Today's Message Index:
----------------------
0. 12:42 AM - List Value... (Matt Dralle)
1. 05:07 AM - Re: Odyssey PC625 battery dimensions? (N5SL)
2. 06:22 AM - Off topic: CH701s and CH2000s to be built in China ()
3. 06:42 AM - Maintenance on Bonded Airframes (Dr. Andrew Elliott)
4. 07:20 AM - Adhesives (Al Young)
5. 07:41 AM - Re: Adhesives ()
6. 07:49 AM - Re: New thread, sticky subject (Brandon Tucker)
7. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: New thread, sticky subject ()
8. 09:59 AM - Re: Re: New thread, sticky subject (Wade Jones)
9. 10:22 AM - Re: Adhesives (Bill Steer)
10. 11:08 AM - Re: Adhesives (LarryMcFarland)
11. 11:25 AM - Re: CH701's and CH2000's to be built in China??? ()
12. 11:25 AM - Re: New thread, sticky subject (noel anderson)
13. 11:32 AM - Re: New thread, sticky subject ()
14. 12:01 PM - AAaaaaadhesivesss ()
15. 12:18 PM - Re: AAaaaaadhesivesss (Carlos Sa)
16. 12:58 PM - 701 Floats (Charley Zurian)
17. 02:22 PM - Re: Fuel pump - gascolator (Tim Verthein)
18. 02:46 PM - Re: Re: Fuel pump - gascolator (Robin Bellach)
19. 06:00 PM - Re: 701 amphibous floats (billmileski)
20. 06:10 PM - Re: , sticky subject (John Bolding)
21. 06:26 PM - Re: Re: 701 amphibous floats (John Bolding)
22. 07:16 PM - Fuel system (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
23. 07:29 PM - Re: Re: , sticky subject (Noel Loveys)
24. 07:49 PM - Re: Fuel system (Dino Bortolin)
25. 07:51 PM - Re: New thread, sticky subject (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
26. 07:52 PM - Re: Fuel system (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
27. 07:55 PM - Re: Re: 701 amphibious floats (raymondj)
28. 08:10 PM - N601XT gets airborne... A little... (Brandon Tucker)
29. 08:14 PM - Re: Re: 701 amphibious floats (Zodie Rocket)
30. 08:14 PM - Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums (David X)
31. 08:17 PM - Re: Loss of Jim Pellien in crash of 601VA (David X)
32. 09:06 PM - Re: N601XT gets airborne... A little... (Craig Payne)
33. 11:51 PM - Re: N601XT gets airborne... A little... (TxDave)
Message 0
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least 0 or 0 worth
of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription
to some lame magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at
least that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that same amount
and get a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses?
Come to think of it, you do...
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support YOUR
Lists?
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far
during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively
through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Odyssey PC625 battery dimensions? |
Craig:
You are probably fine. I can't measure mine right now but I can tell you the metal
jacket is more of a box and it can be removed. You can buy the battery without
the jacket and it is cheaper. I removed the metal jacket, drilled some
holes in it and used it as a battery box. Here are some pictures of the installation:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/10_15_05_Battery_Box.JPG
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/10_15_05_Battery_Box2.JPG
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/10_15_05_Battery_Box3.JPG
I hope this clears it up.
Scott Laughlin
Omaha, Nebraska
No progress to report this week.
----- Original Message ----
From: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 5:49:34 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Odyssey PC625 battery dimensions?
Does anyone have a PC625 on hand that they can measure? This is the battery
Jabiru recommends and apparently the one the Zenith 601XL FWF kit was
designed for. But the supplied bracket is 5 mm narrower than the published
dimensions of the battery: 165 mm vs. 170 mm. I don't have the battery yet
but these are the published dimensions:
www.odysseyfactory.com/specs.htm
length 170.2 mm, 6.70 inches
width 99.1 mm, 3.90 inches
height 175.0 mm, 6.89 inches
The footnote states "All batteries show with metal jackets, except PC535,
PC625, and PC2250".
