID YA GIT IT YET DOWN THERE IN HARKER HEIGHTS? Kindest regards to almost all, Zed Please, oh Gods of the GREAT DELETE BUTTON, do not archive until read and understood. ( can they read in Harker Heights? ) ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:09 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: YOUR RIGHT. Bob sent his response DIRECTED only to me. That's why I included the whole thing in my response. I do not hide behind a keyboard when offering help, responding to a problem or answering my critics. I think Bob hoped that I would leave the list and sulk away. Not this Tiger, you yank on my tail & I well respond like one. You want to know something, need help on anything, just ASK. I'll do my very best to be of assistance. Have been on these lists for more than ten years, have ask for and given out knowledge all that time & will continue to do so. The hanger at APV is still open to all, even Bob. KABONG Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Lane Jones To: jhstarn@verizon.net Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:49 PM John, Bob was wrong and over the top, but you should let the list know he sent the message to your email and not the list. You sent it to the list. -- ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:34 PM PST US From: PipercubDream@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 amphibous floats Lane, Same here, I'm just starting and while I would like the amphibs I don't want to pay that kind of price for them. I do recall though that at one time there were plans floating around for the amphibs that Zenith were selling. I think Czech aircraft were building them for Zenith. Maybe someone else will know if the plans might be available somewhere. Ben 701 just starting do not archive ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:01 PM PST US From: "Les Goldner" Subject: RE: [spam] Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? Matt, I built a 12'x4' work table using 3 12' long 2"x10" wood beams, braced them, and put it on strong wheels. Problem is my floor is not all that flat and I had to spend a few hours shimming up the table whenever I moved it. Also noticed that the beams were not rigid enough and the table did not stay all that flat. The middle sagged about 1/8" and I had to add legs in the middle of the table. As to making the table smaller, My 701 wings could probably been made on a 10'x3' table as long as you don't skimp on the 2"x2" metal beams used to support the work. Regards, Les > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Matt Stecher > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:53 PM > To: Zenith-List@Matronics.Com > Subject: [spam] Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? > > --> > > I have searched the archives and could not find an answer to > my question so I thought that I would ask the folks that know. > > I am building my workbench and would like to put it on wheels > so that I can easily move it out of the way when not in use. > But I am not sure how easy it will be to keep it true. > > I am also hoping to get away with only building a 10 foot > bench, that space problem again. > > Has anyone had any luck with either one? > > By the way how was the WW College? > > Thanks, > Matt in Katy > XL Tail and Corvair > > > Photoshare, and much much more: > > ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:15 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 amphibous floats Lane, I have built a XL and have seen photos of 701s with different style floats so they are available. Also, I have seen several pair in the last few months for sale in the Trades. Probably save some money there. Also, in the various magazines over the past years I have seen articles about building your own floats. If you can build an airplane, a couple floats should be a snap. Check the archives. I'll bet you find something. Best regards, Bill of Georgia ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:43 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Door glass, Rivet? Someone once told me the way to put a hole in Plexiglas is with a hot welding rod. The edges of the hole thicken and heal into a stronger retaining ring that is better to rivet to... Others say it will crack faster... Try it on a small piece of scrap. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Tom Faulkner > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:23 PM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Door glass, Rivet? > > > > > Dan: I don't know if you got an answer to your question, but > that's what I > did. Be sure to drill oversize holes in the Plexiglas using a > Plexiglas > drill or you will get cracking. I also cut tubing and put in > the holes to > add cushioning. Still got some cracks. > Tom Faulkner > N801TP > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:28 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 701 amphibous floats Check out the Full Lotus floats. The guys who fly them up this way use them year round on ice and snow too. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lane_jones Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:37 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 amphibous floats Ben I am thinking of the same uses for my 701. I live on a lake in south GA and would like to fly from the lake in the summer months. I asked Joy at zenith if they offered the floats and she said they used to but did not anymore. She referred me to CAN-ZAC. When I called them I was told they might have some by spring '07 in the range of 6,000 to 10,000. A little too steep for me. Let me know if you find anything. I am just starting to build. Lane Jones CH 701 just starting ________________________________ Message 58 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:49 PM PST US From: "Zodie Rocket" Subject: Zenith-List: Sun-N-Fun BBQ Well believe it or not this is the time of year that I start planning the BBQ for Sun-N-Fun. It takes me awhile to tie up all the loose ends so that I have as little as possible to do during the show. As most of you know I started this event as a builder just wanting to share a good evening with other builders, but it has become somewhat of a monster from day one, with the first year having over 80 people in attendance. I don=92t mind at all either, I cover all costs for the BBQ and put out a donation jar, so far I have broken even with donations from each of you and from Jabiru USA, homebuilthelp.com and of course Jim at sportplanes.com ( my heartfelt condolences goes out to his family) also kicking in is Flightcrafters. However, I do not accept a donation from Zenith or any of the Heintz family I=92m just happy that they have chosen to attend every year since this event is not affiliated with the company,. Well it was never supposed to be, but as Can-Zac now I can hardly say there is not company involvement. The first year we have dogs and burgers with many people bringing dessert and salads ( don=92t forget the strawberries), last year we had dogs and burgers with chicken wings and roasted corn. The pop went too fast and 250 plates disappeared real fast. Flightcrafters brought a massive cake and the strawberries were there again. But what I need from you folks are idea=92s on what was good and what was bad? Do you want to see more of something? I tossed up the idea of a pig roast, but that is a hell of a lot of work for a Canadian to pull off. So I=92m open for suggestions. I would also like the chance to firm up some salads and desserts this year so that everyone has a full belly. Just a final word, all this is possible with the Generous help From Rick Roberts and his crew. Though Rick now lives in Georgia his crew are still in Florida and are willing to help out with the BBQ,s and all the cooking, which for two guys not in the aviation world is beyond gracious and I can never say Thanks enough to those gents. The campsite will remain the same as last year and is held for us by Jim Hoak. Remember folks this is for you folks to meet other people of like interests, lets see how big we can make it in April 19 2007 Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. HYPERLINK "mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com -- 11/14/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 11/14/2006 ________________________________ Message 59 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:50 PM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST In a message dated 11/14/2006 3:09:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, keith.ashcraft@itt.com writes: RECEIVED BY ME RECEIVED BY ME ________________________________ Message 60 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:01 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: off airport One idea no one has post: Why not look for a airstrip already developed with hangar -houses around... They can be found in almost all prices, I visited some in Texas that had grass strips and were not (very) expensive. Some on the other side, with concrete strips and remote electric entrance gate for the cars an lots of luxury... Just a comment, hope it helps. Saludos Gary Gower. Keith Ashcraft wrote: Hi John, One thing to do, as Robert has mentioned, is to check with the County. I live outside any city limits, so I follow the County rules. I was able to download them from the Colorado Counties web sites, and looked at their "land proposals/usage" section. Also, I have contacted the (2) neighbors close to me, 1/4 mile and farther, and have mentioned to them that I will perfrom my flights, No Earlier Than, 6:00am and No Later Than, 9:00pm. If I anticipate anytime outside of these hours, I will call them and give them a "heads up" and forwarn them in advance. Also, offering "free rides" should also be a plus to get the neighbors favor!! Good luck, Keith N 38.9947 W 105.1305 Alt. 9,100' ******************************************************************************* John . . . I am a land developer and own a 701 in progress. The first place to start is to go to the Town(ship) where you're interested in locating and ask the code enforcement officer in the building dept (or the head of the building dept.) if private air strips are permitted. Avoid the word "airport" - it sounds massive and noisy. I generally buy a copy of the code and verify his answer osk for copies of the pages which apply. Some towns if you go out far enough from metro areas don't even have building codes, and then you should be golden, but verification is still necessary. When selecting a piece of land if possible have it so the runway and the next 1000 ft. beyond (even if on the neighbor's land) isn't aligned with anyone's home, tall trees, high hills - anything that can kill you if you have an engine out on take off. If you can avoid flying over the neighbors on takeoff and landing, that is a big plus. Low flying planes over one's home make people nervous, especially if they aren't from the aviation community. If you want to discuss anything else, you can write me privately at hrs1@frontiernet.net. Good