---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/16/06: 56 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:59 AM - Re: Re: Robert Stone's Outrageous e-mail and pic of the day (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 2. 12:59 AM - Re: Installation of Garmin GTX327 transponder (secatur) 3. 02:43 AM - Re: Wanted! Tires & Tubes for my CH-701 (Zodie Rocket) 4. 05:43 AM - mount (Bill Flick) 5. 05:43 AM - Fuel pump - gascolator (VideoFlyer@aol.com) 6. 06:08 AM - Re: Fuel pump - gascolator (Jonathan Starke) 7. 06:12 AM - Re: Fiberglass parts. (LarryMcFarland) 8. 06:15 AM - Re: Fuel pump - gascolator () 9. 06:34 AM - Re: Re: Robert Stone's Outrageous e-mail and pic of the day (Steve Hulland) 10. 06:44 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 35 Msgs - 11/15/06 (Robert W Rauscher) 11. 06:53 AM - Re: Fuel pump - gascolator (Gig Giacona) 12. 06:58 AM - Re: Fuel pump - gascolator () 13. 07:03 AM - Re: Fiberglass parts. (LRM) 14. 07:30 AM - Re: Fuel pump - gascolator (Dave Austin) 15. 07:30 AM - Re: 701 amphibous floats (JAPhillipsGA@AOL.COM) 16. 07:43 AM - Re: Re: Fuel pump - gascolator () 17. 08:02 AM - Re: Re: Fuel pump - gascolator (Jack Russell) 18. 08:12 AM - Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums (lgingell) 19. 08:16 AM - 701 Floats (Stanley Challgren) 20. 09:12 AM - Re: Re: Fuel pump - gascolator (Paul Mulwitz) 21. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: Fuel pump - gascolator (Charles Wacker) 22. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: Fuel pump - gascolator (Jack Russell) 23. 10:45 AM - Re: Fuel pump - gascolator (Tim Juhl) 24. 11:03 AM - CH701 CFI needed (Ken Arnold) 25. 11:18 AM - CH701's and CH2000's to be built in China??? (PatrickW) 26. 11:26 AM - Re: CH701's and CH2000's to be built in China??? (NYTerminat@aol.com) 27. 11:37 AM - New thread, sticky subject () 28. 11:51 AM - Re: New thread, sticky subject () 29. 11:58 AM - Re: CH701's and CH2000's to be built in China??? () 30. 12:07 PM - Re: CH701's and CH2000's to be built in China??? (Paul Mulwitz) 31. 12:08 PM - Re: Fuel pump - gascolator (Craig Payne) 32. 12:14 PM - Re: New thread, sticky subject (george may) 33. 12:21 PM - Re: Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums (Juan Vega) 34. 12:28 PM - Re: New thread, sticky subject (Paul Mulwitz) 35. 12:29 PM - Re: Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums (Juan Vega) 36. 12:46 PM - Re: Re: Fuel pump - gascolator (Craig Payne) 37. 12:47 PM - Re: Fuel pump - gascolator (VideoFlyer@aol.com) 38. 01:11 PM - Re: Fiberglass parts. (AZFlyer) 39. 02:03 PM - Re: Fuel pump - gascolator (Gig Giacona) 40. 02:11 PM - Re: mount (Southern Reflections) 41. 02:21 PM - Re: Re: Fuel pump - gascolator (Craig Payne) 42. 03:07 PM - Re: Fuel pump - gascolator (Gary Gower) 43. 03:17 PM - Jabiru workshop video (Jon Croke) 44. 03:39 PM - Re: Fuel pump - gascolator (Zodie Rocket) 45. 03:46 PM - Re: CH701's and CH2000's to be built in China??? (Noel Loveys) 46. 03:50 PM - Odyssey PC625 battery dimensions? (Craig Payne) 47. 03:59 PM - 801 PROP (Dave Ruddiman) 48. 04:02 PM - Re: Fuel pump - gascolator (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 49. 04:03 PM - Re: Jabiru workshop video (PipercubDream@aol.com) 50. 04:17 PM - F9 (Bill Naumuk) 51. 04:56 PM - Re: Re: Fuel pump - gascolator (Gary Gower) 52. 05:08 PM - Re: Re: Fuel pump - gascolator (Gary Gower) 53. 05:42 PM - Re: New thread, sticky subject (Gary Gower) 54. 05:45 PM - Re: CH701's and CH2000's to be built in China??? (Gary Gower) 55. 05:49 PM - Re: Jabiru workshop video (Charles Wacker) 56. 08:59 PM - Re: New thread, sticky subject (ihab.awad@gmail.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:59:29 AM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Robert Stone's Outrageous e-mail and pic of the day I guess I miss spoke..... I should have said we need a special list for the people that know how to act builder or not how's that? do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:59:29 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Installation of Garmin GTX327 transponder From: "secatur" NEVER,EVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES...operate any Transmitter without antenna (or at least dummy load) attached....unless you got lotsa spare $$$$$ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74950#74950 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:11 AM PST US From: "Zodie Rocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wanted! Tires & Tubes for my CH-701 Hi Guys talk to Michael Heintz at Quality sport planes. His friend has been running the larger tires on his 701 for awhile and they were a great price. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ruddiman Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 12:13 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wanted! Tires & Tubes for my CH-701 James, If you happen to come up with an extra set of 8.50's, I am also looking for some. Dave in Salem ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Sagerser" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:48 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Wanted! Tires & Tubes for my CH-701 > > Would like to purchase a set of 8.50-6 tires and tubes or 6.00-6 tubes for > my CH-701. Please call Jim @480-766-0003 or e-mail to alaskajim@cox.net. > Have a good day! > > > -- 11/15/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 11/15/2006 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:23 AM PST US From: "Bill Flick" Subject: Zenith-List: mount looking for cowl and mount for subaru on my 601 HDS. thanks ralph ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:23 AM PST US From: VideoFlyer@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel pump - gascolator I'm mounting my wings and working on my fuel lines (601XL). I was going to put a fuel pump in each wing, right by the tank. But as I look at the whole situation, I'm wondering if it wouldn't easier, and more accessible, to put the Facet fuel pumps inside the cockpit. I know what they sound like....but once the engine is running, I think the click would be unnoticeable. I see installations where the fuel pump is on the firewall, and in the wing....why not in the cockpit? Is the noise the only reason? Also, can someone tell me the purpose of the gascolator? It's a fuel strainer (I already have two other filters in the system) and located properly, it's a good place to drain water from the system ( I can also do that at the tank). Other than these two redundant functions, is there some reason why a gascolator is necessary? Or is it a requirement for the FAA inspection? You can see where I'm going with this.....if it isn't really necessary, why put it in? Thanks for your help. I have learned so much from contributors to this list. It's great! Dave Harms videoflyer@aol.com 601XL/Corvair ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:08 AM PST US From: "Jonathan Starke" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel pump - gascolator Hi Dave, I did NOT fit the Gascolator - also thought is was silly Have two inline filters etc... Just drain the water from the tanks, so far no problems... I fitted the Facet pumps in the wings, next to the tank (Keep the line short etc....) was BAD idea, as my one pump has already stopped working, and because it is not convenient to make a hatch between two ribs that are so close, I didn't - now I have to remove the wing toi fix it... I am also thinking about putting the pumps in the cockpit. You CAN hear the pumps, when installen in the wings in any case, but not with the motor running, so I expect it to be the same! Have flow and taken off without the pumps at all, and no problems, but feel if I have a blocked line/fuel filter, the pumps would save the day! 601XL 47Hrs on the clock and counting (Lovingit!) Jonathan Starke _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of VideoFlyer@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 3:42 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel pump - gascolator I'm mounting my wings and working on my fuel lines (601XL). I was going to put a fuel pump in each wing, right by the tank. But as I look at the whole situation, I'm wondering if it wouldn't easier, and more accessible, to put the Facet fuel pumps inside the cockpit. I know what they sound like....but once the engine is running, I think the click would be unnoticeable. I see installations where the fuel pump is on the firewall, and in the wing....why not in the cockpit? Is the noise the only reason? Also, can someone tell me the purpose of the gascolator? It's a fuel strainer (I already have two other filters in the system) and located properly, it's a good place to drain water from the system ( I can also do that at the tank). Other than these two redundant functions, is there some reason why a gascolator is necessary? Or is it a requirement for the FAA inspection? You can see where I'm going with this.....if it isn't really necessary, why put it in? Thanks for your help. I have learned so much from contributors to this list. It's great! Dave Harms videoflyer@aol.com 601XL/Corvair ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:35 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fiberglass parts. Dave, The original parts were polyester. Can't say about current ones, but I'd bet they still are. Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive Dave Ruddiman wrote: > Does anyone know if the fiberglass parts supplied by ZAC are polyester > or epoxy resin? > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:12 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel pump - gascolator I have no opinion pro or con on the gascolator.... I tend to like redundancy but you seem to have its function adequately covered. Other more experienced listers may have a better perspective on that. I have two Facet pumps located in the wings at the inboard end of the tank. The positive is that they are never going to get abused by the passenger or pilot's feet. The negative is that they are more difficult to inspect or replace where I've mounted them. Mounted on the floor of the cockpit places them even lower relative to the bottom of the fuel tanks and that is a definite plus. Th eless a pump has to suck fuel uphill the less chance of forming vapor bubbles at high temps and high altitude. Ed Moody II Rayne, LA 601XL/Jabiru/cabin area I see > installations where the fuel pump is on the firewall, and in the wing....why not > in the cockpit? Is the noise the only reason? > > Also, can someone tell me the purpose of the gascolator?> Dave Harms > videoflyer@aol.com > 601XL/Corvair ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:39 AM PST US From: "Steve Hulland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Robert Stone's Outrageous e-mail and pic of the day Dave, I am glad that you did not try to excuse Bob's email. I sent him my answer via the group because that is how I received a copy of his outragous email. What interests me is this: So what if he is a 72 year old Air Force veteran! I am a 62 year old Retired Marine. So what if he has built a KR-1 and a KR-2 and sold his C152! I helped restore a Chipmuk, DC-3, Fairchild and Taylorcraft BC12-D and sold an Ercoupe, Taylorcraft, Stinson 108 and am currently completing a Zenith 600 taildrager - which should be flying real soon. So what if Bob flys Young Eagles, is active in the EAA, etc. So am I and many others! And what does the picture have to do with it? Simply put, there was and is no place for Bob's email, even if it was supposed to be private. If he continues such antics, there is and should be no place for him on any forum. His language was a disgrace to the Air Force, EAA, Young Eagles, and members of this forum. If he truly cares he would make a public appology and continue with all of us as a civil person with respect for everyone else. He has even taken (so he says) me off his email listing because of my answer. Bob may be the greatest guy in the world, but he does not understand politness, etc. At least he does not appear to. Do Not Archive -- Semper Fi, Steven R. Hulland CH 600 Taildragger Amado, AZ This and all other incoming/outgoing email, attachments and replies scanned prior to opening/sending and uses an external firewall to help insure virus free email and attachments. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:45 AM PST US From: "Robert W Rauscher" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 35 Msgs - 11/15/06 Re Bob Stone Message: RECEIVED BY ME ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zenith-List Digest Server" Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 1:58 AM Subject: Zenith-List Digest: 35 Msgs - 11/15/06 > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Zenith-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. 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The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Zenith-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list/Digest.Zenith-List.2006-11-15.html > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list/Digest.Zenith-List.2006-11-15.txt > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Zenith-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Wed 11/15/06: 35 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 0. 04:53 AM - LOC (Matt Dralle) > 1. 05:33 AM - Re: [spam] Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (ernie) > 2. 06:00 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun BBQ (Juan Vega) > 3. 06:47 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun BBQ (Jim Hoak) > 4. 06:50 AM - Re: [spam] Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (Larry Winger) > 5. 07:22 AM - Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (Dave Ruddiman) > 6. 09:22 AM - Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums (lgingell) > 7. 09:52 AM - Re: TEST () > 8. 10:27 AM - Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (Keith Ashcraft) > 9. 