---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/04/06: 76 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:01 AM - Grand Rapids Horizon I (laurens ackerman) 2. 01:45 AM - Re: "do not archive" and a whole lot more (secatur) 3. 02:20 AM - Re: 801 Cargo Pod (n801bh@netzero.com) 4. 04:39 AM - Re: 801 Cargo Pod (Zodie Rocket) 5. 05:28 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 12/03/06 (Michial Pedri) 6. 06:10 AM - Banned Aussies?? (do not archive) (R.P.) 7. 06:12 AM - Rotec radial engine? (DAVID MILLER) 8. 07:04 AM - Re: 801 Cargo Pod (n801bh@netzero.com) 9. 07:04 AM - Re: stick switches and fuel selector valve (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 10. 07:04 AM - Re: 701 POH (LRM) 11. 07:16 AM - Re: Rotec radial engine? (Neitzel) 12. 07:28 AM - Re: xxx Re: 701 POH (John Bolding) 13. 07:35 AM - Re: 701 POH (Chris Lewis) 14. 07:48 AM - Re: 701 POH (Bryan Martin) 15. 08:11 AM - Rotec radial engine? (Brandon Tucker) 16. 08:16 AM - Re: 701 POH (nyterminat@aol.com) 17. 09:30 AM - Re: Banned Aussies?? (do not archive) (Elwood140@aol.com) 18. 09:38 AM - Re: Re: "do not archive" and a whole lot more () 19. 10:17 AM - Forward Skin Access (Jaybannist@cs.com) 20. 10:29 AM - Re: Forward Skin Access (Craig Payne) 21. 10:46 AM - Re: Forward Skin Access (Juan Vega) 22. 10:47 AM - Re: Re: "do not archive" and a whole lot more (Juan Vega) 23. 10:55 AM - Re: 701 POH (Juan Vega) 24. 10:55 AM - Re: 701 POH (Al Young) 25. 10:56 AM - Re: Re: 701 POH (Juan Vega) 26. 10:58 AM - Re: Forward Skin Access (Terry Phillips) 27. 11:03 AM - Re: Rotec radial engine? (Eddie G.) 28. 11:15 AM - Re: Forward Skin Access (Jaybannist@cs.com) 29. 11:16 AM - Re: Forward Skin Access (Jaybannist@cs.com) 30. 11:23 AM - Re: Forward Skin Access (Jaybannist@cs.com) 31. 11:37 AM - Re: Forward Skin Access (JOHN STARN) 32. 11:47 AM - Rotec radial engine? (DAVID MILLER) 33. 12:03 PM - Re: Forward Skin Access (Juan Vega) 34. 12:05 PM - Re: Re: Rotec radial engine? (Juan Vega) 35. 12:07 PM - Re: Forward Skin Access (Craig Payne) 36. 12:23 PM - Re: Rotec radial engine? (Eddie G.) 37. 12:25 PM - Re: Re: Rotec radial engine? (Craig Payne) 38. 12:35 PM - Re: Forward Skin Access (Craig Payne) 39. 12:36 PM - Camera question (Zed Smith) 40. 12:39 PM - Re: Forward Skin Access (Craig Payne) 41. 12:53 PM - Re: Rotec radial engine? (Eddie G.) 42. 01:06 PM - Re: Forward Skin Access () 43. 01:28 PM - (Josh Olson) 44. 01:30 PM - Re: Forward Skin Access (Charles Wacker) 45. 01:58 PM - Re: Camera question (Eddie G.) 46. 02:01 PM - Re: Camera question (kevinbonds) 47. 02:46 PM - Re: Rotec radial engine? (Graeme) 48. 02:54 PM - Re: N601XT flight photos (Ron Lendon) 49. 02:59 PM - Re: 701 POH (Carl Bertrand) 50. 03:21 PM - Re: Forward Skin Access (Juan Vega) 51. 03:31 PM - Re: 801 Cargo Pod (Zodie Rocket) 52. 03:35 PM - Fuel Tank Ends (Ron Lendon) 53. 03:41 PM - Re: Re: Rotec radial engine? (Juan Vega) 54. 04:49 PM - Re: "do not archive" and a whole lot more (secatur) 55. 04:56 PM - Re: Camera question (LarryMcFarland) 56. 05:01 PM - Re: Banned Aussies?? (do not archive) (R.P.) 57. 05:06 PM - Re: Banned Aussies?? (do not archive) (Elwood140@aol.com) 58. 05:10 PM - Re: Forward Skin Access (LarryMcFarland) 59. 05:17 PM - Re: Rotec radial engine? (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 60. 05:40 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Ends (LarryMcFarland) 61. 05:59 PM - Re: Camera question (Craig Payne) 62. 06:16 PM - Re: OFF TOPIC Camera question (Noel Loveys) 63. 06:31 PM - Re: Banned Aussies?? (do not archive) (JOHN STARN) 64. 06:38 PM - Re: "do not archive" and a whole lot more (David X) 65. 06:51 PM - Re: Forward Skin Access (ALAN BEYER) 66. 07:26 PM - Re: Forward Skin Access (Juan Vega) 67. 07:27 PM - Re: Forward Skin Access (Juan Vega) 68. 07:35 PM - Re: Forward Skin Access (Juan Vega) 69. 07:45 PM - Re: 701 POH (Tebenkof@aol.com) 70. 08:08 PM - New information (Tim & Diane Shankland) 71. 08:09 PM - Re: Forward Skin Access (LarryMcFarland) 72. 08:26 PM - Re: Need a 601 conditional inspection work sheet (JOHN STARN) 73. 08:47 PM - Re: New information (Paul Mulwitz) 74. 08:56 PM - 912 Oil Leak (john H) 75. 09:11 PM - 801 inflight breakup in 2003 (Peter Chapman) 76. 09:46 PM - 801 Elevator Extension (Dave Ruddiman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:01:31 AM PST US From: "laurens ackerman" Subject: Zenith-List: Grand Rapids Horizon I Does anyone in this list have any experience with the Grand Rapids Horizon I EFIS and EIS? -- Laurens Ackerman lackerma@gmail.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:45:01 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: "do not archive" and a whole lot more From: "secatur" I read the posts every night, but am I missing something ? Where are all these "horrendous off colour over the top " comments people keep referring to???? Is there another forum I don't know about? or a special password to get into the good stuff? Or maybe Aussies are just banned? lol Do Not Archive I guess ! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=78967#78967 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:20:22 AM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 Cargo Pod There are/was only two 801's with the cargo pods that I have seen. One i s the 801 with the Walter Lom 6 cyl doing missionary work down in centra l america. The other one is the Lom powered one that disintigrated in mi d air over at Nicholas Ca a few years back. I believe they are custom bu ilt units. Art Mitchell built both I think but he is probably never goin g to give any insite cause of the 801 he built was the fatal incident pl ane and you can bet his legal team has suggested he clam up. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Dave Ruddiman" wrote: Hello Fellow 801 Builders, (you other guys too) Is the cargo pod I've se en pictures of a custom made installation or are there plans somewhere. I'm not sure if I would need one but there is probably mounting reinforc ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ==============

There are/was only two 801's with the cargo pods that I ha ve seen. One is the 801 with the Walter Lom 6 cyl doing missionary work down in central america. The other one is the Lom powered one that disin tigrated in mid air over at Nicholas Ca a few years back. I believe they are custom built units. Art Mitchell built both I think but he is proba bly never going to give any insite cause of the 801 he built was the fat al incident plane and you can bet his legal team has suggested he clam u p.

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Is the cargo pod I've seen pictures of a custom made installation or are there plans somewhere. I'm not sure if I would need one but there is probably mounting reinforcements that nee d to be installed in case I decided to.
 
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________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:09 AM PST US From: "Zodie Rocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 801 Cargo Pod Lets add a bit to this, Art is back in Missionary work where he is truly happy doing the lords work. He is not completely gone from our lives and has helped us out on several occasions. The Cargo pod=92s napkin drawings have been given to Can-Zac Aviation and we do plan on offering a pod for both the 801 and the 701 for the 2008 season. As for the 801 incident, this plane had several hundred hours on it and it broke up at about 14,000 + feet in which the pilot and passenger were proven to be heavily impaired with narcotics and possibly doing aerobatics at high altitude. Art and all of the Zenith family have been cleared from that incident. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. HYPERLINK "mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n801bh@netzero.com Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:18 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 Cargo Pod There are/was only two 801's with the cargo pods that I have seen. One is the 801 with the Walter Lom 6 cyl doing missionary work down in central america. The other one is the Lom powered one that disintigrated in mid air over at Nicholas Ca a few years back. I believe they are custom built units. Art Mitchell built both I think but he is probably never going to give any insite cause of the 801 he built was the fatal incident plane and you can bet his legal team has suggested he clam up. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Dave Ruddiman" wrote: Hello Fellow 801 Builders, (you other guys too) Is the cargo pod I've seen pictures of a custom made installation or are there plans somewhere. I'm not sure if I would need one but there is probably mounting reinforcements that need to be installed in case I decided to. Dave in Salem roelectric.com com/">www.buildersbooks.com kitlog.com homebuilthelp.com www.matronics.com/contribution ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List "http://www.aeroelectric.com"www.aeroelectric.com "http://www.buildersbooks.com"www.buildersbooks.com "http://www.kitlog.com"www.kitlog.com "http://www.homebuilthelp.com"www.homebuilthelp.com "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribu tion "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Zenith-List -- 12/2/2006 -- 12/2/2006 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:38 AM PST US From: Michial Pedri Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 12/03/06 Please remove me from the zenith list. Thank you, Mike Pedri Zenith-List Digest Server wrote: * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Zenith-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Zenith-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 06-12-03&Archive=Zenith Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 06-12-03&Archive=Zenith =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/03/06: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:18 AM - Re: the Dew Knot Arc syndrome (Edward Moody II) 2. 07:01 AM - Re: 601XL - Engine out / Glide Experience (Gary Boothe) 3. 07:33 AM - Re: N601XT flight photos (LarryMcFarland) 4. 07:46 AM - Fw: Too picky? (Bill Naumuk) 5. 07:54 AM - Re: N601XT flight photos (Bill Naumuk) 6. 07:58 AM - Re: N601XT flight photos (Jeff) 7. 08:47 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 12/02/06 (John Anderson) 8. 08:53 AM - Fuel systems (MaxNr@aol.com) 9. 09:28 AM - stick switches and fuel selector valve (john butterfield) 10. 09:42 AM - Re: stick switches and fuel selector valve (Craig Payne) 11. 11:28 AM - Re: stick switches and fuel selector valve (LarryMcFarland) 12. 11:34 AM - 801 Cargo Pod (Dave Ruddiman) 13. 11:42 AM - Re: 601XL - Engine out / Glide Experience (Dave Thompson) 14. 11:53 AM - Re: stick switches and fuel selector valve (Edward Moody II) 15. 04:07 PM - Re: stick switches and fuel selector valve (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 16. 04:07 PM - Re: stick switches and fuel selector valve (RURUNY@aol.com) 17. 05:35 PM - Re: stick switches and fuel selector valve (Juan Vega) 18. 05:45 PM - Re: Fw: Too picky? (Tim & Diane Shankland) 19. 06:37 PM - Re: N601XT flight photos (Brandon Tucker) 20. 09:49 PM - 701 POH (Tebenkof@aol.com) 21. 10:24 PM - Re: 701 POH (Dave Ruddiman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:57 AM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: the Dew Knot Arc syndrome Yep Zed, I agree. We have to hope that the rest of the world does descend into the dementia that consumes the American court system such that everybody who gets his or her feelings hurt or offended is devastated by the experince and requires some restitution. I get ticked off about something almost every day but I haven't asked for or received any compensation for it. Sort the wheat from the chaff and all that. Here's to brotherhood, thick skin (not to mention my thick head), and a hearty Hi Ho Do Not Archive!!!! The lone builder rides again, Ed ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:07 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL - Engine out / Glide Experience Dave, Ditto....Bill talked me into scratch building after I had purchased tail and wing kits. I am saving thousands of $$ just on the Center Section! The best part though, there is ENORMOUS satisfaction from making every part! Good luck with your project, Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, Tail done, wings done, working on c-section Bill Naumuk wrote: Dave- Scratch build. Ask around the list- sooner or later, you wind up scratch building something anyway, so don't use lack of funds as an excuse. You're not the first! For a couple hundred bucks worth of sheet stock, you can build your stab. At least you're making progress!..... Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa Dave Thompson dave.thompson@verizon.net Westminster, CA 601XL rudder workshop, Corvair engine in parts and no money for a ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:55 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: N601XT flight photos Congratulations Brandon, You're going to be an easy one to see with that paint scheme. Nice airplane. Well done. Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Brandon Tucker wrote: > Gents, > > For those interested, I put some pictures on the net of my flight > this week. The thumbnails go to slightly larger pics. > > http://mcgirt.net/~ars2006/ars2006/Desktop.html > > > VR/ > > Brandon Tucker > > > Do not archive > > * > =============================== > > * ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:16 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Fw: Too picky? > Carlos- > I found that premade flannel bonnets work much better than anything > else with my rotary polisher and the rough grits. Now I'm down to the > final S compound and flannel tucked in under the elastic of a wool bonnet > and there are certain spots that defy a final shine. The flannel loads up > in no time, too. I scrap bonnets/swatches when they load up- Ma won't hear > of putting them in HER washing machine! Contamination? After the C stage, > I wiped the surface down with alcohol and paper towels to remove the > excess. > I'm starting to wonder if my problem is temperature related. My shop is > heated with a ventless propane garage heater, but I'm reluctant to leave > it burning when I'm not working. Maybe the aluminum is still cold-soaked > even though the ambient temperature is comfortable. > Have you noticed anything temperature related? I'll admit that with > hunting season, getting ready for winter, and routine maintenance around > the house I haven't been able to get my 13hrs a week in on the project but > I've been polishing the C section since October! > Bill Naumuk > HDS Fuselage > Townville, Pa > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carlos Sa" > To: "Bill Naumuk" > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 10:38 PM > Subject: Re: Too picky? > > >> Hello, Bill >> >> >> I think I went through that myself, but it was due to my specific working >> conditions and method: >> When I was using aluminum polishing compounds, the compound used on the >> first pass left behind >> deposits of very fine material (much like sand), and when I used the >> compound for finishing, >> since I was working on a flat, horizontal surface, I picked up those >> deposits, and nasty swirls >> ensued. >> >> In another occasion (using the famous Mother's paste), I was using cheap >> paper towels, and those >> were messing my finish. I learned my lesson, and now only use "expensive" >> paper towels. >> >> So, in your case, I would look for (a) contamination or >> (b)imperfections/roughness on the buffer >> material itself (terry cloth bonnets? wool? felt?). You may need to >> experimet with different >> buffer on a test piece... >> >> Of course, there is the remote chance that you are pickier than I am... >> ;-) >> >> Seriously, I hope this gives you some idea where to look for a fix. >> >> Cheers >> >> Carlos >> >> --- Bill Naumuk wrote: >> >>> Carlos- >>> I can't seem to get the finish I want. I'm directly under >>> fluorescent lights and I wonder >>> if I'm not overdoing it. I'm to the point where I'll be polishing right >>> through the skin if I'm >>> not careful, and still can't get rid of the scratches. >>> Thoughts? >>> Bill Naumuk >>> HDS Fuselage >>> Townville, Pa >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:45 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: N601XT flight photos Brandon- Love the paint job. Do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Brandon Tucker Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 10:54 PM Subject: Zenith-List: N601XT flight photos Gents, For those interested, I put some pictures on the net of my flight this week. The thumbnails go to slightly larger pics. http://mcgirt.net/~ars2006/ars2006/Desktop.html VR/ Brandon Tucker Do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:18 AM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: RE: Zenith-List: N601XT flight photos Brandon, It takes a special person to paint flames on their airplane! Great looking job! Jeff Davidson do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LarryMcFarland Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 10:32 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: N601XT flight photos Congratulations Brandon, You're going to be an easy one to see with that paint scheme. Nice airplane. Well done. Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Brandon Tucker wrote: > Gents, > > For those interested, I put some pictures on the net of my flight > this week. The thumbnails go to slightly larger pics. > > http://mcgirt.net/~ars2006/ars2006/Desktop.html > > > VR/ > > Brandon Tucker > > > Do not archive > > * > =============================== > > * ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:14 AM PST US From: "John Anderson" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 12/02/06 Hi Folks, I am compelled to comment on Zed Smith's post on the 12/02 list digest. Mark Twain could not have stated it better! Well done Zed! John Xl w/0235 will fly before year end Do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:38 AM PST US From: MaxNr@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel systems Do not archive The following "stream of consciousness" may have a germ of info for those with time to read it. Its sunday. I'm bored. It deals with turbine helicopter systems that I have known: Sikorsky 76 and Bell UH1-212-412-214ST. Type cetification: Sikorsky certified in FAA NE region. Required seperate tanks to isolate possible fuel contamination in any tank. Bell certified in the SW region. FAA SW didnt care about this. Tanks/cells: Sikorsky has two 141.5 gal TANKS, one for each motor. Mechanical fuel valves with cross feed. Bells have one filler into a big common fuel cell that that trickle down to series of 4 to 8 (depending on type,variant) cells under cabin floor. Left cells direct to no.1 engine, right for no.2. An elec. operated valve can be used to open an interconnect in bottom cells when level below 400 lbs. Elec operated on-off valves. Gauges: Sikorsky has one per tank. Capacitance with float type low level warning L/R. Bell has one gauge for the whole mish-mash, capacitance, with float type low level warn. Left and right. Pumps: Sikorsky uses engine driven pumps to start with JET INDUCERS for each engine to supplement the engine driven. Each jet inducer has a branch to the other eng and can feed both if an eng driven pump fails. Jet ind sort of like a venturi. Bell uses submerged boost pumps in lower cells. Both systems lift fuel about 5 feet to the engine driven pumps. If any Bell looses a boost pump, a 6,000 ft ceiling is imposed. You can guess why. A Sikorsky can fly up to its max allow. alt of 15,000 ft. with only jet ind. Fuel flow for both runs 300 to 450 lbs/hour, more with one eng inop. Two very different systems as a result of two FAA regions that type certified them. Parts some time break in Bells and poor lower vents slow refueling. Both very dependable. Both are certified in transport catagory FAR part 29. I've taken too much of your time. My XL will have single elec pump ahead of the gascolator and 3 position valve. do not archive Bob Dingley XL- rudder- Lyc ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:42 AM PST US From: john butterfield Subject: Zenith-List: stick switches and fuel selector valve hi list i am trying to decide what switches are really useful on the stick. i am going to use a radio transmit switch and perhaps an elevator trim. are they hard to wire, ect helpful hints are requested also, after looking at my fuel selector valve, it comes with loose screws and there is a reference to greasing the o-ring inside. i tried to pull the nozzle pieces out, but they are in very tight and i don't want to force them if no grease is necessary. the valve is the one supplied with the kit as for our English friend, remember the level of acrimony is inversely related to the level of intelligence of the poster. john butterfield 601XL, corvair torrance, ca ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:02 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: stick switches and fuel selector valve Some have an "Ident" button for their transponder on the stick. I assume they fly in controlled airspace a lot. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:02 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: stick switches and fuel selector valve Hi John, There's a tendency to put switches at the fingertips, but I'd resist more than the transmit switch for the control stick. Trim is a once or twice issue during flight and would place second to transmit activities. The prospect of chasing a broken wire in the control stick after the airworthiness is also a much larger problem if an when it happens. The idea of mixing wires to multifunction switches in the stick are best left to the computer joystick where you can set at a table to fix the errant connection. Being upside down in a 601 isn't a pretty picture. Recommendation is to keep it simple and put your trim switches on the panel near the throttle and the remaining switches in an order that can be memorized easily. I used colored shrink tubing to differentiate pumps from aux battery, the EIS and so forth. The o-ring is fuel proof, was probably greased before assembly and likely will not leak the first 10 years. Being in an aircraft probably suggested long term maintenance. I'd not try to get to it unless it becomes a problem or at least call the manufacturer for tech support. Best regards, Larry McFarland at www.macsmachine.com john butterfield wrote: > > hi list > i am trying to decide what switches are really useful > on the stick. i am going to use a radio transmit > switch and perhaps an elevator trim. are they hard to > wire, ect helpful hints are requested > > also, after looking at my fuel selector valve, it > comes with loose screws and there is a reference to > greasing the o-ring inside. i tried to pull the > nozzle pieces out, but they are in very tight and i > don't want to force them if no grease is necessary. > the valve is the one supplied with the kit > > as for our English friend, remember the level of > acrimony is inversely related to the level of > intelligence of the poster. > > john butterfield > 601XL, corvair > torrance, ca > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:29 AM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Zenith-List: 801 Cargo Pod Hello Fellow 801 Builders, (you other guys too) Is the cargo pod I've seen pictures of a custom made installation or are there plans somewhere. I'm not sure if I would need one but there is probably mounting reinforcements that need to be installed in case I decided to. Dave in Salem ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:48 AM PST US From: "Dave Thompson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL - Engine out / Glide Experience Steven & list, At the time I did not understand his methodology. Now, as an adult, I admire it. Someone mentioned spin training. We also got out of the C150 and performed some spins in a Citabria, also for some tail dragger time. His idea of unusual attitude training was almost inverted, almost in a stall. Another note is that he stressed "aircraft management", such as fuel and flaps. He would not allow me to use the "Both" position on the fuel selector. His reasoning was to make SURE that I was always aware of all my "assets" switching back and forth between the tanks to maintain trim. Everything he did was at the extreme edge. Every flight was task intensive so I would become comfortable with multi-tasking. I truly hope that I will remember my training when I get current again after my 25-years of not flying. I hope to find another "crusty old marine" when I start to become current again. I was never in military service (bad knees) but I do salute all our men & women in uniform, both now and in the past. P. S. Buck, rest his soul, was a WWII Corsair driver in the Pacific, later an F86 & F4 instructor. Boy, did he have some stories! Steven wrote: Being a retired Marine, I know about your training - especially if that Marine was a pilot from the WWII-mid Viet Nam era. We Marines understand how important it is to accomplish the mission with skill, knowledge, decisiveness, morality and ethics. Failure to teach new pilots how to fly the airplane above all else will deny them all of these things - putting their lives in more jeopardy than necessary. Glad you got the Marine ride. Dave Thompson dave.thompson@verizon.net Westminster, CA Do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:43 AM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: stick switches and fuel selector valve I've had a five button Ray Allen grip on the front stick in an ultralight for 3.5 years without any trouble. I will use a seven buttom version on my left stick and a one button grip on the right stick in my 601XL. The PTT at the 'trigger" position is not one that is easily accidentally activated unless you tend to be a bit clutzy. The elevator and aileron trim button are easy to access and completely intutitve to use. During the progress of a flight I change the trim as the fuel burn changes the CG and as speed changes as well. I expect the same to be true in the 601XL. In addition, I expect to use aileron trim to counter fuel use from the wing tanks. Since the Zodiac is a lot faster and more comfy than the UL, I expect to fly farther and longer on X-C flights. Because of that, I will have the transceiver frequency toggle function and the x-ponder Ident function wired to buttons on the left stick too. These grips are not terribly difficult to wire, they don't screw up in my experience, and the convenience is something I want to have. If you have room on the panel for trim switches and don't mind reaching there for those functions, keep your stick grip simple..... you can even put your ptt buttom there. If you like convenience, get the button-infested type of grip. I like the convenience. Ed Moody II Rayne, LA 601XL/Jabiru/baggage area ----- Original Message ----- From: john butterfield === message truncated == --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:07 AM PST US From: "R.P." Subject: Zenith-List: Banned Aussies?? (do not archive) ----- Original Message ----- From: "secatur" Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 1:43 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: "do not archive" and a whole lot more > > I read the posts every night, but am I missing something ? Where are all > these "horrendous off colour over the top " comments people keep referring > to???? > Is there another forum I don't know about? or a special password to get > into the good stuff? > Or maybe Aussies are just banned? > lol The list must filter out all the good stuff before it gets sent "down under". Here's a post that you might have missed: *********************** Australian Flight Review, Do Not Archive Hi Mate, I am writing to you because I need your help to get me bloody pilot's license back. You keep telling me you got all the right contacts. Well now's your chance to make something happen for me because, mate, I'm bloody desperate. But first, I'd better tell you what happened during my last flight review with the CAA Examiner On the phone, Ron (that's the CAA dickhead) seemed a reasonable sort of a bloke. He politely reminded me of the need to do a flight review every two years. He even offered to drive out, have a look over my property and let me operate from my own strip. Naturally I agreed to that. Anyway, Ron turned up last Wednesday. First up, he said he was a bit surprised to see the plane on a small strip outside my homestead, because the ALA (Authorised Landing Area) is about a mile away. I explained that because this strip was so close to the homestead, it was more convenient than the ALA, and despite the power lines crossing about midway down the strip, it's really not a problem to land and take-off, because at the halfway point down the strip you're usually still on the ground. For some reason Ron seemed nervous. So, although I had done the pre- flight inspection only four days earlier, I decided to do it all over again. Because the prick was watching me carefully, I walked around the plane three times instead of my usual two. My effort was rewarded because the colour finally returned to Ron's cheeks. In fact, they went a bright red. In view of Ron's obviously better mood, I told him I was going to combine the test flight with some farm work, as I had to deliver three poddy calves from the home paddock to the main herd. After a bit of a chase I finally caught the calves and threw them into the back of the ol' Cessna 172. We climbed aboard, but Ron started getting onto me about weight and balance calculations and all that crap. Of course I knew that sort of thing was a waste of time because, calves like to move around a bit particularly when they see themselves 500 feet off the ground! So, it's bloody pointless trying to secure them as you know. However, I did tell Ron that he shouldn't worry as I always keep the trim wheel set on neutral to ensure we remain pretty stable at all stages throughout the flight. Anyway, I started the engine and cleverly minimized the warm-up time by tramping hard on the brakes and gunning her to 2,500 rpm. I then discovered that Ron has very acute hearing, even though he was wearing a bloody headset. Through all that noise he detected a metallic rattle and demanded I account for it. Actually it began about a month ago and was caused by a screwdriver that fell down a hole in the floor and lodged in the fuel selector mechanism. The selector can't be moved now , but it doesn't matter because it's jammed on `All tanks', so I suppose that's Okay. However, as Ron was obviously a nit-picker, I blamed the noise on vibration from a stainless steel thermos flask which I keep in a beaut little possie between the windshield and the magnetic compass. My explanation seemed to relax Ron, because he slumped back in the seat and kept looking up at the cockpit roof. I released the brakes to taxi out, but unfortunately the plane gave a leap and spun to the right. "Hell" I thought, "not the starboard wheel chock again". The bump jolted Ron back to full alertness. He looked around just in time to see a rock thown by the prop-wash disappear completely through the windscreen of his brand new Commodore. "Now I'm really in trouble", I thought. While Ron was busy ranting about his car, I ignored his requirement that we taxi to the ALA, and instead took off under the power lines. Ron didn't sa y a word, at least not until the engine started coughing right at the lift off point, and then he bloody screamed his head off. "Oh God! Oh God! Oh God!" "Now take it easy, Ron" I told him firmly. "That often happens on take-off and there is a good reason for it". I explained patiently that I usually run the plane on standard MOGAS, but one day I accidentally put in a gallon or two of kerosene. To compensate for the low octane of the kerosene, I siphoned in a few gallons of super MOGAS and shook the wings up and down a few times to mix it up. Since then, the engine has been coughing a bit but in general it works just fine, if you know how to coax it properly. Anyway, at this stage Ron seemed to lose all interest in my test flight. He pulled out some rosary beads, closed his eyes and became lost in prayer. (I didn't think anyone was a Catholic these days). I selected some nice music on the HF radio to help him relax. BR>Meanwhile, I climbed to my normal cruising altitude of 10,500 feet. I don't normally put in a flight plan or get the weather because, as you know getting FAX access out here is a friggin' joke and the weather is always 8/8 blue anyway. But since I had that near miss with a Saab 340, I might have to change me thinking on that. Anyhow, on leveling out, I noticed some wild camels heading into my improved pasture. I hate bloody camels, and always carry a loaded . 303 clipped inside the door of the Cessna just in case I see any of the barstards. We were too high to hit them, but as a matter of principle, I decided to have a go through the open window. Mate, when I pulled the bloody rifle out, the effect on Ron was friggin' electric. As I fired the first shot his neck lengthened by about six inches and his eyes bulged like a rabbit with myxo. He really looked as if he had been jabbed with an electric cattle prod on full pow er. In fact, Ron's reaction was so distracting that I lost concentration for a second and the next shot went straight through the port tyre. Ron was a bit upset about the shooting (probably one of those pinko animal lovers I guess) so I decided not to tell him about our little problem with the tyre. Shortly afterwards I located the main herd and decided to do my fighter pilot trick. Ron had gone back to praying when, in one smooth sequence, I pulled on full flaps, cut the power and started a sideslip from 10,500 feet down to 500 feet at 130 knots indicated (the last time I looked anyway) and the little needle rushed up to the red area on me ASI. What a buzz, mate! About half way through the descent I looked back in the cabin to see the calves gracefully suspended in mid air and mooing like crazy. I was going to comment on this unusual sight, but Ron looked a bit green and had rolled himself into the fetal position and w as screamin' his freakin' head off. Mate, talk about being in a bloody zoo. You should've been there, it was so bloody funny! At about 500 feet I leveled out, but for some reason we kept sinking. When we reached 50 feet I applied full power but nothin' happened; no noise no nothin'. Then, luckily, I heard me instructor's voicein me head saying "carby heat, carby heat". So I pulled carby heat on and that helped quite a lot, with the engine finally regaining full power. Whew, that was really close, let me tell you! Then mate, you'll never guess what happened next! As luck would have it, at that height we flew into a massive dust cloud caused by the cattle and suddenly went I.F. bloody R, mate. BJ, you would have been really proud of me as I didn't panic once, not once, but I did make a mental note to consider an instrument rating as soon as me gyro is repaired (something I've been meaning to do for a while now). Sudden ly Ron's elongated neck and bulging eyes reappeared. His mouth opened wide, very wide, but no sound emerged. "Take it easy," I told him, "we'll be out of this in a minute". Sure enough, about a minute later we emerged, still straight and level and still at 50 feet. Admittedly I was surprised to notice that we were upside down, and I kept thinking to myself, "I hope Ron didn't notice that I had forgotten to set the QNH when we were taxiing". This minor tribulation forced me to fly to a nearby valley in which I had to do a half roll to get upright again. By now the main herd had divided into two groups leaving a narrow strip between them. "Ah!" I thought, "there's an omen. We'll land right there." Knowing that the tyre problem demanded a slow approach, I flew a couple of steep turns with full flap. Soon the stall warning horn was blaring so loud in me ear that I cut it's circuit breaker to shut it up, but by then I knew we were slow enough anyway. I turned steeply onto a 75 foot final and put her down with a real thud. Strangely enough, I had always thought you could only ground loop in a tail dragger but, as usual, I was proved wrong again! Halfway through our third loop, Ron at last recovered his sense of humour. Talk about laugh. I've never seen the likes of it. He couldn't stop. We finally rolled to a halt and I released the calves, who bolted out of the aircraft like there was no tomorrow. I then began picking clumps of dry grass. Between gut wrenching fits of laughter, Ron asked what I was doing. I explained that we had to stuff the port tyre with grass so we could fly back to the homestead. It was then that Ron really lost the plot and started running away from the aircraft. Can you believe it? The last time I saw him he was off into the distance, arms flailing in the air and still shrieking with laughter. I later heard that he had been confined to a psychiatric institution - poor bugger! Anyhow mate, that's enough about Ron. The problem is I got this letter from CASA withdrawing, as they put it, my privileges to fly; until I have undergone a complete pilot training course again and undertaken another flight proficiency test. Now I admit that I made a mistake in taxiing over the wheel chock and not setting the QNH using strip elevation, but I can't see what else I did that was a so bloody bad that they have to withdraw me flamin' license. Can you? Ralph H Bell Mud Creek Plantation ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:10 AM PST US From: "DAVID MILLER" Subject: Zenith-List: Rotec radial engine? Has anybody looked at using one of those 110 hp Rotec radials on a 60 1 XL? Anyone got any knowledge or experience with them or the company ? =0AThanks=0ADave Miller =0A(scratch build 601 XL) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:08 AM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 801 Cargo Pod I am aware of the impaired part but didn't know about the new owner putt ing on several hundred hours in such a short time. The 14,000+ altitude does explain the wreckage spread over two miles. I was in contact with the Faa office out in California and I thought they never could establis h the true height. How did you come up with that figure? The last I hea rd second hand was the horizontal stabilizer tip extensions Art put on t o give the LOM powered plane elevator authority broke and that sent the whole crash in motion. I am guessing that Can Zac used to be called Flyp ass, the company Art owned and ran? Inquiring minds and all..... do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Zodie Rocket" wrote: Lets add a bit to this, Art is back in Missionary work where he is truly happy doing the lords work. He is not completely gone from our lives an d has helped us out on several occasions. The Cargo pod=92s napkin drawi ngs have been given to Can-Zac Aviation and we do plan on offering a pod for both the 801 and the 701 for the 2008 season. As for the 801 incide nt, this plane had several hundred hours on it and it broke up at about 14,000 + feet in which the pilot and passenger were proven to be heavily impaired with narcotics and possibly doing aerobatics at high altitude. Art and all of the Zenith family have been cleared from that incident. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. president@can-zacaviation.com www.can-zacaviation.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-s erver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n801bh@netzero.com Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:18 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 Cargo Pod There are/was only two 801's with the cargo pods that I have seen. One i s the 801 with the Walter Lom 6 cyl doing missionary work down in centra l america. The other one is the Lom powered one that disintigrated in mi d air over at Nicholas Ca a few years back. I believe they are custom bu ilt units. Art Mitchell built both I think but he is probably never goin g to give any insite cause of the 801 he built was the fatal incident pl ane and you can bet his legal team has suggested he clam up. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Dave Ruddiman" wrote: Hello Fellow 801 Builders, (you other guys too) Is the cargo pod I've seen pictures of a custom made installation or are there plans somewhere. I'm not sure if I would need one but there is pr obably mounting reinforcements that need to be installed in case I decid ed to. Dave in Salem ===========roelectric.comcom/">www.buildersbooks .comkitlog.comhomebuilthelp.comwww.matronics.com/contribution==== =======">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List= ========== -- Please Support Your Lists Thi s Month -- (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) November is th e Annual List Fund Raiser. 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I am aware of the impaired part but didn't know about the new o wner putting on several hundred hours in such a short time. The 14,000+ altitude does explain the wreckage spread over  two miles. I was in contact with the Faa office out in California and I thought they never could establish the true height. How did you come up with that figure?&n bsp; The last I heard second hand was the horizontal stabilizer tip exte nsions Art put on to give the LOM powered plane elevator authority  broke and that sent the whole crash in motion. I am guessing that Can Za c used to be called Flypass, the company Art owned and ran? Inquiring mi nds and all.....

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-- "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>  wrote:

Lets add a bit to this, Art is back in Missionary work where he is truly happy doing the lords work. He is not completely gone from our lives and has helped us out on several occasions. The Cargo pod=92s na pkin drawings have been given to Can-Zac Aviation and we do plan on offering a pod for both the 801 and the 701 for t he 2008 season. As for the 801 incident, this plane had several hundred hours on it and it broke up at about 14,000 + feet in which the pilot an d passenger were proven to be heavily impaire d with narcotics and possibly doing aerobatics at high altitude. Art and all of the Zenith family have been cleared f rom that incident.

 

Mark T ownsend

Can-Za c Aviation Ltd.

president@can-zacaviation.com

www.can-zacaviation.com

 

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There are/was only two 801's with the ca rgo pods that I have seen. One is the 801 with the Walter Lom 6 cyl doing missionary work down in central america. The other one is the Lom powered one that disintigrated in mid air over at Nicholas Ca a few yea rs back. I believe they are custom built units. Art Mitchell built both I think but he is probably never going to give any insite cause of the 8 01 he built was the fatal incident plane and you can bet his legal team has suggested he clam up.

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N801BH
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________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:08 AM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: stick switches and fuel selector valve The supplied fuel selector was shipped without the screws in the right and left line inlets to allow you to rotate them if necessary, If you don't have to rotate them just put the screws back in and hook it up, I had to pull mine out and rotate them so the fittings would be tight and pointed in the right direction. the are hard to pull out and mine had plenty of grease in them already. The reason they rotate is so you don't have to over tighten the fitting and cause damage or crack the housing. Hope this helps. Jeff ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:55 AM PST US From: "LRM" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 POH Ok, I'm having a brain fart. What's a POH? I may want one or I may already have one. Larry, www.skyhawg.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Tebenkof@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 11:48 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 701 POH Any kind soul out there who can steer me to an appropriate model for the POH for my 701? The building work is just about done. I just woke up the fact that the paper work is not. Jim Greenough 701 / 99.5321% complete in Portland OR ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 11/28/2006 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:45 AM PST US From: "Neitzel" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rotec radial engine? Greetings, Seriously considered the Rotec radial for my 701, would really have looked and sounded neat. Talked with representatives while at Oshkosh and they were very informative and had nothing but good comments for their product. At the time there were not a lot of these engines out so not much of a track record. I eventually rejected the radial in favor of the 2200 Jabiru because that installation is 100 pounds lighter. After a long summer of other projects I am finally able to get back to pulling rivets. Need to finish the flaperons and slats then can start final assembly. Dick Neitzel Sayner, WI 701 Jabiru N962WB ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:37 AM PST US From: "John Bolding" Subject: Re: xxx Re: Zenith-List: 701 POH Man , I'm glad I never had any of those !! (yeah, right) Pilot Operating Handbook. LOW&SLOW John Ok, I'm having a brain fart. What's a POH? I may want one or I may already have one. Larry, www.skyhawg.com ----- ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:36 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 POH From: "Chris Lewis" There's a 701 Flight Manual "Sample" on the Zenith builder's page for the 701. It's from CZAW and should be a great place to start. Chris in Seattle -------- 701 Scratch Builder Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79033#79033 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:42 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 POH Pilot's Operating Handbook (They used to be called owner's manuals) On Dec 4, 2006, at 10:02 AM, LRM wrote: > Ok, I'm having a brain fart. What's a POH? I may want one or I > may already have one. > > Larry, www.skyhawg.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:10 AM PST US From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: Rotec radial engine? The engine is 130mm taller than the firewall. You won't have enough prop clearance for a 76" prop without gear modification. I hope to use the engine in a future biplane project, but it doesn't seem to be a fit for the XL. R/ Brandon Do not archive __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 POH From: nyterminat@aol.com Larry, You are required to have one. Pilot Operating Handbok Bob Spudis -----Original Message----- From: lrm@skyhawg.com Sent: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 POH Ok, I'm having a brain fart. What's a POH? I may want one or I may already have one. Larry, www.skyhawg.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Tebenkof@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 11:48 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 701 POH Any kind soul out there who can steer me to an appropriate model for the POH for my 701? The building work is just about done. I just woke up the fact that the paper work is not. Jim Greenough 701 / 99.5321% complete in Portland OR href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:26 AM PST US From: Elwood140@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Banned Aussies?? (do not archive) List, "Australian Flight Review" is one of the funniest pieces I've read in years. With Mr. Bell's permission, I would like to include it in my flying club's newsletter. Not sure how to obtain his permission. Anybody know this gentleman? DO NOT ARCHIVE Larry Wood (N701LW next spring maybe) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:09 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: "do not archive" and a whole lot more I suspect that it has something to do with the Corelolis Effect...... when a nasty diatribe crosses the equator from north to south, the natural spin is reversed and it becomes a happy missive. For instance the message, "Go straight to hell, eat cow dung and die, you gravy sucking pig!" would probably come out in Australia something like this: "While I disagree with your assessment, I am sure that there is ample room for civilized folks to hold differing opinions. Best wishes..... PS: How are the wife and kids?" So you can see how the hate emails would be completely different in character when you received them. On the other hand, there tends to be very few cordial emails on the list these days so you probably didn't even notice that they were screened out by your email server. In order for you to receive this eamil I regret that I will have to make it decidedly negative or it will get reversed into a nasty, insulting message which your server will automatically delete, so here goes....... I hope your prop flies off and gets stuck up your rear end, you JERK!!!!! Best Wishes, Ed Moody II Do Not Archive this piece of absolute crap!!! ---- secatur wrote: > > I read the posts every night, but am I missing something ? Where are all these "horrendous off colour over the top " comments people keep referring to???? > Is there another forum I don't know about? or a special password to get into the good stuff? > Or maybe Aussies are just banned? > lol ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:29 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access I am in the process of adding an access panel to the forward top skin, to be able to access the back side of the instrument panel after construction is complete. This is for a 601XL. I have a drawing in pdf format showing how I am doing this. If you would like to see the drawing, please contact me directly. Jay in Dallas Do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:37 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access Why not post the file to the file archive section of this list? -- Craig ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:21 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access Jay, please shoot me an email of the panel, i'd love a copy. Jvega@carterusa.com Juan Vega, Jr. Senior Vice President, Brokerage Services CARTER ONCOR International Cell: 813-784-7312 Juan Vega -----Original Message----- >From: Jaybannist@cs.com >Sent: Dec 4, 2006 1:16 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access > > >I am in the process of adding an access panel to the forward top skin, to be able to access the back side of the instrument panel after construction is complete. This is for a 601XL. I have a drawing in pdf format showing how I am doing this. If you would like to see the drawing, please contact me directly. > >Jay in Dallas >Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:30 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: "do not archive" and a whole lot more thats the nicest thing anyone has said to me. DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- >From: dredmoody@cox.net >Sent: Dec 4, 2006 12:37 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: "do not archive" and a whole lot more > > >I suspect that it has something to do with the Corelolis Effect...... when a nasty diatribe crosses the equator from north to south, the natural spin is reversed and it becomes a happy missive. > >For instance the message, > >"Go straight to hell, eat cow dung and die, you gravy sucking pig!" would probably come out in Australia something like this: > >"While I disagree with your assessment, I am sure that there is ample room for civilized folks to hold differing opinions. Best wishes..... PS: How are the wife and kids?" > >So you can see how the hate emails would be completely different in character when you received them. On the other hand, there tends to be very few cordial emails on the list these days so you probably didn't even notice that they were screened out by your email server. > >In order for you to receive this eamil I regret that I will have to make it decidedly negative or it will get reversed into a nasty, insulting message which your server will automatically delete, so here goes....... > >I hope your prop flies off and gets stuck up your rear end, you JERK!!!!! > >Best Wishes, > >Ed Moody II >Do Not Archive this piece of absolute crap!!! > >---- secatur wrote: >> >> I read the posts every night, but am I missing something ? Where are all these "horrendous off colour over the top " comments people keep referring to???? >> Is there another forum I don't know about? or a special password to get into the good stuff? >> Or maybe Aussies are just banned? >> lol > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:16 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 POH Dudes, if you go on line or get a DVD disk from zenith, they have a copy of the Chech rotax powered POH. you can use that as a template then inject usefull tidbits of info in your own to customize it. Example" here in florida I put in the POH Pretake off check list "prior to entering active runway, make certain no Alligators in eccess of ten feet in length are on runway", once that is checked I then go to "confirm Coyotes are off the taxiway prior to taxiing to active". True Story to both. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: nyterminat@aol.com >Sent: Dec 4, 2006 11:16 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 POH > >Larry, > >You are required to have one. Pilot Operating Handbok > >Bob Spudis > > >-----Original Message----- >From: lrm@skyhawg.com >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Sent: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 10:02 AM >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 POH > > >Ok, I'm having a brain fart. What's a POH? I may want one or I may already have one. > >Larry, www.skyhawg.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: Tebenkof@aol.com >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 11:48 PM >Subject: Zenith-List: 701 POH > > >Any kind soul out there who can steer me to an appropriate model for the POH for my 701? The building work is just about done. I just woke up the fact that the paper work is not. > >Jim Greenough >701 / 99.5321% complete >in Portland OR > > >href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com >href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com >href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com >href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com >href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron > > >Date: 11/28/2006 > > >________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:26 AM PST US From: "Al Young" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 POH Jim- The POH is basically the same as the Information Manual you find in any 172. Contains General info on the aircraft; Normal Op proceedures; Performance; Weight and Bal; System descriptions; handling service & Maintenance; Emerg proceedures etc etc. I bought a great manual from ACFT Spruce a few years ago, but cannot find it in their catalog now. It was Published by Brown Aircraft Supplies of Burbank, CA. It was designed for experimental aircraft, and all you had to do is fill in the blanks basically. I also put my builders log in it and flight test log. If you can find a source for this manual it's more than worth the money. Al Young N601AY ----- Original Message ----- From: Tebenkof@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 11:48 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 701 POH Any kind soul out there who can steer me to an appropriate model for the POH for my 701? The building work is just about done. I just woke up the fact that the paper work is not. Jim Greenough 701 / 99.5321% complete in Portland OR ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:40 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 POH POH actually stands for "POO ON HOOD". Honest! Lots of seagulls round here. DO NOT ARCHIVE Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Chris Lewis >Sent: Dec 4, 2006 10:35 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 POH > > >There's a 701 Flight Manual "Sample" on the Zenith builder's page for the 701. It's from CZAW and should be a great place to start. > >Chris in Seattle > >-------- >701 Scratch Builder > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79033#79033 > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:08 AM PST US From: Terry Phillips Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access Jay I would like a copy of the .pdf file. Thank you. Terry At 01:16 PM 12/4/2006 -0500, you wrote: > >I am in the process of adding an access panel to the forward top skin, to >be able to access the back side of the instrument panel after construction >is complete. This is for a 601XL. I have a drawing in pdf format showing >how I am doing this. If you would like to see the drawing, please contact >me directly. > >Jay in Dallas >Do not archive Terry Phillips ttp44@rkymtn.net ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:53 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rotec radial engine? From: "Eddie G." You mean like this? http://www.rotecradialengines.com/customers/MickDye.htm Two other things to keep in mind when chosing Rotec vs an engine like Jabiru: it uses reduction gear and I think it only has a 1000 hour TBO. Eddie Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79095#79095 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:15:44 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access Jaun, Let me know what you think. - Jay Juan Vega wrote: > >Jay, >please shoot me an email of the panel, i'd love a copy. > >Jvega@carterusa.com > >Juan Vega, Jr. >Senior Vice President, Brokerage Services >CARTER ONCOR International >Cell: 813-784-7312 > >Juan Vega > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Jaybannist@cs.com >>Sent: Dec 4, 2006 1:16 PM >>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access >> >> >>I am in the process of adding an access panel to the forward top skin, to be able to access the back side of the instrument panel after construction is complete. This is for a 601XL. I have a drawing in pdf format showing how I am doing this. If you would like to see the drawing, please contact me directly. >> >>Jay in Dallas >>Do not archive >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 11:16:49 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access Terry, Let me know what you think, - Jay Terry Phillips wrote: > >Jay > >I would like a copy of the .pdf file. Thank you. > >Terry > > >At 01:16 PM 12/4/2006 -0500, you wrote: >> >>I am in the process of adding an access panel to the forward top skin, to >>be able to access the back side of the instrument panel after construction >>is complete. This is for a 601XL. I have a drawing in pdf format showing >>how I am doing this. If you would like to see the drawing, please contact >>me directly. >> >>Jay in Dallas >>Do not archive > >Terry Phillips >ttp44@rkymtn.net > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:33 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access Craig, Done. According to Dralle, it might not be available for a while. If you want to see it earlier, just let me know. Jay "Craig Payne" wrote: > >Why not post the file to the file archive section of this list? > >-- Craig > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:57 AM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access That's because your latest post/question (see below) has now been archived because you didn't have Do Not Archive in your message. This message, mine, will not be in the archives because I imbedded the required three little words within this post. AND this post of mine does not need repeated ever again.....I Hope. KABONG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Payne" Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 10:28 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access > > Why not post the file to the file archive section of this list? > > -- Craig > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:04 AM PST US From: "DAVID MILLER" Subject: Zenith-List: Rotec radial engine? Has anybody looked at using one of those 110 hp Rotec radials on a 60 1 XL? Anyone got any knowledge or experience with them or the company ? =0AThanks=0ADave Miller =0A(scratch build 601 XL) ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 12:03:48 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access Jay, that looks pertty cool. I like it. I was thinking on putting the entire piece on nutplates so the whole thing would come off. Am I missing something that would not make that possible? I think yours maybe better idea becasue you don't have to remove the canopy. I am also thinking of cutting and trimming the "head chopping" sun leadge on the panel, and replacing it with a leather one like on Cessnas. I found a place that can custom make one for cheap price. ANy thoughts? Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Jaybannist@cs.com >Sent: Dec 4, 2006 2:14 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access > >Jaun, Let me know what you think. - Jay > > >Juan Vega wrote: > >> >>Jay, >>please shoot me an email of the panel, i'd love a copy. >> >>Jvega@carterusa.com >> >>Juan Vega, Jr. >>Senior Vice President, Brokerage Services >>CARTER ONCOR International >>Cell: 813-784-7312 >> >>Juan Vega >> >>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Jaybannist@cs.com >>>Sent: Dec 4, 2006 1:16 PM >>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>>Subject: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access >>> >>> >>>I am in the process of adding an access panel to the forward top skin, to be able to access the back side of the instrument panel after construction is complete. This is for a 601XL. I have a drawing in pdf format showing how I am doing this. If you would like to see the drawing, please contact me directly. >>> >>>Jay in Dallas >>>Do not archive >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 12:05:38 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Rotec radial engine? Eddie, Niether the rotec nor the Jabiru have GEar reduction, The TBO on the jabiru is 1000 on the top end only. Rotec is a great engine though. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: "Eddie G." >Sent: Dec 4, 2006 2:03 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rotec radial engine? > > >You mean like this? >http://www.rotecradialengines.com/customers/MickDye.htm > >Two other things to keep in mind when chosing Rotec vs an engine like Jabiru: it uses reduction gear and I think it only has a 1000 hour TBO. > >Eddie > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79095#79095 > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 12:07:57 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access >> That's because your latest post/question ... What does "Do Not Archive" have to do with him posting his PDF to the *file* (not message) archives? Also - who died and made you Darth Vader? -- Craig ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 12:23:03 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rotec radial engine? From: "Eddie G." See 1st and 5th bullet from the top. Rotec has a 3:2 Planetary Speed Reduction Unit. http://www.rotecradialengines.com/specs.htm Eddie amyvega2005(at)earthlink. wrote: > Eddie, > Niether the rotec nor the Jabiru have GEar reduction, The TBO on the jabiru is 1000 on the top end only. Rotec is a great engine though. > > Juan > > -- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79114#79114 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 12:25:48 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Rotec radial engine? >> Niether the rotec nor the Jabiru have GEar reduction... Oh? http://www.rotecradialengines.com/engdev.htm "It was apparent that the R2800 despite its good direct drive characteristics could benefit from a small amount of propeller speed reduction as is the case with most small capacity engines. Rotec Engineering spent the next period designing and manufacturing their new planetary PSRU which was carefully designed to fit neatly into front nose with minimal disruption to the out side dimensions. They called on the help of well known Australian aero-engineer Bill Whitney to do some calculations regarding the new design. "Bill is simply the best, we are in debt to him, few have his knowledge about all facets of aviation dynamics, he has been very generous in his willingness to help our new company get ahead particularly regarding technical issues". The (PRSU) as mentioned earlier is in planetary configuration, at a reduction ratio of 3:2 so engine revs are relatively low when compared to the high revving ratios other manufactures employ." They are literally trying to wring the last drop of HP from their small capacity engines". Ratios approaching 4:1 are not uncommon amongst some manufactures. The first tests on the new geared R2800 proved to be nothing short of a revelation; the propeller diameter went from the direct drive 68" to 76" with more pitch than before. The PSRU had allowed the R2800 to realise more potential as the engine had 'unloaded', the propeller range had increased dramatically allowing for more user flexibility." -- Craig ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:28 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access A number of builders have made almost all of the forward skin removable. For one example take a look at the pictures on Larry's site under "Canopy": www.macsmachine.com -- Craig ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:51 PM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: Camera question List, Anybody using a relatively new 8 to 10 mb digital camera? I've been given the 'OK' to upgrade my off-brand point-and-shoot to something more suitable for capturing a pair of year-old grandsons. Obviously a new camera would also probably take neat airplane pictures, too. Really don't think I want to go the SLR route.....too much temptation to buy more lenses. Been there, done that with film; and after finally getting rid of all the bodies, lenses, darkroom equipment, junk, etc, I'd just rather have a nice multi-mega pixel non-removable-lens unit. We're not talking Hasselblad here! I pose the question here simply because all the online reviews are slanted toward selling photo gear; that's what magazines do. Suggestions appreciated, and if she gets a new photo for her screen saver every week I can probably continue sleeping in the house. Zed/701/R912/90+%/do not archive in Northern Hemisphere or mention ScotchBrite pads ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:57 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access >> I am also thinking of cutting and trimming the "head chopping" sun leadge on the panel... I'm planning on replacing the whole control panel lip with silicon baffle material. The front skin will stop flush with the control panel. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:20 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rotec radial engine? From: "Eddie G." I just received my "The 912 Competition" video. It shows how Rotec is put together. Nice workmanship. Looks like almost everything is CNC'ed at their shop. But the planetary gears looks a bit too thin, unless that's a norm in aviation for that size engine. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79127#79127 ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 01:06:52 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access To make the aft edge of the forward skin more user friendly you can buy an appropriate length of clear poly tubing at a local hardware store, split it lengthwise, inject it with clear silicon sealer and slip it onto the edge. Cheap, lightweight, easy, and stays put once set. Ed ---- Juan Vega wrote: > > > Jay, > > that looks pertty cool. I like it. I was thinking on putting the entire piece on nutplates so the whole thing would come off. Am I missing something that would not make that possible? I think yours maybe better idea becasue you don't have to remove the canopy. I am also thinking of cutting and trimming the "head chopping" sun leadge on the panel, and replacing it with a leather one like on Cessnas. I found a place that can custom make one for cheap price. ANy thoughts? > > Juan ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 01:28:54 PM PST US From: "Josh Olson" Subject: Zenith-List: Folks... Does anyone know where I can get a list of what is included in the 2006 CH601XL QBK? (It has to be the 2006 version since the earlier QBKs had less stuff completed from what I can tell.) I want to know exactly what is in the kit and then I want to know exactly what else I'd need to buy/build to get a fully functioning plane. It doesn't seem like I can find that anywhere. I'm looking to build a XL just like the demo one they have on the Zenith website... with these particulars... Jabiru 3300, Dual Dynon displays D100 EFIS, D120 EMS, Trutrack ADI Autopilot w/ Alt hold, Garmin GPSMAP 496, SL30 Nav/Com, GTX330 Transponder, PS Engineering Intercom, BRS Parachute... these items I can find and source... The issue I'm having is getting a detailed list of what comes in the 2006 Quick Build Kit.... I need to know what comes with it (i.e. does upholstery? Its not in the standard kit but the picture of the QBK on the website shows upholstery... what else do I need to get a plane finished and up flying?) Also, does anyone know if the 51% rule would allow me to get a Quick Build Kit and still have a local A&P install my Jabiru 3300 and have a local paint shop paint the plane and still have it qualify for the 51% rule? Thanks, Josh Olson Email: mrbizi@yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 01:30:57 PM PST US From: "Charles Wacker" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access I have made mine removabale with nut plates. I modified the top plate so that the part that covers the canopy hinge stays with the fuselage taht way the canopy does not need to be removed. Chuck Wacker N601CW Quick Build >From: Juan Vega >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access >Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:03:15 -0500 (GMT-05:00) > > > >Jay, > >that looks pertty cool. I like it. I was thinking on putting the entire >piece on nutplates so the whole thing would come off. Am I missing >something that would not make that possible? I think yours maybe better >idea becasue you don't have to remove the canopy. I am also thinking of >cutting and trimming the "head chopping" sun leadge on the panel, and >replacing it with a leather one like on Cessnas. I found a place that can >custom make one for cheap price. ANy thoughts? > >Juan > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Jaybannist@cs.com > >Sent: Dec 4, 2006 2:14 PM > >To: zenith-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access > > > >Jaun, Let me know what you think. - Jay > > > > > >Juan Vega wrote: > > > >> > >>Jay, > >>please shoot me an email of the panel, i'd love a copy. > >> > >>Jvega@carterusa.com > >> > >>Juan Vega, Jr. > >>Senior Vice President, Brokerage Services > >>CARTER ONCOR International > >>Cell: 813-784-7312 > >> > >>Juan Vega > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: Jaybannist@cs.com > >>>Sent: Dec 4, 2006 1:16 PM > >>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com > >>>Subject: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access > >>> > >>> > >>>I am in the process of adding an access panel to the forward top skin, >to be able to access the back side of the instrument panel after >construction is complete. This is for a 601XL. I have a drawing in pdf >format showing how I am doing this. If you would like to see the drawing, >please contact me directly. > >>> > >>>Jay in Dallas > >>>Do not archive > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > _________________________________________________________________ View Athletes Collections with Live Search http://sportmaps.live.com/index.html?source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=MGAC01 ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:57 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Camera question From: "Eddie G." Asking a point and shoot camera to capture 10 megapixels with a small 1/2.5" to 1/1.8" CCD might be too much right now. Most of them do better in the 8 megapixle or less range. Megapixles is not as determining factor for the end photo as are the size of CCD and the type of processor. DSLRs normally have a larger CCD. The one in my EOS 5D is the same size as a 35mm film frame. Depends on how much you want to spend, as far as image quality goes Canon S80, A740 and Fuji E900 would be on the top of my list. See reviews on steves-digicams.com (read his conclusions on each camera). You need to decide for yourself what size, what zoom range (I prefer 28mm in the wide angle because I photograph landscapes), what functions, what kind of memory, what kind of file format, etc. etc. And don't be fooled by things like "Leica" or "Zeiss" written on lenses of Japanese cameras. Most of those lenses are made in Japan, not Germany. As far as point and shoot cameras go Canon, Nikon, Fuji and Olympus are generally good lens manufacturers. Eddie Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79145#79145 ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 02:01:38 PM PST US From: "kevinbonds" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Camera question I want a new Digital camera for Christmas (SLR), so I got my wife a puppy. She keeps commenting on how she doesn't have enough pictures of him, I just tell her that old camera is no good and how I can't keep it charged. *Wink* Kevin Bonds Nashville TN do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Zed Smith Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 2:37 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Camera question List, Anybody using a relatively new 8 to 10 mb digital camera? I've been given the 'OK' to upgrade my off-brand point-and-shoot to something more suitable for capturing a pair of year-old grandsons. Obviously a new camera would also probably take neat airplane pictures, too. Really don't think I want to go the SLR route.....too much temptation to buy ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 02:46:35 PM PST US From: "Graeme" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rotec radial engine? The engine has the classic radial engine features including oil leaks, high fuel consumption bulky. they sound great! look good! reliability? Have been fitted to the Storch, Hornet (STOL oversize modified 701) and others here in Australia. I think they look best on classic aircraft designs there is one in a Flybaby and it looks right. Graeme Bell Cairns Australia do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: DAVID MILLER To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 5:44 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Rotec radial engine? Has anybody looked at using one of those 110 hp Rotec radials on a 601 XL? Anyone got any knowledge or experience with them or the company? Thanks Dave Miller (scratch build 601 XL) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 30/11/2006 ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:39 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: N601XT flight photos From: "Ron Lendon" Looking good Brandon. I really like the IP. do not archive -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79154#79154 ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:05 PM PST US From: "Carl Bertrand" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 POH ZAC did provide a POH at one time when you sent in a picture of yopur completed a/c. Given them a try. Carl. 701 ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:40 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access chuck, got any pics to share? Juanm -----Original Message----- >From: Charles Wacker >Sent: Dec 4, 2006 4:30 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access > > >I have made mine removabale with nut plates. I modified the top plate so >that the part that covers the canopy hinge stays with the fuselage taht way >the canopy does not need to be removed. > >Chuck Wacker >N601CW Quick Build > > >>From: Juan Vega >>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access >>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:03:15 -0500 (GMT-05:00) >> >> >> >>Jay, >> >>that looks pertty cool. I like it. I was thinking on putting the entire >>piece on nutplates so the whole thing would come off. Am I missing >>something that would not make that possible? I think yours maybe better >>idea becasue you don't have to remove the canopy. I am also thinking of >>cutting and trimming the "head chopping" sun leadge on the panel, and >>replacing it with a leather one like on Cessnas. I found a place that can >>custom make one for cheap price. ANy thoughts? >> >>Juan >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >From: Jaybannist@cs.com >> >Sent: Dec 4, 2006 2:14 PM >> >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >> >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access >> > >> >Jaun, Let me know what you think. - Jay >> > >> > >> >Juan Vega wrote: >> > >> >> >> >>Jay, >> >>please shoot me an email of the panel, i'd love a copy. >> >> >> >>Jvega@carterusa.com >> >> >> >>Juan Vega, Jr. >> >>Senior Vice President, Brokerage Services >> >>CARTER ONCOR International >> >>Cell: 813-784-7312 >> >> >> >>Juan Vega >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>>From: Jaybannist@cs.com >> >>>Sent: Dec 4, 2006 1:16 PM >> >>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >> >>>Subject: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>I am in the process of adding an access panel to the forward top skin, >>to be able to access the back side of the instrument panel after >>construction is complete. This is for a 601XL. I have a drawing in pdf >>format showing how I am doing this. If you would like to see the drawing, >>please contact me directly. >> >>> >> >>>Jay in Dallas >> >>>Do not archive >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >View Athletes Collections with Live Search >http://sportmaps.live.com/index.html?source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=MGAC01 > > ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:14 PM PST US From: "Zodie Rocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 801 Cargo Pod Hi Ben, The wreckage was spread over more then 2 miles when all was done. The 801 in question was Art Mitchell=92s Demonstrator and number 2 in construction. It truly did have a lot of hours and many flights to Oshkosh. I am unaware of how many hours the new owner had on it. I got the figure of altitude from Chris Heintz. As for Flypass, while Art Mitchell was the owner, Flypass was a respectable and truly a great company to deal with. After Art sold it to a partner he took on things changed, I=92m not about to put down the new owners as I believe that in their own right are good people. I have talked with one of them on several occasions and he was friendly. But in this business, you not only have to be friendly and extremely approachable you have to be knowledgeable and able to help others along the trail. When Flypass would only deal with people on a cash up front basis and then not return any calls they slipped into ghost mode and only would see you if you had a cheque in hand. This is what I was informed about. I can go into this further but not without going against my ethics of business. Lets suffice it to say that after 2 years without Art Mitchell it was very much time for a change. So Can-Zac Aviation was born, not from guys who were rich and wanted to make fistloads of money ( almost fell off chair laughing at that one!) but from two scratch builders who have spent the last few years helping many others build a Zenith aircraft. We Truly believe in Chris Heintz=92s designs and even more in his philosophy of design and his desire for the average person to realize a dream, both David and I choose them for our own families before we even considered working with Chris. So Flypass happily removed themselves from the Zenith line and Can-Zac replaced them as the Canadian Distributor, everyone was amicable about the changes. As discussed in the past Art Mitchell has helped us tremendously over the last two years and though we don=92t have the records of the past we are able to draw upon Zenith to help us, help Flypass=92s old customers. Most of you have noticed the difference, I=92m a builder first and I try my best to be as helpful as possible. I don=92t receive any payment for tech support to anyone and yet I have a huge client base of U.S citizens that I help out on a regular basis. I don=92t know everything but, I do my best the rest is up to Chris and Nick to answer. I have been a member of this list since the beginning and see no reason to stop ( well one, but he drives most of us nuts so I=92m not alone). I don=92t answer as many questions as I used to on this list but from time to time I do offer my opinion. We started the Sun-N-Fun builders BBQ before there was ever a thought of Can-Zac Aviation, this was a builders gathering from builders (David, Jon, Rick and myself) for builders, we don=92t ask any builder to pay ( though we do have a donation jar out) for their meal. When I first started planning on the first BBQ I thought we would have 10-15 builders show up a couple of portable BBq=92s and I would pay for everything out of my own pocket, heck I consider most of you guys friends. But once the size grew to over 80 then 100 people I started asking for donations and a jar. The BBQ is still not an Official Zenith event, and it is not a Can-Zac Event either. It is a builders event for other builders, I will accept donations from Zenith suppliers and we have had several from Jabiru USA, Sport planes and others but we have never accepted anything more than a salad from Zenith. We are just happy that they attend after a long day of standing in the Sun! So back to the original question. Flypass is gone from the Zenith Family and Can-Zac Aviation is a completely new , fresh company with the values that made Flypass such a great company to deal with. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. HYPERLINK "mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n801bh@netzero.com Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 801 Cargo Pod I am aware of the impaired part but didn't know about the new owner putting on several hundred hours in such a short time. The 14,000+ altitude does explain the wreckage spread over two miles. I was in contact with the Faa office out in California and I thought they never could establish the true height. How did you come up with that figure? The last I heard second hand was the horizontal stabilizer tip extensions Art put on to give the LOM powered plane elevator authority broke and that sent the whole crash in motion. I am guessing that Can Zac used to be called Flypass, the company Art owned and ran? Inquiring minds and all..... do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Zodie Rocket" wrote: Lets add a bit to this, Art is back in Missionary work where he is truly happy doing the lords work. He is not completely gone from our lives and has helped us out on several occasions. The Cargo pod=92s napkin drawings have been given to Can-Zac Aviation and we do plan on offering a pod for both the 801 and the 701 for the 2008 season. As for the 801 incident, this plane had several hundred hours on it and it broke up at about 14,000 + feet in which the pilot and passenger were proven to be heavily impaired with narcotics and possibly doing aerobatics at high altitude. Art and all of the Zenith family have been cleared from that incident. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. HYPERLINK "mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n801bh@netzero.com Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:18 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 Cargo Pod There are/was only two 801's with the cargo pods that I have seen. One is the 801 with the Walter Lom 6 cyl doing missionary work down in central america. The other one is the Lom powered one that disintigrated in mid air over at Nicholas Ca a few years back. I believe they are custom built units. Art Mitchell built both I think but he is probably never going to give any insite cause of the 801 he built was the fatal incident plane and you can bet his legal team has suggested he clam up. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Dave Ruddiman" wrote: Hello Fellow 801 Builders, (you other guys too) Is the cargo pod I've seen pictures of a custom made installation or are there plans somewhere. I'm not sure if I would need one but there is probably mounting reinforcements that need to be installed in case I decided to. Dave in Salem roelectric.com com/">www.buildersbooks.com kitlog.com homebuilthelp.com www.matronics.com/contribution ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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Should I shrink the metal and have a corner all around? Or, just form the flanges and leave the corners out and fill with weld? I made some parts with 5mm constant flange, but had to anneal the corners to get the 6061 T6 material to flow. The parts look OK just didn't know about fatigue in the corners. What do you think? Pictures attached at the forum -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79162#79162 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tank_end1_152.jpeg http://forums.matronics.com//files/tank_end_631.jpeg ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:29 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Rotec radial engine? shit................ I owe you a beer. Do you drink Dos XX? Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Craig Payne >Sent: Dec 4, 2006 3:25 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Rotec radial engine? > > >>> Niether the rotec nor the Jabiru have GEar reduction... > >Oh? > >http://www.rotecradialengines.com/engdev.htm > >"It was apparent that the R2800 despite its good direct drive >characteristics could benefit from a small amount of propeller speed >reduction as is the case with most small capacity engines. Rotec Engineering >spent the next period designing and manufacturing their new planetary PSRU >which was carefully designed to fit neatly into front nose with minimal >disruption to the out side dimensions. They called on the help of well known >Australian aero-engineer Bill Whitney to do some calculations regarding the >new design. "Bill is simply the best, we are in debt to him, few have his >knowledge about all facets of aviation dynamics, he has been very generous >in his willingness to help our new company get ahead particularly regarding >technical issues". > >The (PRSU) as mentioned earlier is in planetary configuration, at a >reduction ratio of 3:2 so engine revs are relatively low when compared to >the high revving ratios other manufactures employ." They are literally >trying to wring the last drop of HP from their small capacity engines". >Ratios approaching 4:1 are not uncommon amongst some manufactures. > >The first tests on the new geared R2800 proved to be nothing short of a >revelation; the propeller diameter went from the direct drive 68" to 76" >with more pitch than before. The PSRU had allowed the R2800 to realise more >potential as the engine had 'unloaded', the propeller range had increased >dramatically allowing for more user flexibility." > >-- Craig > > ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:51 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: "do not archive" and a whole lot more From: "secatur" Gee Thanks for that! Now I don't feel left out anymore! Just upside down (as usual) ! LOL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79170#79170 ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:14 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Camera question Zed, You could probably save some money and get a really nice 5 mb camera like a Canon. The tenancy to buy the largest number of pixels a camera can offer puts a heavy price reducing the picture size each time you want to view them on the computer. The detail available on a 4 to5 Mb camera is well within the best range of utility, general viewing and editing. The best features to look for in a camera that you'll use to shoot family or aircraft are those that offer generic batteries AA etc., anti-shake image stabilization for those occasions in flight or just pumping too much blood in the excitement of the moment, and 6X zoom with additional 4X synthetic zoom. Expect to pay $300 to $400 for a good one. Try the link below to get really honest perspective of the qualities of the latest cameras. Image quality i.e.( color - sharpness - contrast - focus - light balance - image speed) should all take precedence over anything above 5 Mb and might be harder to control in the higher pixel cameras. http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/ Good luck, Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Zed Smith wrote: > > List, > > Anybody using a relatively new 8 to 10 mb digital camera? > I've been given the 'OK' to upgrade my off-brand point-and-shoot to something more suitable for capturing a pair of year-old grandsons. Obviously a new camera would also probably take neat airplane pictures, too. > Really don't think I want to go the SLR route.....too much temptation to buy more lenses. Been there, done that with film; and after finally getting rid of all the bodies, lenses, darkroom equipment, junk, etc, I'd just rather have a nice multi-mega pixel non-removable-lens unit. We're not talking Hasselblad here! > > I pose the question here simply because all the online reviews are slanted toward selling photo gear; that's what magazines do. > > Suggestions appreciated, and if she gets a new photo for her screen saver every week I can probably continue > sleeping in the house. > > Zed/701/R912/90+%/do not archive in Northern Hemisphere or mention ScotchBrite pads > > > ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:29 PM PST US From: "R.P." Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Banned Aussies?? (do not archive) Larry, I found the Aussie flight review on another mailing list and enjoyed it so much that I reposted it here in answer to "secatur's" post jokingly wondering if some of the posts weren't making it to his home in Australia. Maybe one of our Aussie brethern can tell us if Mr Bell really exists, but I doubt that the author is actually Mr Bell, and wouldn't have any qualms about reprinting it in your club's newsletter. Rick Pitcher oh yeah: do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Elwood140@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:29 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Banned Aussies?? (do not archive) List, "Australian Flight Review" is one of the funniest pieces I've read in years. With Mr. Bell's permission, I would like to include it in my flying club's newsletter. Not sure how to obtain his permission. Anybody know this gentleman? DO NOT ARCHIVE Larry Wood (N701LW next spring maybe) ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:25 PM PST US From: Elwood140@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Banned Aussies?? (do not archive) Rick, much obliged! do not archive Larry Wood ________________________________ Message 58 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:59 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access Juan, You needn't use nut plates for such a panel. J-nuts that work with 6-32 screws can be used with considerable confidence. They are much cheaper and don't let go. I've got them on my removable forward top skin and I've had the top off probably a dozen times in two years and 85 hours of flying my 601. On the leading edge overhanging the panel, I bent a piece of 1/2-inch aluminum tube and used a Dremel cutter to cut a slit on the edge and used 4 bent tabs to secure it with the same screws that hold the forward top skin. It's a much easier job, as you use almost 90 screws, but very secure and the screws blend into the rivet heads. http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/uclips.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/cowling/full/firstcowlfitting.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/601ezclosefrtrt.gif Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Juan Vega wrote: > > > Jay, > > that looks pertty cool. I like it. I was thinking on putting the entire piece on nutplates so the whole thing would come off. Am I missing something that would not make that possible? I think yours maybe better idea becasue you don't have to remove the canopy. I am also thinking of cutting and trimming the "head chopping" sun leadge on the panel, and replacing it with a leather one like on Cessnas. I found a place that can custom make one for cheap price. ANy thoughts? > > Juan > ________________________________ Message 59 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:35 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rotec radial engine? Dave, I saw and HEARD one on the front of something ? Might have been and RV-3 looking plane ? Sounded great taxing by and pure sex taking off ! One of the hanger Rats said it was a Rotec 7 cylinder. Sounded like it had torque to spar. Bill of Georgia do not archive ________________________________ Message 60 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:57 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Tank Ends Ron, A nice shape to work with, but I'd reverse the ends placing the flanges under the main skins as you've done so that the heat you put into welding is better distributed between the cap flange and the edge of the main skins. 6061-T6 is not the best material for a tank as applies to a welded construct. 5052-H32 is ideal as it's yield to work hardening is better for holding its shape. You're corners will fill easily the way you've got them, but if reversed, a little easier. You can put more material into the weld if you've got 1/8-inch of drum hanging outside the main skin edge and the edge won't burn away so readily as the edge weld of a typical flange- weld would. Practice a lot before you ruin the first set of tanks by making sample welds to proof your skills or that of the guy you entrust to the job. I welded the tanks with clecos and then removed the clecos one by one and welded them shut. If you want to make the job of welding much easier, make the ends out of .040 if you haven't already as less than that is difficult to control heat- distortion and get consistent welds. Best of luck, Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Ron Lendon wrote: > > Scratch Builders, > > I am making the end caps for the fuel tanks and wanted to ask others about forming the corners. Should I shrink the metal and have a corner all around? Or, just form the flanges and leave the corners out and fill with weld? > > I made some parts with 5mm constant flange, but had to anneal the corners to get the 6061 T6 material to flow. The parts look OK just didn't know about fatigue in the corners. > > What do you think? > > Pictures attached at the forum > > -------- > Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI > Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) > http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79162#79162 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/tank_end1_152.jpeg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/tank_end_631.jpeg > ________________________________ Message 61 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:54 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Camera question Just remember that you can't take a picture unless you have the camera with you. So I lean towards the smaller units. Proprietary batteries (typically LiIon) get a bad rap on cost but do provide higher energy density than generic NiMHs. Also LiIon batteries don't self-discharge like NiMH do. The best way to extend battery life is to buy a camera with an optical view finder and turn the screen off. Optical view finders are becoming rare on smaller cameras which is why I like the Canon digital ELPHs. Consider the Canon SD800 IS: www.dcresource.com/reviews/canon/powershot_sd800-review/index.shtml Lots of pixels beyond 6-7 MP often just means more noise in the image and more pixels than you need even for an 8 by 10 print. But it is nice to have some extra resolution in case you want to crop and enlarge later. Also, if you haven't already, take a look at http://www.dpreview.com/ - very level headed but biased towards the high-end. -- Craig "I searched the achieves for messages about Do Not Archive but couldn't find any. Is this a bug? ;-)" ________________________________ Message 62 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:23 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Zenith-List:OFF TOPIC Camera question My only advice on a new digital camera is that it has the most optical zoom as is practical. I read a post on this topic Where Eddie prefers a 28 mm lens for scenics. As he is using a 35mm update to digital camera that would be my choice too. You are looking, I assume, for something between the point and shoot and what Eddie has. They are out there Kodak, Fuji, and Pentax ( I think ) all have models 6-10 mp and X10 optical zoom. As for the Japanese lenses sporting names like Zeiss and Leica I wouldn't be surprised. Pre war the Germans provided Nikon with the plans to a Leica camera their lenses were even interchangable. BTW my Nikon S2 c1950 really needs to be properly lubricated for the slow speeds to operate properly. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Zed Smith > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:07 PM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: Camera question > > > > List, > > Anybody using a relatively new 8 to 10 mb digital camera? > I've been given the 'OK' to upgrade my off-brand > point-and-shoot to something more suitable for capturing a > pair of year-old grandsons. Obviously a new camera would > also probably take neat airplane pictures, too. > Really don't think I want to go the SLR route.....too much > temptation to buy more lenses. Been there, done that with > film; and after finally getting rid of all the bodies, > lenses, darkroom equipment, junk, etc, I'd just rather have a > nice multi-mega pixel non-removable-lens unit. We're not > talking Hasselblad here! > > I pose the question here simply because all the online > reviews are slanted toward selling photo gear; that's what > magazines do. > > Suggestions appreciated, and if she gets a new photo for her > screen saver every week I can probably continue > sleeping in the house. > > Zed/701/R912/90+%/do not archive in Northern Hemisphere or > mention ScotchBrite pads > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 63 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:18 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Banned Aussies?? (do not archive) AHHH but it begs the question. Is his first name Alex or Alexander or is Mr. Bell's first name really Graeme. Regardless, I have passed that story to more than a dozen flying buddies. GREAT writing.... KABONG Do Not Archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: R.P. To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:01 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Banned Aussies?? (do not archive) Larry, I found the Aussie flight review on another mailing list and enjoyed it so much that I reposted it here in answer to "secatur's" post jokingly wondering if some of the posts weren't making it to his home in Australia. Maybe one of our Aussie brethern can tell us if Mr Bell really exists, but I doubt that the author is actually Mr Bell, and wouldn't have any qualms about reprinting it in your club's newsletter. Rick Pitcher oh yeah: do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Elwood140@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:29 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Banned Aussies?? (do not archive) List, "Australian Flight Review" is one of the funniest pieces I've read in years. With Mr. Bell's permission, I would like to include it in my flying club's newsletter. Not sure how to obtain his permission. Anybody know this gentleman? DO NOT ARCHIVE Larry Wood (N701LW next spring maybe) ________________________________ Message 64 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:29 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: "do not archive" and a whole lot more From: "David X" dredmoody(at)cox.net wrote: > I suspect that it has something to do with the Corelolis Effect...... Funniest damned thing I've read on this forum in a long while. Thank you for the laugh ... and I don't just say that to piss in your pocket. -------- Zodiac 601 XL - CZAW Built - Rotax 912S DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79187#79187 ________________________________ Message 65 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:34 PM PST US From: ALAN BEYER Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access Hi Guys,=0A=0AHere are some pics of my inspection covers. I used floating nut plates.=0A=0AAl from Oshkosh=0A601 HDS=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Messa ge ----=0AFrom: Juan Vega =0ATo: zenith-list@mat ronics.com=0ASent: Monday, December 4, 2006 5:21:09 PM=0ASubject: Re: Zenit Vega =0A=0Achuck,=0Agot any pics to share?=0A =0AJuanm=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0A>From: Charles Wacker =0A>Sent: Dec 4, 2006 4:30 PM=0A>To: zenith-list@matronics.com =0A>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access=0A>=0A>--> Zenith-List me ssage posted by: "Charles Wacker" =0A>=0A>I have made mine removabale with nut plates. I modified the top plate so =0A>that the part that covers the canopy hinge stays with the fuselage taht way =0A>the canopy does not need to be removed.=0A>=0A>Chuck Wacker=0A>N601CW Quick Bui nith-list@matronics.com=0A>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com=0A>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access=0A>>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:03:15 -0500 ( 05@earthlink.net>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Jay,=0A>>=0A>>that looks pertty cool. I li ke it. I was thinking on putting the entire =0A>>piece on nutplates so the whole thing would come off. Am I missing =0A>>something that would not ma ke that possible? I think yours maybe better =0A>>idea becasue you don't h ave to remove the canopy. I am also thinking of =0A>>cutting and trimming the "head chopping" sun leadge on the panel, and =0A>>replacing it with a l eather one like on Cessnas. I found a place that can =0A>>custom make one for cheap price. ANy thoughts?=0A>>=0A>>Juan=0A>>=0A>>-----Original Messag e-----=0A>> >From: Jaybannist@cs.com=0A>> >Sent: Dec 4, 2006 2:14 PM=0A>> > Access=0A>> >=0A>> >Jaun, Let me know what you think. - Jay=0A>> >=0A>> > =0A>> >Juan Vega wrote:=0A>> >=0A>> >>--> Zenit h-List message posted by: Juan Vega =0A>> >>=0A> > >>Jay,=0A>> >>please shoot me an email of the panel, i'd love a copy.=0A> > >>=0A>> >>Jvega@carterusa.com=0A>> >>=0A>> >>Juan Vega, Jr.=0A>> >>Senior Vice President, Brokerage Services=0A>> >>CARTER ONCOR International=0A>> >>Cell: 813-784-7312=0A>> >>=0A>> >>Juan Vega=0A>> >>=0A>> >>-----Original Message-----=0A>> >>>From: Jaybannist@cs.com=0A>> >>>Sent: Dec 4, 2006 1:16 PM=0A>> >>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com=0A>> >>>Subject: Zenith-List: For nist@cs.com=0A>> >>>=0A>> >>>I am in the process of adding an access panel to the forward top skin, =0A>>to be able to access the back side of the ins trument panel after =0A>>construction is complete. This is for a 601XL. I have a drawing in pdf =0A>>format showing how I am doing this. If you wou ld like to see the drawing, =0A>>please contact me directly.=0A>> >>>=0A>> >>>Jay in Dallas=0A>> >>>Do not archive=0A>> >>>=0A>> >>>=0A>> >>>=0A>> >>> =0A>> >>=0A>> >>=0A>> >>=0A>> >>=0A>> >>=0A>> >>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> =0A>=0A>_________________________________________________________________ =0A>View Athlete=A2s Collections with Live Search =0A>http://sportmaps.live .com/index.html?source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=MGAC01=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> ===== ________________________________ Message 66 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:33 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access great website by the way, you need to send me the plans for that kick ass recumbant Bike! Do you have close up pics of the portion of the turtle deck you riveted, the very end pieces adjacent to the canopy screw. I like your idea. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: LarryMcFarland >Sent: Dec 4, 2006 8:09 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access > > > >Juan, >You needn't use nut plates for such a panel. J-nuts that work with 6-32 >screws can be used with considerable confidence. They are much cheaper >and don't let go. I've got them on my removable forward top skin and >I've had the top off probably a dozen times in two years and 85 hours of >flying my 601. On the leading edge overhanging the panel, I bent a >piece of 1/2-inch aluminum tube and used a Dremel cutter to cut a slit >on the edge and used 4 bent tabs to secure it with the same screws that >hold the forward top skin. >It's a much easier job, as you use almost 90 screws, but very secure and >the screws blend into the rivet heads. > >http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/uclips.gif >http://www.macsmachine.com/images/cowling/full/firstcowlfitting.gif >http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/601ezclosefrtrt.gif > >Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > >Juan Vega wrote: >> >> >> Jay, >> >> that looks pertty cool. I like it. I was thinking on putting the entire piece on nutplates so the whole thing would come off. Am I missing something that would not make that possible? I think yours maybe better idea becasue you don't have to remove the canopy. I am also thinking of cutting and trimming the "head chopping" sun leadge on the panel, and replacing it with a leather one like on Cessnas. I found a place that can custom make one for cheap price. ANy thoughts? >> >> Juan >> > > ________________________________ Message 67 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:50 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access that is the cleanest job I have seen. Obviously you have built before. HOw did you get such smooth cuts on the frame in the first picture? I believe that is the frame for the cover? Juan -----Original Message----- >From: ALAN BEYER >Sent: Dec 4, 2006 9:50 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access > >Hi Guys, > >Here are some pics of my inspection covers. I used floating nut plates. > >Al from Oshkosh >601 HDS > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: Juan Vega >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Sent: Monday, December 4, 2006 5:21:09 PM >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access > > > >chuck, >got any pics to share? > >Juanm > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Charles Wacker >>Sent: Dec 4, 2006 4:30 PM >>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access >> >> >>I have made mine removabale with nut plates. I modified the top plate so >>that the part that covers the canopy hinge stays with the fuselage taht way >>the canopy does not need to be removed. >> >>Chuck Wacker >>N601CW Quick Build >> >> >>>From: Juan Vega >>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access >>>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:03:15 -0500 (GMT-05:00) >>> >>> >>> >>>Jay, >>> >>>that looks pertty cool. I like it. I was thinking on putting the entire >>>piece on nutplates so the whole thing would come off. Am I missing >>>something that would not make that possible? I think yours maybe better >>>idea becasue you don't have to remove the canopy. I am also thinking of >>>cutting and trimming the "head chopping" sun leadge on the panel, and >>>replacing it with a leather one like on Cessnas. I found a place that can >>>custom make one for cheap price. ANy thoughts? >>> >>>Juan >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>> >From: Jaybannist@cs.com >>> >Sent: Dec 4, 2006 2:14 PM >>> >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>> >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access >>> > >>> >Jaun, Let me know what you think. - Jay >>> > >>> > >>> >Juan Vega wrote: >>> > >>> >> >>> >>Jay, >>> >>please shoot me an email of the panel, i'd love a copy. >>> >> >>> >>Jvega@carterusa.com >>> >> >>> >>Juan Vega, Jr. >>> >>Senior Vice President, Brokerage Services >>> >>CARTER ONCOR International >>> >>Cell: 813-784-7312 >>> >> >>> >>Juan Vega >>> >> >>> >>-----Original Message----- >>> >>>From: Jaybannist@cs.com >>> >>>Sent: Dec 4, 2006 1:16 PM >>> >>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>> >>>Subject: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>I am in the process of adding an access panel to the forward top skin, >>>to be able to access the back side of the instrument panel after >>>construction is complete. This is for a 601XL. I have a drawing in pdf >>>format showing how I am doing this. If you would like to see the drawing, >>>please contact me directly. >>> >>> >>> >>>Jay in Dallas >>> >>>Do not archive >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>View Athlete?s Collections with Live Search >>http://sportmaps.live.com/index.html?source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=MGAC01 >> >> >> >>===== ________________________________ Message 68 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:16 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access to the guy asking for the POH, if you go on the zenith website, and check in the builder's section, just put in password and login. in the 601xl update sewction is a full copy of a POH for a European model. cheers Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Juan Vega >Sent: Dec 4, 2006 10:27 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access > > >that is the cleanest job I have seen. Obviously you have built before. HOw did you get such smooth cuts on the frame in the first picture? > >I believe that is the frame for the cover? > >Juan > >-----Original Message----- >>From: ALAN BEYER >>Sent: Dec 4, 2006 9:50 PM >>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access >> >>Hi Guys, >> >>Here are some pics of my inspection covers. I used floating nut plates. >> >>Al from Oshkosh >>601 HDS >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ---- >>From: Juan Vega >>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>Sent: Monday, December 4, 2006 5:21:09 PM >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access >> >> >> >>chuck, >>got any pics to share? >> >>Juanm >> >>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Charles Wacker >>>Sent: Dec 4, 2006 4:30 PM >>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access >>> >>> >>>I have made mine removabale with nut plates. I modified the top plate so >>>that the part that covers the canopy hinge stays with the fuselage taht way >>>the canopy does not need to be removed. >>> >>>Chuck Wacker >>>N601CW Quick Build >>> >>> >>>>From: Juan Vega >>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access >>>>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:03:15 -0500 (GMT-05:00) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Jay, >>>> >>>>that looks pertty cool. I like it. I was thinking on putting the entire >>>>piece on nutplates so the whole thing would come off. Am I missing >>>>something that would not make that possible? I think yours maybe better >>>>idea becasue you don't have to remove the canopy. I am also thinking of >>>>cutting and trimming the "head chopping" sun leadge on the panel, and >>>>replacing it with a leather one like on Cessnas. I found a place that can >>>>custom make one for cheap price. ANy thoughts? >>>> >>>>Juan >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>> >From: Jaybannist@cs.com >>>> >Sent: Dec 4, 2006 2:14 PM >>>> >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>>> >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access >>>> > >>>> >Jaun, Let me know what you think. - Jay >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >Juan Vega wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> >>>> >>Jay, >>>> >>please shoot me an email of the panel, i'd love a copy. >>>> >> >>>> >>Jvega@carterusa.com >>>> >> >>>> >>Juan Vega, Jr. >>>> >>Senior Vice President, Brokerage Services >>>> >>CARTER ONCOR International >>>> >>Cell: 813-784-7312 >>>> >> >>>> >>Juan Vega >>>> >> >>>> >>-----Original Message----- >>>> >>>From: Jaybannist@cs.com >>>> >>>Sent: Dec 4, 2006 1:16 PM >>>> >>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>>> >>>Subject: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>I am in the process of adding an access panel to the forward top skin, >>>>to be able to access the back side of the instrument panel after >>>>construction is complete. This is for a 601XL. I have a drawing in pdf >>>>format showing how I am doing this. If you would like to see the drawing, >>>>please contact me directly. >>>> >>> >>>> >>>Jay in Dallas >>>> >>>Do not archive >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>View Athlete?s Collections with Live Search >>>http://sportmaps.live.com/index.html?source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=MGAC01 >>> >>> >>> >>>===== > > ________________________________ Message 69 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:00 PM PST US From: Tebenkof@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 POH Thanks for all the help with the POH. POO ON HOOD was enlighteningl, and the other ideas even better. Jim ________________________________ Message 70 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:38 PM PST US From: Tim & Diane Shankland Subject: Zenith-List: New information Some time back there were several threads on a couple of topics, one was whether the prop would windmill with he engine off and another on how well the 601 glided with a stopped prop. I now find myself in a more knowledgeable position on these topics. Last Saturday I was returning from an uneventful test flight on my 601HD. I have 25 hours on it and I had flown a three airport round robin of about 1 1/2 hours. I had just announced that I was entering downwind on my home airport and there was that smell you never want to smell, smoke in the airplane. I had the heater near full on, it was in the 30's (F) at altitude and had a good air flow I quickly also open the pilot side vent. My Stratus Suburu is set up with two batteries and all switches are two position center off rockers so I can load either BUS A or BUS B. The ignition switch with the primary ignition and fuel pump was on BUS A the secondary ignition was on BUS B. The secondary fuel pump was still off since I hadn't gotten into the pattern yet. When the smoke started I tried turning off BUS B, the engine faltered, I turned it back on the it picked up again only to stop a few seconds later. The good thing was that the smoke had started to dissipate and it was real quiet in the airplane I tried the ignition key to restart but the started wouldn't work. Since by this time I was about 900 feet above the ground and with the runway off to the left of the airplane I quit working with the engine and decided to land the airplane. I Called to all traffic that I was executing a dead stick approach , fortunately there was no one in the pattern. I must say that I did one of my better landing and coasted off at the intersection on on to the taxi way. Since apparently no one at the airport was listening to the radio no one came out so I just grabbed my wounded bird by the prop and walked to back to the terminal. Now for my observations, first NOTHING will get your attention like smoke second there is something surreal when the prop stops turning and your still in the air Additional observations I was doing between 80 and 90 mph when the engine quit, the prop stopped and did not windmill, maybe it will at higher speed but I wasn't going to give away any altitude to find out. The 601 HD glided better this the engine stopped then it does with a low RPM, it really landed very nicely and I may experiment with more very low RPM landings. As for what happened, I opened up the top of the panel tonight and it was one of those how could that ever happen things. A plug that I use connect to two switches in my canopy for an alarm panel got its open back side positioned to touch on unused terminal on the ignition switch that was obviously hot. That caused a ground through that wire. I hadn't put a circuit breaker in the primary ignition circuit because of a concern I had for false tripping, I am going to add one because having the engine stop with no smoke is preferable to stopping with smoke. I am also going to add a emergency starter circuit, I already have a separate ignition and fuel pump circuit but since engine wind milling is not assured I want to be able to do all engine functions independent of the primary ignition circuit. The short only burned for a few seconds then a small wire in that circuit burned open. this cut all power to the primary ignition and fuel circuit, since the secondary ignition was on the engine continued but without the secondary fuel pump it soon quit. Without a starter available it was not possible to restart the engine. Anyway when I got home my wife asked how everything went, and I told her I had some excitement, she never likes it when I say that. Tim Shankland ________________________________ Message 71 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:13 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access Juan, I built the bike with my daughter when I was teaching her to gas weld this summer. It's a freehand design from three bikes. The piece you speak of is well photographed in the canopy pages. The j-nuts were purchased from McMaster-Carr and I'll get the numbers for you tomorrow morning. These j-nuts cost about $10.00 per package of 50. Larry Juan Vega wrote: > > great website by the way, you need to send me the plans for that kick ass recumbant Bike! > Do you have close up pics of the portion of the turtle deck you riveted, the very end pieces adjacent to the canopy screw. I like your idea. > > Juan > -----Original Message----- > >> From: LarryMcFarland >> Sent: Dec 4, 2006 8:09 PM >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Forward Skin Access >> >> >> >> Juan, >> You needn't use nut plates for such a panel. J-nuts that work with 6-32 >> screws can be used with considerable confidence. They are much cheaper >> and don't let go. I've got them on my removable forward top skin and >> I've had the top off probably a dozen times in two years and 85 hours of >> flying my 601. On the leading edge overhanging the panel, I bent a >> piece of 1/2-inch aluminum tube and used a Dremel cutter to cut a slit >> on the edge and used 4 bent tabs to secure it with the same screws that >> hold the forward top skin. >> It's a much easier job, as you use almost 90 screws, but very secure and >> the screws blend into the rivet heads. >> >> http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/uclips.gif >> http://www.macsmachine.com/images/cowling/full/firstcowlfitting.gif >> http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/601ezclosefrtrt.gif >> >> Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com >> >> Juan Vega wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Jay, >>> >>> that looks pertty cool. I like it. I was thinking on putting the entire piece on nutplates so the whole thing would come off. Am I missing something that would not make that possible? I think yours maybe better idea becasue you don't have to remove the canopy. I am also thinking of cutting and trimming the "head chopping" sun leadge on the panel, and replacing it with a leather one like on Cessnas. I found a place that can custom make one for cheap price. ANy thoughts? >>> >>> Juan >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 72 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:08 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Need a 601 conditional inspection work sheet Still need this.. KABONG Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: JOHN STARN To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 6:30 PM Subject: Need a 601 conditional inspection work sheet Have a friend here at APV who needs a 601 / Rotax specific conditional inspection work sheet(s). I have several from other models of Rocket & RV's etc. but would like to make sure we have ALL the items listed & accounted for. THANKS. KABONG Do Not Archive (GBA & GWB) ________________________________ Message 73 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:37 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New information Hi Tim, Congratulations on saving both your self and your plane. You done good! Paul XL fuselage do not archive At 08:09 PM 12/4/2006, you wrote: > >Some time back there were several threads on a couple of topics, one >was whether the prop would windmill with he engine off and another >on how well the 601 glided with a stopped prop. I now find myself >in a more knowledgeable position on these topics. Last Saturday I >was returning from an uneventful test flight on my 601HD. I have 25 >hours on it and I had flown a three airport round robin of about 1 >1/2 hours. I had just announced that I was entering downwind on my >home airport and there was that smell you never want to smell, smoke >in the airplane. I had the heater near full on, it was in the 30's >(F) at altitude and had a good air flow I quickly also open the >pilot side vent. My Stratus Suburu is set up with two batteries and >all switches are two position center off rockers so I can load >either BUS A or BUS B. The ignition switch with the primary ignition >and fuel pump was on BUS A the secondary ignition was on BUS B. The >secondary fuel pump was still off since I hadn't gotten into the >pattern yet. When the smoke started I tried turning off BUS B, the >engine faltered, I turned it back on the it picked up again only to >stop a few seconds later. The good thing was that the smoke had >started to dissipate and it was real quiet in the airplane I tried >the ignition key to restart but the started wouldn't work. Since by >this time I was about 900 feet above the ground and with the runway >off to the left of the airplane I quit working with the engine and >decided to land the airplane. I Called to all traffic that I was >executing a dead stick approach , fortunately there was no one in >the pattern. I must say that I did one of my better landing and >coasted off at the intersection on on to the taxi way. Since >apparently no one at the airport was listening to the radio no one >came out so I just grabbed my wounded bird by the prop and walked to >back to the terminal. > >Now for my observations, >first NOTHING will get your attention like smoke >second there is something surreal when the prop stops turning and >your still in the air > >Additional observations I was doing between 80 and 90 mph when the >engine quit, the prop stopped and did not windmill, maybe it will at >higher speed but I wasn't going to give away any altitude to find out. > >The 601 HD glided better this the engine stopped then it does with a >low RPM, it really landed very nicely and I may experiment with more >very low RPM landings. > >As for what happened, I opened up the top of the panel tonight and >it was one of those how could that ever happen things. A plug that I >use connect to two switches in my canopy for an alarm panel got its >open back side positioned to touch on unused terminal on the >ignition switch that was obviously hot. That caused a ground through >that wire. I hadn't put a circuit breaker in the primary ignition >circuit because of a concern I had for false tripping, I am going to >add one because having the engine stop with no smoke is preferable >to stopping with smoke. I am also going to add a emergency starter >circuit, I already have a separate ignition and fuel pump circuit >but since engine wind milling is not assured I want to be able to do >all engine functions independent of the primary ignition >circuit. The short only burned for a few seconds then a small wire >in that circuit burned open. this cut all power to the primary >ignition and fuel circuit, since the secondary ignition was on the >engine continued but without the secondary fuel pump it soon quit. >Without a starter available it was not possible to restart the engine. >Anyway when I got home my wife asked how everything went, and I told >her I had some excitement, she never likes it when I say that. > >Tim Shankland > ________________________________ Message 74 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:30 PM PST US From: "john H" Subject: Zenith-List: 912 Oil Leak Hi List I have a very small oil leak on a 912 (200hrs) which is aggravating the heck out of me. After flying I have a little oil showing up around the fuel pump, around the gear box and blowing back on the battery box on the firewall. I just can't seem to find the leak. Oil pressure is fine. Any ideas anyone?? Thanks John _________________________________________________________________ Stay up-to-date with your friends through the Windows Live Spaces friends list. ________________________________ Message 75 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:55 PM PST US From: Peter Chapman Subject: Zenith-List: 801 inflight breakup in 2003 Just from what I've read here on the list (and archives), the accident is still a little mysterious and perhaps a bit of a sore spot in that there's little evidence available to support different theories. On the one hand there's still suspicion about the elevator extension, on the other hand it may just be the pilot playing around and overstressing the aircraft. The NTSB documents are pretty sparse. (# LAX03FA102) They don't go into any detail at all, and there was no interest even in describing any probable breakup sequence. It is also difficult to interpret the NTSB's description of damage to various parts, as to which direction the wing and tail parts failed. The elevator extension is mentioned but not commented on. The Factual Report quotes an FAA publication, stating "Amateur builders are free to develop their own designs or build from existing designs. We do not approve these designs and it would be impractical to develop design standards for the wide variety of design configurations, created by designers, kit manufacturers, and amateur builders." So in the end they are seem to be saying, "looking at the structural failure in detail is not our problem". The NTSB report didn't state that the pilot was "heavily impaired by narcotics", but said that chemical traces were consistent with smoking at least one joint within 12 hours. They were trying to be somewhat precise, since for the passenger, they said the same but within 2 hours. So unless there's other evidence, I wouldn't call the pilot "heavily" impaired, although one can still make inferences about his attitude towards the flight if one wishes. Back when the accident happened, it sounded like Ben Haas was hoping to examine the wreckage or otherwise get further info from the investigators, but I guess no further info could be obtained? Presumably Zenair had nothing more to add? Maybe the importance of all this is less now for 801 owners, given that there's a newer design extended horizontal tail (stab & elevator) that presumably is beefed up over both the original short span tail and the Flypass elevator extansion? I don't have any particular angle on all this; I was just curious about the implications of a couple recent posts mentioning the accident. Peter Chapman Toronto, ON ________________________________ Message 76 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:58 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Zenith-List: 801 Elevator Extension I don't want to get anything started, but what's this about an elevator extension? I've heard here and there that 801's run out of elevator on landing. I don't know if it's true or not since mine's not done yet. I got my tail this year. Are the newest tails different than the previous ones. Would someone fill me in please? 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