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1. 04:17 AM - Re: Re: Taildragger (MacDonald Doug)
2. 07:26 AM - Re: Landing Lights Part II (John M. Goodings)
3. 07:26 AM - Landing lights (Mack Kreizenbeck)
4. 11:23 AM - Re: Landing lights (Craig Payne)
5. 12:29 PM - Re: Landing lights (Carlos Sa)
6. 12:31 PM - control cable question (ken smith)
7. 02:02 PM - Re: control cable question ()
8. 02:25 PM - Re: control cable question (Charles Wacker)
9. 02:43 PM - Re: control cable question (Jack Russell)
10. 03:14 PM - Re: Landing Lights Part II (Bill Naumuk)
11. 03:18 PM - Re: Landing Lights Part II (Bill Naumuk)
12. 03:59 PM - Re: Landing Lights Part II (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
13. 04:11 PM - Re: control cable question (Al Young)
14. 05:02 PM - Re: control cable question (Jaybannist@cs.com)
15. 06:07 PM - Re: Landing lights (Terry Phillips)
16. 07:02 PM - Re: Landing lights (Carlos Sa)
17. 08:05 PM - Re: Landing Lights Part II (Brandon Tucker)
18. 08:28 PM - OFF TOPIC, but funny (ZodieRocket)
19. 08:53 PM - Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny (Edward Moody II)
20. 09:35 PM - Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny (JOHN STARN)
21. 10:01 PM - Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny (Ron Lendon)
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Taildragger |
Careful Carlos, taildraggers are addictive. I did my
Rec Permit in a Citabria 7ECA. It just feels right.
The C-152s that the school runs most of the time are
kind of boring to fly after the Citabria.
Unfortunately for you, I did/am doing my training at
Harv's Air in Steinbach, MB (Canada) which is about 25
miles SE of Winnipeg. That's a little far away from
Montreal. They have a total of four taildraggers for
training but only the two Citabrias are commonly used.
The other two are a Pitts and a Taylorcraft.
They do have on base living and rental houses in town
if you were interested in spending a week or two of
vacation time getting a tailwheel checkout. If you
are interested in more information, the website is
www.harvsair.com.
It's not a simple option for TD time but it is an
option.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Lights Part II |
For the curved lenses in wingtips, as others have said, Lexan seems to be
the way to go. We used it successfully, with a thickness of 1/32 inch.
Lexan is one trade name for polycarbonate. One drawback of Lexan is that
it clouds/discolours with almost any solvent. Acrylic (aka lucite,
perspex) plastic is more solvent-resistent. If you preheat it (somewhat
above the boiling point of water - the judicious use of a heat gun can be
satisfactory for relatively small pieces), it will bend and take a
permanent set into a curved shape. However, you don't need heat with
Lexan. One good tip: both Lexan and acrylic can be polished and
protected very nicely with Nu Finish car wax in an orange plastic bottle,
sold in Canada in Canadian Tire stores for about $9. It is much cheaper
(and much better, in my opinion) than Mirror Glaze and other aviation
waxes which I tried before someone put me onto Nu Finish. It does not
discolour or cloud Lexan or acrylic, even after several years of use.
John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, Toronto/Ottawa/Waterloo.
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Greetings:
I'm reading your messages about personal preferences, rules and regs, etc.
when it comes to the use of landing lights. Nobody has mentioned safety!
When I learned to fly in the Seattle area back in the 60's, my instructor's
insistence was that I was to always use landing lights in the congested
areas. In fact it is good idea to use every light on your aircraft! The
human eye has a faster response to bright lights -- a fact proven by law
enforcement, ambulance services, etc... I've found that tower operators
prefer "lights-on" during landing/take-offs operations. I even use landing
lights at non-towered a field -- who knows it may have saved my life a time
or two. I know that many pilots never use landing lights during the day --
so I hope that this blip will influence your decisions on installing and
operation of landing lights!
Mack
The poh oh farm boy from Idaho with a 601XL in completion stages
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>> Nobody has mentioned safety!
Actually I did mention that everyone should consider installing a landing
light in each wing and install a wig-wag generator:
http://www.bandc.biz/WigWag.html
http://periheliondesign.com/wigwagmnl.htm
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Landing lights |
Talking abour wig-wag, remember that (according to previous postings on this
list) HID lights cannot be "wig-waged".
Carlos
On 18/12/06, Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
>
>
> >> Nobody has mentioned safety!
