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0. 04:53 AM - LOC (Matt Dralle)
1. 05:33 AM - Re: [spam] Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (ernie)
2. 06:00 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun BBQ (Juan Vega)
3. 06:47 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun BBQ (Jim Hoak)
4. 06:50 AM - Re: [spam] Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (Larry Winger)
5. 07:22 AM - Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (Dave Ruddiman)
6. 09:22 AM - Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums (lgingell)
7. 09:52 AM - Re: TEST ()
8. 10:27 AM - Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (Keith Ashcraft)
9. 12:22 PM - Re: TEST (Dave Johnson)
10. 12:52 PM - Re: 701 amphibous floats (raymondj)
11. 01:28 PM - Re: 701 amphibous floats (MacDonald Doug)
12. 01:36 PM - Re: 701 amphibous floats (Roger Roy)
13. 01:57 PM - Re: TEST (robert stone)
14. 02:06 PM - Re: TEST (Juan Vega)
15. 02:10 PM - Re: Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums (Juan Vega)
16. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums (Juan Vega)
17. 03:28 PM - SOS (Bill Naumuk)
18. 03:49 PM - Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (Dave Ruddiman)
19. 03:57 PM - Re: TEST (Dave Ruddiman)
20. 04:01 PM - Re: SOS (Bill Naumuk)
21. 04:37 PM - Robert Stone's Outrageous e-mail (DICK WILBERS)
22. 04:49 PM - Re: 701 amphibious floats (raymondj)
23. 05:16 PM - Re: Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums (Craig Payne)
24. 06:49 PM - Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (Ron Lendon)
25. 07:36 PM - Re: Robert Stone's Outrageous e-mail (Steve Hulland)
26. 07:41 PM - Fiberglass parts. (Dave Ruddiman)
27. 07:49 PM - Re: 701 amphibious floats (MacDonald Doug)
28. 08:17 PM - Installation of Garmin GTX327 transponder (phd1993)
29. 08:44 PM - Re: Robert Stone's Outrageous e-mail and pic of the day (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
30. 08:49 PM - Wanted! Tires & Tubes for my CH-701 (James Sagerser)
31. 09:13 PM - Re: Wanted! Tires & Tubes for my CH-701 (Dave Ruddiman)
32. 09:39 PM - Re: Installation of Garmin GTX327 transponder (Craig Payne)
33. 10:21 PM - Re: Robert Stone's Outrageous e-mail and pic of the day (TxDave)
34. 11:39 PM - Re: 701 amphibious floats (raymondj)
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Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort
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Subject: | Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? |
List,
I did the same type of construction using the example on
http://www.liming.org/ch801/
http://www.liming.org/ch801/table.html
I am really thought that these beams were over kill, but now I am wondering.
Has anyone else who built this type of table, found that they need to
reinforce because of
sagging?
Ernie
On 11/14/06, Les Goldner <lgold@quantum-associates.com> wrote:
>
> lgold@quantum-associates.com>
>
> Matt,
> I built a 12'x4' work table using 3 12' long 2"x10" wood beams, braced
> them,
> and put it on strong wheels. Problem is my floor is not all that flat and
> I
> had to spend a few hours shimming up the table whenever I moved it. Also
> noticed that the beams were not rigid enough and the table did not stay
> all
> that flat. The middle sagged about 1/8" and I had to add legs in the
> middle
> of the table.
>
> As to making the table smaller, My 701 wings could probably been made on a
> 10'x3' table as long as you don't skimp on the 2"x2" metal beams used to
> support the work.
> Regards,
> Les
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > Matt Stecher
> > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:53 PM
> > To: Zenith-List@Matronics.Com
> > Subject: [spam] Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ??
> >
> > --> <mrcc1234@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> > I have searched the archives and could not find an answer to
> > my question so I thought that I would ask the folks that know.
> >
> > I am building my workbench and would like to put it on wheels
> > so that I can easily move it out of the way when not in use.
> > But I am not sure how easy it will be to keep it true.
> >
> > I am also hoping to get away with only building a 10 foot
> > bench, that space problem again.
> >
> > Has anyone had any luck with either one?