12:22 PM - Re: TEST (Dave Johnson) > 10. 12:52 PM - Re: 701 amphibous floats (raymondj) > 11. 01:28 PM - Re: 701 amphibous floats (MacDonald Doug) > 12. 01:36 PM - Re: 701 amphibous floats (Roger Roy) > 13. 01:57 PM - Re: TEST (robert stone) > 14. 02:06 PM - Re: TEST (Juan Vega) > 15. 02:10 PM - Re: Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums (Juan > Vega) > 16. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums (Juan > Vega) > 17. 03:28 PM - SOS (Bill Naumuk) > 18. 03:49 PM - Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (Dave Ruddiman) > 19. 03:57 PM - Re: TEST (Dave Ruddiman) > 20. 04:01 PM - Re: SOS (Bill Naumuk) > 21. 04:37 PM - Robert Stone's Outrageous e-mail (DICK WILBERS) > 22. 04:49 PM - Re: 701 amphibious floats (raymondj) > 23. 05:16 PM - Re: Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums (Craig > Payne) > 24. 06:49 PM - Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? (Ron Lendon) > 25. 07:36 PM - Re: Robert Stone's Outrageous e-mail (Steve Hulland) > 26. 07:41 PM - Fiberglass parts. (Dave Ruddiman) > 27. 07:49 PM - Re: 701 amphibious floats (MacDonald Doug) > 28. 08:17 PM - Installation of Garmin GTX327 transponder (phd1993) > 29. 08:44 PM - Re: Robert Stone's Outrageous e-mail and pic of the day > (Afterfxllc@aol.com) > 30. 08:49 PM - Wanted! Tires & Tubes for my CH-701 (James Sagerser) > 31. 09:13 PM - Re: Wanted! Tires & Tubes for my CH-701 (Dave Ruddiman) > 32. 09:39 PM - Re: Installation of Garmin GTX327 transponder (Craig > Payne) > 33. 10:21 PM - Re: Robert Stone's Outrageous e-mail and pic of the day > (TxDave) > 34. 11:39 PM - Re: 701 amphibious floats (raymondj) > > > ________________________________ Message 0 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:53:31 AM PST US > From: Matt Dralle > Subject: Zenith-List: LOC > > > Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message > acknowledging everyone > that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort > of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their > appreciation for the Lists. > > Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of > Contributors > (LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List > seems > at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a > building/flying/recreating/entertainment tool as your typical magazine > subscription! > > Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show > others > that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists > is > fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site: > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > or by popping a personal check in the mail to: > > Matt Dralle / Matronics > PO Box 347 > Livermore CA 94551-0347 > > I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution > thus > far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that > keeps > these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment > about how the Lists have helped you! > > Best regards, > > Matt Dralle > Matronics Email List Administrator > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:33:48 AM PST US > From: ernie > Subject: Re: [spam] Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? > > List, > > I did the same type of construction using the example on > http://www.liming.org/ch801/ > http://www.liming.org/ch801/table.html > > I am really thought that these beams were over kill, but now I am > wondering. > > Has anyone else who built this type of table, found that they need to > reinforce because of > sagging? > > Ernie > > On 11/14/06, Les Goldner wrote: >> >> lgold@quantum-associates.com> >> >> Matt, >> I built a 12'x4' work table using 3 12' long 2"x10" wood beams, braced >> them, >> and put it on strong wheels. Problem is my floor is not all that flat and >> I >> had to spend a few hours shimming up the table whenever I moved it. Also >> noticed that the beams were not rigid enough and the table did not stay >> all >> that flat. The middle sagged about 1/8" and I had to add legs in the >> middle >> of the table. >> >> As to making the table smaller, My 701 wings could probably been made on >> a >> 10'x3' table as long as you don't skimp on the 2"x2" metal beams used to >> support the work. >> Regards, >> Les >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com >> > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >> > Matt Stecher >> > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:53 PM >> > To: Zenith-List@Matronics.Com >> > Subject: [spam] Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? >> > >> > --> >> > >> > I have searched the archives and could not find an answer to >> > my question so I thought that I would ask the folks that know. >> > >> > I am building my workbench and would like to put it on wheels >> > so that I can easily move it out of the way when not in use. >> > But I am not sure how easy it will be to keep it true. >> > >> > I am also hoping to get away with only building a 10 foot >> > bench, that space problem again. >> > >> > Has anyone had any luck with either one? >> > >> > By the way how was the WW College? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Matt in Katy >> > XL Tail and Corvair >> > >> > >> > Photoshare, and much much more: >> > >> > >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:00:13 AM PST US > From: Juan Vega > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sun-N-Fun BBQ > > > All, > if you are expecting 80 plus people, pigs are out as you will need at > least 120lbs > worth (they shrink). CHicken is easy. ONe option is to hire a group > with > a Bar BQ roaster, order the food and let them cook it. We do it for our > neighborhood > here in St. Petersburg. 75 people on average, and everyone pays for > the dinner. > > Juan > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Zodie Rocket >>Sent: Nov 14, 2006 11:27 PM >>To: zenith-list@matronics.com, 701builders@yahoogroups.com, >>801BUILDERS@yahoogroups.com >>Subject: Zenith-List: Sun-N-Fun BBQ >> >>Well believe it or not this is the time of year that I start planning >>the BBQ for Sun-N-Fun. It takes me awhile to tie up all the loose ends >>so that I have as little as possible to do during the show. As most of >>you know I started this event as a builder just wanting to share a good >>evening with other builders, but it has become somewhat of a monster >>from day one, with the first year having over 80 people in attendance. I >>don?t mind at all either, I cover all costs for the BBQ and put out a >>donation jar, so far I have broken even with donations from each of you >>and from Jabiru USA, homebuilthelp.com and of course Jim at >>sportplanes.com ( my heartfelt condolences goes out to his family) also >>kicking in is Flightcrafters. However, I do not accept a donation from >>Zenith or any of the Heintz family I?m just happy that they have chosen >>to attend every year since this event is not affiliated with the >>company,. Well it was never supposed to be, but as Can-Zac now I can >>hardly say there is not company involvement. The first year we have dogs >>and burgers with many people bringing dessert and salads ( don?t forget >>the strawberries), last year we had dogs and burgers with chicken wings >>and roasted corn. The pop went too fast and 250 plates disappeared real >>fast. Flightcrafters brought a massive cake and the strawberries were >>there again. But what I need from you folks are idea?s on what was good >>and what was bad? Do you want to see more of something? I tossed up the >>idea of a pig roast, but that is a hell of a lot of work for a Canadian >>to pull off. So I?m open for suggestions. I would also like the chance >>to firm up some salads and desserts this year so that everyone has a >>full belly. >> >>Just a final word, all this is possible with the Generous help From Rick >>Roberts and his crew. Though Rick now lives in Georgia his crew are >>still in Florida and are willing to help out with the BBQ,s and all the >>cooking, which for two guys not in the aviation world is beyond gracious >>and I can never say Thanks enough to those gents. The campsite will >>remain the same as last year and is held for us by Jim Hoak. Remember >>folks this is for you folks to meet other people of like interests, lets >>see how big we can make it in April 19 2007 >> >>Mark Townsend >>Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. >>HYPERLINK >>"mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com >>HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com >> >> >> >>-- >>11/14/2006 >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>11/14/2006 >> > > > ________________________________ Message 3 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:47:17 AM PST US > From: "Jim Hoak" > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sun-N-Fun BBQ > > Mark, > > I'm planning to take my Travel Trailer and camp in the campground again > this year and if possible in the same location. Also I'll do my best to > "HOARD" enough space again. That is the hardest part because space for > campers gets critical and the "Campground Cops" always come by and > question us about the large open area next to my camper. I recruit one > or more of my workshop volunteers and friends to put their gear in the > area with "LEGAL" stickers then move them at the last minute to make > space. It worked. > > Long story short, I hope CAN-ZAC, Rick and all are able to make it work > again. Remember, as a backup, I can always get a place down next to the > pond at Gene and Debby Jacksons "BIG" tent. They "DO" roast a BIG PIG > every year for hundreds of folks. Debby is now one of the volunteers in > my Metal Workshop. > > I think salads would be great. However I sure don't have enough space in > my camper refrigerator for them though. They would have to be delivered > "just in time" to make it work. > > Jim Hoak > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Zodie Rocket > To: zenith-list@matronics.com ; 701builders@yahoogroups.com ; > 801BUILDERS@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:27 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: Sun-N-Fun BBQ > > > Well believe it or not this is the time of year that I start planning > the BBQ for Sun-N-Fun. It takes me awhile to tie up all the loose ends > so that I have as little as possible to do during the show. As most of > you know I started this event as a builder just wanting to share a good > evening with other builders, but it has become somewhat of a monster > from day one, with the first year having over 80 people in attendance. I > don=92t mind at all either, I cover all costs for the BBQ and put out a > donation jar, so far I have broken even with donations from each of you > and from Jabiru USA, homebuilthelp.com and of course Jim at > sportplanes.com ( my heartfelt condolences goes out to his family) also > kicking in is Flightcrafters. However, I do not accept a donation from > Zenith or any of the Heintz family I=92m just happy that they have > chosen to attend every year since this event is not affiliated with the > company,. Well it was never supposed to be, but as Can-Zac now I can > hardly say there is not company involvement. The first year we have dogs > and burgers with many people bringing dessert and salads ( don=92t > forget the strawberries), last year we had dogs and burgers with chicken > wings and roasted corn. The pop went too fast and 250 plates disappeared > real fast. Flightcrafters brought a massive cake and the strawberries > were there again. But what I need from you folks are idea=92s on what > was good and what was bad? Do you want to see more of something? I > tossed up the idea of a pig roast, but that is a hell of a lot of work > for a Canadian to pull off. So I=92m open for suggestions. I would also > like the chance to firm up some salads and desserts this year so that > everyone has a full belly. > > > Just a final word, all this is possible with the Generous help From > Rick Roberts and his crew. Though Rick now lives in Georgia his crew are > still in Florida and are willing to help out with the BBQ,s and all the > cooking, which for two guys not in the aviation world is beyond gracious > and I can never say Thanks enough to those gents. The campsite will > remain the same as last year and is held for us by Jim Hoak. Remember > folks this is for you folks to meet other people of like interests, lets > see how big we can make it in April 19 2007 > > > Mark Townsend > > Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. > > president@can-zacaviation.com > > www.can-zacaviation.com > > > -- > 11/14/2006 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > 11/14/2006 > > > ________________________________ Message 4 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:50:27 AM PST US > From: "Larry Winger" > Subject: Re: [spam] Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? > > So far so good. I did put two layers of 3/4" material on top (plywood and > MDF) which also contributed to the ridigity. > > Larry Winger > > > On 11/15/06, ernie wrote: >> >> List, >> >> I did the same type of construction using the example on >> http://www.liming.org/ch801/ >> http://www.liming.org/ch801/table.html >> >> I am really thought that these beams were over kill, but now I am >> wondering. >> >> Has anyone else who built this type of table, found that they need to >> reinforce because of >> sagging? >> >> Ernie >> > > ________________________________ Message 5 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:22:46 AM PST US > From: "Dave Ruddiman" > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? > > Matt, > > My current table is 32" at the top which is a perfect height for me. I'm > about 5'8" tall. My previous one was 36" which was way to tall for me. > The right height really makes a difference. Not sure what I will do when > I start the fuselage. Should be OK except I won't be able to put the > vertical stab on. Since it's around 10' to the top it won't even fit in > the shop. > > Dave