The bracket would also need room for the foam padding shown:
www.usjabiru.com/Zenith%20fwf_files/Zenith%20Battery%20Installation.pdf
-- Craig
$200,000 mortgage for $660/ mo -
30/15 yr fixed, reduce debt -
http://yahoo.ratemarketplace.com
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Off topic: CH701s and CH2000s to be built in China |
A bit of digging on the Zenith site revealed a ready to fly price of $139,000 with
an IFR certified panel according to the site. The story suggesting a value
of $250,000 for the ones that the Chinese company proposes to build seems to
be eitehr inflated or simply an error. One would think that with their less absurd
product liability situation and no unions to deal with the selling price
is likely to be less when they come to the market.
Ed Moody II
Do Not Archive
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Maintenance on Bonded Airframes |
Gang:
I recently sold a 38-year-old AA-1 that had seen some pretty hard use.
There were no major debondings over its lifetime, even though it came
out of the factory at $6995 and had a very short expected life. However
there were some minor debondings which were easily fixed or patched with
the specified glues. Recall that the AA-X series fuselages are a bonded
*honeycomb* structure, while the wings are normal aluminum. Except for
one year where the factory got bad glue (the "purple" glue), there has
never been any history of airframe problems with this construction
method.
However, for us OBAM builders, I propose that it is much easier to
inspect, maintain and modify regular riveted construction by a long
shot! Most importantly, you can *disassemble* a riveted structure for
maintenance, repair or enhancement. Not possible with a bonded
structure. Once it's closed, it's closed!
Finally, I mention that factory bonded structures are produced in a
carefully controlled environment, usually with significant heat and
pressure applied to the joints with special jigs and other devices.
These are out of reach of most home builders. A good comparison would
be between the moldless sandwich fiberglass construction used in the
Eze's and the vacuum-bagged, oven-cured parts used in the Glasairs.
Huge difference in design parameters and methods.
FWIW,
Andy Elliott
N601GE (601XL/TD, Corvair, building...)
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Can someone suggest a locally available adhesive for use in bonding the
rubber canopy seals to the front and rear of the XL canopy?
Thanks in advance
Al Young
N601AY
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
I believe (haven't done it yet myself) that someone on the list recommended a silicon
adhesive like Dow Corning Silicon Adhesive.
Ed Moody II
---- Al Young <armyret@mchsi.com> wrote:
> Can someone suggest a locally available adhesive for use in bonding the rubber
canopy seals to the front and rear of the XL canopy?
> Thanks in advance
> Al Young
> N601AY
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: New thread, sticky subject |
There is an all aluminum sailplane design that bonds the aluminum skins to aluminum
ribs. I cannot remember the name of the aircraft, but will put in an e-mail
to the guy who built it. It is a pretty light plane, probably less than 700
gross. The wing has a ridiculous number of ribs - over 30, if memory serves.
This technology has been there for years, but small plane designers are either
still building the same old thing, the same old way (Cessna), or moving over
to composites.
It is a bright and shiny day here in San Diego, and I have an aircraft that
is ready to fly... Here goes nothing!
R/
Brandon Tucker
First flight today! -Maybe...
---------------------------------
$200,000 mortgage for $660/mo - 30/15 yr fixed, reduce debt, home equity - Click
now for info
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: New thread, sticky subject |
Good luck and keep us posted.
Ed Moody II
Do Not Archive
---- Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com> wrote:
> First flight today! -Maybe...
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: New thread, sticky subject |
Hello Brandon ,good luck on your test flight . Are you going to fly from
Oceanside Ca . If so please contact me off list ,my daughter has a
bussiness just next door and is interested in your flight . Thanks Wade
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: Brandon Tucker
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:49 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: New thread, sticky subject
There is an all aluminum sailplane design that bonds the aluminum
skins to aluminum ribs. I cannot remember the name of the aircraft, but
will put in an e-mail to the guy who built it. It is a pretty light
plane, probably less than 700 gross. The wing has a ridiculous number
of ribs - over 30, if memory serves. This technology has been there for
years, but small plane designers are either still building the same old
thing, the same old way (Cessna), or moving over to composites.
It is a bright and shiny day here in San Diego, and I have an
aircraft that is ready to fly... Here goes nothing!
R/
Brandon Tucker
First flight today! -Maybe...
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
There's lots of information in the archives on this. The most popular
one seems to be Poly-Zap, which is available at hobby shops.
Bill
Can someone suggest a locally available adhesive for use in bonding
the rubber canopy seals to the front and rear of the XL canopy?
