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1. 03:39 AM - Re: Re: Alternator Recommendations (Dave Johnson)
2. 05:09 AM - Re: fuel selector, flap control (Juan Vega)
3. 08:18 AM - Re: Re: Enough Already! (Noel Loveys)
4. 08:20 AM - Re: Re: Alternator Recommendations (Noel Loveys)
5. 08:21 AM - Re: Re: Alternator Recommendations (Noel Loveys)
6. 08:31 AM - Re: Warp Drive pitch: was Re: N601XT flies... for real this time... (Noel Loveys)
7. 09:06 AM - Re: Re: Alternator Recommendations (Bryan Martin)
8. 09:07 AM - Ohm's Law, and when it counts. (Caution: Actual electronic wisdom included.) (Paul Mulwitz)
9. 09:17 AM - Re: 601XL - Engine out / Glide Experience (Bill Naumuk)
10. 10:31 AM - Re: fuel selector, flap control (Gig Giacona)
11. 01:17 PM - Re: Re: fuel selector, flap control (Josh Olson)
12. 01:18 PM - Re: Re: Alternator Recommendations (Noel Loveys)
13. 03:25 PM - Re: fuel selector, flap control (Martin Pohl)
14. 03:57 PM - fuel selector (Brett Hanley)
15. 05:58 PM - "do not archive" and a whole lot more (Andrew Ackland)
16. 06:32 PM - Sputtering Corvair: was Re: Warp Drive pitch: was Re: N601XT flies... for real this (Brandon Tucker)
17. 07:23 PM - the Dew Knot Arc syndrome (Zed Smith)
18. 07:29 PM - Re: "do not archive" and a whole lot more (Noel Loveys)
19. 07:55 PM - N601XT flight photos (Brandon Tucker)
20. 09:33 PM - Re: "do not archive" and a whole lot more (ihab.awad@gmail.com)
21. 09:34 PM - Re: 601XL - Engine out / Glide Experience (Gary Gower)
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator Recommendations |
maybe I'm missing a crucial point, but if the voltage drops, then so does
the current - Ohm's Law
Dave Johnson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:13 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Alternator Recommendations
>
> If the engine is not running you will only get about 11 - 11.5V from your
> battery that will cause an increase in current draw. With the engine
> running the buss should have around 13.8 - 14.4V th8us reducing the
> current
> needed.
>
> Circuit breakers protect from over current not wattage.
>
> Noel
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of eedetail
>> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 4:02 PM
>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Alternator Recommendations
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, yes you are both correct.
>> As voltage drops, current increases in order to maintain the
>> same power.
>> My less than 5 amp is based upon actual measurements last
>> nite, using only battery power, and an analog ammeter.
>> I found in actual practice that my 35w landing light will
>> sometimes draw up to 5 amps and trip the breaker.
>> TimE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=78464#78464
>
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| Subject: | Re: fuel selector, flap control |
all,
Zenith's news letter #122 dated Jan 2001 has an interesting report from a gent
in Switzerland on the fuel tank selector subject He states" Both position is used
until 1/2 tank. to assure pilot switches to one tank, blinking light warns
of half tank status. Below 25 liters a panel light warns of low tank.
Any thoughts on a small fly in at Seabring or is everyone enjpoying their winter
in the snow?
Juan Vega
601xl
-----Original Message-----
>From: Big Gee <taffy0687@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Dec 1, 2006 10:08 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel selector, flap control
>
>Does a "great website" mean that a person has a great idea too ? ----------Don't
worry after the "crash" we're not allowed to discuss anything about it.
I guess I was taught wrong, I was taught that the pilot was responsible for fuel
management and knowing where his fuel is. Installing a fuel system knowing
that its design can "suck air" is stupid. John Denver got killed because
the fuel selector valve (John Denver didn't build the plane) was located in a
stupid place.
>
>Do not archive.
>Fritz
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: MrBizi <mrbizi@yahoo.com>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Friday, December 1, 2006 2:38:34 PM
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel selector, flap control
>
>
>Jack:
>http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
>
>Great website!
>
>Please let me know where you found the fuel selector that has 'both'
>I think I might do the same as you.
>
>I can manage the fuel when it gets down around 1/3 tank... but for a new pilot
like my brother... i'd prefer to have full tanks ALWAYS for him and have a 'both'
setting....
