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1. 04:06 AM - Re: FW: [CH601XL] Re: Jim Pellien lost in 601XL crash (Juan Vega)
2. 04:33 AM - Re: FW: [CH601XL] Re: Jim Pellien lost in 601XL crash (Kelly Meiste)
3. 05:26 AM - Fuel System (Zodie Rocket)
4. 05:34 AM - 601 Flying Story (N5SL)
5. 06:03 AM - Re: Sensitive Elevator (Dave Austin)
6. 06:08 AM - Re: Sensitive Elevator (Carlos Sa)
7. 09:06 AM - Re: 601 Flying Story (Tim Juhl)
8. 09:53 AM - Re: Fuel Check (Tim Juhl)
9. 03:55 PM - Re: Re: Fresh Air (Trainnut01@aol.com)
10. 04:01 PM - Re: Bonnets (Bill Naumuk)
11. 09:53 PM - Re: Re: Fresh Air (Brandon Tucker)
12. 10:06 PM - Re: Fuel System (Brandon Tucker)
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| Subject: | Re: FW: [CH601XL] Re: Jim Pellien lost in 601XL crash |
to all,
I would suggest a new fuel dip stick that is out that works nicely, you actually
customize it to the plane by meusring the guage as you fill the tank. you
start it out with the tank empty, then mesaure and mark on a cardbaord grid where
the mark is for each gallon added, pretty accurate. look for it in the local
flight store.
Option two is weld (with no gas in tank) a tab marker like in other GA aircraft,
indicating five, and ten gallons or what ever. I have done so in past by filling
the tank with water (hose) to plane removed, and measured different points
in tank with welded mark on filler cap.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
>Sent: Nov 21, 2006 10:36 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: FW: [CH601XL] Re: Jim Pellien lost in 601XL crash
>
>
>Chris Heintz added the wing tanks. Its hard to use a sight gauge on them.
>
>-- Craig
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FW: [CH601XL] Re: Jim Pellien lost in 601XL crash |
Agreed, that's why many 601's will run wing tanks, and the small header tank
(with visual sight gauge).
Kelly
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 9:36 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: FW: [CH601XL] Re: Jim Pellien lost in 601XL crash
>
> Chris Heintz added the wing tanks. Its hard to use a sight gauge on them.
>
> -- Craig
>
>
>
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In the end we are all individually responsible for our fuel system, this
is just a poor excuse for landing your plane with the big fan not
turning. As for fuel gauges, I don't ever remember a plane in which the
float system ever worked which is why I have installed a capacitance
sender in my fuel system. IS it better and more reliable? I'll let you
know in 10-15 years. As for the header tanks, don't kid yourself here
they came with there own series of problems. One big one is my aversion
to having fuel stored in my lap ( personal preference) the other is how
many people landed without fuel because they trusted the visual sight
tube which has become kinked or rotted and plugged out of view and
drained the fuel into the cabin during a bumpy ride. Another is the
valve started leaking at the bottom of the tank once again emptying fuel
into the cabin. These things have happened and to very experienced
pilots in 601's all of which were avoidable with regular maintenance.
Nevertheless, it still happened. The fuel system in the wings I believe
to be the safest system for the occupants of the plane. I'm writing this
for the new builders who may think that a header tank is a great thing
and can't understand why we don't have one ( which is a private question
I got) In short the answer is Been there, done that, threw it away! Some
people argue the merits of a header tank and there can be some I don't
argue that point but for the masses the better system is the wing tanks
with proper amount of fuel plus reserve for every flight. Also If you
have ever been trapped on the Taxi way with full fuel holding short for
20 minutes on a 90 degree day you will learn in one foul swoop to hate a
header tank. Venting fuel vapours into the cabin and also have several
idea's form into your head on how to topple the Tower responsible for
your dilemma. Best I could come up with was repeat triple for
instructions, poor revenge for my green skin.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
Meiste
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: FW: [CH601XL] Re: Jim Pellien lost in 601XL
crash
<kellymeiste@jcwifi.com>
Agreed, that's why many 601's will run wing tanks, and the small header
tank
(with visual sight gauge).