Thanks in advance
Al Young
N601AY
Message 10
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Al,
I used PolyZap which is similar to crazy glue. Terrific adhesion. Use a
drop every inch being careful not to let it get above the overlapping
rubber on the canopy.
Larry McFarland at www.macsmachine.com
Al Young wrote:
> Can someone suggest a locally available adhesive for use in bonding
> the rubber canopy seals to the front and rear of the XL canopy?
> Thanks in advance
> Al Young
> N601AY
> *
> ===========================
>
> *
Message 11
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: CH701's and CH2000's to be built in China??? |
At $250,000 per copy?? I hereby offer to underbid China by $50,000 e
ach.. And I'll even throw in whitewalls!!!!!!=0A=0APaul Rodrigue
z=0ADO NOT ARCHIVE=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From
: NYTerminat@aol.com<mailto:NYTerminat@aol.com> =0A To: zenith-lis
t@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com> =0A Sent: Thursd
ay, November 16, 2006 1:26 PM=0A Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH701's
and CH2000's to be built in China???=0A=0A=0A 37.5 million
for 150 CH200 airplanes. What are they made of Titanium?=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A In a message dated 11/16/2006 2:19:01 P.M. Eastern
Standard Time, pwhoyt@yahoo.com<mailto:pwhoyt@yahoo.com> writes:
<mailto:pwhoyt@yahoo.com>>=0A=0A http://english.people.com.cn
/200611/08/eng20061108_319307.html<http://english.people.com.cn/200611
/08/eng20061108_319307.html>=0A=0A I'm not so sure this is a
good idea, given my experience with products that have "Made in China"
on them. =0A=0A Thoughts...?=0A=0A - PatrickW
=======================
=======================
ttp://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contribu
=======================
= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List<http://www.ma
=======================
=======================
======0A=0A
Message 12
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: New thread, sticky subject |
Hello Team.
Vacuum Bags are used in the marine industry, for laminated
pannels both timber and composite. (America's Cup boats) I see no reason
why the same method should not work with metal structures. A quick
google may turn up some info, which I'll do tonight. I have been
thinking about this method for my own project, for skinning the wings
with ply!! ( I have no sheet metal skills)
Regards to all. Noel
----- Original Message -----
From: paulrod36@msn.com
To: zenith-list
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 8:37 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: New thread, sticky subject
Listers all:
A couple of days ago, I watched a History Channel program on
glues. After giving the history of glues, going back to Tut's coffin,
they then covered modern adhesives (I guess the word glue is outmoded)
and related that new commercial airliners have large percentages of
adhesives bonding components. Interesting stuff. 3-M and the folks who
make Loctite showed some pretty neat applications. They showed one
demonstration in which galvanized, of about 18 gauge or so, broke before
the adhesive could fail Even more interesting. They also referred to
the fact that rivets and bolts concentrate the stresses at each point,
while adhesive bonding spreads the load over the entire surface of the
component. Now, I know that the Grumman AA-1, and, I believe, AA-2,
use bonding to hold the wing sheets together. (I helped an A&P repair a
crunched AA-1 wing, and was impressed.) So, here's a thought: While
I'd be pretty chicken about bonding main spars, it might be interesting
to try bonding some less stressed pieces. I think some research might be
useful, and, of course, some opinions, as to the feasibility of adhesive
bonding in ELSAs. I foresee the probable need for some means of applying
even squeeze on curved parts, and, probably, some sort of very long
pressure force on longer adhesive runs. Vacuum bags, anyone?
Does anybody know what the operating life of a bond is, with the
hi-tech adhesives? Do we know anything about the flowability of any of
the metal-to-metal bonds? Is there anything out there that has a
specific affinity to aluminum? Do we have any knowledge of how long to
cure any of the H-T adhesives? How hard do we gotta squeeze to get
permanent bonding? What would be a good place on a Zenith to try
bonding? (my first thought is the interior seams on ailerons, flaps, and
wingtips.) Hhhmmmm---Wouldn't a 601 look cool with no rivets?
LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!
