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1. 03:16 AM - Alternator Recommendations (Brett Hanley)
2. 04:02 AM - Re: Alternator Recommendations (Wingrider)
3. 04:48 AM - Re: CZAW cowl question again (Trevor Page)
4. 06:45 AM - Re: Alternator Recommendations (Noel Loveys)
5. 08:12 AM - Re: N601XT flies... for real this time... (Gig Giacona)
6. 08:47 AM - Re: Alternator Recommendations (eedetail)
7. 09:16 AM - Re: Re: Alternator Recommendations (Paul Mulwitz)
8. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: Alternator Recommendations (Robin Bellach)
9. 09:25 AM - Re: Enough Already! (John Marzulli)
10. 09:52 AM - Re: Matco Tailwheel install: was Re: N601XT flies... for real this time... (Mike Moore)
11. 10:04 AM - fuel selector, flap control (MrBizi)
12. 10:32 AM - Re: fuel selector, flap control (Craig Payne)
13. 10:32 AM - Re: Enough Already! (Samm Munn)
14. 10:33 AM - Re: Re: Alternator Recommendations (Robin Bellach)
15. 11:04 AM - Re: fuel selector, flap control (Jack Russell)
16. 11:07 AM - Re: fuel selector, flap control (Big Gee)
17. 11:19 AM - Re: fuel selector, flap control (MrBizi)
18. 11:32 AM - Re: Alternator Recommendations (eedetail)
19. 11:35 AM - Re: fuel selector, flap control (Gig Giacona)
20. 11:36 AM - Re: fuel selector, flap control (JOHN STARN)
21. 11:39 AM - Re: fuel selector, flap control (MrBizi)
22. 12:07 PM - Re: fuel selector, flap control (Gig Giacona)
23. 12:47 PM - Re: Enough Already! (Mike)
24. 01:14 PM - Re: Re: Alternator Recommendations (Noel Loveys)
25. 02:03 PM - Re: Enough Already! (Gig Giacona)
26. 02:05 PM - Re: Re: Crack in 601HD firewall stiffner 6F8-2 (Clive Richards)
27. 02:31 PM - Re: Crack in 601HD firewall stiffner 6F8-2 (Gig Giacona)
28. 02:34 PM - Re: Re: Enough Already! (Mike)
29. 03:06 PM - Re: 601XL - Engine out / Glide Experience (Steve Hulland)
30. 03:39 PM - Re: Re: Alternator Recommendations (Robin Bellach)
31. 03:56 PM - Re: Re: Enough Already! (Robin Bellach)
32. 04:24 PM - Re: Re: Enough Already! (JOHN STARN)
33. 04:43 PM - Re: Re: Alternator Recommendations (Dave Austin)
34. 05:16 PM - Re: fuel selector, flap control (Juan Vega)
35. 05:19 PM - Re: fuel selector, flap control (Juan Vega)
36. 05:22 PM - Re: fuel selector, flap control (Juan Vega)
37. 06:05 PM - Warp Drive pitch: was Re: N601XT flies... for real this time... (Brandon Tucker)
38. 06:54 PM - Re: CZAW cowl question again (zodieman)
39. 07:08 PM - Re: Warp Drive pitch: was Re: N601XT flies... for real this time... (Juan Vega)
40. 07:08 PM - Re: fuel selector, flap control (Big Gee)
41. 09:13 PM - Re: fuel selector, flap control (Jack Russell)
42. 11:16 PM - Re: Re: Alternator Recommendations (Bryan Martin)
43. 11:38 PM - Official Zenith-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
44. 11:41 PM - Official Zenith-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Alternator Recommendations |
go to www.buildersbooks.com and buy a copy of the Aeroelectric Connection.
I would not recommend even an electrical engineer wire a small plane witho
ut it. On of the best specialty texts I have ever seen. Explanes the consi
deration for wiring small aircraft.=0A =0ABrett Do not archive=0A=0AI'm bui
lding a Zenith 601HDS and will probably go with William Wynne's Corvair=0Ac
onversion. I'm trying to figure my electrical loads before installing the l
anding=0Alights and closing up the wings and don't believe the typical JD g
arden tractor=0Aalternator is sufficient for my application=0A =0A =0ADo no
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator Recommendations |
Thanks for the advice, it will be a while till I'm at the engine stage but I was
trying to figure out what I could use for landing lights before I closed up
the wings.
The advice on the AeroElectric group is the Suzuki Sameri alternator which looks
like a good option to me.
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Rich Whittington
Tullahoma, TN
Zenith 601HDS Under Construction
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| Subject: | Re: CZAW cowl question again |
Peter, I had the same arrangement you have not (inside the cowl with
outside scoops a la Flypass).
Never worked right for me. This new system is much nicer and cleaner
looking and I got a few more Mph out of the deal...
Trev Page
C-IDUS 601HD R912
On Nov 30, 2006, at 4:53 PM, Peter Chapman wrote:
>
> Trevor Page / zodieman wrote:
>
>>> I'm just completed the conversion of my 601HD to the CZAW cowl
>>> and rad placement. It was very easy and it's a very nice kit. I
>
> Just to confirm, what was the configuration before the change?
> Was it the old under-fuselage rad placement?
>
> I'm curious about the use of a more sophisticated cowl like this,
> although who knows what supply there might be in the future, given
> the end of CZAW's production for Zenair.
>
>
> Peter Chapman
> Toronto, ON 601 HDS / 912 / C-GZDC
> (Original style cowl, rads moved into sides of cowl as Flypass used
> to do)
>
>
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| Subject: | Alternator Recommendations |
Ac43.13.1b
Everything you will need to know about airplanes.... Electrical,
avionics,
metal work even tires.
Search for it online I found one a while ago in pdf format.... High
speed
then!
Noel
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brett
Hanley
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 7:45 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Alternator Recommendations
go to www.buildersbooks.com and buy a copy of the Aeroelectric
Connection.
I would not recommend even an electrical engineer wire a small plane
without
it. On of the best specialty texts I have ever seen. Explanes the
consideration for wiring small aircraft.
Brett Do not archive
I'm building a Zenith 601HDS and will probably go with William Wynne's
Corvair
conversion. I'm trying to figure my electrical loads before installing
the
landing
lights and closing up the wings and don't believe the typical JD garden
tractor
alternator is sufficient for my application
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| Subject: | Re: N601XT flies... for real this time... |
FWIW I'm pretty sure WW has his at 9 degrees.
[quote="btucke73(at)yahoo.com"]Gig,
I have the Warp Drive set at 8 deg at the tip. It yielded about 3000 on
takeoff today. I tried attaching pics, but Matronics denied... I will try to
get some pictures and video up on a website tonight for all to view.
R/
Brandon
> [b]
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator Recommendations |
The pair of 100w landing lights will be overkill in my opinion.
If money is no object go with a pair of HID lights. Xenondepot.com has
a pair for $469 plus shipping. Rated at 35w each, they draw less than 5 amps each.
One is as bright or brighter than a 100w bulb. No matter how much light a
landing light puts out, it only shows you what you are about to hit, nothing else.
TimE
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator Recommendations |
Wouldn't this be just under 3 amps? (Power = Current x Voltage)
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 08:46 AM 12/1/2006, you wrote:
>Rated at 35w each, they draw less than 5 amps each.
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator Recommendations |
The 35-watt automotive type lights I got from Harbor Freight for less than
$10 per pair seem to put out as much light as a 100-watt 4509 when I
compared them.
Robin in AR
N601ZV
----- Original Message -----
From: "eedetail" <eedetail@qwest.net>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:46 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Alternator Recommendations
>
> The pair of 100w landing lights will be overkill in my opinion.
> If money is no object go with a pair of HID lights. Xenondepot.com has
> a pair for $469 plus shipping. Rated at 35w each, they draw less than 5
> amps each. One is as bright or brighter than a 100w bulb. No matter how
> much light a landing light puts out, it only shows you what you are about
> to hit, nothing else.
> TimE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=78420#78420
>
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| Subject: | Re: Enough Already! |
I live in Seattle, lived north of Dallas, lived in Maryland, and been to
Alaska in the dead of winter... but to this day the coldest place I've ever
been is San Francisco. Something about the cold there just chills you right
through your bones.
On 11/30/06, Jaybannist@cs.com <Jaybannist@cs.com> wrote:
>
>
> David, I fought a part of the "cold war" serving my time in the Chicago
> area, working outdoors most of the time. VERY cold and long winters back
> then. I didn't lose anything out there in that snow (no reason to go
> looking for it).
>
> Jay in Dallas
> Do not archive
>
>
> "David Mikesell" <skyguynca@skyguynca.com> wrote:
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> skyguynca@skyguynca.com>
> >
> >Yeah Jay, I know where your saying. I was born and raised in the DFW
> area,
> >joined the army to get away to better places...well I spent 12 years in
> >Germany, not only did I hate the cold before.....now I despise it with a
> >passion!!
> >
> >David Mikesell
> >23597 N. Hwy 99
> >Acampo, CA 95220
> >skyguynca@skyguynca.com
> >www.skyguynca.com
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <Jaybannist@cs.com>
> >To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 1:41 PM
> >Subject: Zenith-List: Enough Already!
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Calf-rope!! (anyone know what that means?) Here in Dallas, it is now 51
> >> degrees cooler than it was at this time yesterday! At 29 degrees, (no
> >> heat in the airplane work area) I can't even squeeze a rivet puller. I
> >> know that makes me a wimp, but, hey, we Southerners just aren't used to
> >> "yankee" weather. Enough already, I'm ready for Winter to be over!
> >>
> >> Jay in Dallas
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
--
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
"Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot
harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
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| Subject: | Re: Matco Tailwheel install: was Re: N601XT flies... for |
real this time...
Brandon,
Thanks for the response/info. Will file for the present till I get working on
the fuselage and decide when I get closer to that point. Meanwhile, I'll watch
for any comments you publish concerning how your installation works out in actual
use.
Regards,
M2
Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mike,
The installation was much simpler than the tailwheel from the plans, with
the exception of having to weld a little.
First, buy leaf spring #4 from here:
http://aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/leafsprings.php
I had to weld about a 5" extention to it to get it to reach the forward
spring mount bolt. I kept most of the spring cool with a wet rag while welding
at the end. The part of the spring that "springs" did not lose any heat treating.
I'll try to get a picture of it and send it to you. I bought the solid
Matco tailwheel from here:
http://aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/matco_tw.php
After flying it today, I think the inflatable wheel would be better. You
really feel the rough asphalt with the solid wheel. You then buy the spring
kit here:
http://aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/comp_springs.php
Installation was less than 2 hours including welding an extension to the
spring. It was a very easy upgrade. -Much easier than scratch building the
tailwheel the first time...
R/
Brandon
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| Subject: | fuel selector, flap control |
Does anyone know if a fuel selector with left/both/right/off would work (i.e.
like a C172) in the Zodiac? Trying to make the LSA Zodiac XL to train my brother
and having a "both" selector would help so he can focus more on the other
aspects of flying than worrying about which tank it is on.....
Also, does anyone now if it is possible (and where to get it) to put a Cessna
notched indent type Flap Selector on a Zodiac? Again, for ease of use when
learning it helps to be able to put a 1st notch of flaps and then focus your eyes
outside instead of flipping a switch.... watching the indicator... waiting
for 10 degrees.... then letting go of the switch to stop the flap movement.....
then looking outside...
Thanks for any advice anyone might have!
thanks,
Josh Olson
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| Subject: | fuel selector, flap control |
I recall a discussion about "both" being bad in low-wing aircraft. Something
perhaps about cross-flow between the tanks or problems when one tank is
empty. In general I think you only see "both" on high-wing aircraft. A real
Internet expert will now jump in, tell me I'm full of baloney and that he
flew for 10,000 hours with a both setting on his SR-71, etc.
As to the flap stuff take a look at this:
http://www.aircraftextras.com/FPS-Plus.htm
And a less-expensive solution - a linear actuator ($70) and a controller
($50) that remembers preset positions:
http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID 06120112260557
<http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID 06120112260557&item=5-1577-2&ca
tname> &item=5-1577-2&catname
http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID 06120112260557
<http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID 06120112260557&catname=&item=5-
1577-C> &catname=&item=5-1577-C
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Enough Already! |
Mark Twain once said, "The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in
San Francisco."
----- Original Message -----
From: John Marzulli
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Enough Already!
I live in Seattle, lived north of Dallas, lived in Maryland, and been
to Alaska in the dead of winter... but to this day the coldest place
I've ever been is San Francisco. Something about the cold there just
chills you right through your bones.
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator Recommendations |
Wouldn't it then be less that 2.5?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mulwitz" <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Alternator Recommendations
> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
> Wouldn't this be just under 3 amps? (Power = Current x Voltage)
>
> Paul
> XL fuselage
> do not archive
>
> At 08:46 AM 12/1/2006, you wrote:
>>Rated at 35w each, they draw less than 5 amps each.
>
> -
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: fuel selector, flap control |
Boy did we have a discussion on this one when I was doing my fuel system. I went
with the both and yes there are some production low wings with both. One of
the problems that arise is that when on both and you are low in the tanks you
could suck air instead of fuel from the lower wing in a turn. I use a placard
that says not to use both with less than 1//3 tanks. The other problem is that
with both if you do run out in one tank which way do you turn the valve, left
or right. It takes a few seconds to start again and if you are close to the
ground you may not have those seconds. If you are on Left you know you need right.
I tend to switch the tank depending on the landing pattern to use the tank
that is the highest in turns. Jack
Jack Russell -Clovis CA
601 XL Jabiru 3300
Progress update at:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
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| Subject: | Re: fuel selector, flap control |
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other aspects of flying than worrying about which tank it is on.....=0A =0A
=0AAlso, does anyone now if it is possible (and where to get it) to put a
Cessna notched indent type Flap Selector on a Zodiac? Again, for ease of
use when learning it helps to be able to put a 1st notch of flaps and then
focus your eyes outside instead of flipping a switch.... watching the indic
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| Subject: | fuel selector, flap control |
Thanks for your help! Aircraftextras is a great site! Thanks for sharing
Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote: I recall a discussion about "both"
being bad in low-wing aircraft. Something perhaps about cross-flow between
the tanks or problems when one tank is empty. In general I think you only see
"both" on high-wing aircraft. A real Internet expert will now jump in, tell
me I'm full of baloney and that he flew for 10,000 hours with a both setting on
his SR-71, etc.
As to the flap stuff take a look at this:
http://www.aircraftextras.com/FPS-Plus.htm
And a less-expensive solution - a linear actuator ($70) and a controller ($50)
that remembers preset positions:
http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID 06120112260557&item=5-1577-2&catname
http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID 06120112260557&catname=&item=5-1577-C
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator Recommendations |
Well, yes you are both correct.
As voltage drops, current increases in order to maintain the same power.
My less than 5 amp is based upon actual measurements last nite, using only battery
power, and an analog ammeter.
I found in actual practice that my 35w landing light will sometimes draw up to
5 amps and trip the breaker.
TimE
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| Subject: | Re: fuel selector, flap control |
mrbizi(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> Does anyone know if a fuel selector with left/both/right/off would work (i.e.
like a C172) in the Zodiac? Trying to make the LSA Zodiac XL to train my brother
and having a "both" selector would help so he can focus more on the other
aspects of flying than worrying about which tank it is on.....
>
I think the added concern over what to do when the engine stops because he is sucking
air out of an empty fuel tank out weighs worrying about which tank he is
needs to have selected.
If you want to reduce that concern during the first hours of training then just
manage the fuel for him until he has advanced further in learning to fly.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=78465#78465
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| Subject: | Re: fuel selector, flap control |
Low wing with tanks ONLY in the wings. (Ercoupe has a header tank filled
from the wing tanks) With selector set at both you "can" have cross-flow
and sucking on a empty tank too. When the engine sputters you must
detect which tank is empty, turn from both to the tank with the fuel.
Which one is that ?. Best guess is yours, how long do you leave it on
the tank you think has fuel before switching to the other one ?. If your
looking for stress, you found it.
SR-1 "both" tanks, as in two. Opp's... can't tell you how many there
are, (would have to kill ya) but it's a lot more than two. Don't
re-invent the wheel. If the brother has a problem with controlling two
tanks & looking at the flap position think what will happen when he goes
under the hood.....and never let him near a plane with retractable
gear... and remember there are TWO (no "both") latches on the canopy
too. KABONG 8*) Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:32 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: fuel selector, flap control
I recall a discussion about "both" being bad in low-wing aircraft.
Something perhaps about cross-flow between the tanks or problems when
one tank is empty. In general I think you only see "both" on high-wing
aircraft. A real Internet expert will now jump in, tell me I'm full of
baloney and that he flew for 10,000 hours with a both setting on his
SR-71, etc.
As to the flap stuff take a look at this:
http://www.aircraftextras.com/FPS-Plus.htm
And a less-expensive solution - a linear actuator ($70) and a
controller ($50) that remembers preset positions:
http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID 06120112260557&item=5-157
7-2&catname
http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID 06120112260557&catname=&i
tem=5-1577-C
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: fuel selector, flap control |
Jack:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
Great website!
Please let me know where you found the fuel selector that has 'both'
I think I might do the same as you.
I can manage the fuel when it gets down around 1/3 tank... but for a new pilot
like my brother... i'd prefer to have full tanks ALWAYS for him and have a 'both'
setting....
Thanks,
Josh
Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Boy did we have a discussion on this one when I was doing my fuel system. I went
with the both and yes there are some production low wings with both. One
of the problems that arise is that when on both and you are low in the tanks you
could suck air instead of fuel from the lower wing in a turn. I use a placard
that says not to use both with less than 1//3 tanks. The other problem is
that with both if you do run out in one tank which way do you turn the valve,
left or right. It takes a few seconds to start again and if you are close to the
ground you may not have those seconds. If you are on Left you know you need
right. I tend to switch the tank depending on the landing pattern to use the
tank that is the highest in turns. Jack
Jack Russell -Clovis CA
601 XL Jabiru 3300
Progress update at:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
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| Subject: | Re: fuel selector, flap control |
Josh,
How is training your brother in an aircraft with a dangerous fuel system design
in any way a good idea? There are DARs out there that wouldn't even signoff on
an airplane with that fuel system.
Tens of thousands of pilots have had primary training in aircraft that don't have
a "Both" position on the fuel selector.
Are you a CFI or a CFI-LS?
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=78472#78472
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| Subject: | Re: Enough Already! |
Guys -- the irrlevant messages on this list are getting to be ridiculous. Email
strings like this clog up the archives.....for example, if I were to do a search
on how to winterize an airplane, or whether there are builders in Dallas,
or any other term that happens to be in these emails similar to the one below,
then my results would be clogged up with these emails. If you absolutely feel
the need to chat with your internet friends, please try to do so privately (off-list),
or at the very least use the 'do not archive' tag. As it is, not many
people use the archives (as evidenced by repeated threads about corrossion protection,
scotchbrite, etc), probably because of all the irrelevant info that
pops up when you try to do a search.
Samm Munn <heliav8r@swbell.net> wrote: Mark Twain once said, "The coldest
winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco."
----- Original Message -----
From: John Marzulli
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Enough Already!
I live in Seattle, lived north of Dallas, lived in Maryland, and been to Alaska
in the dead of winter... but to this day the coldest place I've ever been
is San Francisco. Something about the cold there just chills you right through
your bones.
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator Recommendations |
If the engine is not running you will only get about 11 - 11.5V from your
battery that will cause an increase in current draw. With the engine
running the buss should have around 13.8 - 14.4V th8us reducing the current
needed.
Circuit breakers protect from over current not wattage.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of eedetail
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 4:02 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Alternator Recommendations
>
>
>
> Well, yes you are both correct.
> As voltage drops, current increases in order to maintain the
> same power.
> My less than 5 amp is based upon actual measurements last
> nite, using only battery power, and an analog ammeter.
> I found in actual practice that my 35w landing light will
> sometimes draw up to 5 amps and trip the breaker.
> TimE
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=78464#78464
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| Subject: | Re: Enough Already! |
You post this without putting
DO NOT ARCHIVE
now that's funny.
[quote="rsq2424(at)yahoo.com"]Guys -- the irrlevant messages on this list are getting
to be ridiculous. Email strings like this clog up the archives.....for
example, if I were to do a search on how to winterize an airplane, or whether
there are builders in Dallas, or any other term that happens to be in these emails
similar to the one below, then my results would be clogged up with these
emails. If you absolutely feel the need to chat with your internet friends, please
try to do so privately (off-list), or at the very least use the 'do not archive'
tag. As it is, not many people use the archives (as evidenced by repeated
threads about corrossion protection, scotchbrite, etc), probably because of
all the irrelevant info that pops up when you try to do a search.
Samm Munn wrote:[quote] Mark Twain once said, "The coldest winter I ever
spent was a summer in San Francisco."
> ---
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=78502#78502
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| Subject: | Re: Crack in 601HD firewall stiffner 6F8-2 |
Gig
Photos attached as requested showing position of crack & cracked end with
stiffener removed. The piece which broke off is not to hand.
We have replaced stiffener but left end wider over engine mount and taken
strengthening angle above across full width of fire wall.
Clive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:40 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Crack in 601HD firewall stiffner 6F8-2
>
> Any way we can get a photo of the crack? I'd like to make sure I know
> exactly where it is developing.
>
> [quote="s.c.richards(at)homecall."]Hi list we have found a crack in the
> firewall stiffner near the port engine mount and have had to replace the
> stiffner
> We beleave this may be because we are using a Continental 0-200 & a
> header tank so are on a fairley forward C of G. > We have
> difficulty in Just lowering the nose on landing, it tends to want to drop
> when you remove the power. It is possably caused because to much we
> trimmed off the stiffner to fit the original faulty engine mount.
>
> > Clive Richards
>
> GCBDG 52 Hrs Estimated 250 T&G / Landings
>
>> [b]
>
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=77620#77620
>
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| Subject: | Re: Crack in 601HD firewall stiffner 6F8-2 |
Thanks for the photos. The earlier poster was right the XL has beefed that area
up some But it will go on my list of places to watch anyway.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=78509#78509
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| Subject: | Re: Enough Already! |
No I didn't -- it is embedded within my message, which is sufficient. But here's
another one to make you happy:
do not archive
You post this without putting
DO NOT ARCHIVE
now that's funny.
[quote="rsq2424(at)yahoo.com"]Guys -- the irrlevant messages on this list are getting
to be ridiculous. Email strings like this clog up the archives.....for
example, if I were to do a search on how to winterize an airplane, or whether
there are builders in Dallas, or any other term that happens to be in these emails
similar to the one below, then my results would be clogged up with these
emails. If you absolutely feel the need to chat with your internet friends, please
try to do so privately (off-list), or at the very least use the 'do not archive'
tag. As it is, not many people use the archives (as evidenced by repeated
threads about corrossion protection, scotchbrite, etc), probably because of
all the irrelevant info that pops up when you try to do a search.
Samm Munn wrote:[quote] Mark Twain once said, "The coldest winter I ever
spent was a summer in San Francisco."
> ---
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=78502#78502
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL - Engine out / Glide Experience |
Being a retired Marine, I know about your training - especially if that
Marine was a pilot from the WWII-mid Viet Nam era. We Marines understand how
important it is to accomplish the mission with skill, knowledge,
decisiveness, morality and ethics. Failure to teach new pilots how to fly
the airplane above all else will deny them all of these things - putting
their lives in more jeopardy than necessary. Glad you got the Marine ride.
Do Not Archive
-
Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 600 Taildragger
Amado, AZ
This and all other incoming/outgoing email, attachments and replies scanned
prior to opening/sending and uses an external firewall to help insure virus
free email and attachments.
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator Recommendations |
Wow! Thanks for helping us who are electron challanged.
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "eedetail" <eedetail@qwest.net>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 1:31 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Alternator Recommendations
>
> Well, yes you are both correct.
> As voltage drops, current increases in order to maintain the same power.
> My less than 5 amp is based upon actual measurements last nite, using only
> battery power, and an analog ammeter.
> I found in actual practice that my 35w landing light will sometimes draw
> up to 5 amps and trip the breaker.
> TimE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=78464#78464
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Enough Already! |
You mean that 'do not archive' will not work like do not archive and the
message shows up in the archives?
DO NOT ARCHIVE.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 4:02 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Enough Already!
>
> You post this without putting
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> now that's funny.
>
> [quote="rsq2424(at)yahoo.com"]Guys -- the irrlevant messages on this list
> are getting to be ridiculous. Email strings like this clog up the
> archives.....for example, if I were to do a search on how to winterize an
> airplane, or whether there are builders in Dallas, or any other term that
> happens to be in these emails similar to the one below, then my results
> would be clogged up with these emails. If you absolutely feel the need to
> chat with your internet friends, please try to do so privately (off-list),
> or at the very least use the 'do not archive' tag. As it is, not many
> people use the archives (as evidenced by repeated threads about corrossion
> protection, scotchbrite, etc), probably because of all the irrelevant info
> that pops up when you try to do a search.
>
> Samm Munn wrote:[quote] Mark Twain once said, "The coldest winter I
> ever spent was a summer in San Francisco."
>
>> ---
>
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=78502#78502
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Enough Already! |
I'm not 100% sure but you can go to the archives & check those posts posted
to the archives today and see if the one with the 'do not archive' made it
or not. I have been only using Do Not Archive for 10 years or so, but it my
understanding that: do not archive, DO NOT ARCHIVE, "Do Not Archive", 'do
not archive' etc etc. at the beginning, in the middle or at the end will
all work. KABONG Do Not Archive
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Enough Already!
>
> You mean that 'do not archive' will not work like do not archive and the
> message shows up in the archives?
> DO NOT ARCHIVE.
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Enough Already!
>
>
>>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
please try to do so privately (off-list),
>> or at the very least use the 'do not archive' tag. As it is, not many
>> people use the archives (as evidenced by repeated threads about
>> corrossion protection, scotchbrite, etc), probably because of all the
>> irrelevant info that pops up when you try to do a search.
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator Recommendations |
Re this current vs. voltage vs. resistance stuff..
If the load is resistive, and the voltage drops, the current will DECREASE.
If the load is a motor, and the voltage drops, the current will usually be
higher as the motor will not reach full rpm.
Learned that 55 years ago..
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
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| Subject: | Re: fuel selector, flap control |
on the flap etting, you can put a cessna type swith, just go to AIrcraft spruce.
OPtion two is to just count 1 one thousand etc, for flap setting. 2 seconds
on the 601 xl factory set up is 20 degrees. ABout as simple as youi can get.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Big Gee <taffy0687@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Dec 1, 2006 2:06 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel selector, flap control
>
>????????????????????????????????????????????????
>????????????????????????????????????????????????
>????????????????????????????????????????????????
>????????????????????????????????????????????????
>????????????????????????????????????????????????
>????????????????????????????????????????????????