> >
> > By the way how was the WW College?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Matt in Katy
> > XL Tail and Corvair
> >
> >
> > Photoshare, and much much more:
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun BBQ |
All,
if you are expecting 80 plus people, pigs are out as you will need at least 120lbs
worth (they shrink). CHicken is easy. ONe option is to hire a group with
a Bar BQ roaster, order the food and let them cook it. We do it for our neighborhood
here in St. Petersburg. 75 people on average, and everyone pays for
the dinner.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Zodie Rocket <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
>Sent: Nov 14, 2006 11:27 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com, 701builders@yahoogroups.com, 801BUILDERS@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Sun-N-Fun BBQ
>
>Well believe it or not this is the time of year that I start planning
>the BBQ for Sun-N-Fun. It takes me awhile to tie up all the loose ends
>so that I have as little as possible to do during the show. As most of
>you know I started this event as a builder just wanting to share a good
>evening with other builders, but it has become somewhat of a monster
>from day one, with the first year having over 80 people in attendance. I
>don?t mind at all either, I cover all costs for the BBQ and put out a
>donation jar, so far I have broken even with donations from each of you
>and from Jabiru USA, homebuilthelp.com and of course Jim at
>sportplanes.com ( my heartfelt condolences goes out to his family) also
>kicking in is Flightcrafters. However, I do not accept a donation from
>Zenith or any of the Heintz family I?m just happy that they have chosen
>to attend every year since this event is not affiliated with the
>company,. Well it was never supposed to be, but as Can-Zac now I can
>hardly say there is not company involvement. The first year we have dogs
>and burgers with many people bringing dessert and salads ( don?t forget
>the strawberries), last year we had dogs and burgers with chicken wings
>and roasted corn. The pop went too fast and 250 plates disappeared real
>fast. Flightcrafters brought a massive cake and the strawberries were
>there again. But what I need from you folks are idea?s on what was good
>and what was bad? Do you want to see more of something? I tossed up the
>idea of a pig roast, but that is a hell of a lot of work for a Canadian
>to pull off. So I?m open for suggestions. I would also like the chance
>to firm up some salads and desserts this year so that everyone has a
>full belly.
>
>Just a final word, all this is possible with the Generous help From Rick
>Roberts and his crew. Though Rick now lives in Georgia his crew are
>still in Florida and are willing to help out with the BBQ,s and all the
>cooking, which for two guys not in the aviation world is beyond gracious
>and I can never say Thanks enough to those gents. The campsite will
>remain the same as last year and is held for us by Jim Hoak. Remember
>folks this is for you folks to meet other people of like interests, lets
>see how big we can make it in April 19 2007
>
>Mark Townsend
>Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
>HYPERLINK
>"mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com
>HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com
>
>
>
>--
>11/14/2006
>
>
>--
>No virus found in this outgoing message.
>11/14/2006
>
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Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun BBQ |
Mark,
I'm planning to take my Travel Trailer and camp in the campground again
this year and if possible in the same location. Also I'll do my best to
"HOARD" enough space again. That is the hardest part because space for
campers gets critical and the "Campground Cops" always come by and
question us about the large open area next to my camper. I recruit one
or more of my workshop volunteers and friends to put their gear in the
area with "LEGAL" stickers then move them at the last minute to make
space. It worked.
Long story short, I hope CAN-ZAC, Rick and all are able to make it work
again. Remember, as a backup, I can always get a place down next to the
pond at Gene and Debby Jacksons "BIG" tent. They "DO" roast a BIG PIG
every year for hundreds of folks. Debby is now one of the volunteers in
my Metal Workshop.
I think salads would be great. However I sure don't have enough space in
my camper refrigerator for them though. They would have to be delivered
"just in time" to make it work.