Paul Rodriguez
601XL/Corvair
Doomed to wander forever in the canopy
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
15/11/2006
Message 13
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: New thread, sticky subject |
Right, Paul W, I'm "what-if-ing", and it'll probably be quite a while
before we whip out the glue tube after inventorying parts. I'd like to
see what happens after several years in hostile atmosphere, but it's
fun to speculate, and maybe do a tillt research where it won't matter.
A long time ago, a friend and I brainstormed on electric-setting glue
Just zap it with a few volts, and voila, a bond. We just haven't fi
gured out what happens if you fly into a thunderstorm. (hey, didn't I
have two wings before that lighting flash?)=0A=0APaul Rodriguez
=0ADo not archive=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From:
Paul Mulwitz<mailto:p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net> =0A To: zenith-li
st@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com> =0A Sent: Thurs
day, November 16, 2006 2:28 PM=0A Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New th
read, sticky subject=0A=0A=0A --> Zenith-List message posted
by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net<mailto:p.mulwitz@worldne
t.att.net>>=0A=0A Hi Paul,=0A=0A I guess you are expecti
ng someone to come along and pop your balloon =0A about substituti
ng glue for rivets on a CH designed metal =0A airplane. I would n
ot want you to be disappointed.=0A=0A While there are indeed ma
ny advances in adhesives, there is still no =0A substitute for goo
d engineering. The kits (and plans) we are =0A building are integ
rated designs which do not lend themselves to major =0A redesign o
f one part without analyzing the impact on the rest of the parts.
=0A=0A Even if the glued joints are stronger than rivets, there is
the =0A possibility they will deteriorate very quickly when expos
ed to real =0A world conditions like heat, vibration, UV light, ch
emicals, air =0A pollution, and who knows what.=0A=0A My su
ggestion to you is if you want to glue a plane together then =0A f
ind one of the many wood plane designs or plans for the BD-1 or its br
ethren.=0A=0A Paul=0A XL fuselage=0A do not archive
=0A=0A=0A At 11:37 AM 11/16/2006, you wrote:=0A > Does any
body know what the operating life of a bond is, with the =0A > hi-
tech adhesives? Do we know anything about the flowability of any
=0A > of the metal-to-metal bonds? Is there anything out there that h
as a =0A > specific affinity to aluminum? Do we have any knowledge
of how long =0A > to cure any of the H-T adhesives? How hard do w
e gotta squeeze to =0A > get permanent bonding? What would be a go
od place on a Zenith to =0A > try bonding? (my first thought is th
e interior seams on ailerons, =0A > flaps, and wingtips.) Hhhmmmm-
=======================
=======================
eroElectric www.aeroelectric.com<http://www.aeroelectric.com/>=0A
w.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
=======================
=======================
=======================
===========0A=0A=0A=0A
Message 14
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | AAaaaaadhesivesss |
Thanks to everybody who has, or is about to, chime in. Good, thoughtfu
l comments. It may still be somewhat beyond our homebuilding capabilit
ies, but I expect that somebody out there will figure a home-brewed wa
y to do it. One of these days we'll get a crate of parts and several
tubes of polychlorograbfast, and we'll be off and running. And, with
the yet-to-be-developed solvent, be able to disassemble anything that
needs upgrading or repair.=0A=0APaul Rodriguez=0A601XL/Corvai
r=0A=0ADo not archive
Message 15
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: AAaaaaadhesivesss |
FYI, the Titan T-51 is built with rivets and structural adhesive:
http://www.titanaircraft.com/
http://www.titanaircraft.com/files/T-51_Brochure_e_on-line.pdf
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
Montreal, Canada
On 17/11/06, paulrod36@msn.com <paulrod36@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks to everybody who has, or is about to, chime in. Good, thoughtful
> comments. It may still be somewhat beyond our homebuilding capabilities, but
> I expect that somebody out there will figure a home-brewed way to do it.
> One of these days we'll get a crate of parts and several tubes of
> polychlorograbfast, and we'll be off and running. And, with the
> yet-to-be-developed solvent, be able to disassemble anything that needs
> upgrading or repair.
>
> Paul Rodriguez
> 601XL/Corvair
>
Message 16
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
If anyone is interested in taking a shot at developing foam and
fiberglass floats for a 701, contact me off the list! I have a few
ideas....
Charley
cz@transfx.com
Message 17
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Fuel pump - gascolator |
Wow! Something I have a *little* experience with anyway....
