---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/17/06: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:36 AM - Fw: Nuvite (Bill Naumuk) 2. 08:43 AM - House siding brake works well (Brett Hanley) 3. 09:28 AM - 601 XL Long-Range Tanks Option? (PatrickW) 4. 09:55 AM - Re: House siding brake works well (VideoFlyer@aol.com) 5. 10:09 AM - Re: 601 XL Long-Range Tanks Option? (Robin Bellach) 6. 10:30 AM - Re: Re: Taildragger (Gary Gower) 7. 10:54 AM - Re: 601 XL Long-Range Tanks Option? (Paul Mulwitz) 8. 11:13 AM - Dave New (Brandon Tucker) 9. 11:15 AM - Re: Pulling Stainless Steel Rivets? (Gig Giacona) 10. 11:19 AM - Re: Selling our 601xl (Gig Giacona) 11. 11:19 AM - Re: Pulling Stainless steel rivets? (MaxNr@aol.com) 12. 11:23 AM - Re: tail dragger (Gig Giacona) 13. 01:28 PM - Re: 601 XL Long-Range Tanks Option? (David Wright) 14. 03:15 PM - tailwheel to rudder horn (Frank Probst) 15. 04:29 PM - Re: House siding brake works well (Randy L. Thwing) 16. 04:56 PM - Re: tailwheel to rudder horn (Gig Giacona) 17. 05:56 PM - Re: vg's (Carl Bertrand) 18. 07:12 PM - Re: vg's (Robert N. Eli) 19. 07:26 PM - Landing Lights Part II (Brad DeMeo) 20. 08:11 PM - Re: 601 XL Long-Range Tanks Option? (Charles Wacker) 21. 08:12 PM - Re: Landing Lights Part II (VideoFlyer@aol.com) 22. 08:12 PM - Re: The Puzzle of the Yellow Fuel (MElrod3732@aol.com) 23. 11:24 PM - Re: Landing Lights Part II (Bryan Martin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:31 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Fw: Nuvite From: Bill Naumuk Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Re: Nuvite Gary- The jury's still out because I still haven't been able to get the final finish I want, but I have high hopes for the Nuvite bonnets. You can't tell from the pictures on the website, but the bonnets are radically different from what I expected. They're RIGID! You should be able to forget about slipping and tearing, as long as you stay away from corners. Incidentally, the post of my e-mail with Ron to the list was unintended. I don't know if it's Microsoft Update or Norton Update that's causing the problem, but my computer will totally crash and reboot when I'm in the middle of responding to an e-mail and then say that I have to reboot again for updates to take effect. Since the site was running in the background, maybe there's some safety setting that copies everyone, I don't know. The sad thing about the whole shipping situation is, Nuvite isn't in business to provide products to deadbeats gratis, so you can't really blame them. I'm really pissed at FedEx ground in my area, though. Their whole attitude is, "It's our busy season- live with it". I blew the whole day yesterday waiting for them- they didn't deliver until 5:30. They can't deliver on a workday at 5:30, but they can when you're waiting around all day on a Saturday! The main office's explanation was that Ground is staffed by subcontractors who have their own set of rules. Whatever. I suppose the posting might have been a good idea after all. As I said before, you can't really blame Nuvite, and I really doubt if listers are pulling such dirty tricks. If they are, they're hurting us all. I'm going to be at it all day trying to get the finish I want on my c-section. If things work out, I'll post a blindingly shiny picture of the final results. This time, I'll be following Nuvite procedure to the letter, using nothing but Nuvite products. Just in case I get zapped out again- do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: naumuk@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 7:22 PM Subject: Nuvite Hi Bill, OK, I can see that you are unhappy with the shipping processes from Nuvite, but what about the product? I had some generic aluminum polish sitting around the garage, so I thought I would see what it took to polish the center section leading edge (un-installed). I have a 3,000 max rpm, variable speed grinder with a bonnet that I bought from Home Depot, but it still takes A LOT of work, and I'm not all that impressed with the end results. Would you go with the Nuvite again? Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, Tail done, wings done, working on c-section ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:24 AM PST US From: Brett Hanley Subject: Zenith-List: House siding brake works well I have heard it rumored many times that a standard aluminum siding brake wi ll not work for building a Zenith. The reason given is that it does not ha ve sufficient radius at the bend. THIS IS JUST NOT TRUE. =0A =0AI came acr oss a ten foot siding brake yesterday at a yard sale. After studying it f or a while I figured I could modify the shoe to give the desired radius. I bought it at the bargain price of one hundred dollars. When I got it home I made a bend. I was thrilled when I laid a one quarter inch drill bit in he bend and it showed I had a perfect one eight inch radius bend! Just wh at Chris H ordered. A great brake for ten dollars a foot. That is a barga in. It is compact and portable as well.=0A=0Aps: Still looking for some o ne to share my hangar in northwest Houston. It is a bargain.=0AIf interest ed call me at 713-589-9988.=0A=0ABrett=0AN858BH=0ASTOL 95% and 35% to go. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:33 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL Long-Range Tanks Option? From: "PatrickW" What exactly does the 601 XL "Long-Range Tanks Option" consist of...? Is it a pair of 15 gallon tanks "in addition to" the standard 12 gallon tanks? Is it a pair of 15 gallon tanks "instead of" the standard 12 gallon tanks? For the extra $490, what exactly do we get? The research that I've done (searching the archives, looking at my copy of the plans, looking at various websites) is conflicting, so I'd like to hear the current wisdom of the Forum members. Thanks, - Patrick Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82085#82085 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:14 AM PST US From: VideoFlyer@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: House siding brake works well I found that getting a proper radius on the bend is not the problem with an aluminum siding brake. MY PROBLEM is holding a LONG piece of .025 (or thicker) with sufficient force to keep it from slipping....particularly if you are making a 20mm flange. I tried using a siding brake when I first started my project. For small pieces it was OK. The longer pieces were a different story. I kept adjusting the clamping force tighter and tighter...until I could barely close the brake. I finally broke down and bought a box/pan brake from Harbor Freight. The difference was like night and day. I still can't bend the long stuff...but I took those pieces (there's only about 4 or 5) to a jobber. Now...having said that, I know that there are different kinds of siding brakes.. Some will do an eighth inch radius bend...others do a sharp 90 degree bend. Some have a rubber edge on the moving plane (like mine). It keeps from scuffing the siding but makes it difficult to work with all but the thinnest aluminum. I hope you can make the siding brake work. If you can, you got a good deal. I'm just relating my own experience. Dave Harms 601XL/Corvair ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:56 AM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Long-Range Tanks Option? I thinik the current $490 upgrade consists of two 15-gal. tanks instead of two 12-gal. tanks. The cofusion probably lies in the fact that previously ZAC offered a long range kit that amounted to two additional 12-gal tanks. This latter is what I have, for 48 gal. total. With this older 4-tank system, the inner tanks contain a thru-tube to carry the gas line from the outer tank. 15 + 12 or 15 +15 in each wing might also be a viable option, unless that capacity would excede structural limitations. If you are interested in more than the 30 gal. capacity as offered in the current upgrade and not into scratch building tanks, just check with ZAC to see of they will still do the older option. I'll bet that ZAC changed because the older option was not too popular as it offered more capacity tan practical for most people, the the current upgrade is probably much more partical and popular. I opted for the older long range 48 gal./4-tank option because I expect to often fly alone and my weight is just 140 lb. ----- Original Message ----- From: "PatrickW" Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 11:27 AM Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL Long-Range Tanks Option? > > What exactly does the 601 XL "Long-Range Tanks Option" consist of...? > > Is it a pair of 15 gallon tanks "in addition to" the standard 12 gallon > tanks? > Is it a pair of 15 gallon tanks "instead of" the standard 12 gallon tanks? > > For the extra $490, what exactly do we get? > > The research that I've done (searching the archives, looking at my copy of > the plans, looking at various websites) is conflicting, so I'd like to > hear the current wisdom of the Forum members. > > Thanks, > > - Patrick > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82085#82085 > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:30:11 AM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Taildragger Carlos... I think you have to learn to fly and forget about the "training wheel" :-) :-) ;-) Our Instructor and local bush pilot, here owns only taildraggers (3) and when asked why taildraggers he answers with a question: "Are there other type?" jokeing of course. Saludos Gary Gower Flying from Chapala, Mexico. 701 912S with training wheel. Carlos Sa wrote: Hi, Brandon Obviously I can't type worth a rat's tail... My address is carlossa52@gmail.com (not "51"). It seems that the actual construction of the TD option is not a problem. What may end up being a show stopper is (1) insurance, given I have no TD time at this point and (2) getting TD time: the two airports within 30 min driving have no TDs for rental/instruction... Bummer Thanks for your comments Carlos CH601-HD, plans Assembling wings. On 16/12/06, Brandon Tucker < btucke73@yahoo.com> wrote:Carlos, I tried e-mailing this to your address, but it returned. So here it is for all to read... Carlos, I recently finished my HDS taildragger. I did not, however, use the standard bungee cord gear. I fabricated and installed an aluminum spring gear. I don't believe that the main gear installation would be any more difficult to install forward of the spard rather than aft. Due to the curvature of the nose ribs and LE skin, this area is much stronger than aft of the spar, and lends well to gear installation. The tailwheel installation is pretty straightforward... __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:52 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Long-Range Tanks Option? Hi Patrick, The long range tank option for the XL from ZAC replaces the 12 gallon tanks with 15 gallon tanks to make a 30 gallon apparent total capacity. With larger engines this means approximately an additional hour of fuel burn. There is one nose rib change and a need to cut the opening in the skin for the filler and vent in different places. I wouldn't want to replace the standard tanks for long range ones after the plane is built, but it is a very simple change if done from the start. Best regards, Paul >What exactly does the 601 XL "Long-Range Tanks Option" consist of...? ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:13:16 AM PST US From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: Dave New Dave, I tried responding to your email, but it returned as an error. Please e-mail me again. VR/ Brandon Tucker Do not archive __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:28 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Pulling Stainless Steel Rivets? From: "Gig Giacona" I used the pneumatic riveter as well. The cheap one from Harbor freight and didn't give it a second thought. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82107#82107 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:19:27 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Selling our 601xl From: "Gig Giacona" He had some real good photos at this URL http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html if the "@" has been replaced with "[at]" in the URL you'll need to fis it. amyvega2005(at)earthlink. wrote: > Jack, > please shoot me some email pics. Thanxs > Juan > > -- -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82109#82109 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:19:34 AM PST US From: MaxNr@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Pulling Stainless steel rivets? Looking at the drawing of the XL's elevator, it looks like you could might get a bucking bar in to reach the two fwd (SS) rivets on the upper&lower horns and shoot those two with a rivet gun. Hope I don't have the drawing upside down again. AC 43.13-1B says that MONEL is a satisfactory replacement for SS. When I get to the elevator, I will ask Zenith about this. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:00 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: tail dragger From: "Gig Giacona" Don't forget you will also have to move the main gear. At least you do on the XL -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82113#82113 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:28:36 PM PST US From: David Wright Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Long-Range Tanks Option? Patrick I am in the process of scratch building the 15 gallon tanks and have the both the Zenith 12 gallon and 15 gallon drawings together with the CZAW 12 gallon drawings, apart from the capacity the only difference is that there is one less nose rib if you go the 15 gallon route. Let me know if you want an e-mail copy of the drawings for comparison Dave 601XL scratchbuilding wings Washington UK On 17 Dec 2006, at 17:27, PatrickW wrote: > > What exactly does the 601 XL "Long-Range Tanks Option" consist of...? > > Is it a pair of 15 gallon tanks "in addition to" the standard 12 > gallon tanks? > Is it a pair of 15 gallon tanks "instead of" the standard 12 gallon > tanks? > > For the extra $490, what exactly do we get? > > The research that I've done (searching the archives, looking at my > copy of the plans, looking at various websites) is conflicting, so > I'd like to hear the current wisdom of the Forum members. > > Thanks, > > - Patrick > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82085#82085 > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:27 PM PST US From: "Frank Probst" Subject: Zenith-List: tailwheel to rudder horn I recieved a matco tailwheel with my kit but with no plans or springs on how to attach it to the rudder horn. I ordered a compression tailwheel spring kit from spruce. My question is how did you TD builders attach the chains to the rudder horn? Did you use a clevis or some kind of a bent tab bolted to the horn. I sure hope the Td horn and the trigear horns are the same because everything is already installed Frank Probst _________________________________________________________________ Enter the "Telus Mobility Xbox a Day" contest for your chance to WIN! Telus Mobility is giving away an Microsoft Xbox 360 every day from November 20 to December 31, 2006! Just download Windows Live (MSN) Messenger to your IM-capable TELUS mobile phone, and you could be a winner! http://www.telusmobility.com/msnxbox/ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:39 PM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: House siding brake works well Here's a pic of the Tapco brake bending lite "L". I built up the sharp nose to achive the radius with layers of aluminum flashing. I also had to adjust the clamp down pressure to the max to clamp material in place. I've bent every piece for a 701, .032 and under, including the landing gear channel, etc. The .040 pieces such as the rear fuse longerons are too thick for this brake. For more discussion about these brakes, search the archives with the term "tapco". All in all it has done the job. Just so I could bend the .040 & larger, I found & bought a used Roper-Whitney 8' x 16 ga shop brake, now I can bend it all. I still use the tapco for the thinner stuff. Regards, Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas ----- Original Message ----- From: VideoFlyer@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: House siding brake works well I found that getting a proper radius on the bend is not the problem with an aluminum siding brake. MY PROBLEM is holding a LONG piece of .025 (or thicker) with sufficient force to keep it from slipping....particularly if you are making a 20mm flange. I tried using a siding brake when I first started my project. For small pieces it was OK. The longer pieces were a different story. I kept adjusting the clamping force tighter and tighter...until I could barely close the brake. I finally broke down and bought a box/pan brake from Harbor Freight. The difference was like night and day. I still can't bend the long stuff...but I took those pieces (there's only about 4 or 5) to a jobber. Now...having said that, I know that there are different kinds of siding brakes.. Some will do an eighth inch radius bend...others do a sharp 90 degree bend. Some have a rubber edge on the moving plane (like mine). It keeps from scuffing the siding but makes it difficult to work with all but the thinnest aluminum. I hope you can make the siding brake work. If you can, you got a good deal. I'm just relating my own experience. Dave Harms 601XL/Corvair ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:37 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: tailwheel to rudder horn From: "Gig Giacona" There are some pretty good photos amd drawing here. http://zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/tdo.html -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82155#82155 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:56:56 PM PST US From: "Carl Bertrand" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: vg's I was at least partly responsible for restarting the vg discussion with my post of 27 Nov. My sole purpose was to get empirical data from someone that had done trials and who was not marketing something at the same time. A second opinion is always good insurance. I am part of a small group of 701 flyers, some who showed interest in the effects of removing the slats. Before I would advise anyone contemplating such a major change I wanted more supporting data. I thank all who contributed points on both sides of the question. In Canada major changes to the Amateur category must be approved by Transport Canada. When I applied to have my new wings approved, I was surprised to find the process logical and devoid of heavy bureaucracy. I was informed that the Amateur Category was created in part to enable persons to experiment and develop improvements in design. At the same time Transport Canada must take measures to protect the general public. Every owner is held responsible whether he designs and builds from scratch or builds from a kit and makes no changes. It is my understanding that this is also true for owners of certified a/c. If you allow your a/c to fly then you have certified that it is airworthy and are responsible. The onus is then on you to prove that someone else is or shares the responsibility for any damages caused. Needless to say on the question of experimenting, I fall squarely on the side of those who like to experiment but recognise that risk is part of the game and one has to exercise due diligence for the safety of self and others. Carl 701/912 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:51 PM PST US From: "Robert N. Eli" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: vg's Carl, I assume from what you are saying that you plan to remove the slats and conduct your own flight tests. You didn't mention whether you will add the vg's or not (but I also assume that you will, given the reported performance improvements). I would appreciate your keeping the rest of us 701 builders posted on the progress as you take the steps toward flight testing. I for one, will be very interested in keeping abreast of the developments as they occur. Good luck. Bob Eli N701K ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Bertrand To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 8:57 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: vg's I was at least partly responsible for restarting the vg discussion with my post of 27 Nov. My sole purpose was to get empirical data from someone that had done trials and who was not marketing something at the same time. A second opinion is always good insurance. I am part of a small group of 701 flyers, some who showed interest in the effects of removing the slats. Before I would advise anyone contemplating such a major change I wanted more supporting data. I thank all who contributed points on both sides of the question. In Canada major changes to the Amateur category must be approved by Transport Canada. When I applied to have my new wings approved, I was surprised to find the process logical and devoid of heavy bureaucracy. I was informed that the Amateur Category was created in part to enable persons to experiment and develop improvements in design. At the same time Transport Canada must take measures to protect the general public. Every owner is held responsible whether he designs and builds from scratch or builds from a kit and makes no changes. It is my understanding that this is also true for owners of certified a/c. If you allow your a/c to fly then you have certified that it is airworthy and are responsible. The onus is then on you to prove that someone else is or shares the responsibility for any damages caused. Needless to say on the question of experimenting, I fall squarely on the side of those who like to experiment but recognise that risk is part of the game and one has to exercise due diligence for the safety of self and others. Carl 701/912 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:48 PM PST US From: Brad DeMeo Subject: Zenith-List: Landing Lights Part II Thanks for all the info in the first thread. This weekend while working in an ice cold hanger I tried to bend the landing light lens into the wing for fitting and final assembly. SNAP! It broke. So, I am wondering what other material anyone has used in this application for a landing light lens. The lens I broke was from LP Aero and appears to be acrylic (the sticker on the lens did not indicate material type and neither do the plans). Any ideas what would be appropriate on the leading edge under all flight and weather conditions? Other builders have told me their lenses are cracked and discolored in less than one year's use. Would lycra or some other more pliable substitute be appropriate? Brad do not archive -- The information contained in this transmission is attorney-client privileged and/or confidential information intended for the use of the individual or entity named-above as recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. IRS circular 230 Disclosure: As required by U.S. Treasury Regulations governing tax practice, you are hereby advised that any written tax advice contatined herein was not written or intended to be used (and cannot be used) by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding penalties that may be imposed under the U.S. Internal Revenue Code. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:01 PM PST US From: "Charles Wacker" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 XL Long-Range Tanks Option? You get two 15 gallon tanks to replace the 12 gallon tanks. Chuck Wacker 601XL Quick build >From: "PatrickW" >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL Long-Range Tanks Option? >Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 09:27:53 -0800 > > >What exactly does the 601 XL "Long-Range Tanks Option" consist of...? > >Is it a pair of 15 gallon tanks "in addition to" the standard 12 gallon >tanks? >Is it a pair of 15 gallon tanks "instead of" the standard 12 gallon tanks? > >For the extra $490, what exactly do we get? > >The research that I've done (searching the archives, looking at my copy of >the plans, looking at various websites) is conflicting, so I'd like to hear >the current wisdom of the Forum members. > >Thanks, > >- Patrick > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82085#82085 > > _________________________________________________________________ Share your latest news with your friends with the Windows Live Spaces friends module. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:00 PM PST US From: VideoFlyer@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing Lights Part II I think Lycra is another name for Spandex...a stretchy fabric. Do you mean Lexan? Lexan is a better choice (more pliable) than Plexiglass. Dave ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:41 PM PST US From: MElrod3732@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: The Puzzle of the Yellow Fuel I had the same problem after using the fuel line supplied by Zenith in my 701 I bought in October of 2003. I ended up replacing all the Zenith supplied fuel line with fuel line purchased at Auto Zone and have had no further problems with tinted (yellow) colored fuel. I informed Zenith about the problem, returned the problem fuel line and they credited me the amount I paid for the new fuel line. The tinting occurred with both Avgas & auto gas. Hope this helps. Mike Elrod ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:31 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing Lights Part II I built one of my landing light lenses out of acrylic and one out of Lexan. It took two attempts to make the acrylic one, the first one shattered when I tried to drill the holes for the mounting screws. On the second attempt I heated the tail end of a drill bit in a propane torch and melted my mounting holes in it. It was much easier to make the lens out of Lexan, the stuff cuts and drills abut like wood with no tendency to shatter. Lexan is not as scratch resistant as acrylic and I understand it wont tolerate exposure to gasoline and other petroleum solvents but those are not of great concern for a landing light lens mounted in the wing tip. I would highly recommend Lexan for this application. On Dec 17, 2006, at 10:26 PM, Brad DeMeo wrote: > Thanks for all the info in the first thread. This weekend while > working in an ice cold hanger I tried to bend the landing light > lens into the wing for fitting and final assembly. SNAP! It > broke. So, I am wondering what other material anyone has used in > this application for a landing light lens. The lens I broke was > from LP Aero and appears to be acrylic (the sticker on the lens did > not indicate material type and neither do the plans). Any ideas > what would be appropriate on the leading edge under all flight and > weather conditions? Other builders have told me their lenses are > cracked and discolored in less than one year's use. Would lycra > or some other more pliable substitute be appropriate? > > Brad > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.