Jim Hoak
----- Original Message -----
From: Zodie Rocket
To: zenith-list@matronics.com ; 701builders@yahoogroups.com ;
801BUILDERS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:27 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Sun-N-Fun BBQ
Well believe it or not this is the time of year that I start planning
the BBQ for Sun-N-Fun. It takes me awhile to tie up all the loose ends
so that I have as little as possible to do during the show. As most of
you know I started this event as a builder just wanting to share a good
evening with other builders, but it has become somewhat of a monster
from day one, with the first year having over 80 people in attendance. I
don=92t mind at all either, I cover all costs for the BBQ and put out a
donation jar, so far I have broken even with donations from each of you
and from Jabiru USA, homebuilthelp.com and of course Jim at
sportplanes.com ( my heartfelt condolences goes out to his family) also
kicking in is Flightcrafters. However, I do not accept a donation from
Zenith or any of the Heintz family I=92m just happy that they have
chosen to attend every year since this event is not affiliated with the
company,. Well it was never supposed to be, but as Can-Zac now I can
hardly say there is not company involvement. The first year we have dogs
and burgers with many people bringing dessert and salads ( don=92t
forget the strawberries), last year we had dogs and burgers with chicken
wings and roasted corn. The pop went too fast and 250 plates disappeared
real fast. Flightcrafters brought a massive cake and the strawberries
were there again. But what I need from you folks are idea=92s on what
was good and what was bad? Do you want to see more of something? I
tossed up the idea of a pig roast, but that is a hell of a lot of work
for a Canadian to pull off. So I=92m open for suggestions. I would also
like the chance to firm up some salads and desserts this year so that
everyone has a full belly.
Just a final word, all this is possible with the Generous help From
Rick Roberts and his crew. Though Rick now lives in Georgia his crew are
still in Florida and are willing to help out with the BBQ,s and all the
cooking, which for two guys not in the aviation world is beyond gracious
and I can never say Thanks enough to those gents. The campsite will
remain the same as last year and is held for us by Jim Hoak. Remember
folks this is for you folks to meet other people of like interests, lets
see how big we can make it in April 19 2007
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
--
11/14/2006
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11/14/2006
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Subject: | Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? |
So far so good. I did put two layers of 3/4" material on top (plywood and
MDF) which also contributed to the ridigity.
Larry Winger
On 11/15/06, ernie <ernieth@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> List,
>
> I did the same type of construction using the example on
> http://www.liming.org/ch801/
> http://www.liming.org/ch801/table.html
>
> I am really thought that these beams were over kill, but now I am
> wondering.
>
> Has anyone else who built this type of table, found that they need to
> reinforce because of
> sagging?
>
> Ernie
>
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Subject: | Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? |
Matt,
My current table is 32" at the top which is a perfect height for me. I'm
about 5'8" tall. My previous one was 36" which was way to tall for me.
The right height really makes a difference. Not sure what I will do when
I start the fuselage. Should be OK except I won't be able to put the
vertical stab on. Since it's around 10' to the top it won't even fit in
the shop.
Dave in Salem
801-finishing the right wing
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Tezyk
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:38 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ??
Matt,
I am building my workbench frame out of 1.5" square steel tube. I
plan to use some all-thread in each leg to create jackstands. The
jackstands will lift the wheels off of the ground and will allow me to
level the table no matter how uneven the floor. At the suggestion of
Jay in Dallas, I am going to build the table low and provide enough
range in the jackstands to bring it up to a normal height. It will
allow me to run it high for wings and keep it low for working on the
fuselage when it is in the "Boat" stage. I will post pictures in my
gallery as it comes together.
Regards,
Bob Tezyk
Midlothian, TX
601XL / 3300 On Order
Delivery Jan 19, 2007, Preparing hangar for the build.
bob@eaglesnestestates.org
http://neo.datamatrix.com/eaglesnestestates/index.php?option=com_rsgall
ery2&Itemid=28&catid=23
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Time: 06:54:02 PM PST US
From: "Matt Stecher" <mrcc1234@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ??
I have searched the archives and could not find an answer to my
question so
I thought that I would ask the folks that know.
I am building my workbench and would like to put it on wheels so that
I can
easily move it out of the way when not in use. But I am not sure how
easy
it will be to keep it true.
I am also hoping to get away with only building a 10 foot bench, that
space
problem again.
Has anyone had any luck with either one?
By the way how was the WW College?