The Facet fuel pumps are the same as Purolator fuel pumps (I'm not sure
if it was a name change or company buy out or what) and they are often
used on Corvair CARS. Oddly, I come from a household full of
Corvairs..I drive a '64, my son has a '65. We drive 'em every day, and
also autocross them. In the Corvair *car* world....
These fuel pumps are way better at PUSHING fuel, rather than pulling
it, hence the car guys generally mount their pumps at the crossmember
right under the fuel tank at the front of the car (the engine is in the
back, remember) and it pushes fuel the car length to the carbs in back.
Most of us then use a regulator to keep the pressure around 3-4.
And *most* car guys install TWO important safety items....a switch that
shuts it off in case of impact, AND a oil pressure switch that shuts it
off when the pressure drops when the engine quits, so it dosen't keep
on pumping gas in an accident situation, or should you let the car idle
to warm up on a 20 below zero winter morning...have it stall while you
run in for more coffee, and pump gas all over.
The pumps are noisy..the clicking takes some getting used to, but as
has been mentioned, in a plane, with the engine running you probably
can't hear them no matter where you mount them, but in the CAR with it
mounted right under the front passenger floor, you can hear it all the
time! I like to think of it as an audible failure alert system.
Oh..and having had a lot of experience with these pumps...when one
conks out, it can often be brought back to life just by tapping on it.
Not handy in a plane, but when your Corvair conks out on the side of
the road, it can get ya going again! Personally, I carry a spare in
the car.
Tim in Bovey
Rudder done (at the workshop)
Saving up to order the rest of the tail
Building a workbench
==
You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor!
==
Message 18
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Fuel pump - gascolator |
Which pump do you use?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Verthein" <minoxphotographer@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:20 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel pump - gascolator
> <minoxphotographer@yahoo.com>
>
> Wow! Something I have a *little* experience with anyway....
>
> The Facet fuel pumps are the same as Purolator fuel pumps (I'm not sure
> if it was a name change or company buy out or what) and they are often
> used on Corvair CARS. Oddly, I come from a household full of
> Corvairs..I drive a '64, my son has a '65. We drive 'em every day, and
> also autocross them. In the Corvair *car* world....
>
> These fuel pumps are way better at PUSHING fuel, rather than pulling
> it, hence the car guys generally mount their pumps at the crossmember
> right under the fuel tank at the front of the car (the engine is in the
> back, remember) and it pushes fuel the car length to the carbs in back.
> Most of us then use a regulator to keep the pressure around 3-4.
>
> And *most* car guys install TWO important safety items....a switch that
> shuts it off in case of impact, AND a oil pressure switch that shuts it
> off when the pressure drops when the engine quits, so it dosen't keep
> on pumping gas in an accident situation, or should you let the car idle
> to warm up on a 20 below zero winter morning...have it stall while you
> run in for more coffee, and pump gas all over.
>
> The pumps are noisy..the clicking takes some getting used to, but as
> has been mentioned, in a plane, with the engine running you probably
> can't hear them no matter where you mount them, but in the CAR with it
> mounted right under the front passenger floor, you can hear it all the
> time! I like to think of it as an audible failure alert system.
> Oh..and having had a lot of experience with these pumps...when one
> conks out, it can often be brought back to life just by tapping on it.
> Not handy in a plane, but when your Corvair conks out on the side of
> the road, it can get ya going again! Personally, I carry a spare in
> the car.
>
> Tim in Bovey
>
> Rudder done (at the workshop)
> Saving up to order the rest of the tail
> Building a workbench
>
> ==
> You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor!
> ==
>
>
>
Message 19
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: 701 amphibous floats |
A couple years ago I flew a 701 at Skyshops in Fla, that had Czech four-wheel amphib
floats on it. This was from a grass field. Landing, takeoff, and handling
on water, with two people, was impressive. The installation had been redesigned
to be more like a traditional float plane, and the looks and performance
were teriffic. I'm pretty sure this package is still available and I think still
in the 8K range. They would be my first choice.
Bill M
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=75367#75367
Message 20
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: , sticky subject |
Re: Adhesive for alum:
I repaired a couple of wing tanks on my RV3 a couple of yrs ago, I built
these tanks in the mid 70's and used Proseal and rivets. When taking
them apart I drilled out the rivets and intended to just pop the parts
loose from each other. NOT!!