in Salem > 801-finishing the right wing > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Tezyk > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:38 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? > > > Matt, > > I am building my workbench frame out of 1.5" square steel tube. I > plan to use some all-thread in each leg to create jackstands. The > jackstands will lift the wheels off of the ground and will allow me to > level the table no matter how uneven the floor. At the suggestion of > Jay in Dallas, I am going to build the table low and provide enough > range in the jackstands to bring it up to a normal height. It will > allow me to run it high for wings and keep it low for working on the > fuselage when it is in the "Boat" stage. I will post pictures in my > gallery as it comes together. > > Regards, > > Bob Tezyk > Midlothian, TX > 601XL / 3300 On Order > Delivery Jan 19, 2007, Preparing hangar for the build. > bob@eaglesnestestates.org > > http://neo.datamatrix.com/eaglesnestestates/index.php?option=com_rsgall > ery2&Itemid=28&catid=23 > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Time: 06:54:02 PM PST US > From: "Matt Stecher" > Subject: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? > > > I have searched the archives and could not find an answer to my > question so > I thought that I would ask the folks that know. > > I am building my workbench and would like to put it on wheels so that > I can > easily move it out of the way when not in use. But I am not sure how > easy > it will be to keep it true. > > I am also hoping to get away with only building a 10 foot bench, that > space > problem again. > > Has anyone had any luck with either one? > > By the way how was the WW College? > > Thanks, > Matt in Katy > XL Tail and Corvair > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > ________________________________ Message 6 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:22:01 AM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums > From: "lgingell" > > > That AOPA forum chat is a bit different from this report: > > http://www.aero-news.net/news/genav.cfm?ContentBlockID=9cf4d74f-9ee1-4857-80d1-f8c8918181fa&Dynamic=1 > > -------- > Zodiac XL/Jab 3300 > http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74806#74806 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:52:52 AM PST US > From: > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST > > > To all listers who care, > > It have been brought to my attention that the now famous chewing out email > form > Bob Stone to John Starn was sent off list to John and only then did John > choose > to post it to the list in general. > > Therefore I apologize to Bob Stone and retract my suggestion that he owes > the list > an apology. I still believe it was an unnecesarly bit of unpleasantness > (much > like the War Between the States), but I believe that Irish diplomacy is > the > better tool in this venue. There are ways to tell a person to "Go to Hell" > in > such a way that they may actually look forward to the trip. > > As to the flagrant indiscretion visited upon this peaceful sovereign email > list, > the following disciplinary action will be taken regarding John Starn (AKA > Kabong) > : > > It is hereby decreed (A) that Kabong will be issued 25 demerits and > > (B) said Kabong will be required to remain indoors during all recess > periods for > the balance of the week, and > > (C) as community service, Kabong will identify and delete all emails which > mention > the dreaded Green Sctotchbrite for a perion of one month commencing today. > > Ed Moody II > Rayne, LA > Do Not Archive > Do Not Cuss Out Other Listers (even privately) > > > ________________________________ Message 8 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:27:34 AM PST US > From: Keith Ashcraft > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? > > Dave, > The way I built my bench, was that when I work in the fuselage, I can > install the shorter, pre-drilled legs, (approx 18" tall), that will > bring the whole fuselage down to my 5'-8" working height. > Some pictures of my bench is at www.geocities.com/ch701builder (Only the > shop section is done at this time on the web site) > > Keith > N 38.9947 > W 105.1305 > Alt. 9,100' (see Gary, some of us live at a higher altitude, than most > Zeniths will probably fly, Average elevation of U.S. is around > 2700'-2800') (I think) > > *********************************************************************************************************** > > Dave Ruddiman wrote: > >> Matt, >> >> My current table is 32" at the top which is a perfect height for me. >> I'm about 5'8" tall. My previous one was 36" which was way to tall for >> me. The right height really makes a difference. Not sure what I will >> do when I start the fuselage. Should be OK except I won't be able to >> put the vertical stab on. Since it's around 10' to the top it won't >> even fit in the shop. >> >> Dave in Salem >> 801-finishing the right wing >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Bob Tezyk >> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com >> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:38 PM >> *Subject:* Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? >> >> Matt, >> >> I am building my workbench frame out of 1.5" square steel tube. I >> plan to use some all-thread in each leg to create jackstands. The >> jackstands will lift the wheels off of the ground and will allow >> me to level the table no matter how uneven the floor. At the >> suggestion of Jay in Dallas, I am going to build the table low and >> provide enough range in the jackstands to bring it up to a normal >> height. It will allow me to run it high for wings and keep it low >> for working on the fuselage when it is in the "Boat" stage. I >> will post pictures in my gallery as it comes together. >> >> Regards, >> >> Bob Tezyk >> Midlothian, TX >> 601XL / 3300 On Order >> Delivery Jan 19, 2007, Preparing hangar for the build. >> bob@eaglesnestestates.org >> >> http://neo.datamatrix.com/eaglesnestestates/index.php?option=com_rsgallery2&Itemid=28&catid=23 >> >> >> >> >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> Time: 06:54:02 PM PST US >> From: "Matt Stecher" > > >> Subject: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? >> >> >> I have searched the archives and could not find an answer to my >> question so >> I thought that I would ask the folks that know. >> >> I am building my workbench and would like to put it on wheels so >> that I can >> easily move it out of the way when not in use. But I am not sure >> how easy >> it will be to keep it true. >> >> I am also hoping to get away with only building a 10 foot bench, >> that space >> problem again. >> >> Has anyone had any luck with either one? >> >> By the way how was the WW College? >> >> Thanks, >> Matt in Katy >> XL Tail and Corvair >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >>* >> >>href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com >>href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com >>href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com >>href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com >>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron >>* >> >>* >> >> >>* >> > > -- > > ************************************* > > *Keith Ashcraft* > > ITT Industries > > Advanced Engineering & Sciences > > 5009 Centennial Blvd. > > Colorado Springs, CO > > 80919 > > (719) 599-1787 -- work > > (719) 332-4364 -- cell > > keith.ashcraft@itt.com > > > ************************************ > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and intended > solely > for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you > have > received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that > any views > or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do > not > necessarily represent those of ITT, Inc. The recipient should check > this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT accepts > no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this > e-mail. > ************************************ > > ________________________________ Message 9 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 12:22:07 PM PST US > From: "Dave Johnson" > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST > > Got here O.K. > > Dave Johnson > > do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: robert stone > To: Zenith List > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 2:51 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: TEST > > > List Members, > I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am > doubting weather my posts ever got out and were read by anyone. Please > respond to this test message by a simple > RECEIVED BY ME > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx. > ZodiacXL > > > ________________________________ Message 10 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 12:52:59 PM PST US > From: "raymondj" > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 701 amphibous floats > > Greetings Bill of G. > > I have been looking for plans for metal floats in the 1500 lb range and > have found very little. If you could site any of the magazines or articles > you mention I would very much appreciate it. > > Thanks, > Ray J. > do not archive > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > JAPhillipsGA@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:31 PM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 amphibous floats > > > Lane, I have built a XL and have seen photos of 701s with different style > floats so they are available. Also, I have seen several pair in the last > few > months for sale in the Trades. Probably save some money there. Also, in > the > various magazines over the past years I have seen articles about building > your own floats. If you can build an airplane, a couple floats should be a > snap. Check the archives. I'll bet you find something. Best regards, Bill > of > Georgia > > > ________________________________ Message 11 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:28:12 PM PST US > From: MacDonald Doug > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 701 amphibous floats > > > Ray, I haven't seen any amphib plans anywhere but WAG > Aero sell plans for the North Aire series of floats. > They can be built from 1100# up to 1500# I believe by > adding an extra compartment. > > I have a set of plans for them but have not looked at > them in detail for a while. Seems to me the plans > only cost around $90.00 or so. > > As for amphibs, you might be able to modify them to > work as amphibs. This is what I am thinking of trying > if Zenith (CAN-ZAC) decides to only produce completed > floats. > > Doug MacDonald > CH-701 Scratch builder > Working on Cabin. > > > Sponsored Link > > Compare mortgage rates for today. > Get up to 5 free quotes. > Www2.nextag.com > > > ________________________________ Message 12 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:36:18 PM PST US > From: "Roger Roy" > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 amphibous floats > > If anyone is interested in a pair of Avid 1100 Amphibious (Fiberglass) > White gel coated, excellent condition I can put you in touch with the > owner. I do know that he had them on for one season but removed them > because he said it got lonely sitting in the middle of the lake with no > one to talk to. If interested let me know. I'm sure he would send > pictures > > RJ > Do not Archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: raymondj > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:51 PM > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 701 amphibous floats > > > Greetings Bill of G. > > I have been looking for plans for metal floats in the 1500 lb > range and have found very little. If you could site any of the magazines > or articles you mention I would very much appreciate it. > > Thanks, > Ray J. > do not archive > -----Original Message----- > From: > owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com tronics.com> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > JAPhillipsGA@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:31 PM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 amphibous floats > > > Lane, I have built a XL and have seen photos of 701s with different > style floats so they are available. Also, I have seen several pair in > the last few months for sale in the Trades. Probably save some money > there. Also, in the various magazines over the past years I have seen > articles about building your own floats. If you can build an airplane, a > couple floats should be a snap. Check the archives. I'll bet you find > something. Best regards, Bill of Georgia > > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com > href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron > > > www.aeroelectric.com > www.buildersbooks.com > www.homebuilthelp.