Thanks,
Matt in Katy
XL Tail and Corvair
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Subject: | Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums |
That AOPA forum chat is a bit different from this report:
http://www.aero-news.net/news/genav.cfm?ContentBlockID=9cf4d74f-9ee1-4857-80d1-f8c8918181fa&Dynamic=1
--------
Zodiac XL/Jab 3300
http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74806#74806
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To all listers who care,
It have been brought to my attention that the now famous chewing out email form
Bob Stone to John Starn was sent off list to John and only then did John choose
to post it to the list in general.
Therefore I apologize to Bob Stone and retract my suggestion that he owes the list
an apology. I still believe it was an unnecesarly bit of unpleasantness (much
like the War Between the States), but I believe that Irish diplomacy is the
better tool in this venue. There are ways to tell a person to "Go to Hell" in
such a way that they may actually look forward to the trip.
As to the flagrant indiscretion visited upon this peaceful sovereign email list,
the following disciplinary action will be taken regarding John Starn (AKA Kabong)
:
It is hereby decreed (A) that Kabong will be issued 25 demerits and
(B) said Kabong will be required to remain indoors during all recess periods for
the balance of the week, and
(C) as community service, Kabong will identify and delete all emails which mention
the dreaded Green Sctotchbrite for a perion of one month commencing today.
Ed Moody II
Rayne, LA
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Subject: | Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? |
Dave,
The way I built my bench, was that when I work in the fuselage, I can
install the shorter, pre-drilled legs, (approx 18" tall), that will
bring the whole fuselage down to my 5'-8" working height.
Some pictures of my bench is at www.geocities.com/ch701builder (Only the
shop section is done at this time on the web site)
Keith
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100' (see Gary, some of us live at a higher altitude, than most
Zeniths will probably fly, Average elevation of U.S. is around
2700'-2800') (I think)
***********************************************************************************************************
Dave Ruddiman wrote:
> Matt,
>
> My current table is 32" at the top which is a perfect height for me.
> I'm about 5'8" tall. My previous one was 36" which was way to tall for
> me. The right height really makes a difference. Not sure what I will
> do when I start the fuselage. Should be OK except I won't be able to
> put the vertical stab on. Since it's around 10' to the top it won't
> even fit in the shop.
>
> Dave in Salem
> 801-finishing the right wing
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Bob Tezyk <mailto:bob@eaglesnestestates.org>
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com <mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:38 PM
> *Subject:* Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ??
>
> Matt,
>
> I am building my workbench frame out of 1.5" square steel tube. I
> plan to use some all-thread in each leg to create jackstands. The
> jackstands will lift the wheels off of the ground and will allow
> me to level the table no matter how uneven the floor. At the
> suggestion of Jay in Dallas, I am going to build the table low and
> provide enough range in the jackstands to bring it up to a normal
> height. It will allow me to run it high for wings and keep it low
> for working on the fuselage when it is in the "Boat" stage. I
> will post pictures in my gallery as it comes together.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob Tezyk
> Midlothian, TX
> 601XL / 3300 On Order
> Delivery Jan 19, 2007, Preparing hangar for the build.
> bob@eaglesnestestates.org <mailto:bob@eaglesnestestates.org>
> http://neo.datamatrix.com/eaglesnestestates/index.php?option=com_rsgallery2&Itemid=28&catid=23
> <http://neo.datamatrix.com/eaglesnestestates/index.php?option=com_rsgallery2&Itemid=28&catid=23>
>
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Time: 06:54:02 PM PST US
> From: "Matt Stecher" <mrcc1234@sbcglobal.net
> <mailto:mrcc1234@sbcglobal.net>>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ??
>
>
> I have searched the archives and could not find an answer to my
> question so
> I thought that I would ask the folks that know.
>
> I am building my workbench and would like to put it on wheels so
> that I can
> easily move it out of the way when not in use. But I am not sure
> how easy
> it will be to keep it true.
>
> I am also hoping to get away with only building a 10 foot bench,
> that space
> problem again.
>
> Has anyone had any luck with either one?
>
> By the way how was the WW College?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt in Katy
> XL Tail and Corvair
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Got here O.K.
Dave Johnson
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: robert stone
To: Zenith List
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 2:51 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: TEST
List Members,
I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am
doubting weather my posts ever got out and were read by anyone. Please
respond to this test message by a simple
RECEIVED BY ME
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx.