The alum would TEAR (025 and032) before the proseal let go, I was amazed
at the peel strength of the stuff. This airplane has over 2000 hrs and
is painted brown so it gets pretty warm in the Texas sun sitting on the
beach. I live (RWJ Airpark) less than a mile from salt water and 10
miles from the largest refinery in the country so it gets plenty of
humidity and pollution.
I have no clue what point I'm trying to make other than if I had to
build an alum airplane and use no rivets I would vote for Proseal or one
of it's cousins. It's also a LOT of fun to put on.
LOW&SLOW John
Message 21
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: 701 amphibous floats |
Bill,
I flew that airplane also and was also impressed. I talked to Grant
Rappe (Skyshops demo pilot with a LOT of 701/amphib time) at LENGTH and
he brought up a point I had not thought of which convinced me to go with
the 3 wheel combo and the tundra tire on the front. He pointed out that
the front wheels on the 4 wheel floats are small enough to be almost
useless in beaching the aircraft on anything other than a hard surface
ramp. They bury themselves.
My intended use is a LOT of operation off/on the beach so I went with
the 3 wheel version. LOW&SLOW John
From: billmileski
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:59 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 amphibous floats
<mileski@sonalysts.com>
A couple years ago I flew a 701 at Skyshops in Fla, that had Czech
four-wheel amphib floats on it. This was from a grass field. Landing,
takeoff, and handling on water, with two people, was impressive. The
installation had been redesigned to be more like a traditional float
plane, and the looks and performance were teriffic. I'm pretty sure
this package is still available and I think still in the 8K range. They
would be my first choice.
Bill M
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=75367#75367
Message 22
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Does anyone have a diagram of the dual coil dual pump wiringfor the corvair.
I saw one on someone's site and can't for the life of me find it now. I do
remember it said WW thought it was pretty neat and it uses 2 batteries.
Any help would be appreciated.
Jeff
do not archive
Message 23
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: , sticky subject |
You would still need the rivets to hold the parts together while the
Proseal
set up...
A lot of fun to put on???? Lets be honest here.... Proseal would give
dirt
a good name. Make sure you never touch it wet or you will find it
smeared
over half the country ;-)
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Bolding
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 10:38 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: , sticky subject
Re: Adhesive for alum:
I repaired a couple of wing tanks on my RV3 a couple of yrs ago, I built
these tanks in the mid 70's and used Proseal and rivets. When taking
them
apart I drilled out the rivets and intended to just pop the parts loose
from each other. NOT!!
The alum would TEAR (025 and032) before the proseal let go, I was amazed
at
the peel strength of the stuff. This airplane has over 2000 hrs and is
painted brown so it gets pretty warm in the Texas sun sitting on the
beach.
I live (RWJ Airpark) less than a mile from salt water and 10 miles from
the
largest refinery in the country so it gets plenty of humidity and
pollution.
I have no clue what point I'm trying to make other than if I had to
build an
alum airplane and use no rivets I would vote for Proseal or one of it's
cousins. It's also a LOT of fun to put on.
LOW&SLOW John
Message 24
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Mark Langford pioneered this setup on his KR2S. His site is probably the one
you're thinking of. http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/electrical/index.html
WW's 601 is similar. He uses an oil pressure switch on the "main" side to
shut the fuel pump off in a crash. I think he has a single battery.
On 11/17/06, Afterfxllc@aol.com <Afterfxllc@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a diagram of the dual coil dual pump wiringfor the
> corvair. I saw one on someone's site and can't for the life of me find it
> now. I do remember it said WW thought it was pretty neat and it uses 2
> batteries.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Jeff
> do not archive
>
> *
> *
>
>
Message 25
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: New thread, sticky subject |
I don't know I think it would be kinda fun taking off in a glued together
601.... If you did somehow manage to get it airborne and got some altitude and
speed up you could wait for the last piece to fall off then parachute back to
earth ... providing you didn't glue your parachute together.....come to think
of it........
If you dont want to see rivets buck them
Do not archive
In a message dated 11/16/2006 3:29:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Paul,
I guess you are expecting someone to come along and pop your balloon
about substituting glue for rivets on a CH designed metal
airplane. I would not want you to be disappointed.
While there are indeed many advances in adhesives, there is still no
Substitute for good engineering. The kits (and plans) we are
building are integrated designs which do not lend themselves to major
redesign of one part without analyzing the impact on the rest of the parts.
Even if the glued joints are stronger than rivets, there is the
possibility they will deteriorate very quickly when exposed to real
world conditions like heat, vibration, UV light, chemicals, air
pollution, and who knows what.
My suggestion to you is if you want to glue a plane together then
find one of the many wood plane designs or plans for the BD-1 or its
brethren.
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 11:37 AM 11/16/2006, you wrote:
> Does anybody know what the operating life of a bond is, with the
> hi-tech adhesives? Do we know anything about the flowability of any
> of the metal-to-metal bonds? Is there anything out there that has a
> specific affinity to aluminum? Do we have any knowledge of how long
> to cure any of the H-T adhesives? How hard do we gotta squeeze to
> get permanent bonding? What would be a good place on a Zenith to
> try bonding? (my first thought is the interior seams on ailerons,
> flaps, and wingtips.) Hhhmmmm---Wouldn't a 601 look cool with no rivets?
Message 26
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Thats it thank you very much.
do not archive
Message 27
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: 701 amphibious floats |
To both gentlemen who flew the 701 with floats. I am having trouble getting
the math to work out on the configurations you are describing.
Gross WT 1100
-1150 lb amphib floats 136
-1/2 fuel 65
-empty WT 580
--------
remaining capacity 319
I think the numbers above are optimistic. What am I missing?
Ray J.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Bolding
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 8:24 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 amphibous floats
Bill,
I flew that airplane also and was also impressed. I talked to Grant Rappe
(Skyshops demo pilot with a LOT of 701/amphib time) at LENGTH and he brought
up a point I had not thought of which convinced me to go with the 3 wheel
combo and the tundra tire on the front. He pointed out that the front wheels
on the 4 wheel floats are small enough to be almost useless in beaching the
aircraft on anything other than a hard surface ramp. They bury themselves.
My intended use is a LOT of operation off/on the beach so I went with the
3 wheel version. LOW&SLOW John
From: billmileski
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:59 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 amphibous floats
A couple years ago I flew a 701 at Skyshops in Fla, that had Czech
four-wheel amphib floats on it. This was from a grass field. Landing,
takeoff, and handling on water, with two people, was impressive. The
installation had been redesigned to be more like a traditional float plane,
and the looks and performance were teriffic. I'm pretty sure this package
is still available and I think still in the 8K range. They would be my first
choice.
Bill M
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=75367#75367
http://www.matronics.com/c Thank you for your generous
-Matt Dralle, List nbsp; Features Subscriptions
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron====
=================
Message 28
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | N601XT gets airborne... A little... |
Gents,
Thanks for the on and off list words of encouragement. I battled a few
issues this morning, but finally got her more than 20' off the runway. First,
the "never used" radio that I paid several hundred bucks for was not transmitting
properly. I swapped it out with the $200 ebay radio, and was good to go.
Then, I battled a carburetor issue for a couple hours with more taxi tests.
I have a homemade mixture gage installed, so I could see that I was getting very
lean at full throttle. I did not have quite enough movement on the mixture
knob, leaning out at higher power settings with the knob at full rich. (The
Aerocarb has a simple needle valve for mixture control, which varies at different
power settings.) I got her airborne, but only to the downwind, as I was
getting some excessively high oil temperatures. I climbed to pattern altitude,
and just came around for landing. Using my laser temperature pointer, I found
that the sender is off by quite a bit, and the
oil temp was actually around 200 deg. If I can make it to the airport tomorrow,
I will fix the probe issues and get some real testing done.
I don't have much to report on performance. I was only getting 2800 RPM
on takeoff, yielding 800 - 1000 FPM on the Corvair with a Warp Drive set at 9.5
deg at the tip. I will probably drop down to 9 deg to try to get the RPMs
up a bit. The chromoly rings don't have a lot of run-in time, so that is probably
not helping much.
-Yup. It had a heavy left wing too...
-No pictures yet. I'll send some along when I get some.
R/
Brandon Tucker
---------------------------------
Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr - MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Associate - Click
now to apply
Message 29
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: 701 amphibious floats |
Typically, you are allowed to add 100lbs to your gross due to the float
being considered a self lifting body. So your 701 will have an
acceptable Gross of 1200lbs. Also I prefer the 3 wheeled version on the
701if you are ever going on grass. The castering nose wheels of the 4
wheeled floats need to be under speed to turn on pavement, grass is just
a pain in the tuckus (ass)
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
HYPERLINK
"mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com
HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of raymondj
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 10:55 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: 701 amphibious floats
To both gentlemen who flew the 701 with floats. I am having trouble
getting the math to work out on the configurations you are describing.
Gross WT 1100
-1150 lb amphib floats 136
-1/2 fuel 65
-empty WT 580
--------
remaining capacity 319
I think the numbers above are optimistic. What am I missing?
Ray J.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Bolding
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 amphibous floats
Bill,
I flew that airplane also and was also impressed. I talked to Grant
Rappe (Skyshops demo pilot with a LOT of 701/amphib time) at LENGTH and
he brought up a point I had not thought of which convinced me to go with
the 3 wheel combo and the tundra tire on the front. He pointed out that
the front wheels on the 4 wheel floats are small enough to be almost
useless in beaching the aircraft on anything other than a hard surface
ramp. They bury themselves.
My intended use is a LOT of operation off/on the beach so I went with
the 3 wheel version. LOW&SLOW John
From: HYPERLINK "mailto:mileski@sonalysts.com"billmileski
"mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com"zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:59 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 amphibous floats
"mailto:mileski@sonalysts.com"mileski@sonalysts.com>
A couple years ago I flew a 701 at Skyshops in Fla, that had Czech
four-wheel amphib floats on it. This was from a grass field. Landing,
takeoff, and handling on water, with two people, was impressive. The
installation had been redesigned to be more like a traditional float
plane, and the looks and performance were teriffic. I'm pretty sure
this package is still available and I think still in the 8K range. They
would be my first choice.
Bill M
Read this topic online here:
HYPERLINK
"http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=75367#75367"http://forums.m
atronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=75367#75367
<BNBSP;&NBSP;&NBSP;&NBSP;&NBSP;
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" http://www.matronics.com/c
Thank you for your generous bsp; -Matt Dralle, List
nbsp; Features Subscriptions
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron
=====================
href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com
href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com
href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com
href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ch
ref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron
"http://www.aeroelectric.com"www.aeroelectric.com
"http://www.buildersbooks.com"www.buildersbooks.com
"http://www.kitlog.com"www.kitlog.com
"http://www.homebuilthelp.com"www.homebuilthelp.com
"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribu
tion
"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?Zenith-List
--
11/16/2006
--
No virus found in this outgoing message.
11/16/2006
Message 30
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Zodiac Crash Discussion on AOPA forums |
Jim Pellien's obituary is here: http://www.legacy.com/washingtonpost/DeathNotices.asp?Page=SearchResults&txtLastName=Pellien
--------
Zodiac 601 XL - CZAW Built - Rotax 912S
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=75386#75386
Message 31
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Loss of Jim Pellien in crash of 601VA |
Jim Pellien's obituary is here: http://www.legacy.com/washingtonpost/DeathNotices.asp?Page=SearchResults&txtLastName=Pellien
Still nothing from NTSB.
In lieu of flowers, contributions may be made in his name to the Sky Bryce Airport,
c/o Sally Montrey, General Manager, Bryce Resort, P.O. Box 3, Basye, VA 22810.
--------
Zodiac 601 XL - CZAW Built - Rotax 912S
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=75389#75389
Message 32
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | N601XT gets airborne... A little... |
Congratulations!
The "laser" thermometers are not terribly accurate either and also depend on
the thermal emissivity of what you point them at. Although it may be
impractical right now it would be better to calibrate the oil temp sender in
a pan of hot oil on a stove with a good thermometer.
How did the Stratomaster perform?
-- Craig
Message 33
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: N601XT gets airborne... A little... |
Congratulations Brandon. Must have been a real thrill. Let us know how the oil
temp issue turns out.
do not archive
Dave Clay
http://www.daves601xl.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=75398#75398
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|