Kelly
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 9:36 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: FW: [CH601XL] Re: Jim Pellien lost in 601XL
crash
<craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> Chris Heintz added the wing tanks. Its hard to use a sight gauge on
them.
>
> -- Craig
>
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>
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11/21/2006
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| Subject: | 601 Flying Story |
Hi Guys:
A while back I located a builder in Atlanta on a business trip and visited his
project in his basement. It was Ron DeWees. I was amazed at his building skills
and how clever he was. Ron is a great guy and took the time to show me his
project along with plenty of tips and tricks.
I've been following Ron's flying adventures on the Yahoo 601 list and it's always
fun to hear his stories. This morning I read a good one from Ron and decided
to share it with the Matronics group. I'm glad to hear Ron is OK and landed
safely. I posted some pictures of Ron's plane and a video of his first flight
on my website at:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/RonDeWees/Ron.html
Enjoy the story below,
Scott Laughlin
Omaha, Nebraska
www.cooknwithgas.com
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It's getting easier to tell the story since it occured almost 2 weeks
ago now. I guess all's well that ends well and you are hearing this
from me and not an FAA accident report so you know it came out ok.
A couple of Thursday's ago I flew my little 601HDS up to eat lunch
with a friend of mine in Cornelia, Ga. The day was beautiful and the
flight up was uneventful. When I got back in the plane to come back
to Lenora International I decided it might be fun to fly over my cabin
which is just across the state line in NC. I flew NW from Habersham
airport toward NC.
I was about 20 miles from anywhere, but over the highest mountains
in Georgia when I saw what I thought might be a drop of oil on the
windshield. I went into denial mode and didn't believe it till I saw
a couple more drops
of oil. I was at 6500 feet and the the mountains were only 1000 feet
below me. I punched the GPS for nearest airport and it gave vectors
for Blairsville but it was over 15 miles away. There was NO place to
land. I have never seen such desolation and heavily treed terrain. I
kept seeing the droplets appear and then saw the oil pressure gauge
start to unwind. I called Atl Center on 121.5 to let them know I was
having a problem and didn't know if I would make it to Blairsville. I
thought it might make the search for the crash site a bit easier. I
lost ATL at 4000 feet and went off their radar because of the
mountains so it was sort of lonely on the way down to Blairsville at
1900 feet elevation. Oil pressure was creeping below the yellow area
on the gauge at this point but I did make a straight in landing on 26
at Blairsville. Center had called Blairsville airport on the
telephone as well as 911 so there was a small audience standing around
when I made a decent landing. I tried to gather my witts a little
before getting out but saw people pointing at the plane as I rolled
off the active runway. I did get out ok and saw that oil was smeared
from the front of the cowl to the tail and everywhere in between. The
little Jabiru motor just hold 2- 2 1/2 quarts of oil but it looked
like a hand grenade had exploded under the cowl and ruptured an major
pipeline. Long story short--Mike gave me a ride back on two weekends
before we identified the problem as a cracked oil pump housing that
had ruptured and spilled the oil.
Jabiru says it's never happened before in 1100 engines, but it
happened to me. After a false start with the wrong part I got the
replacement oil cover, drove up and installed it last Friday. Mike
flew me back up on Saturday in his faithful Skychicken 172. I felt
like a crippled B29 getting escorted back to Lenora but was sure good
to look out and see the Skychicken ahead of me. I changed oil filters
and oil while I was replacing the fractured cap. I split the oil
filter and there wasn't any metal in the screen so it doesn't look
like there is any permanent damage to the motor. I have talked to the
dealers and manufacturer of the motor and they say it's a one in a
million occurance. That is a lot better odds than you might think if
it happens to you over the mountains.
By the way folks, you couldn't have a better friend than Mike
Stewart if you have a problem. He flew me up twice and helped with
the repairs and analysis of the problem. Great guy! Glad to be alive!
I will post a pix of the oil cover plate
shakey Ron DeWees and oily N601TD/Jab 3300
Online degrees - find the right program to advance your career.
www.nextag.com
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| Subject: | Re: Sensitive Elevator |
Negative, John, negative.
Either of those changes would reduce the full travel of the elevators, which
you may well need in the future to save your life!
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
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| Subject: | Re: Sensitive Elevator |
Jonathan, would it be possible to use the same bellcrank for that purpose?