ZodiacXL
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Subject: | 701 amphibous floats |
Greetings Bill of G.
I have been looking for plans for metal floats in the 1500 lb range and
have found very little. If you could site any of the magazines or articles
you mention I would very much appreciate it.
Thanks,
Ray J.
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:31 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 amphibous floats
Lane, I have built a XL and have seen photos of 701s with different style
floats so they are available. Also, I have seen several pair in the last few
months for sale in the Trades. Probably save some money there. Also, in the
various magazines over the past years I have seen articles about building
your own floats. If you can build an airplane, a couple floats should be a
snap. Check the archives. I'll bet you find something. Best regards, Bill of
Georgia
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Subject: | 701 amphibous floats |
Ray, I haven't seen any amphib plans anywhere but WAG
Aero sell plans for the North Aire series of floats.
They can be built from 1100# up to 1500# I believe by
adding an extra compartment.
I have a set of plans for them but have not looked at
them in detail for a while. Seems to me the plans
only cost around $90.00 or so.
As for amphibs, you might be able to modify them to
work as amphibs. This is what I am thinking of trying
if Zenith (CAN-ZAC) decides to only produce completed
floats.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch builder
Working on Cabin.
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Subject: | Re: 701 amphibous floats |
If anyone is interested in a pair of Avid 1100 Amphibious (Fiberglass)
White gel coated, excellent condition I can put you in touch with the
owner. I do know that he had them on for one season but removed them
because he said it got lonely sitting in the middle of the lake with no
one to talk to. If interested let me know. I'm sure he would send
pictures
RJ
Do not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: raymondj<mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:51 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 701 amphibous floats
Greetings Bill of G.
I have been looking for plans for metal floats in the 1500 lb
range and have found very little. If you could site any of the magazines
or articles you mention I would very much appreciate it.
Thanks,
Ray J.
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@ma
tronics.com> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:31 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 amphibous floats
Lane, I have built a XL and have seen photos of 701s with different
style floats so they are available. Also, I have seen several pair in
the last few months for sale in the Trades. Probably save some money
there. Also, in the various magazines over the past years I have seen
articles about building your own floats. If you can build an airplane, a
couple floats should be a snap. Check the archives. I'll bet you find
something. Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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Dave,
Thanks for the response.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Johnson
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST
Got here O.K.
Dave Johnson
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----- Original Message -----
From: robert stone
To: Zenith List
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 2:51 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: TEST
List Members,
I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am
doubting weather my posts ever got out and were read by anyone. Please
respond to this test message by a simple
RECEIVED BY ME
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx.
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I hath recieveth!
Juan Vega
-----Original Message-----
>From: robert stone <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
>Sent: Nov 15, 2006 4:56 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST
>
>Dave,
> Thanks for the response.
>
>Bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave Johnson
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST
>
>
> Got here O.K.
>
> Dave Johnson
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: robert stone
> To: Zenith List
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 2:51 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: TEST
>
>
> List Members,
> I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am doubting
weather my posts ever got out and were read by anyone. Please respond to this
test message by a simple
> RECEIVED BY ME
>
> Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx.
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Subject: | Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums |
Lance,
do you have a scematic for your Fuel system? I sure could use some good pictures
for reference.
-----Original Message-----
>From: lgingell <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
>Sent: Nov 15, 2006 12:20 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums
>
>
>That AOPA forum chat is a bit different from this report:
>
>http://www.aero-news.net/news/genav.cfm?ContentBlockID=9cf4d74f-9ee1-4857-80d1-f8c8918181fa&Dynamic=1
>
>--------
>Zodiac XL/Jab 3300
>http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74806#74806
>
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Subject: | Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums |
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Lance,
My emial is amyvega205@earthlink.net for the pictures,
Thanx
-----Original Message-----
>From: lgingell <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
>Sent: Nov 15, 2006 12:20 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums
>
>
>That AOPA forum chat is a bit different from this report:
>
>http://www.aero-news.net/news/genav.cfm?ContentBlockID=9cf4d74f-9ee1-4857-80d1-f8c8918181fa&Dynamic=1
>
>--------
>Zodiac XL/Jab 3300
>http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74806#74806
>
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Considering the recent strings, nothing has changed. About all
anyone can do is hope they contact a few reliable resources of
information or get some fresh ideas while plowing through the muck.