>
>Thanks,
>Josh
>
>
>Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>Boy did we have a discussion on this one when I was doing my fuel system. I went
with the both and yes there are some production low wings with both. One of
the problems that arise is that when on both and you are low in the tanks you
could suck air instead of fuel from the lower wing in a turn. I use a placard
that says not to use both with less than 1//3 tanks. The other problem is that
with both if you do run out in one tank which way do you turn the valve, left
or right. It takes a few seconds to start again and if you are close to the
ground you may not have those seconds. If you are on Left you know you need
right. I tend to switch the tank depending on the landing pattern to use the tank
that is the highest in turns. Jack
>
>
>Jack Russell -Clovis CA
>601 XL Jabiru 3300
> Progress update at:
>http://www.geocit====================
>
>
>
>Have a burning question?
>Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know.
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| Subject: | Re: Enough Already! |
If you read Matt's instructions you will see quite clearly that he said if
you put do not archive any where in the body of your text it won't be
archived... Of course you have to maje sure it's spillef properky.....
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> JOHN STARN
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 8:53 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Enough Already!
>
>
>
> I'm not 100% sure but you can go to the archives & check
> those posts posted
> to the archives today and see if the one with the 'do not
> archive' made it
> or not. I have been only using Do Not Archive for 10 years or
> so, but it my
> understanding that: do not archive, DO NOT ARCHIVE, "Do Not
> Archive", 'do
> not archive' etc etc. at the beginning, in the middle or at
> the end will
> all work. KABONG Do Not Archive
>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Enough Already!
>
>
> <601zv@ritternet.com>
> >
> > You mean that 'do not archive' will not work like do not
> archive and the
> > message shows up in the archives?
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE.
> > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Enough Already!
> >
> >
> <wr.giacona@cox.net>
> >>
> >> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> please try to do so privately (off-list),
> >> or at the very least use the 'do not archive' tag. As it
> is, not many
> >> people use the archives (as evidenced by repeated threads about
> >> corrossion protection, scotchbrite, etc), probably because
> of all the
> >> irrelevant info that pops up when you try to do a search.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator Recommendations |
What size is your wire and how long is it?
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Bryan Martin
> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 3:45 AM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Alternator Recommendations
>
>
> <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>
> I believe that the BULB is rated at 35W, there is a bit more power
> consumed in the ballast. I ended up putting 10A fuses on my lights.
> The 5A fuses would work most of the time but the surge current on
> starting the lights would eventually blow them. The lights draw
> around 3A steady state.
>
>
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, yes you are both correct.
> >> As voltage drops, current increases in order to maintain the
> >> same power.
> >> My less than 5 amp is based upon actual measurements last
> >> nite, using only battery power, and an analog ammeter.
> >> I found in actual practice that my 35w landing light will
> >> sometimes draw up to 5 amps and trip the breaker.
> >> TimE
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL,
> RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
> do not archive.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator Recommendations |
Only if the resistance is constant.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Dave Johnson
> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:09 AM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Alternator Recommendations
>
>
> <david_a_g_johnson@btinternet.com>
>
> maybe I'm missing a crucial point, but if the voltage drops,
> then so does
> the current - Ohm's Law
>
> Dave Johnson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:13 PM
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Alternator Recommendations
>
>
> <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> >
> > If the engine is not running you will only get about 11 -
> 11.5V from your
> > battery that will cause an increase in current draw. With
> the engine
> > running the buss should have around 13.8 - 14.4V th8us reducing the
> > current
> > needed.
> >
> > Circuit breakers protect from over current not wattage.
> >
> > Noel
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
> Of eedetail
> >> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 4:02 PM
> >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Alternator Recommendations
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, yes you are both correct.
> >> As voltage drops, current increases in order to maintain the
> >> same power.
> >> My less than 5 amp is based upon actual measurements last
> >> nite, using only battery power, and an analog ammeter.
> >> I found in actual practice that my 35w landing light will
> >> sometimes draw up to 5 amps and trip the breaker.
> >> TimE
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=78464#78464
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive pitch: was Re: N601XT flies... for real this |
time...
If it sputters a bit at full throttle you may have a problem with the timing
( you said you would be at that this weekend) or it could be something as
mundane as too low an octane rating in your fuel.... Try some high octane
stuff to be sure.
My Miata absolutely hates the cheapo stuff and pings all over the place....
If I buy my high octane gas at one of those non-dedicated pumps that last
gas pumped was low octane it will let me know... low octane fuel in the gas
hose is almost a gallon and the car only takes ten gal from empty. Now I
have to look for a gas station with a dedicated pump for high octane.