Just add holes closer to the pivot point...
Just a thought
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
Montreal, Canada
do not archive
On 22/11/06, Jonathan Starke <jonathan@entry.co.za> wrote:
>
> >
>
> Hi All wise ones.....
>
> I now have over 50hrs on my 601XL, and am loving every minute., but have
> been
> woundering if I could make it better?
>
> The Elevator is very sensitive, in comparison to the Ailerons, I am sure
> everyone will agree with me, now this in itself is not an issue, as I have
> become used to the elevator, and in normal smooth flight it is not an
> issue at
> all.
>
> This last weekend I flew in quite severe turbulence, you know the head
> hitting
> the canopy type of turbulence. This in itself is not an issue for the XL,
> as it
> is very controllable in turbulence, except I feel that due to the overly
> sensitive elevator, me as pilot in command tended to induce pitch
> oscillations.
>
> The amount of movement on the stick (I have the dual stick option), for
> flare
> and normal flight, is very little, thus would it not be a good idea to
> reduce
> the snsitivity around neutral, by reducing the size of the front
> bellcrank. The
> belcrank that the two cables attach to, in the centre console, the one the
> centre single stick is attached to. This would result in the stick having
> to be
> moved a greater distance, for the same elevator deflection. Hence reducing
> the
> sesitivity around neutral.
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Flying Story |
Nothing happens without a reason and I take scant comfort in the fact that a Jabiru
oil pump housing has only cracked once. I would hope that a determination
of what caused the part to fail might be made to help other Jab owners to avoid
a similar problem.
I've had the misfortune to be flying a plane that was pumping it's oil overboard
and I have no desire to repeat the experience.
Tim
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Working on wings
Read this topic online here:
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Need a fuel stick? You can order 3/8 " diameter clear acrylic tubing from Aircraft
Spruce that does a nice job. Just stick it in, put your finger over the top
hole, pull it out and read the level.
To calibrate the blank tube, start with an empty tank, add gas until it reads in
the tube and then add fuel gallon by gallon until full (marking the tube as
you go). I used a cheap electrical engraver to mark the lines and amounts.
It's 85 a foot for the tubing from aircraft spruce or $20 from Sporty's. I've made
up a few of these over the years and appreciate the fact that I know exactly
how much fuel I have before I go for a flight.
Happy Thanksgiving!
Tim
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=76409#76409
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The vent system that you used is the same one that came with my RV kit. They
were great in the summer, they will blow the chart out of your hand when
they are open. In the winter they don't work so great. They won't close all the
air off. I replaced the "eyeball" with machined aluminum vents I got from
Affordable Panels. I like these. When they are closed they are firmly closed. No
air flow at all. Downside-they were terribly expensive.
Carroll Jernigan
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Interesting. I'll try that if the flannel bonnets don't work. Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bonnets
I didn't use a bonnet on my plane for the compounding buffer. I used a
wool buffing pad, the velcro backed type. This is woat was recommended
by Nuvite.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
Polishers-
I'm having no luck using my rotary polisher- bonnet life is
nonexistant. All I have to do is go over a rivet and I'm done for.
Bonnet shreds in no time. God help you if you catch a sheet metal edge-
bonnet shreds immediately
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Fresh Air |
Carroll,
Did you seal the eyeball vents with silicon? I have not done it yet, but
the documentation supplied with the system gave a pretty clear explanation on
how to do it. Living in San Diego, I don't worry about it much...
VR/
Brandon
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I fly two Beech Travel Air biplanes just about every weekend for a local tour company.
The newer model was built in 1929. They both use header tanks - and
not just 15 gallons. They are 42 gallons. The old plane has been in operation
for 79 years without any problems - with a header tank. There are several people
on the list that do not like the idea of fuel in the cockpit. There are
others that have run wing tanks dry due to fuel valve mismanagement. It is a
matter of preference.
As for all the Monday morning quarterbacking on Jim's incident. Why don't
we all stop kicking the corpse. For all we know, he developed an undetectable
leak. We all know that we should, and how to check our fuel levels before
takeoff. It is a useless thread. The only people that are quicker to crucify
incident pilots than the media are other pilots.
R/
Brandon
601 HDS flight testing.
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