Sometimes it takes multiple postings to come up with a solution that
works in your situation, sometimes you never find one.
The process is what sucks. You either get an answer and a long term
e-mail partner, or flamed and vilified by the list "Community" as a
whole and a negative string that lasts for weeks. C'est la vie.
My first progress report on Nuvite F9 is that I ordered it via
e-mail from Nuvite Sunday and expected to see it today. Nuvite is based
only 1 state away from me. No joy. Will let you all know how it works vs
G6 when I actually get some.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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Subject: | Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? |
Keith,
Looks like you could build half a plane in the time it takes just to get
your shop ready. Lots of work. I would probably die of altitude sickness
at your house. It's about 200' MSL around here.
Dave in Salem
Willamette Valley flat lands.
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Ashcraft
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ??
Dave,
The way I built my bench, was that when I work in the fuselage, I can
install the shorter, pre-drilled legs, (approx 18" tall), that will
bring the whole fuselage down to my 5'-8" working height.
Some pictures of my bench is at www.geocities.com/ch701builder (Only
the shop section is done at this time on the web site)
Keith
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100' (see Gary, some of us live at a higher altitude, than most
Zeniths will probably fly, Average elevation of U.S. is around
2700'-2800') (I think)
*************************************************************************
**********************************
Dave Ruddiman wrote:
Matt,
My current table is 32" at the top which is a perfect height for me.
I'm about 5'8" tall. My previous one was 36" which was way to tall for
me. The right height really makes a difference. Not sure what I will do
when I start the fuselage. Should be OK except I won't be able to put
the vertical stab on. Since it's around 10' to the top it won't even fit
in the shop.
Dave in Salem
801-finishing the right wing
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Tezyk
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:38 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ??
Matt,
I am building my workbench frame out of 1.5" square steel tube. I
plan to use some all-thread in each leg to create jackstands. The
jackstands will lift the wheels off of the ground and will allow me to
level the table no matter how uneven the floor. At the suggestion of
Jay in Dallas, I am going to build the table low and provide enough
range in the jackstands to bring it up to a normal height. It will
allow me to run it high for wings and keep it low for working on the
fuselage when it is in the "Boat" stage. I will post pictures in my
gallery as it comes together.
Regards,
Bob Tezyk
Midlothian, TX
601XL / 3300 On Order
Delivery Jan 19, 2007, Preparing hangar for the build.
bob@eaglesnestestates.org
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ery2&Itemid=28&catid=23
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Time: 06:54:02 PM PST US
From: "Matt Stecher" <mrcc1234@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ??
I have searched the archives and could not find an answer to my
question so
I thought that I would ask the folks that know.
I am building my workbench and would like to put it on wheels so
that I can
easily move it out of the way when not in use. But I am not sure
how easy
it will be to keep it true.
I am also hoping to get away with only building a 10 foot bench,
that space
problem again.
Has anyone had any luck with either one?
By the way how was the WW College?
Thanks,
Matt in Katy
XL Tail and Corvair
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That can happen when you don't get your nap. Now we can return to our
regular programming. Not as entertaining, but...............
----- Original Message -----
From: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST
>
> To all listers who care,
>
> It have been brought to my attention that the now famous chewing out email
> form Bob Stone to John Starn was sent off list to John and only then did
> John choose to post it to the list in general.
>
> Therefore I apologize to Bob Stone and retract my suggestion that he owes
> the list an apology. I still believe it was an unnecesarly bit of
> unpleasantness (much like the War Between the States), but I believe that
> Irish diplomacy is the better tool in this venue. There are ways to tell a
> person to "Go to Hell" in such a way that they may actually look forward
> to the trip.
>
> As to the flagrant indiscretion visited upon this peaceful sovereign email
> list, the following disciplinary action will be taken regarding John Starn
> (AKA Kabong) :
>
> It is hereby decreed (A) that Kabong will be issued 25 demerits and
>
> (B) said Kabong will be required to remain indoors during all recess
> periods for the balance of the week, and
>
> (C) as community service, Kabong will identify and delete all emails which
> mention the dreaded Green Sctotchbrite for a perion of one month
> commencing today.
>
> Ed Moody II
> Rayne, LA
> Do Not Archive
> Do Not Cuss Out Other Listers (even privately)
>
>
>
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I also forget to include my attachments at work, too!!
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:26 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: SOS
Considering the recent strings, nothing has changed. About all
anyone can do is hope they contact a few reliable resources of
information or get some fresh ideas while plowing through the muck.
Sometimes it takes multiple postings to come up with a solution that
works in your situation, sometimes you never find one.
The process is what sucks. You either get an answer and a long
term e-mail partner, or flamed and vilified by the list "Community" as a
whole and a negative string that lasts for weeks. C'est la vie.
My first progress report on Nuvite F9 is that I ordered it via
e-mail from Nuvite Sunday and expected to see it today. Nuvite is based
only 1 state away from me. No joy. Will let you all know how it works vs
G6 when I actually get some.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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Subject: | Robert Stone's Outrageous e-mail |
I demand that Robert Stone remove himself from the Zenith list. The
language he used is totally inappropriate and has no place here. I am
surprised that a person would react that vehemently to email that is not to
his liking. I believe that he has a sever cranial problem.
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
dredmoody@cox.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Zenith-List: TEST
Bob, I have to tell you, that chewing out was way uncalled for and over the
top. Another lister had declined to take time to help you because of the way
you teed off on somebody a while back to the effect of "mind your own damn
business" or something similar.
I had just replied to his email and asked that he reconsider because we are
on this list to help one another when your email tongue lashing hit the
server. That sort of behavior is not going to encourage anyone to reach out
to help when you ask. Where's all that anger coming from? Is it Touret's
Syndrome?
This list is no place for that kind of stuff. An apology to Kabong and the
rest of the list in general is definitely in order here. Short of that, you
may as well unsubscribe because nobody is going to want to bother with
helping you. Most of us have wives and can get chewed out anytime we want
without logging onto the internet.
Ed Moody II
Do Not Archive
Do Not Go Postal on this List
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: robert stone
> To: jhstarn@verizon.net
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST
>
>
> John Stern,
> You are the kind of moron that causes a lot of people with valuable
information to leave the list so they will not have to put up with bull shit
from a fucking ass hole like you. You can kiss my ass you fucking moron son
-of a bitch. Don't bother to respond because any message I see from you
will be deleted un-read.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: JOHN STARN
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST
>
>
> Test ?, what test ?, How can I respond to a test that does not include
at least one Do Not Archive. This test was "received by me" via the list &
trimmed by me too. KABONG 8*)
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Subject: | 701 amphibious floats |
Are these plans for metal of composite floats? I looked at their website and
they don't say.
Thanks for the info.
Ray
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of MacDonald
Doug
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:26 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 701 amphibous floats
Ray, I haven't seen any amphib plans anywhere but WAG
Aero sell plans for the North Aire series of floats.
They can be built from 1100# up to 1500# I believe by
adding an extra compartment.
I have a set of plans for them but have not looked at
them in detail for a while. Seems to me the plans
only cost around $90.00 or so.
As for amphibs, you might be able to modify them to
work as amphibs. This is what I am thinking of trying
if Zenith (CAN-ZAC) decides to only produce completed
floats.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch builder
Working on Cabin.
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Subject: | Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums |
I have a few pictures of the plumbing of Lance's plane on the pilot's side
of the firewall if he doesn't.
-- Craig
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Subject: | Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? |
I don't have wheels but I did follow these plans and have a flat strong table 12'
long & 4' wide. I have scratch built the tail feathers, flaps ailerons and
wing spars on it. The rivets were set using a hammer on the table and a one
ton arbor press. The table did move 4" during the riveting but when put back
in place it is still flat and strong.
Here is the link to the table plans:
I did follow the plans with one deviation, I used a joiner to plane the 12' and
4' beams after they were assembled.
Recommended
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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Subject: | Re: Robert Stone's Outrageous e-mail |
Bob Stone,
Please advise when you are leaving this list. Your attitude and language has
no place here or anywhere in the aviation circles I have traveled in during
these past 48 years. I am considering leaving myself if this kind of stuff
continues.
--
Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 600 Taildragger
Amado, AZ
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Subject: | Fiberglass parts. |
Does anyone know if the fiberglass parts supplied by ZAC are polyester
or epoxy resin?
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Subject: | 701 amphibious floats |
The Wag Aero Floats are Aluminum. They were
originally designed in the sixties I think.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch builder
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Subject: | Installation of Garmin GTX327 transponder |
Trying to install GTX327 in my 701 - when I power-up the transponder all I get
is the background illuminated with no other text or indications. I do not have
either the altitude encoder (Ameri-King 350) or antenna connected. Should
I expect to see something more displayed upon power-up? Power-up while holding
FUNC button?
Thanks,
Sam H.
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Subject: | Re: Robert Stone's Outrageous e-mail and pic of the day |
Like sands through the hour glass these are the days of our list......... We
need a list of only approved members so all the builders that are won't be
bothered with the builders that never will.
Jeff
601 XL Plans Built
avionics
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Subject: | Wanted! Tires & Tubes for my CH-701 |
Would like to purchase a set of 8.50-6 tires and tubes or 6.00-6 tubes
for my CH-701. Please call Jim @480-766-0003 or e-mail to
alaskajim@cox.net. Have a good day!
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Subject: | Re: Wanted! Tires & Tubes for my CH-701 |
James,
If you happen to come up with an extra set of 8.50's, I am also looking for
some.
Dave in Salem
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Sagerser" <alaskajim@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:48 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Wanted! Tires & Tubes for my CH-701
>
> Would like to purchase a set of 8.50-6 tires and tubes or 6.00-6 tubes for
> my CH-701. Please call Jim @480-766-0003 or e-mail to alaskajim@cox.net.
> Have a good day!
>
>
>
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Subject: | Installation of Garmin GTX327 transponder |
I assume you have the installation manual. If not I can e-mail it to you.
Looking at the pin-out of the DB25 connector I see power being fed in to pin
15. But I also see pin 1 labeled as "Avionics Master On". Is it possible
that the unit won't power on unless it sees 12 volts on pin 1? Likewise what
do you have connected to pin 16 (external standby) or pin 22 (airborn sense
- squat switch). Some of these may inhibit the unit.
Also are you grounding both pins 13 and 25? Shouldn't matter but probably
the best practice. It would spread current across two pins instead of one.
You may get more answers on the aeroelectric list.
BTW: although a transponder won't transmit until it is interrogated and I
don't see any specific warnings in the manual I still wouldn't operate a
transmitter with out the proper antenna load connected. This is one
expensive box.
-- Craig
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Subject: | Re: Robert Stone's Outrageous e-mail and pic of the day |
I am certainly not trying to excuse Bob's "outrageous email". I know Bob personally
and don't know what made him so angry. Yes, his language and tone were totally
inappropriate.
Bob is a 72 year old retired Air Force veteran. He has built a KR-1 and a KR-2
and recently sold his beautiful Cessna 152, deciding to go the sport pilot route.
He is active in the EAA Young Eagles program and volunteers at local air shows
and fly-ins. He is currently having an A&P mechanic help him build a 601XL
quickbuild kit which should be flying before year's end.
Like I said before, I am not defendeing Bob's behavior. So please, don't get angry
at me. However, it is also inappropriate to make assumptions about someone
you have never met and post them on this list. Bob IS a builder and will be flying
his 601XL long before most of us. Here's a picture of the man himself.
do not archive
Dave Clay
Temple, TX
601XL plans built
finishing right wing
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Subject: | 701 amphibious floats |
Doug,
Thanks for the info. I just ordered a set.
Later,
Ray J
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of MacDonald
Doug
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:49 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 701 amphibious floats
The Wag Aero Floats are Aluminum. They were
originally designed in the sixties I think.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch builder
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