luck. Robert Schoenberger 701 john butterfield wrote: hi list thanks for the info on off airport landings. my actual intent was to build a 1,000 foot runway on some property i will buy in the sticks. guess i should check with the neighbors (if any) before i start. always been my dream to have a place "in the country" that i could visit and taxi up to my own hanger and walk to my abode. thanks again john butterfield 601XL corvair torrance, ca do not archive Want to start your own business? http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index -- ************************************* Keith Ashcraft 4 3 2004-01-06T20:01:00Z 2004-01-06T20:29:00Z 1 34 198 ITT Advanced Engineering & Sciences 1 1 243 9.3821 Print 150 ************************************* Keith Ashcraft ITT Industries Advanced Engineering & Sciences 5009 Centennial Blvd. Colorado Springs, CO 80919 (719) 599-1787 -- work (719) 332-4364 -- cell keith.ashcraft@itt.com ************************************ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT, Inc. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. ************************************ --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $510,000 Mortgage for $1,698/mo - Calculate new house payment ________________________________ Message 61 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:12 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: off airport Hello Ben, Thats high!!! never thought there were areas in USA that high, not considering Alaska... Saludos Gary Gower. do not archive. "n801bh@netzero.com" wrote: I built a private airstrip on a ranch I own out here in Wyoming. I live in Jackson Hole and ol N801BH spends most of its time up here. My ranch is 38 air miles and 102 driving miles from home. All I needed was to petition the county for a conditional use permit, 25.00$ and three readings from the planning board and three readings from the commision. On the very last hearing there was five items on the agenda, mine was last. So I sat there and when the first four were processed there was still six people left in the audiance,,,,, I thought to myself. oh geez a bunch of "not on my backyard" people.... Believe it or not all six were in favor of it cause they were all pilots and I had requested the FAA to chart it for someone to use in case of an emergency.. Denver FAA wanted to know what I was going to call it so of course I replied " Haas International"... It is in most databases using the identifier 2WY3. The good news is it is 3000' long,,, the bad news is it is located at 7960 MSL. Which really isn't bad for my fire breathing 801. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- john butterfield wrote: hi list thanks for the info on off airport landings. my actual intent was to build a 1,000 foot runway on some property i will buy in the sticks. guess i should check with the neighbors (if any) before i start. always been my dream to have a place "in the country" that i could visit and taxi up to my own hanger and walk to my abode. thanks again john butterfield 601XL corvair torrance, ca do not archive Want to start your own business? http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index ======================== -- Please Support Your Listsp; (And Get Some AWESOME&nbsnbsp;the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click&n this year's Terrific Free Incentive Giftsnbsp; * The Builder's Bookstore www --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution _nbsp; -Matt&n================================================ Use the Matronics List Features Navigator;Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse,&n============================================= --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $310,000 Mortgage for $999/mo - Calculate new house payment ________________________________ Message 62 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:04 PM PST US From: "Bob Tezyk" Subject: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? Matt, I am building my workbench frame out of 1.5" square steel tube. I plan to use some all-thread in each leg to create jackstands. The jackstands will lift the wheels off of the ground and will allow me to level the table no matter how uneven the floor. At the suggestion of Jay in Dallas, I am going to build the table low and provide enough range in the jackstands to bring it up to a normal height. It will allow me to run it high for wings and keep it low for working on the fuselage when it is in the "Boat" stage. I will post pictures in my gallery as it comes together. Regards, Bob Tezyk Midlothian, TX 601XL / 3300 On Order Delivery Jan 19, 2007, Preparing hangar for the build. bob@eaglesnestestates.org http://neo.datamatrix.com/eaglesnestestates/index.php?option=com_rsgall ery2&Itemid=28&catid=23 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Time: 06:54:02 PM PST US From: "Matt Stecher" Subject: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? I have searched the archives and could not find an answer to my question so I thought that I would ask the folks that know. I am building my workbench and would like to put it on wheels so that I can easily move it out of the way when not in use. But I am not sure how easy it will be to keep it true. I am also hoping to get away with only building a 10 foot bench, that space problem again. Has anyone had any luck with either one? By the way how was the WW College? Thanks, Matt in Katy XL Tail and Corvair +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++