God only knows and he's not telling how it will react to the Eth degraded
fuel when and if it ever get here.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Tucker
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:35 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Warp Drive pitch: was Re: N601XT flies... for real
this time...
Gig,
I was initially told 9.5 deg from someone on the list. I then checked
the archives and read 8.5. I set it at 8 and am getting 2800 - 2900 rpm on
takeoff. I should be getting more. I know it is a carburetor issue. I
will be tuning it this weekend. It still sputters a bit at full throttle,
so I run it cracked from full. As soon as I get the carb right, I will
reset the pitch.
R/
Brandon
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator Recommendations |
You're absolutely correct, that's why you need to know the voltage
that the power consumption figures were stated for in order to
calculate current. But you'll get close enough if you assume 12 Volts
for a 12/14 Volt system or 24 Volts for a 24/28 Volt system. It's
not necessary to know the current draw to the nearest tenth of an
Amp. You should design for at least 120% of your expected load anyway.
A resistive load will not consume the same power at different
voltages but regulated power supply might. These HID lights have a
power supply circuit between the bulb and the power source so they
are not a simple resistive load. Their power consumption curve may
not be linear with voltage. They are a whole lot more efficient at
producing light than a halogen light.
> <david_a_g_johnson@btinternet.com>
>
> maybe I'm missing a crucial point, but if the voltage drops, then
> so does the current - Ohm's Law
>
> Dave Johnson
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Ohm's Law, and when it counts. (Caution: Actual electronic |
wisdom included.)
Hi Dave,
I am partially responsible for this whole line of discussion, so I
will try to explain the actual truth.
First, Ohm's law always applies to simple circuits like a battery
and light bulb with a switch and/or circuit breaker. The actual Law
is: I = E/R, and power is expressed as P=IE.
The letters are defined: I is Current; E is voltage (electromotive
force); R is resistance; and P is power.
You are absolutely correct when describing a simple circuit -- when
the voltage drops so does the current. The constant in this
discussion is the resistance of the light bulb. The power
specification for the light bulb is given at some specified (or
implied) voltage, but the bulb acts as a simple resistive load for the battery.
A "Switching Power Supply" is a good example of a load that presents
a constant power load rather than a constant resistance load. This
is the kind of circuit the power cord in your personal computer
connects to. It uses a special "Regulator" circuit to produce a
constant voltage output for your computer mother board (and other
devices in the computer box). If you give it a constant load and
reduce the line input voltage then it will draw more current from the
line to maintain constant power output. Similarly, if you increase
the load (for example by turning on a disk drive) and continue to
supply the same line voltage it will draw more current from the power
line to maintain a constant output voltage.
I think it is unlikely that you will find such a complicated load in
an aircraft landing light. Still, the start-up process in the
landing light could require more power and current than the steady
state load. This would probably last less than one second and might
require a larger circuit breaker or fuse for the circuit. This start
up surge in current probably is not significant when considering the
required generator or battery size.
A ballast is actually a simple transformer. You will find one of
these things in a fluorescent light fixture. This is used to convert
alternating current from one voltage to another. It cannot be used
in a direct current circuit like an aircraft landing light.
I only wish I could understand the electrical load presented by an
electric motor. Alas, I never figured out how to deal with that sort of gizmo.
Paul
XL fuselage
(recovering electrical engineer)
do not archive
At 03:38 AM 12/2/2006, you wrote:
>maybe I'm missing a crucial point, but if the voltage drops, then so
>does the current - Ohm's Law
>
>Dave Johnson
--
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL - Engine out / Glide Experience |
Dave-
Scratch build. Ask around the list- sooner or later, you wind up
scratch building something anyway, so don't use lack of funds as an
excuse. You're not the first! For a couple hundred bucks worth of sheet
stock, you can build your stab. At least you're making progress!
I remember an article in SP where Bingelis responded to people who
complained about not having a shop. At one time, he was stationed in
Japan, and the only "Shop" he had was a closet. Managed to fabricate the
wing ribs and other small parts for an Emaraude and eventually finished
it.
Like Red Green says- "We're all in there pulling for you."