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List avigator?Zenith-List> > > > ________________________________ Message 13 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:57:46 PM PST US > From: "robert stone" > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST > > Dave, > Thanks for the response. > > Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dave Johnson > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:19 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST > > > Got here O.K. > > Dave Johnson > > do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: robert stone > To: Zenith List > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 2:51 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: TEST > > > List Members, > I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am > doubting weather my posts ever got out and were read by anyone. Please > respond to this test message by a simple > RECEIVED BY ME > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx. > ZodiacXL > > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com > href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron > > > ________________________________ Message 14 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:06:47 PM PST US > From: Juan Vega > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST > > > I hath recieveth! > > Juan Vega > > -----Original Message----- >>From: robert stone >>Sent: Nov 15, 2006 4:56 PM >>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST >> >>Dave, >> Thanks for the response. >> >>Bob >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Dave Johnson >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:19 PM >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST >> >> >> Got here O.K. >> >> Dave Johnson >> >> do not archive >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: robert stone >> To: Zenith List >> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 2:51 PM >> Subject: Zenith-List: TEST >> >> >> List Members, >> I have posted a few requests and received no answers so I am >> doubting > weather my posts ever got out and were read by anyone. Please respond to > this > test message by a simple >> RECEIVED BY ME >> >> Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx. >> ZodiacXL >> >> >>href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com >>href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com >>href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com >>href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com >>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 15 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:10:46 PM PST US > From: Juan Vega > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums > > > Lance, > do you have a scematic for your Fuel system? I sure could use some good > pictures > for reference. > > -----Original Message----- >>From: lgingell >>Sent: Nov 15, 2006 12:20 PM >>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums >> >> >>That AOPA forum chat is a bit different from this report: >> >>http://www.aero-news.net/news/genav.cfm?ContentBlockID=9cf4d74f-9ee1-4857-80d1-f8c8918181fa&Dynamic=1 >> >>-------- >>Zodiac XL/Jab 3300 >>http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp >> >> >>Read this topic online here: >> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74806#74806 >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 16 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:12:45 PM PST US > From: Juan Vega > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > Lance, > > My emial is amyvega205@earthlink.net for the pictures, > > Thanx > > -----Original Message----- >>From: lgingell >>Sent: Nov 15, 2006 12:20 PM >>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums >> >> >>That AOPA forum chat is a bit different from this report: >> >>http://www.aero-news.net/news/genav.cfm?ContentBlockID=9cf4d74f-9ee1-4857-80d1-f8c8918181fa&Dynamic=1 >> >>-------- >>Zodiac XL/Jab 3300 >>http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp >> >> >>Read this topic online here: >> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74806#74806 >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 17 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:28:55 PM PST US > From: "Bill Naumuk" > Subject: Zenith-List: SOS > > Considering the recent strings, nothing has changed. About all > anyone can do is hope they contact a few reliable resources of > information or get some fresh ideas while plowing through the muck. > Sometimes it takes multiple postings to come up with a solution that > works in your situation, sometimes you never find one. > The process is what sucks. You either get an answer and a long term > e-mail partner, or flamed and vilified by the list "Community" as a > whole and a negative string that lasts for weeks. C'est la vie. > My first progress report on Nuvite F9 is that I ordered it via > e-mail from Nuvite Sunday and expected to see it today. Nuvite is based > only 1 state away from me. No joy. Will let you all know how it works vs > G6 when I actually get some. > > Bill Naumuk > HDS Fuselage > Townville, Pa > > ________________________________ Message 18 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:49:25 PM PST US > From: "Dave Ruddiman" > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? > > Keith, > > Looks like you could build half a plane in the time it takes just to get > your shop ready. Lots of work. I would probably die of altitude sickness > at your house. It's about 200' MSL around here. > > Dave in Salem > Willamette Valley flat lands. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Keith Ashcraft > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:26 AM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? > > > Dave, > The way I built my bench, was that when I work in the fuselage, I can > install the shorter, pre-drilled legs, (approx 18" tall), that will > bring the whole fuselage down to my 5'-8" working height. > Some pictures of my bench is at www.geocities.com/ch701builder (Only > the shop section is done at this time on the web site) > > Keith > N 38.9947 > W 105.1305 > Alt. 9,100' (see Gary, some of us live at a higher altitude, than most > Zeniths will probably fly, Average elevation of U.S. is around > 2700'-2800') (I think) > > > ************************************************************************* > ********************************** > > Dave Ruddiman wrote: > Matt, > > My current table is 32" at the top which is a perfect height for me. > I'm about 5'8" tall. My previous one was 36" which was way to tall for > me. The right height really makes a difference. Not sure what I will do > when I start the fuselage. Should be OK except I won't be able to put > the vertical stab on. Since it's around 10' to the top it won't even fit > in the shop. > > Dave in Salem > 801-finishing the right wing > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Tezyk > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:38 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? > > > Matt, > > I am building my workbench frame out of 1.5" square steel tube. I > plan to use some all-thread in each leg to create jackstands. The > jackstands will lift the wheels off of the ground and will allow me to > level the table no matter how uneven the floor. At the suggestion of > Jay in Dallas, I am going to build the table low and provide enough > range in the jackstands to bring it up to a normal height. It will > allow me to run it high for wings and keep it low for working on the > fuselage when it is in the "Boat" stage. I will post pictures in my > gallery as it comes together. > > Regards, > > Bob Tezyk > Midlothian, TX > 601XL / 3300 On Order > Delivery Jan 19, 2007, Preparing hangar for the build. > bob@eaglesnestestates.org > > http://neo.datamatrix.com/eaglesnestestates/index.php?option=com_rsgall > ery2&Itemid=28&catid=23 > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Time: 06:54:02 PM PST US > From: "Matt Stecher" > Subject: Zenith-List: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? > > > I have searched the archives and could not find an answer to my > question so > I thought that I would ask the folks that know. > > I am building my workbench and would like to put it on wheels so > that I can > easily move it out of the way when not in use. But I am not sure > how easy > it will be to keep it true. > > I am also hoping to get away with only building a 10 foot bench, > that space > problem again. > > Has anyone had any luck with either one? > > By the way how was the WW College? > > Thanks, > Matt in Katy > XL Tail and Corvair > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com > href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron > > > -- > > ************************************* > > Keith Ashcraft > > ITT Industries > > Advanced Engineering & Sciences > > 5009 Centennial Blvd. > > Colorado Springs, CO > > 80919 > > (719) 599-1787 -- work > > (719) 332-4364 -- cell > > keith.ashcraft@itt.com > > ************************************ > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and > intended solely > for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If > you have > received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that > any views > or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and > do not > necessarily represent those of ITT, Inc. The recipient should check > this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT accepts > no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this > e-mail. > ************************************ > > > ________________________________ Message 19 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:57:44 PM PST US > From: "Dave Ruddiman" > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST > > > That can happen when you don't get your nap. Now we can return to our > regular programming. Not as entertaining, but............... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:52 AM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST > > >> >> To all listers who care, >> >> It have been brought to my attention that the now famous chewing out >> email >> form Bob Stone to John Starn was sent off list to John and only then did >> John choose to post it to the list in general. >> >> Therefore I apologize to Bob Stone and retract my suggestion that he owes >> the list an apology. I still believe it was an unnecesarly bit of >> unpleasantness (much like the War Between the States), but I believe that >> Irish diplomacy is the better tool in this venue. There are ways to tell >> a >> person to "Go to Hell" in such a way that they may actually look forward >> to the trip. >> >> As to the flagrant indiscretion visited upon this peaceful sovereign >> email >> list, the following disciplinary action will be taken regarding John >> Starn >> (AKA Kabong) : >> >> It is hereby decreed (A) that Kabong will be issued 25 demerits and >> >> (B) said Kabong will be required to remain indoors during all recess >> periods for the balance of the week, and >> >> (C) as community service, Kabong will identify and delete all emails >> which >> mention the dreaded Green Sctotchbrite for a perion of one month >> commencing today. >> >> Ed Moody II >> Rayne, LA >> Do Not Archive >> Do Not Cuss Out Other Listers (even privately) >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 20 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:01:11 PM PST US > From: "Bill Naumuk" > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SOS > > I also forget to include my attachments at work, too!! > DO NOT ARCHIVE > Bill Naumuk > HDS Fuselage > Townville, Pa > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Naumuk > To: zenith list > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:26 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: SOS > > > Considering the recent strings, nothing has changed. About all > anyone can do is hope they contact a few reliable resources of > information or get some fresh ideas while plowing through the muck. > Sometimes it takes multiple postings to come up with a solution that > works in your situation, sometimes you never find one. > The process is what sucks. You either get an answer and a long > term e-mail partner, or flamed and vilified by the list "Community" as a > whole and a negative string that lasts for weeks. C'est la vie. > My first progress report on Nuvite F9 is that I ordered it via > e-mail from Nuvite Sunday and expected to see it today. Nuvite is based > only 1 state away from me. No joy. Will let you all know how it works vs > G6 when I actually get some. > > Bill Naumuk > HDS Fuselage > Townville, Pa > > > ________________________________ Message 21 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:37:41 PM PST US > From: "DICK WILBERS" > Subject: Zenith-List: Robert Stone's Outrageous e-mail > > > I demand that Robert Stone remove himself from the Zenith list. The > language he used is totally inappropriate and has no place here. I am > surprised that a person would react that vehemently to email that is not > to > his liking. I believe that he has a sever cranial problem. > > Richard > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > dredmoody@cox.net > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:13 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: Zenith-List: TEST > > > Bob, I have to tell you, that chewing out was way uncalled for and over > the > top. Another lister had declined to take time to help you because of the > way > you teed off on somebody a while back to the effect of "mind your own damn > business" or something similar. > > I had just replied to his email and asked that he reconsider because we > are > on this list to help one another when your email tongue lashing hit the > server. That sort of behavior is not going to encourage anyone to reach > out > to help when you ask. Where's all that anger coming from? Is it Touret's > Syndrome? > > This list is no place for that kind of stuff. An apology to Kabong and the > rest of the list in general is definitely in order here. Short of that, > you > may as well unsubscribe because nobody is going to want to bother with > helping you. Most of us have wives and can get chewed out anytime we want > without logging onto the internet. > > Ed Moody II > Do Not Archive > Do Not Go Postal on this List > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: robert stone >> To: jhstarn@verizon.net >> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:39 PM >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST >> >> >> John Stern, >> You are the kind of moron that causes a lot of people with valuable > information to leave the list so they will not have to put up with bull > shit > from a fucking ass hole like you. You can kiss my ass you fucking moron > son > -of a bitch. Don't bother to respond because any message I see from you > will be deleted un-read. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: JOHN STARN >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:31 PM >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TEST >> >> >> Test ?, what test ?, How can I respond to a test that does not include > at least one Do Not Archive. This test was "received by me" via the list & > trimmed by me too. KABONG 8*) > > > ________________________________ Message 22 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:49:40 PM PST US > From: "raymondj" > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 701 amphibious floats > > > Are these plans for metal of composite floats? I looked at their website > and > they don't say. > > Thanks for the info. > Ray > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of MacDonald > Doug > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:26 PM > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 701 amphibous floats > > > Ray, I haven't seen any amphib plans anywhere but WAG > Aero sell plans for the North Aire series of floats. > They can be built from 1100# up to 1500# I believe by > adding an extra compartment. > > I have a set of plans for them but have not looked at > them in detail for a while. Seems to me the plans > only cost around $90.00 or so. > > As for amphibs, you might be able to modify them to > work as amphibs. This is what I am thinking of trying > if Zenith (CAN-ZAC) decides to only produce completed > floats. > > Doug MacDonald > CH-701 Scratch builder > Working on Cabin. > > > Sponsored Link > > Compare mortgage rates for today. > Get up to 5 free quotes. > Www2.nextag.com > > > ________________________________ Message 23 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:16:30 PM PST US > From: "Craig Payne" > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums > > > I have a few pictures of the plumbing of Lance's plane on the pilot's side > of the firewall if he doesn't. > > -- Craig > > > ________________________________ Message 24 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:49:24 PM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Workbench - 10' & Wheels ?? > From: "Ron Lendon" > > > I don't have wheels but I did follow these plans and have a flat strong > table 12' > long & 4' wide. I have scratch built the tail feathers, flaps ailerons > and > wing spars on it. The rivets were set using a hammer on the table and a > one > ton arbor press. The table did move 4" during the riveting but when put > back > in place it is still flat and strong. > > Here is the link to the table plans: > > > I did follow the plans with one deviation, I used a joiner to plane the > 12' and > 4' beams after they were assembled. > > Recommended > > -------- > Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI > Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) > http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74914#74914 > > > ________________________________ Message 25 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:36:23 PM PST US > From: "Steve Hulland" > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Robert Stone's Outrageous e-mail > > Bob Stone, > Please advise when you are leaving this list. Your attitude and language > has > no place here or anywhere in the aviation circles I have traveled in > during > these past 48 years. I am considering leaving myself if this kind of stuff > continues. > > -- > Semper Fi, > Steven R. Hulland > CH 600 Taildragger > Amado, AZ > > This and all other incoming/outgoing email, attachments and replies > scanned > prior to opening/sending and uses an external firewall to help insure > virus > free email and attachments. > > ________________________________ Message 26 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:41:58 PM PST US > From: "Dave Ruddiman" > Subject: Zenith-List: Fiberglass parts. > > Does anyone know if the fiberglass parts supplied by ZAC are polyester > or epoxy resin? > > > ________________________________ Message 27 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:49:47 PM PST US > From: MacDonald Doug > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 701 amphibious floats > > > The Wag Aero Floats are Aluminum. They were > originally designed in the sixties I think. > > Doug MacDonald > CH-701 Scratch builder > > > Sponsored Link > > Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. > $420k for $1,399/mo. Calculate new payment! > www.LowerMyBills.com/lre > > > ________________________________ Message 28 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:17:39 PM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: Installation of Garmin GTX327 transponder > From: "phd1993" > > > Trying to install GTX327 in my 701 - when I power-up the transponder all I > get > is the background illuminated with no other text or indications. I do > not have > either the altitude encoder (Ameri-King 350) or antenna connected. Should > I expect to see something more displayed upon power-up? Power-up while > holding > FUNC button? > > Thanks, > > Sam H. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74929#74929 > > > ________________________________ Message 29 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:44:34 PM PST US > From: Afterfxllc@aol.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Robert Stone's Outrageous e-mail and pic of the > day > > Like sands through the hour glass these are the days of our list......... > We > need a list of only approved members so all the builders that are won't be > bothered with the builders that never will. > > > Jeff > 601 XL Plans Built > avionics > > ________________________________ Message 30 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:49:44 PM PST US > From: James Sagerser > Subject: Zenith-List: Wanted! Tires & Tubes for my CH-701 > > > Would like to purchase a set of 8.50-6 tires and tubes or 6.00-6 tubes > for my CH-701. Please call Jim @480-766-0003 or e-mail to > alaskajim@cox.net. Have a good day! > > > ________________________________ Message 31 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:13:16 PM PST US > From: "Dave Ruddiman" > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wanted! Tires & Tubes for my CH-701 > > > James, > > If you happen to come up with an extra set of 8.50's, I am also looking > for > some. > > Dave in Salem > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Sagerser" > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:48 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: Wanted! Tires & Tubes for my CH-701 > > >> >> Would like to purchase a set of 8.50-6 tires and tubes or 6.00-6 tubes >> for >> my CH-701. Please call Jim @480-766-0003 or e-mail to alaskajim@cox.net. >> Have a good day! >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 32 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:39:33 PM PST US > From: "Craig Payne" > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Installation of Garmin GTX327 transponder > > > I assume you have the installation manual. If not I can e-mail it to you. > > Looking at the pin-out of the DB25 connector I see power being fed in to > pin > 15. But I also see pin 1 labeled as "Avionics Master On". Is it possible > that the unit won't power on unless it sees 12 volts on pin 1? Likewise > what > do you have connected to pin 16 (external standby) or pin 22 (airborn > sense > - squat switch). Some of these may inhibit the unit. > > Also are you grounding both pins 13 and 25? Shouldn't matter but probably > the best practice. It would spread current across two pins instead of one. > > You may get more answers on the aeroelectric list. > > BTW: although a transponder won't transmit until it is interrogated and I > don't see any specific warnings in the manual I still wouldn't operate a > transmitter with out the proper antenna load connected. This is one > expensive box. > > -- Craig > > > ________________________________ Message 33 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:21:37 PM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Robert Stone's Outrageous e-mail and pic of the > day > From: "TxDave" > > > I am certainly not trying to excuse Bob's "outrageous email". I know Bob > personally > and don't know what made him so angry. Yes, his language and tone were > totally > inappropriate. > > Bob is a 72 year old retired Air Force veteran. He has built a KR-1 and a > KR-2 > and recently sold his beautiful Cessna 152, deciding to go the sport pilot > route. > He is active in the EAA Young Eagles program and volunteers at local air > shows > and fly-ins. He is currently having an A&P mechanic help him build a 601XL > quickbuild kit which should be flying before year's end. > > Like I said before, I am not defendeing Bob's behavior. So please, don't > get angry > at me. However, it is also inappropriate to make assumptions about someone > you have never met and post them on this list. Bob IS a builder and will > be flying > his 601XL long before most of us. Here's a picture of the man himself. > > do not archive > > Dave Clay > Temple, TX > 601XL plans built > finishing right wing > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74946#74946 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/bob_923.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 34 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 11:39:02 PM PST US > From: "raymondj" > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 701 amphibious floats > > > Doug, > > Thanks for the info. I just ordered a set. > > Later, > Ray J > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of MacDonald > Doug > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:49 PM > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 701 amphibious floats > > > The Wag Aero Floats are Aluminum. They were > originally designed in the sixties I think. > > Doug MacDonald > CH-701 Scratch builder > > > Sponsored Link > > Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. > $420k for $1,399/mo. Calculate new payment! > www.LowerMyBills.com/lre > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:17 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel pump - gascolator From: "Gig Giacona" I had intended to put pumps near the wing roots but after spending the weekend at William Wynne's Corvair College I'm rethinking that decision. He gives a pretty good argument for pumps on the engine side of the firewall. Namely the idea of having fuel, under pressure, being pumped into the cockpit if you crash. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74991#74991 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:43 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel pump - gascolator Two things in reply here: If you don't have another really good water ELIMINATOR in the fuel system, keep the gascolator in your system design. The water drain in the tank is not at the absolute bottom of the tank so no matter how often you use it, a little bit of water will remain below the interior level of the welded drain fitting. When you start up and the plane is vibrating that remaining water is agitated, mixes with your fuel and will move with your fuel toward the engine. Some more completely effective water removing appliance is necessary farther down the line. Whether it's a gascolator or some other water separating filter is your choice of course. Second, (this is obvious) it's never a good idea to install something like a fuel pump where you can't access it. I'm not sure why you felt that the area inboard of the tank is too tight for an access port/hatch. I did it without any difficulty and I believe others have also. Ed Moody II ---- Jonathan Starke wrote: > Hi Dave, > > I did NOT fit the Gascolator - also thought is was silly Have two inline filters > etc... Just drain the water from the tanks, so far no problems... > > I fitted the Facet pumps in the wings, next to the tank (Keep the line short > etc....) was BAD idea, as my one pump has already stopped working, and because > it is not convenient to make a hatch between two ribs that are so close, I > didn't - now I have to remove the wing toi fix it... ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:41 AM PST US From: "LRM" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fiberglass parts. Polyester probably, Isophthalic maybe, epoxy mostly likely not. My guess would be polyester, because it's the easiest to get and cheapest. If they have their work done at a real fiberglass shop (which I doubt, because of the poor workmanship), it would be Isophthalic. Most shops buy Isophtahalic in bulk, it's easier to work, used a lot in chopper guns and is chemical resistant. But, Polyester is fine for the kind of parts they supply. They are not high stress parts and don't need to be chemical resistant. Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Ruddiman To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:42 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Fiberglass parts. Does anyone know if the fiberglass parts supplied by ZAC are polyester or epoxy resin? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 11/14/2006 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:56 AM PST US From: "Dave Austin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel pump - gascolator I understand a gascolator is an absolute requirement in Canada, it must be at the lowest point in the fuel feed and accessible so that it can be sampled before every flight. Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:56 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 amphibous floats Check the back issues of Kit Planes. Bill ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:37 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel pump - gascolator Hi Gig, It seems to me that after a crash, the fuel lines would be damaged almost anywhere else before they would rupture, cut, or tear in the cabin interior. Any fuel being pumped would most likely be going somewhere else. I can't see that as a convincing arguement to require the pump to suck fuel uphill to the selector valve, but that's just my opinion. Any uphill area BEFORE the pump is a low pressure area that I'd like to eliminate. You have given me a good thought though. An easy to hit shutoff switch for the fuel pump is a good idea. You don't want it off on final but once you are committed to stay on the surface, it would be a good idea in an off field landing to shut that down immediately. Of course if the landing is a dead stick one, you would already have shut all that down from your checklist, right? Ed Moody II ---- Gig Giacona wrote: > > I had intended to put pumps near the wing roots but after spending the weekend at William Wynne's Corvair College I'm rethinking that decision. > > He gives a pretty good argument for pumps on the engine side of the firewall. Namely the idea of having fuel, under pressure, being pumped into the cockpit if you crash. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:49 AM PST US From: Jack Russell Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel pump - gascolator Gig: I put the fuel pump on the floorboard right in front of the gascolator just before the fire wall. I had a lot of concerns about the fuel system but so far it has worked perfectly. This position doesn't address you fire issue but fuel flowing or fuel pumping in a crash are equally as bad. Jack in Los Osos cA Gig Giacona wrote: I had intended to put pumps near the wing roots but after spending the weekend at William Wynne's Corvair College I'm rethinking that decision. He gives a pretty good argument for pumps on the engine side of the firewall. Namely the idea of having fuel, under pressure, being pumped into the cockpit if you crash. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74991#74991 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:17 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums From: "lgingell" Apart from whats on my site (pictures), the fuel schematic is purely Zenith XL plans "standard": Fuel line from wing tanks, down to fuel selector, out to fuel flow transducer, up firewall to facet fuel pump, through firewall and up to jabiru mechanical fuel pump. I don't actually have a diagram of this. -------- Zodiac XL/Jab 3300 http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=75003#75003 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:01 AM PST US From: Stanley Challgren Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Floats List: >http://www.skyshops.org/FLOATSHOME/floatshome.htm< 701 floats have been referred to recently but I have not noticed the above mentioned. I talked to Chip at Oshkosh this year and he indicated they were still building them and the price in their brochure was $6,500 for the 1150 amphib floats w/o nosewheel and $7,600 for the 4 wheel floats. Stan 701 a'building ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:01 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel pump - gascolator Hi Ed, I'm glad to see we are back on airplane stuff instead of censorship. I would hope anyone doing an emergency landing would turn off the master switch. That will kill all the electrical stuff. So you not only stop pumping fuel, you even cut off many of the spark sources. Paul XL fuselage do not archive >You have given me a good thought though. An easy to hit shutoff >switch for the fuel pump is a good idea. You don't want it off on >final but once you are committed to stay on the surface, it would be >a good idea in an off field landing to shut that down immediately. >Of course if the landing is a dead stick one, you would already have >shut all that down from your checklist, right? > >Ed Moody II - ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:58 AM PST US From: "Charles Wacker" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel pump - gascolator I'm confused, I only recieved one fule pump from Zenith. Should I have received two? My plan was to place the fuel pump after the gascolator on the floor of the cockpit. Chuck Wacker N601CW, quick build Engine installed >From: "Gig Giacona" >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel pump - gascolator >Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 06:52:47 -0800 > > >I had intended to put pumps near the wing roots but after spending the >weekend at William Wynne's Corvair College I'm rethinking that decision. > >He gives a pretty good argument for pumps on the engine side of the >firewall. Namely the idea of having fuel, under pressure, being pumped into >the cockpit if you crash. > >-------- >W.R. "Gig" Giacona >601XL Under Construction >See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74991#74991 > > _________________________________________________________________ Get the latest Windows Live Messenger 8.1 Beta version.Join now. http://ideas.live.com ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:33 AM PST US From: Jack Russell Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel pump - gascolator Charles: We have gone round n round on this subject. Check the archives. Zenith believes that one is fine. Some have place 2 pumps in the wing roots to help with vapor lock and so the fuel doesn't have to be sucked uphill. I used one for simplicity. Mine run from the tanks to a valve and down to the gascolater and then up to the pump and continue up to the engine. Just remember not to have any low points in your lines without drains. Worked for 50 hrs so far. Jack > Jack Russell -Clovis CA 601 XL Jabiru 3300 Progress update at: http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:08 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel pump - gascolator From: "Tim Juhl" The fuel pump supplied by ZAC is a 40105 (2.5 to 4.5 psi I believe.) Your fuel pump requirements are affected somewhat by whether or not your engine choice has a mechanical fuel pump and what pressures the carb can tolerate. I believe that the Corvair has no engine-driven pump. The example I saw at Oshkosh had two electric fuel pumps in series on the firewall. The Continental 0-200 MAY have a engine-driven fuel pump installed....most do not. I'm ignorant of the Rotax set up. The Jabiru 3300 has a engine-driven pump that has been shown to pull at least 18 inches of fuel. Fuel pressure to the Bing carb should be kept below 4 psi making the facet 40104 a better pump choice. You've got a little downhill flow with the XL fuel system. I see a bigger issue with the way the selector valve is plumbed.... I'm tempted to use an extension shaft to keep it at floor level and install a fuel pump on the outside of the lower firewall. The nature of fluids is such that once flow is established whether the pump is pushing or pulling should make little difference. The electric pump is just there to give it a little "boost." Tim -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=75025#75025 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:29 AM PST US From: "Ken Arnold" Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 CFI needed Listers, I have ordered a 701 QB kit due for completion in Feb 2007. I need a CFI endorsed for 701 to make the first flight. I live near Goldsboro, NC. Would appreciate any contacts or suggestions. Regards, Ken Arnold ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:03 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: CH701's and CH2000's to be built in China??? From: "PatrickW" http://english.people.com.cn/200611/08/eng20061108_319307.html I'm not so sure this is a good idea, given my experience with products that have "Made in China" on them. Thoughts...? - PatrickW Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=75032#75032 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:26:51 AM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH701's and CH2000's to be built in China??? 37.5 million for 150 CH200 airplanes. What are they made of Titanium? In a message dated 11/16/2006 2:19:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pwhoyt@yahoo.com writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "PatrickW" http://english.people.com.cn/200611/08/eng20061108_319307.html I'm not so sure this is a good idea, given my experience with products that have "Made in China" on them. Thoughts...? - PatrickW ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:41 AM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: New thread, sticky subject Listers all:=0A=0A A couple of days ago, I watched a History Channel program on glues. After giving the history of glues, going ba ck to Tut's coffin, they then covered modern adhesives (I guess the wo rd glue is outmoded) and related that new commercial airliners have la rge percentages of adhesives bonding components. Interesting stuff. 3- M and the folks who make Loctite showed some pretty neat applications. They showed one demonstration in which galvanized, of about 18 gauge or so, broke before the adhesive could fail. Even more interesting. T hey also referred to the fact that rivets and bolts concentrate the st resses at each point, while adhesive bonding spreads the load over the entire surface of the component. Now, I know that the Grumman AA-1, and, I believe, AA-2, use bonding to hold the wing sheets together. ( I helped an A&P repair a crunched AA-1 wing, and was impressed.) So, here's a thought: While I'd be pretty chicken about bonding main spar s, it might be interesting to try bonding some less stressed pieces. I think some research might be useful, and, of course, some opinions, a s to the feasibility of adhesive bonding in ELSAs. I foresee the proba ble need for some means of applying even squeeze on curved parts, and, probably, some sort of very long pressure force on longer adhesive ru ns. Vacuum bags, anyone?=0A Does anybody know what the operating life of a bond is, with the hi-tech adhesives? Do we know anything ab out the flowability of any of the metal-to-metal bonds? Is there anyth ing out there that has a specific affinity to aluminum? Do we have any knowledge of how long to cure any of the H-T adhesives? How hard do w e gotta squeeze to get permanent bonding? What would be a good place o n a Zenith to try bonding? (my first thought is the interior seams on ailerons, flaps, and wingtips.) Hhhmmmm---Wouldn't a 601 look cool wit h no rivets?=0A LET THE GAMES BEGIN!! =0A=0APaul Rodriguez=0A601XL/Corvair=0ADoomed to wander forev er in the canopy ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:51:51 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New thread, sticky subject Titan is already using adhesive bonding AND rivets. The extra strength of the glue doesn't necessarliy mean that you can't also use rivets. Think about the way RV wing tanks are rivetted and sealed (glued) with ProSeal. Clecos line up the parts, then the rivets provide the clamping while the adhesive sets. Ed Moody II Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 11:58:12 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH701's and CH2000's to be built in China??? $37.5 million divided by 150 airplanes is $250,000 each. Nothing against Zenith or Chris Heintz but If I had a quarter of a million bucks to spend on an airplane, it would definitely not be a CH2000 made in China. There must be something I am missing here. Ed Moody II Do Not Archive ---- PatrickW wrote: > > http://english.people.com.cn/200611/08/eng20061108_319307.html > > I'm not so sure this is a good idea, given my experience with products that have "Made in China" on them. > > Thoughts...? > > - PatrickW ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 12:07:24 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH701's and CH2000's to be built in China??? I have seen excellent products made in China. I have also seen junk. China is a very big place and includes the entire spectrum of humanity and skill. Paul XL fuselage do not archive At 11:17 AM 11/16/2006, you wrote: > >http://english.people.com.cn/200611/08/eng20061108_319307.html > >I'm not so sure this is a good idea, given my experience with >products that have "Made in China" on them. > >Thoughts...? > >- PatrickW > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=75032#75032 > > --------------------------------------------- Paul Mulwitz 32013 NE Dial Road Camas, WA 98607 --------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 12:08:15 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel pump - gascolator Water collects at the low points in your fuel system and the tanks are not the low point. So the drains in your tanks may snag a little water but not all. Place the gascolator at the lowest place and it will catch the most water. I think a fuel system is a bad place to be creative. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 12:14:53 PM PST US From: "george may" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: New thread, sticky subject Paul-- Our EAA chapter just had a presentation on some of the type of adhesives you are asking about. The new breed are called METHYL METHACRYLATES. Checkout www.extremeadhesives.com and you can see some of the characteristics of this stuff. During the presentation this guy applied some of this adhesive to a couple of strips of .032 aluminum. No cleaning, no scuffing, just "glue and clamp. In about twenty minutes we all tried to break the joint without success. The strips were pretty well bent in all direction but the joint was solid. George May 601XL 912s 6 hours >From: >To: "zenith-list" >Subject: Zenith-List: New thread, sticky subject >Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:37:11 -0600 > >Listers all: > > A couple of days ago, I watched a History Channel program on glues. >After giving the history of glues, going back to Tut's coffin, they then >covered modern adhesives (I guess the word glue is outmoded) and related >that new commercial airliners have large percentages of adhesives bonding >components. Interesting stuff. 