>
> Actually I did mention that everyone should consider installing a landing
> light in each wing and install a wig-wag generator:
>
> http://www.bandc.biz/WigWag.html
> http://periheliondesign.com/wigwagmnl.htm
>
> -- Craig
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| Subject: | control cable question |
I am currently making the control cables for my 601xl,
and the drgs call for the turnbuckles for the elevator
cables to be attached to the stick. During contruction
this is almost doable if installed before the armrests
get rivetted. Afterwards, it is virtually impossible
to get to let alone safety wire if it needs
adjustment. My question is: is it OK to attach a
shackle and a short length of cable (enough to reach
the access panel in the fuselage), and put the
turnbuckle where it can be easily accessed half way
down the fuse?
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| Subject: | Re: control cable question |
That's exactly what I did. I figured the lengths necessary to put the
turnbuckles in close proximity to the access hatch, then threaded the
wires, made the loops (don't forget the thimbles), swedged them
critters, and attached turnbuckles. I don't think it makes any
difference where they are, as long as you have them, to set cable
tension. Why ZAC puts the turnbuckles there is beyond me, unless they
intend for you to rivet the armrest way later.
Paul Rodriguez
601XL/Corvair
----- Original Message -----
From: ken smith<mailto:lrepilot@yahoo.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 2:31 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: control cable question
<lrepilot@yahoo.com<mailto:lrepilot@yahoo.com>>
I am currently making the control cables for my 601xl,
and the drgs call for the turnbuckles for the elevator
cables to be attached to the stick. During contruction
this is almost doable if installed before the armrests
get rivetted. Afterwards, it is virtually impossible
to get to let alone safety wire if it needs
adjustment. My question is: is it OK to attach a
shackle and a short length of cable (enough to reach
the access panel in the fuselage), and put the
turnbuckle where it can be easily accessed half way
down the fuse?
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| Subject: | Re: control cable question |
I have dual sticks in my plane and did not like the fact that I could not
get to the bellcrank under the covers. For that reason I used nut plates and
bolts to secure the arm rest cover, that way i can remove it anytime i would
like.
Chuck Wacker
601XL Quick Build
>From: <paulrod36@msn.com>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: control cable question
>Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:00:29 -0600
>
>That's exactly what I did. I figured the lengths necessary to put the
>turnbuckles in close proximity to the access hatch, then threaded the
>wires, made the loops (don't forget the thimbles), swedged them critters,
>and attached turnbuckles. I don't think it makes any difference where they
>are, as long as you have them, to set cable tension. Why ZAC puts the
>turnbuckles there is beyond me, unless they intend for you to rivet the
>armrest way later.
>
>Paul Rodriguez
>601XL/Corvair
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ken smith<mailto:lrepilot@yahoo.com>
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 2:31 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: control cable question
>
>
><lrepilot@yahoo.com<mailto:lrepilot@yahoo.com>>
>
> I am currently making the control cables for my 601xl,
> and the drgs call for the turnbuckles for the elevator
> cables to be attached to the stick. During contruction
> this is almost doable if installed before the armrests
> get rivetted. Afterwards, it is virtually impossible
> to get to let alone safety wire if it needs
> adjustment. My question is: is it OK to attach a
> shackle and a short length of cable (enough to reach
> the access panel in the fuselage), and put the
> turnbuckle where it can be easily accessed half way
> down the fuse?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: control cable question |
ken: I figured the same on access. I reversed the bottom cable,(upper elev) and
put the turnbuckle back at the elev horn under the fiberglass. I had nick look
at it when he visited my hanger and said it was ok. Still works fine. jack
in los osos ca
I am currently making the control cables for my 601xl,
and the drgs call for the turnbuckles for the elevator
cables to be attached to the stick. During contruction
this is almost doable if installed before the armrests
get rivetted. Afterwards, it is virtually impossible
to get to let alone safety wire if it needs
adjustment. My question is: is it OK to attach a
shackle and a short length of cable (enough to reach
the access panel in the fuselage), and put the
turnbuckle where it can be easily accessed half way
down the fuse?
__________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Lights Part II |
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad DeMeo" <demeo@sonic.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:26 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Landing Lights Part II
> Thanks for all the info in the first thread. This weekend while working
> in an ice cold hanger I tried to bend the landing light lens into the
> wing for fitting and final assembly. SNAP! It broke. So, I am
> wondering what other material anyone has used in this application for a
> landing light lens. The lens I broke was from LP Aero and appears to be
> acrylic (the sticker on the lens did not indicate material type and
> neither do the plans). Any ideas what would be appropriate on the
> leading edge under all flight and weather conditions? Other builders
> have told me their lenses are cracked and discolored in less than one
> year's use. Would lycra or some other more pliable substitute be
> appropriate?
>
> Brad
>
> do not archive
>
> --
>
> The information contained in this transmission is attorney-client
> privileged and/or confidential information intended for the use of the
> individual or entity named-above as recipient. If the reader of this
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> prohibited.
>
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> used) by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding penalties that may be
> imposed under the U.S. Internal Revenue Code.
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Lights Part II |
Brad-
Contact Jeff Small. He used standard plexiglass but heated the blank to
shape in his (Cooking) oven. Definitely thought out of the box.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad DeMeo" <demeo@sonic.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:26 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Landing Lights Part II
> Thanks for all the info in the first thread. This weekend while working
> in an ice cold hanger I tried to bend the landing light lens into the
> wing for fitting and final assembly. SNAP! It broke. So, I am
> wondering what other material anyone has used in this application for a
> landing light lens. The lens I broke was from LP Aero and appears to be
> acrylic (the sticker on the lens did not indicate material type and
> neither do the plans). Any ideas what would be appropriate on the
> leading edge under all flight and weather conditions? Other builders
> have told me their lenses are cracked and discolored in less than one
> year's use. Would lycra or some other more pliable substitute be
> appropriate?
>
> Brad
>
> do not archive
>
> --
>
> The information contained in this transmission is attorney-client
> privileged and/or confidential information intended for the use of the
> individual or entity named-above as recipient. If the reader of this
> message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly
> prohibited.
>
> IRS circular 230 Disclosure: As required by U.S. Treasury Regulations
> governing tax practice, you are hereby advised that any written tax advice
> contatined herein was not written or intended to be used (and cannot be
> used) by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding penalties that may be
> imposed under the U.S. Internal Revenue Code.
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Lights Part II |
I made my lenses out of plexi. I put them in the oven and tested a piece to
see what temp worked best. When you find the proper temp you have to place the
plxi on something smooth because it will be soft and will pick up any
impression it is laying on. The best way to shape it is to make a piece of 0.25
the
same as the leading edge then use it to form the plexi around. the plexi
will almost be like taffy and won't be hard to form. You will need to make it
oversized because the gloves you are wearing WILL leave an impression in the
plexi. Let it cool and you are done. Don't try and cool it with water just let
it cool slowly and you will have a nice lens. The ones I made were for the
Vans RV-7 and they are still looking good to this day.
Hope this helps
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| Subject: | Re: control cable question |
Ken- I hinged my armrest at the rear with a piece of leftover piano hinge,
put a cross brace from oneside to the other and covered the lid with
leather. I can access the turnbuckles by lifting up the cover.
Al Young
N601AY
----- Original Message -----
From: "ken smith" <lrepilot@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 2:31 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: control cable question
>
> I am currently making the control cables for my 601xl,
> and the drgs call for the turnbuckles for the elevator
> cables to be attached to the stick. During contruction
> this is almost doable if installed before the armrests
> get rivetted. Afterwards, it is virtually impossible
> to get to let alone safety wire if it needs
> adjustment. My question is: is it OK to attach a
> shackle and a short length of cable (enough to reach
> the access panel in the fuselage), and put the
> turnbuckle where it can be easily accessed half way
> down the fuse?
>
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: control cable question |
With the dual stick option, you there are two armrest cover plates. I, also, hinged
the rear one; and fastened both converplates with nutplates. I kept the
upper turnbuckle within the armrest, but placed the other one at the upper elevator
control horn. I am fastening the fiberglass "saddle" with nutplates so
I can access the turnbuckle.
I also found that I could not install the horizontal stab. with the rearmost upper
skin (with a carefully coped cutout) in place. I cut off the upper skin to
within about 40mm of the rear bulkhead and made a .016 fairing to close the
gap between the upper skin and the saddle. It too, will be fastened with nutplates.
Jay in Dallas
"Al Young" <armyret@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>Ken- I hinged my armrest at the rear with a piece of leftover piano hinge,
>put a cross brace from oneside to the other and covered the lid with
>leather. I can access the turnbuckles by lifting up the cover.
>Al Young
>N601AY
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "ken smith" <lrepilot@yahoo.com>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 2:31 PM
>Subject: Zenith-List: control cable question
>
>
>>
>> I am currently making the control cables for my 601xl,
>> and the drgs call for the turnbuckles for the elevator
>> cables to be attached to the stick. During contruction
>> this is almost doable if installed before the armrests
>> get rivetted. Afterwards, it is virtually impossible
>> to get to let alone safety wire if it needs
>> adjustment. My question is: is it OK to attach a
>> shackle and a short length of cable (enough to reach
>> the access panel in the fuselage), and put the
>> turnbuckle where it can be easily accessed half way
>> down the fuse?
>>
>>
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing lights |
I didn't see the previous postings about wig-wagging HID's, but, if HID
lights cannot be wig-waged, that is going to be a major disappointment to
Bill at CreativAir
http://www.creativair.com/wigwag-flashers-kits-c-24.html
since he sells a wig-wag flasher expressly for HID and Halogen lights.
I'm planning to use both his 2" HID light kit and his wig-wag flasher in my
601.
Terry
At 03:28 PM 12/18/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>Talking abour wig-wag, remember that (according to previous postings on
>this list) HID lights cannot be "wig-waged".
>
>Carlos
Terry Phillips
ttp44~~at~~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
Just starting a 601 kit
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| Subject: | Re: Landing lights |
Interesting. I did some additional searches, and found several msgs on the
subject.
This one is from the RV10 list:
*Message: **#7801**Subject: **WIG-WAG
HIDS<http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=13945576?KEYS=hid_&_wig?LISTNAME=RV10?HITNUMBER=5?SERIAL=18324116432?SHOWBUTTONS=NO>
**Date: **Sep 26, 2006**From: **"Neville Boyle"
<nevilleboyle(at)bencomm.com.au>*
*If you are prepared to potentially sacrifice some bulb light it is possible
to WIG-WAG the HID Xenon globes.You need to be aware that the globes have a
warm up time while the gas is ionising and they need to warm fully to burn
the deposit left while warming up off the glass (this means the flash rate
needs to be longer than 3 seconds per side) The second problem is that most
of the commercial flash units rely on a low impedance through the filament
of the traditional globe that does not exist with the xenon
alternative.Onmy plane I increased the capacitor size to slow the
flash rate and provided
a additional earth in stead of the traditional path through the globe
filament Neville Boyle VH-NVL 33 hours *
So apparently it can be done, but there may me trade-offs.
Happy building
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
Montreal, Canada
On 18/12/06, Terry Phillips <ttp44@rkymtn.net> wrote:
>
>
> I didn't see the previous postings about wig-wagging HID's, but, if HID
> lights cannot be wig-waged, that is going to be a major disappointment to
> Bill at CreativAir
>
> http://www.creativair.com/wigwag-flashers-kits-c-24.html
>
> since he sells a wig-wag flasher expressly for HID and Halogen lights.
>
> I'm planning to use both his 2" HID light kit and his wig-wag flasher in
> my
> 601.
>
> Terry
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Lights Part II |
I used Lexan. There is no reason I can think of to
use plexiglass for this application. Lexan will not
break. In fact, I screwed directly into the Lexan to
install. I heated it in the oven to bend, and used a
heat gun for a little extra.
R/
Brandon
N601XT HDS 40 hours
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| Subject: | OFF TOPIC, but funny |
Check this out and you will see the Chris Heintz influence.
This is the new Mercedes Benz SCL600.
This car is really different.
.....and now for the 'really different' part:
Here is what is different.
No steering wheel, you drive it with a joystick. No pedals either. Can
you
drive with a joystick? Your kids and grandkids probably can. The
influence
of video games in our lives has really arrived, wouldn't ya say?
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny |
Do they offer a dual stick option?
Ed
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny |
Still off topic. Do Not Archive.
Sounds like 16,000 more things to go wrong and need an expert to fix
once the warrantee is up. Just brought a '67 Dodge Charger to the hanger
for some TLC, now I know I can work on this one. KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: ZodieRocket
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 8:28 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: OFF TOPIC, but funny
Check this out and you will see the Chris Heintz influence.
This is the new Mercedes Benz SCL600.
This car is really different.
.....and now for the 'really different' part:
Here is what is different.
No steering wheel, you drive it with a joystick. No pedals either.
Can you
drive with a joystick? Your kids and grandkids probably can. The
influence
of video games in our lives has really arrived, wouldn't ya say?
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny |
And the best part is it can be sold anywhere in the world. You could drive it
from either side. Hope you are Ambidextrous. :D
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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