Incidentally, I agree with your assessment of flight instructors. In
my opinion, if you don't come out of a biennial with your shirt sticking
to your back, you didn't get your money's worth.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Thompson
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL - Engine out / Glide Experience
My primary flight instructor before I got my license in the 70's was a
crusty, crabby old ex-Marine flight instructor (I know, once a Marine,
always a Marine). It seemed that we spent more time on Emergency
procedures than basic flight. He had me learn very steep slips,
simulated electrical failures and engine off procedures. One time we
flew out to a California desert dry lake and he pulled back the throttle
several miles away. This was while I was plotting a new course. He had
me follow through and actually land on the lake bed. When I attempted to
take off again from a full stop, he pulled back the throttle again at
about 500 feet. He then told me that the scratch on the lake bed ahead
was a "bunch of bushes" that I had to avoid on landing again. We
performed several "forced landings" and "aborted take-offs" that day. On
the way back to EMT (El Monte, CA) he pulled back the throttle again
over a rural part of town. He gave me power again at about 200 feet over
a deserted road. We had three more similar days before I had my final
check ride.
At the time, I was very irritated with him. Several years later, the
two-cycle engine seized in my B1RD ultralight and I had to make a forced
landing on a highway center meridian. When the engine quit, I calmly
remembered my training and experience and flew the ultralight all the
way down to a perfect landing. I was pleasantly surprised at how calm I
was during that emergency.
There is no better way to prepare yourself for an emergency than
practice.
Dave Thompson
dave.thompson@verizon.net
Westminster, CA
601XL rudder workshop, Corvair engine in parts and no money for a kit.
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| Subject: | Re: fuel selector, flap control |
Ok, but the OP was trying to make things easier by having the BOTH setting. Having
to change fuel management style during the flight isn't any easier.
amyvega2005(at)earthlink. wrote:
> all,
>
> Zenith's news letter #122 dated Jan 2001 has an interesting report from a gent
in Switzerland on the fuel tank selector subject He states" Both position is
used until 1/2 tank. to assure pilot switches to one tank, blinking light warns
of half tank status. Below 25 liters a panel light warns of low tank.
>
>
> --
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=78656#78656
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| Subject: | Re: fuel selector, flap control |
Thanks for everyone's input on this. I've learned a great deal. I had no
idea that the kit had a preferred fuel selector or the flap control.
I have learned a great deal about the differences between the typical C172
which I'm used to and a low wing plane which I would be learning to fly
myself.
I now understand the point of fuel management with left/right and the issues
that are posed from a 'both' indicator on a low wing that doesn't have an
air channel between both tanks, etc.
I also appreciate the simple 1 thousand 1, 1 thousand 2, etc. for the flaps.
I did not know that the flap control in the Zodiac XL Kit worked like that
and now that I do it helps make something that I thought was more complex,
seem just as easy.
Thank you all for your patience with me and your input so that I could
learn.
Thanks,
Josh Olson
Email: mrbizi@yahoo.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gig Giacona
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 12:21 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: fuel selector, flap control
Ok, but the OP was trying to make things easier by having the BOTH setting.
Having to change fuel management style during the flight isn't any easier.
amyvega2005(at)earthlink. wrote:
> all,
>
> Zenith's news letter #122 dated Jan 2001 has an interesting report from a
gent in Switzerland on the fuel tank selector subject He states" Both
position is used until 1/2 tank. to assure pilot switches to one tank,
blinking light warns of half tank status. Below 25 liters a panel light
warns of low tank.
>
>
> --
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=78656#78656
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator Recommendations |
Go to the documentation with the lights. And do not archive.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Bryan Martin
> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 1:35 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Alternator Recommendations
>
>
> <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>
> You're absolutely correct, that's why you need to know the voltage
> that the power consumption figures were stated for in order to
> calculate current. But you'll get close enough if you assume
> 12 Volts
> for a 12/14 Volt system or 24 Volts for a 24/28 Volt system. It's
> not necessary to know the current draw to the nearest tenth of an
> Amp. You should design for at least 120% of your expected load anyway.
>
> A resistive load will not consume the same power at different
> voltages but regulated power supply might. These HID lights have a
> power supply circuit between the bulb and the power source so they
> are not a simple resistive load. Their power consumption curve may
> not be linear with voltage. They are a whole lot more efficient at
> producing light than a halogen light.
>
>
> > <david_a_g_johnson@btinternet.com>
> >
> > maybe I'm missing a crucial point, but if the voltage drops, then
> > so does the current - Ohm's Law
> >
> > Dave Johnson
>
>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL,
> RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
> do not archive.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: fuel selector, flap control |
For the flap control, look at this:
You can order it through:
Rgds Martin
Zodiac XL CZAW QBK
--------
Martin Pohl
Zodiac XL QBK
8645 Jona, Switzerland
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I once had a car that would cover four hundred miles without refueling. Tha
t's about six hours on a interstate highway. I did drive it that far witho
ut refueling once. But as an everyday action four hours is a long time to
sit in a luxury car. Four hours in a light plane is an ordeal. How big is
your bladder? Does anyone on this list ever or regularly fly their XL or 7
01 more than four hours on any leg? If so how often.=0A =0AA standard XL c
arries at least twenty gallons. For some reason I am thinking it may be tw
enty three gallons. I really do not remember. I do not think that any of
the popular engine choices burn more than about four gallons an hour. Usin
g that data we should get at least five hours of cruise as a general rule.
Of course it would be fool hearted to not to allow for a reserve. So lets
say we have four hours to cruise and can land with a more than generous res
erve. Unless we have been in a two hour bank neither tank should "suck air
" either.=0A =0ASo why not just plumb all the tanks together. Put one shu
t off valve in the cockpit. This way we can save some time,weight and mone
y. Then plan your flight so that you land with at least thirty minute's of
fuel. If that's not enough add a couple leading edge tanks and plumb th
em in with the rest as well. It just sounds simpler. In my not so humble op
inion this simplistic approach would breed far more safety than any possibl
e valve arrangement.=0A =0AI would love to hear some realistic feed back to
this simplistic approach. I am not an expert on fuel management but I thi
nk I am going to do this on mine.=0A =0ABrett Hanley=0ANW HOUSTON TEXAS=0A
=0APS If anyone is interested I am looking for a hanger mate on a small pri
vate airstrip near the intersection of Jones Road and FM1960. Home builders
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| Subject: | "do not archive" and a whole lot more |
Am I being thick, or should every light hearted, or in much of this group's,
vitriolic response be ended with the words " do not archive". Or ."DO NOT
ARCHIVE", or any combination of those letters, either UPPER or lower case?
I have nothing to do with the Matronics, but if it was my web site I would
be more than pissed off with all the throw away comments, some funny, and in
MANY cases very rude, IF NOT CRUDE comments that do not have "do not
archive".
Having got that off my chest, I shall move on to my second problem.
I am building a 601HD in Britain, but am thinking of signing off from this
group because there is more to the world than the USA.
I realise that the US is, and has to be the world's policeman, but the US is
only a small part of the world. PLEASE DO NOT INSULT OR RUBBISH THE REST!
MOST OF US ARE ON YOUR SIDE!
This group has, over the last two or three months been a most uncomfortable
place for many members. Please try to keep all comments and replies
suitable for your children to read.
One or two of the recent ones have been over the top!
GOD, (mine or yours) I feel better to have got that off my chest.
Andy Ackland
601HD, Tail done, working on wings
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Sputtering Corvair: was RE: Warp Drive pitch: was Re: N601XT |
flies... for real this
Noel,
I am running 100LL. By timing, I assume you are referring to Ignition advance,
which was set on a bench top tester by WW. I will triple check idle timing,
but I am pretty sure it is carburetor.
R/
Brandon
Do not archive
>>If it sputters a bit at full throttle you may have a problem with the timing
>>( you said you would be at that this weekend) or it could be something as
>>mundane as too low an octane rating in your fuel.... Try some high octane
>>stuff to be sure.
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| Subject: | the Dew Knot Arc syndrome |
Yes, we're all glad you got that off your chest. Welcome to the List.
It's not perfect; never will be.....it was invented by an American politician.
Most of the time there are serious questions posed.
Most of the time answers are suggested by those who have already crossed that bridge.
At other times, especially when traffic slows down to just a trickle, and in order
to check for proper functioning of the World Wide Web, Test Posts are submitted.
These tests usually reference some already-well-known subject so they are easily
recognized and therefore may be quickly deleted. The famous 'ScotchBrite Pad'
test comes to mind.....it has been used several times.
Matters of faith and politics are not normally discussed since neither A4 nor A5
rivets fit either.
The only requisites for continued participation are a sense of humor and a thick
skin.
Americans, generally, and most of our neighbors to the North, are endowed with
both traits.
With several billion (about 11 or 12 zeroes as we count here) connected to the
Internet on the planet, there will always be a few malcontents. This group has
their own organization.....we call them terrorists. Nothing pleases them.
You are certainly welcome to stay on this List. No guarantee that you'll always
receive "Happy Mail" but if you hang in there you WILL build an airplane and
at sometime during the process you'll pick up something helpful here.
End of Soap Box Lecture No.28
Zed/701/R912/do not archive or anything
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| Subject: | "do not archive" and a whole lot more |
What part of the UK are you living in? I'll rule out Scotland as you
said
"Britain". Tell us a bit more about the plans for your plane. Engine
and
Landing gear config would be a good place to start.
We are supposed to put the do not archive statement in the body of the
post
so that only items of on topic nature will be archived for search
purposes.
I have to be honest in saying that I have been accused of off topic
comments
( I hope not off colour) and often I forget the archive statement.
BTW the archive statement is in the body of this text and the server
will
not add this post to the archives.
Noel
Newfoundland, Canada
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
Ackland
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 10:28 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: "do not archive" and a whole lot more
Am I being thick, or should every light hearted, or in much of this
group's,
vitriolic response be ended with the words " do not archive". Or ."DO
NOT
ARCHIVE", or any combination of those letters, either UPPER or lower
case?
I have nothing to do with the Matronics, but if it was my web site I
would
be more than pissed off with all the throw away comments, some funny,
and in
MANY cases very rude, IF NOT CRUDE comments that do not have "do not
archive".
Having got that off my chest, I shall move on to my second problem.
I am building a 601HD in Britain, but am thinking of signing off from
this
group because there is more to the world than the USA.
I realise that the US is, and has to be the world's policeman, but the
US is
only a small part of the world. PLEASE DO NOT INSULT OR RUBBISH THE
REST!
MOST OF US ARE ON YOUR SIDE!
This group has, over the last two or three months been a most
uncomfortable
place for many members. Please try to keep all comments and replies
suitable for your children to read.
One or two of the recent ones have been over the top!
GOD, (mine or yours) I feel better to have got that off my chest.
Andy Ackland
601HD, Tail done, working on wings
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | N601XT flight photos |
Gents,
For those interested, I put some pictures on the net of my flight this week.
The thumbnails go to slightly larger pics.
http://mcgirt.net/~ars2006/ars2006/Desktop.html
VR/
Brandon Tucker
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| Subject: | Re: "do not archive" and a whole lot more |
On 12/2/06, Andrew Ackland <andrewack@clara.co.uk> wrote:
> GOD, (mine or yours) I feel better to have got that off my chest.
And may the spirit of Dave Allen's humor go with us all!
Ihab
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Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL - Engine out / Glide Experience |
Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote: st1\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#ieooui)
} Dave-
Scratch build. Ask around the list- sooner or later, you wind up scratch
building something anyway, so don't use lack of funds as an excuse. You're not
the first! For a couple hundred bucks worth of sheet stock, you can build
your stab. At least you're making progress!
I remember an article in SP where Bingelis responded to people who complained
about not having a shop. At one time, he was stationed in Japan, and the
only "Shop" he had was a closet. Managed to fabricate the wing ribs and other
small parts for an Emaraude and eventually finished it.
Like Red Green says- "We're all in there pulling for you."
Incidentally, I agree with your assessment of flight instructors. In my opinion,
if you don't come out of a biennial with your shirt sticking to your
back, you didn't get your money's worth.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Thompson
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL - Engine out / Glide Experience
My primary flight instructor before I got my license in the 70s was a
crusty, crabby old ex-Marine flight instructor (I know, once a Marine, always
a Marine). It seemed that we spent more time on Emergency procedures than
basic flight. He had me learn very steep slips, simulated electrical failures
and engine off procedures. One time we flew out to a California desert
dry lake and he pulled back the throttle several miles away. This was while
I was plotting a new course. He had me follow through and actually land
on the lake bed. When I attempted to take off again from a full stop, he
pulled back the throttle again at about 500 feet. He then told me that the
scratch on the lake bed ahead was a bunch of bushes that I had to avoid on
landing again. We performed several forced landings and aborted take-offs that
day. On the way back to EMT (El Monte, CA) he pulled back the throttle
again over a rural part of town. He gave
me power again at about 200 feet over a deserted road. We had three more similar
days before I had my final check ride.
At the time, I was very irritated with him. Several years later, the two-cycle
engine seized in my B1RD ultralight and I had to make a forced landing
on a highway center meridian. When the engine quit, I calmly remembered my
training and experience and flew the ultralight all the way down to a perfect
landing. I was pleasantly surprised at how calm I was during that emergency.
There is no better way to prepare yourself for an emergency than practice.
Dave Thompson
dave.thompson@verizon.net
Westminster, CA
601XL rudder workshop, Corvair engine in parts and no money for a kit.
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