3-M and the folks who make Loctite showed >some pretty neat applications. They showed one demonstration in which >galvanized, of about 18 gauge or so, broke before the adhesive could fail. >Even more interesting. They also referred to the fact that rivets and bolts >concentrate the stresses at each point, while adhesive bonding spreads the >load over the entire surface of the component. Now, I know that the >Grumman AA-1, and, I believe, AA-2, use bonding to hold the wing sheets >together. (I helped an A&P repair a crunched AA-1 wing, and was impressed.) > So, here's a thought: While I'd be pretty chicken about bonding main >spars, it might be interesting to try bonding some less stressed pieces. I >think some research might be useful, and, of course, some opinions, as to >the feasibility of adhesive bonding in ELSAs. I foresee the probable need >for some means of applying even squeeze on curved parts, and, probably, >some sort of very long pressure force on longer adhesive runs. Vacuum bags, >anyone? > Does anybody know what the operating life of a bond is, with the >hi-tech adhesives? Do we know anything about the flowability of any of the >metal-to-metal bonds? Is there anything out there that has a specific >affinity to aluminum? Do we have any knowledge of how long to cure any of >the H-T adhesives? How hard do we gotta squeeze to get permanent bonding? >What would be a good place on a Zenith to try bonding? (my first thought is >the interior seams on ailerons, flaps, and wingtips.) Hhhmmmm---Wouldn't a >601 look cool with no rivets? > LET THE GAMES BEGIN!! > >Paul Rodriguez >601XL/Corvair >Doomed to wander forever in the canopy _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:03 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums DO NOT ARCHIVE Thanks, would you have any pictures on the layout from Selector to Pump, that is all I would need. JUan in St. Pete 601 xl -----Original Message----- >From: lgingell >Sent: Nov 16, 2006 11:11 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums > > >Apart from whats on my site (pictures), the fuel schematic is purely Zenith XL plans "standard": > >Fuel line from wing tanks, down to fuel selector, out to fuel flow transducer, up firewall to facet fuel pump, through firewall and up to jabiru mechanical fuel pump. > >I don't actually have a diagram of this. > >-------- >Zodiac XL/Jab 3300 >http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=75003#75003 > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 12:28:26 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New thread, sticky subject Hi Paul, I guess you are expecting someone to come along and pop your balloon about substituting glue for rivets on a CH designed metal airplane. I would not want you to be disappointed. While there are indeed many advances in adhesives, there is still no substitute for good engineering. The kits (and plans) we are building are integrated designs which do not lend themselves to major redesign of one part without analyzing the impact on the rest of the parts. Even if the glued joints are stronger than rivets, there is the possibility they will deteriorate very quickly when exposed to real world conditions like heat, vibration, UV light, chemicals, air pollution, and who knows what. My suggestion to you is if you want to glue a plane together then find one of the many wood plane designs or plans for the BD-1 or its brethren. Paul XL fuselage do not archive At 11:37 AM 11/16/2006, you wrote: > Does anybody know what the operating life of a bond is, with the > hi-tech adhesives? Do we know anything about the flowability of any > of the metal-to-metal bonds? Is there anything out there that has a > specific affinity to aluminum? Do we have any knowledge of how long > to cure any of the H-T adhesives? How hard do we gotta squeeze to > get permanent bonding? What would be a good place on a Zenith to > try bonding? (my first thought is the interior seams on ailerons, > flaps, and wingtips.) Hhhmmmm---Wouldn't a 601 look cool with no rivets? ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:41 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums DO NOT ARCHIVE you are a saint if you can send the pics to me. Juan Vega 601 xl -----Original Message----- >From: Craig Payne >Sent: Nov 15, 2006 8:15 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums > > >I have a few pictures of the plumbing of Lance's plane on the pilot's side >of the firewall if he doesn't. > >-- Craig > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:32 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel pump - gascolator William Wynne's design for the Corvair fuel system includes an oil pressure switch which kills the power to the fuel pumps when there is no oil pressure. I hope I will make it through my checklist before I crash but I don't assume it. :-) -- Craig ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:27 PM PST US From: VideoFlyer@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel pump - gascolator In a message dated 11/16/2006, craig@craigandjean.com writes: <<>> Since I'm the one who started this thread, I would have to say...on the one hand, I agree! On the other hand, at this stage of construction/completion, the instructions from Zenith are pretty non-existant. I have had to be pretty "creative" for the last several months while building this plane. This is not a complaint...I've enjoyed it immensely and I have always considered myself a "problem solver." It's not hard to understand why there are no two 601s alike! Everyone solves their problems in slightly different ways. But as I said before, this list has been an excellent source of knowledge and help. Thanks again Dave Harms ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:27 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fiberglass parts. From: "AZFlyer" Dave, If your asking polyester vs epoxy because you plan to add material to the tips, I seem to recall using epoxy when I modified the really poor quality parts supplied. I believe epoxy resin will stick to either, but polyester resin has a hard time with anything except polyester. Rough up the surface before applying, mix in micro-balloons, and when dry, you can shape it to whatever. I can not believe ZAC sends out such poor quality fiberglass parts... Mike -------- Mike Miller @ millrml@aol.com 601 XL, 3300 Remember, "the second mouse gets the cheese"! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=75055#75055 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 02:03:41 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel pump - gascolator From: "Gig Giacona" That is true for the primary pump. WW has the second pump come on when the secondary ignition is activated. craig(at)craigandjean.com wrote: > William Wynne's design for the Corvair fuel system includes an oil pressure > switch which kills the power to the fuel pumps when there is no oil > pressure. I hope I will make it through my checklist before I crash but I > don't assume it. :-) > > -- Craig -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=75060#75060 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:10 PM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: mount call ram performance he can make you a mount .he made me one and it's perfect...he also has 25 years with subaru's and is the best I've seen ,he knows sub. engines it 's Ron @ ramperformance.com N101HD joe ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Flick To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 8:40 AM Subject: Zenith-List: mount looking for cowl and mount for subaru on my 601 HDS. thanks ralph ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 02:21:08 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel pump - gascolator True, which is a strong argument for using one pump as the primary and the other as backup instead of treating both as equals. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:54 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel pump - gascolator Hello Jonathan, If it was my airplane, I will install a gascolator, Fotunate not in any of the engines when flying. But in my motorcycle, a big drop of water in the carburator stoped the engine cold in the middle of heavy trafiic downtown, didnt started until I opened the carburator bowl to clean it. Here in my city. that was more dangerous that gliding down in the ultralight :-) Just another drain to push, 4 seconds for a better flying afternoon :-) Saludos Gary Gower Mexico. Jonathan Starke wrote: Hi Dave, I did NOT fit the Gascolator - also thought is was silly Have two inline filters etc... Just drain the water from the tanks, so far no problems... I fitted the Facet pumps in the wings, next to the tank (Keep the line short etc....) was BAD idea, as my one pump has already stopped working, and because it is not convenient to make a hatch between two ribs that are so close, I didn't - now I have to remove the wing toi fix it... I am also thinking about putting the pumps in the cockpit. You CAN hear the pumps, when installen in the wings in any case, but not with the motor running, so I expect it to be the same! Have flow and taken off without the pumps at all, and no problems, but feel if I have a blocked line/fuel filter, the pumps would save the day! 601XL 47Hrs on the clock and counting (Lovingit!) Jonathan Starke --------------------------------- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of VideoFlyer@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 3:42 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel pump - gascolator I'm mounting my wings and working on my fuel lines (601XL). I was going to put a fuel pump in each wing, right by the tank. But as I look at the whole situation, I'm wondering if it wouldn't easier, and more accessible, to put the Facet fuel pumps inside the cockpit. I know what they sound like....but once the engine is running, I think the click would be unnoticeable. I see installations where the fuel pump is on the firewall, and in the wing....why not in the cockpit? Is the noise the only reason? Also, can someone tell me the purpose of the gascolator? It's a fuel strainer (I already have two other filters in the system) and located properly, it's a good place to drain water from the system ( I can also do that at the tank). Other than these two redundant functions, is there some reason why a gascolator is necessary? Or is it a requirement for the FAA inspection? You can see where I'm going with this.....if it isn't really necessary, why put it in? Thanks for your help. I have learned so much from contributors to this list. It's great! Dave Harms videoflyer@aol.com 601XL/Corvair href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron --------------------------------- Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro-*Terms ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:41 PM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru workshop video Of interest to Zenith builders contemplating a JABIRU engine.. HomebuiltHELP was invited to film a DVD of the recent Jabiru Engine Installation Seminar/workshop earlier this month at JabirUSA in Tenessee.. It is now finished and available for viewing. The 2 day seminar was compressed into 2.5 hrs of the 'important' stuff... This was a fun assignment! Details are available at http://homebuilthelp.com/JabiruSeminar.htm Thanks! ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:38 PM PST US From: "Zodie Rocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel pump - gascolator AS reported earlier, in Canada you MUST have a Gascolator installed in the lowest part of your system and it cannot have a glass bowl! In practice It must be something to do with the Great White North because If I am ever going to see water in my system it will be in my Gascolator. You can check the tanks and have nothing in your cup and yet still get a half cup of water from the collator. Yes it is a glorified screen for particles and I have fine particle screen filters in both wing roots ( in Canada you are not allowed to use paper filters) but it is the action of the fuel bowl that is truly important. For us Canadians we don=92t have an option of omitting the Gascolator, however I would not hop in your plane if you didn=92t have one installed. Guys it is a small thing and I really like the one Vans sell for $78 bucks. This is a small price to pay for a safer fuel system. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. HYPERLINK "mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Gower Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 6:07 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel pump - gascolator Hello Jonathan, If it was my airplane, I will install a gascolator, Fotunate not in any of the engines when flying. But in my motorcycle, a big drop of water in the carburator stoped the engine cold in the middle of heavy trafiic downtown, didnt started until I opened the carburator bowl to clean it. Here in my city. that was more dangerous that gliding down in the ultralight :-) Just another drain to push, 4 seconds for a better flying afternoon :-) Saludos Gary Gower Mexico. Jonathan Starke wrote: Hi Dave, I did NOT fit the Gascolator - also thought is was silly Have two inline filters etc... Just drain the water from the tanks, so far no problems... I fitted the Facet pumps in the wings, next to the tank (Keep the line short etc....) was BAD idea, as my one pump has already stopped working, and because it is not convenient to make a hatch between two ribs that are so close, I didn't - now I have to remove the wing toi fix it... I am also thinking about putting the pumps in the cockpit. You CAN hear the pumps, when installen in the wings in any case, but not with the motor running, so I expect it to be the same! Have flow and taken off without the pumps at all, and no problems, but feel if I have a blocked line/fuel filter, the pumps would save the day! 601XL 47Hrs on the clock and counting (Lovingit!) Jonathan Starke _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of VideoFlyer@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 3:42 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel pump - gascolator I'm mounting my wings and working on my fuel lines (601XL). I was going to put a fuel pump in each wing, right by the tank. But as I look at the whole situation, I'm wondering if it wouldn't easier, and more accessible, to put the Facet fuel pumps inside the cockpit. I know what they sound like....but once the engine is running, I think the click would be unnoticeable. I see installations where the fuel pump is on the firewall, and in the wing....why not in the cockpit? Is the noise the only reason? Also, can someone tell me the purpose of the gascolator? It's a fuel strainer (I already have two other filters in the system) and located properly, it's a good place to drain water from the system ( I can also do that at the tank). Other than these two redundant functions, is there some reason why a gascolator is necessary? Or is it a requirement for the FAA inspection? You can see where I'm going with this.....if it isn't really necessary, why put it in? Thanks for your help. I have learned so much from contributors to this list. It's great! Dave Harms HYPERLINK "mailto:videoflyer@aol.com"videoflyer@aol.com 601XL/Corvair href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com HYPERLINK "https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm= y&s earch=b_rate150k&s=3968&p=5035&disc=y&vers=722"Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - $150,000 loan for $579 a month. 