>
>Fritz
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: MrBizi <mrbizi@yahoo.com>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Friday, December 1, 2006 1:03:58 PM
>Subject: Zenith-List: fuel selector, flap control
>
>
>Does anyone know if a fuel selector with left/both/right/off would work (i.e.
like a C172) in the Zodiac? Trying to make the LSA Zodiac XL to train my brother
and having a "both" selector would help so he can focus more on the other
aspects of flying than worrying about which tank it is on.....
>
>
>Also, does anyone now if it is possible (and where to get it) to put a Cessna
notched indent type Flap Selector on a Zodiac? Again, for ease of use when learning
it helps to be able to put a 1st notch of flaps and then focus your eyes
outside instead of flipping a switch.... watching the indicator... waiting
for 10 degrees.... then letting go of the switch to stop the flap movement.....
then looking outside...
>
>Thanks for any advice an=====================
>
>
>
>Want to start your own business?
>http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index
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| Subject: | Re: fuel selector, flap control |
some of the production Tomahawks have a (Both) setting. in normal level flight
with full tanks or with 1/2 tanks, not a problem. I can see maybe a problem
with air suction however that would be a problem on any plane including cessnas.
It all boils down to prefeence.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
>Sent: Dec 1, 2006 2:03 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel selector, flap control
>
>Boy did we have a discussion on this one when I was doing my fuel system. I went
with the both and yes there are some production low wings with both. One of
the problems that arise is that when on both and you are low in the tanks you
could suck air instead of fuel from the lower wing in a turn. I use a placard
that says not to use both with less than 1//3 tanks. The other problem is that
with both if you do run out in one tank which way do you turn the valve, left
or right. It takes a few seconds to start again and if you are close to the
ground you may not have those seconds. If you are on Left you know you need
right. I tend to switch the tank depending on the landing pattern to use the tank
that is the highest in turns. Jack
>
>
>Jack Russell -Clovis CA
>601 XL Jabiru 3300
> Progress update at:
>http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
>
>
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| Subject: | fuel selector, flap control |
Ho by the way my SR 71 has an autosellector. fuel system since I am too busy burning
a hole in the sky. :).
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
>Sent: Dec 1, 2006 1:32 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: fuel selector, flap control
>
>I recall a discussion about "both" being bad in low-wing aircraft. Something
>perhaps about cross-flow between the tanks or problems when one tank is
>empty. In general I think you only see "both" on high-wing aircraft. A real
>Internet expert will now jump in, tell me I'm full of baloney and that he
>flew for 10,000 hours with a both setting on his SR-71, etc.
>
>As to the flap stuff take a look at this:
>
>http://www.aircraftextras.com/FPS-Plus.htm
>
>And a less-expensive solution - a linear actuator ($70) and a controller
>($50) that remembers preset positions:
>http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID 06120112260557
><http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID 06120112260557&item=5-1577-2&ca
>tname> &item=5-1577-2&catname
>http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID 06120112260557
><http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID 06120112260557&catname=&item=5-
>1577-C> &catname=&item=5-1577-C
>
>-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive pitch: was Re: N601XT flies... for real this |
time...
Gig,
I was initially told 9.5 deg from someone on the list. I then checked the
archives and read 8.5. I set it at 8 and am getting 2800 - 2900 rpm on takeoff.
I should be getting more. I know it is a carburetor issue. I will be
tuning it this weekend. It still sputters a bit at full throttle, so I run it
cracked from full. As soon as I get the carb right, I will reset the pitch.
R/
Brandon
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| Subject: | Re: CZAW cowl question again |
Here are some pictures of the oil cooler plenum. Basically it's an extension to
the air inlet on the bottom of the cowl. I'll be doing the final fitting and
sealer trimming tomorrow at the air strip.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=78572#78572
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive pitch: was Re: N601XT flies... for real |
this time...
To all,
do you guys and gals on the list want to get together January 13th at the Sebring
Sport pilot show? Should be a fun event. Can we get a little fly in going.
Its an excuse to come to sunny FLA,maybe play a light golf?
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Dec 1, 2006 9:04 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Warp Drive pitch: was Re: N601XT flies... for real this
time...
>
>Gig,
>
> I was initially told 9.5 deg from someone on the list. I then checked
the archives and read 8.5. I set it at 8 and am getting 2800 - 2900 rpm on takeoff.
I should be getting more. I know it is a carburetor issue. I will be
tuning it this weekend. It still sputters a bit at full throttle, so I run it
cracked from full. As soon as I get the carb right, I will reset the pitch.
>
> R/
>
> Brandon
>
>
>
>
>
>---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: fuel selector, flap control |
Does a "great website" mean that a person has a great idea too ? ---------
-Don't worry after the "crash" we're not allowed to discuss anything about
it. I guess I was taught wrong, I was taught that the pilot was responsi
ble for fuel management and knowing where his fuel is. Installing a fuel
system knowing that its design can "suck air" is stupid. John Denver got
killed because the fuel selector valve (John Denver didn't build the plane
) was located in a stupid place.=0A=0ADo not archive.=0AFritz=0A=0A=0A-----
Original Message ----=0AFrom: MrBizi <mrbizi@yahoo.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@
matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, December 1, 2006 2:38:34 PM=0ASubject: Re: Ze
nith-List: fuel selector, flap control=0A=0A=0AJack:=0Ahttp://www.geocities
.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html =0A =0AGreat website!=0A =0APleas
e let me know where you found the fuel selector that has 'both'=0AI think I
might do the same as you. =0A =0AI can manage the fuel when it gets down
around 1/3 tank... but for a new pilot like my brother... i'd prefer to ha
ve full tanks ALWAYS for him and have a 'both' setting....=0A=0AThanks,=0AJ
osh=0A=0A=0AJack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net> wrote:=0ABoy did we have a
discussion on this one when I was doing my fuel system. I went with the bot
h and yes there are some production low wings with both. One of the proble
ms that arise is that when on both and you are low in the tanks you could s
uck air instead of fuel from the lower wing in a turn. I use a placard tha
t says not to use both with less than 1//3 tanks. The other problem is that
with both if you do run out in one tank which way do you turn the valve, l
eft or right. It takes a few seconds to start again and if you are close to
the ground you may not have those seconds. If you are on Left you know you
need right. I tend to switch the tank depending on the landing pattern to
use the tank that is the highest in turns. Jack =0A=0A=0A=0A=0AJack Russell
-Clovis CA=0A601 XL Jabiru 3300=0A Progress update at:=0Ahttp://www.geocit
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get answers from real people who know.
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| Subject: | Re: fuel selector, flap control |
I spent a lot of time researching fuel systems and talking to alot of people here
and elsewhere. You must do the same and make your own decision on how "experimental"
you are comfortable with. I chose a simple fuel system that is working
for me and a lot of others. As far as I am concerned this is the End of discussion.
Jack in Los Osos CA
P.s It isn't that great of a website.
do not archive
Big Gee <taffy0687@yahoo.com> wrote:
Does a "great website" mean that a person has a great idea too ? ----------Don't
worry after the "crash" we're not allowed to discuss anything about
it. I guess I was taught wrong, I was taught that the pilot was responsible
for fuel management and knowing where his fuel is. Installing a fuel system
knowing that its design can "suck air" is stupid. John Denver got killed
because the fuel selector valve (John Denver didn't build the plane) was located
in a stupid place.
Do not archive.
Fritz
----- Original Message ----
From: MrBizi <mrbizi@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2006 2:38:34 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel selector, flap control
Jack:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
Great website!
Please let me know where you found the fuel selector that has 'both'
I think I might do the same as you.
I can manage the fuel when it gets down around 1/3 tank... but for a new pilot
like my brother... i'd prefer to have full tanks ALWAYS for him and have a 'both'
setting....
Thanks,
Josh
Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Boy did we have a discussion on this one when I was doing my fuel system. I went
with the both and yes there are some production low wings with both. One
of the problems that arise is that when on both and you are low in the tanks you
could suck air instead of fuel from the lower wing in a turn. I use a placard
that says not to use both with less than 1//3 tanks. The other problem is
that with both if you do run out in one tank which way do you turn the valve,
left or right. It takes a few seconds to start again and if you are close to the
ground you may not have those seconds. If you are on Left you know you need
right. I tend to switch the tank depending on the landing pattern to use the
tank that is the highest in turns. Jack
Jack Russell -Clovis CA
601 XL Jabiru 3300
Progress update at:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
www.kitlog.comhttp://www.matronicr?Zenith-List" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navi===================
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator Recommendations |
I believe that the BULB is rated at 35W, there is a bit more power
consumed in the ballast. I ended up putting 10A fuses on my lights.
The 5A fuses would work most of the time but the surge current on
starting the lights would eventually blow them. The lights draw
around 3A steady state.
>
>>
>>
>> Well, yes you are both correct.
>> As voltage drops, current increases in order to maintain the
>> same power.
>> My less than 5 amp is based upon actual measurements last
>> nite, using only battery power, and an analog ammeter.
>> I found in actual practice that my 35w landing light will
>> sometimes draw up to 5 amps and trip the breaker.
>> TimE
>>
>>
>>
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Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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The purpose of the Zenith-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
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are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
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- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
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terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
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about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
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