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Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PatrickW > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 3:47 PM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: CH701's and CH2000's to be built in China??? > > > > http://english.people.com.cn/200611/08/eng20061108_319307.html > > I'm not so sure this is a good idea, given my experience with > products that have "Made in China" on them. > > Thoughts...? > > - PatrickW > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=75032#75032 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:12 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Zenith-List: Odyssey PC625 battery dimensions? Does anyone have a PC625 on hand that they can measure? This is the battery Jabiru recommends and apparently the one the Zenith 601XL FWF kit was designed for. But the supplied bracket is 5 mm narrower than the published dimensions of the battery: 165 mm vs. 170 mm. I don't have the battery yet but these are the published dimensions: www.odysseyfactory.com/specs.htm length 170.2 mm, 6.70 inches width 99.1 mm, 3.90 inches height 175.0 mm, 6.89 inches The footnote states "All batteries show with metal jackets, except PC535, PC625, and PC2250". The bracket would also need room for the foam padding shown: www.usjabiru.com/Zenith%20fwf_files/Zenith%20Battery%20Installation.pdf -- Craig ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:40 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Zenith-List: 801 PROP DOES ANYONE KNOW THE MODEL OF PROP THAT ZAC SUPPLIES WITH THE FIREWALL FORWARD KIT? THANK YOU ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:10 PM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel pump - gascolator If you email me your name and address I will give you the one that came with my 601 kit.... I used the one WW recommends for the corvair install and have no use for it. Do not archive Jeff ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:48 PM PST US From: PipercubDream@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru workshop video Hi, Speaking of the Jabiru, does anyone know the performance figures and weight of the 701 with the 3300 installed. Just curious for future reference. Thanks, Ben do not archive ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 04:17:26 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: F9 All- F9 came in today. Didn't have much time to try it, but from what I can see, it works. Nuvite on-line procedure starting with hand rubbing the deep scratches/scuffs is right on. Don't see any way out of at least F9- C- S in progression. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:13 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel pump - gascolator One very important part of flying are the CheckLists... The forced landing check list should include Master OFF (or what ever the builder chose to conect the pumps) to disconect the gasoline pumps in the first part of the "gliding"... Where ever the pumps are, if left on, the gasoline will acumulate in the ground and make a big torch out the plane... No need to be in the cabin... No way to survive the roast either. Upss... Also gasoline shut off valve(s) OFF. Saludos Gary Gower. Gig Giacona wrote: I had intended to put pumps near the wing roots but after spending the weekend at William Wynne's Corvair College I'm rethinking that decision. He gives a pretty good argument for pumps on the engine side of the firewall. Namely the idea of having fuel, under pressure, being pumped into the cockpit if you crash. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74991#74991 --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:39 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel pump - gascolator Check the archives... We have (or used to have) a real expert in fuel pump conections here. He recently built an RV and sold the Zodiac he built, Hope he still monitors the list... We have several real experts here to learn from them if we learn to listed (ups read :-) The electic pump(s) should be in the lowest part of the tank(s) conection(s) to keep them primed. They are not designed to pump air first and gasoline next. Dont believe they are self primed as advertised, dont take the risk. Saludos Gary Gower Charles Wacker wrote: I'm confused, I only recieved one fule pump from Zenith. Should I have received two? My plan was to place the fuel pump after the gascolator on the floor of the cockpit. Chuck Wacker N601CW, quick build Engine installed >From: "Gig Giacona" >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel pump - gascolator >Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 06:52:47 -0800 > > >I had intended to put pumps near the wing roots but after spending the >weekend at William Wynne's Corvair College I'm rethinking that decision. > >He gives a pretty good argument for pumps on the engine side of the >firewall. Namely the idea of having fuel, under pressure, being pumped into >the cockpit if you crash. > >-------- >W.R. "Gig" Giacona >601XL Under Construction >See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74991#74991 > > _________________________________________________________________ Get the latest Windows Live Messenger 8.1 Beta version. Join now. http://ideas.live.com --------------------------------- Mortgage rates near historic lows - Refi $200k loan for only $660/ month - Click now for info ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:25 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New thread, sticky subject Test pilots... A step forward please... :-) Saludos Gary Gower Do not archive. paulrod36@msn.com wrote: Listers all: A couple of days ago, I watched a History Channel program on glues. After giving the history of glues, going back to Tut's coffin, they then covered modern adhesives (I guess the word glue is outmoded) and related that new commercial airliners have large percentages of adhesives bonding components. Interesting stuff. 3-M and the folks who make Loctite showed some pretty neat applications. They showed one demonstration in which galvanized, of about 18 gauge or so, broke before the adhesive could fail Even more interesting. They also referred to the fact that rivets and bolts concentrate the stresses at each point, while adhesive bonding spreads the load over the entire surface of the component. Now, I know that the Grumman AA-1, and, I believe, AA-2, use bonding to hold the wing sheets together. (I helped an A&P repair a crunched AA-1 wing, and was impressed.) So, here's a thought: While I'd be pretty chicken about bonding main spars, it might be interesting to try bonding some less stressed pieces. I think some research might be useful, and, of course, some opinions, as to the feasibility of adhesive bonding in ELSAs. I foresee the probable need for some means of applying even squeeze on curved parts, and, probably, some sort of very long pressure force on longer adhesive runs. Vacuum bags, anyone? Does anybody know what the operating life of a bond is, with the hi-tech adhesives? Do we know anything about the flowability of any of the metal-to-metal bonds? Is there anything out there that has a specific affinity to aluminum? Do we have any knowledge of how long to cure any of the H-T adhesives? How hard do we gotta squeeze to get permanent bonding? What would be a good place on a Zenith to try bonding? (my first thought is the interior seams on ailerons, flaps, and wingtips.) Hhhmmmm---Wouldn't a 601 look cool with no rivets? LET THE GAMES BEGIN!! Paul Rodriguez 601XL/Corvair Doomed to wander forever in the canopy --------------------------------- $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/month - Think You Pay Too Much For Your Mortgage? Find Out! ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:33 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH701's and CH2000's to be built in China??? Most of life time warantyed tools of Craftman are made in China, They wont brake, I have several of them. You can find outside USA and Europe (German tools in the prewar era were first quality world wide, I still have some from my Grandpas tool box) all the spectrum of quality in the products. More specific: Now you pay for what you get exactly. Harbor freight one side, Craftman and Snap On probably on the other side, with 1,000,s of in betwen brands. Saludos Gary Gower. Do not archive, Paul Mulwitz wrote: I have seen excellent products made in China. I have also seen junk. China is a very big place and includes the entire spectrum of humanity and skill. Paul XL fuselage do not archive At 11:17 AM 11/16/2006, you wrote: > >http://english.people.com.cn/200611/08/eng20061108_319307.html > >I'm not so sure this is a good idea, given my experience with >products that have "Made in China" on them. > >Thoughts...? > >- PatrickW > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=75032#75032 > > --------------------------------------------- Paul Mulwitz 32013 NE Dial Road Camas, WA 98607 --------------------------------------------- --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:35 PM PST US From: "Charles Wacker" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Jabiru workshop video John, I just recieved the copy of the video that you made. It is great. I have already used it to jar my memory of the seminar. >From: "Jon Croke" >To: >Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru workshop video >Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:16:54 -0600 > >Of interest to Zenith builders contemplating a JABIRU engine.. > >HomebuiltHELP was invited to film a DVD of the recent Jabiru Engine >Installation Seminar/workshop earlier this month at JabirUSA in Tenessee.. >It is now finished and available for viewing. The 2 day seminar was >compressed into 2.5 hrs of the 'important' stuff... This was a fun >assignment! > >Details are available at http://homebuilthelp.com/JabiruSeminar.htm > >Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ View Athletes Collections with Live Search http://sportmaps.live.com/index.html?source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=MGAC01 ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:03 PM PST US From: ihab.awad@gmail.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New thread, sticky subject On 11/16/06, Paul Mulwitz wrote: > I guess you are expecting someone to come along and pop your balloon > about substituting glue for rivets on a CH designed metal > airplane. I would not want you to be disappointed. Nor would I. ;) One thing adhesives don't do very well is "peel". You don't pull a piece of Scotch tape off a surface parallel to that surface; you peel it off. Peel strengths in the *tens* of pounds per inch are not uncommon for even the strongest adhesives. Once you get that crack through the bondline, you can rip it open pretty easily. So stuff that's bonded needs to be designed that way (usually having anti-peel rivets at the end of the bond lines, etc.). Another problem is ensuring bondline quality. You can't clamp too hard or you starve your joint. You can't clamp too softly or you don't have adequate clampup. You need to prepare the surface well or you end up with voids in your bond from which failures may start. The Moni motorglider used a metal bonded construction in the wings, and there *were* catastrophic and fatal failures due to contamination. John Monnett's newer designs don't use bonding any more. :) Finally, there's the pain in the a** that you have to deal with in planning out the joint construction. (And again, something not designed for bonding most likely has some gotcha in there where part A cannot be glued before part B *and vice versa*.) You need to get every friggin' thing lined up perfectly just right within the working time of your adhesive (usually less than an hour). Think of applying a wing skin that way; it's a pain. In volume production, what people would prefer to do is apply heat curing adhesive tapes. These are stored in the freezer and have an "out time" of a couple weeks to a month. You assemble your parts with the tapes in between and then, when all is ready, you bake the part at any of 250F (low temp) or 350F (high temp). The glue melts, wets out the parts, then solidifies. You have to make sure your oven is of adequate quality to give you a good heat soak for *all* bondlines (even the hidden portions) for the required time without overheating. Hope this helps. Regards, Ihab -- Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA