---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/18/06: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:17 AM - Re: Re: Taildragger (MacDonald Doug) 2. 07:26 AM - Re: Landing Lights Part II (John M. Goodings) 3. 07:26 AM - Landing lights (Mack Kreizenbeck) 4. 11:23 AM - Re: Landing lights (Craig Payne) 5. 12:29 PM - Re: Landing lights (Carlos Sa) 6. 12:31 PM - control cable question (ken smith) 7. 02:02 PM - Re: control cable question () 8. 02:25 PM - Re: control cable question (Charles Wacker) 9. 02:43 PM - Re: control cable question (Jack Russell) 10. 03:14 PM - Re: Landing Lights Part II (Bill Naumuk) 11. 03:18 PM - Re: Landing Lights Part II (Bill Naumuk) 12. 03:59 PM - Re: Landing Lights Part II (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 13. 04:11 PM - Re: control cable question (Al Young) 14. 05:02 PM - Re: control cable question (Jaybannist@cs.com) 15. 06:07 PM - Re: Landing lights (Terry Phillips) 16. 07:02 PM - Re: Landing lights (Carlos Sa) 17. 08:05 PM - Re: Landing Lights Part II (Brandon Tucker) 18. 08:28 PM - OFF TOPIC, but funny (ZodieRocket) 19. 08:53 PM - Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny (Edward Moody II) 20. 09:35 PM - Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny (JOHN STARN) 21. 10:01 PM - Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny (Ron Lendon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:12 AM PST US From: MacDonald Doug Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Taildragger Careful Carlos, taildraggers are addictive. I did my Rec Permit in a Citabria 7ECA. It just feels right. The C-152s that the school runs most of the time are kind of boring to fly after the Citabria. Unfortunately for you, I did/am doing my training at Harv's Air in Steinbach, MB (Canada) which is about 25 miles SE of Winnipeg. That's a little far away from Montreal. They have a total of four taildraggers for training but only the two Citabrias are commonly used. The other two are a Pitts and a Taylorcraft. They do have on base living and rental houses in town if you were interested in spending a week or two of vacation time getting a tailwheel checkout. If you are interested in more information, the website is www.harvsair.com. It's not a simple option for TD time but it is an option. Doug MacDonald CH-701 Scratch Builder NW Ontario, Canada do not archive __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:37 AM PST US From: "John M. Goodings" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Landing Lights Part II For the curved lenses in wingtips, as others have said, Lexan seems to be the way to go. We used it successfully, with a thickness of 1/32 inch. Lexan is one trade name for polycarbonate. One drawback of Lexan is that it clouds/discolours with almost any solvent. Acrylic (aka lucite, perspex) plastic is more solvent-resistent. If you preheat it (somewhat above the boiling point of water - the judicious use of a heat gun can be satisfactory for relatively small pieces), it will bend and take a permanent set into a curved shape. However, you don't need heat with Lexan. One good tip: both Lexan and acrylic can be polished and protected very nicely with Nu Finish car wax in an orange plastic bottle, sold in Canada in Canadian Tire stores for about $9. It is much cheaper (and much better, in my opinion) than Mirror Glaze and other aviation waxes which I tried before someone put me onto Nu Finish. It does not discolour or cloud Lexan or acrylic, even after several years of use. John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, Toronto/Ottawa/Waterloo. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:37 AM PST US From: "Mack Kreizenbeck" Subject: Zenith-List: Landing lights Greetings: I'm reading your messages about personal preferences, rules and regs, etc. when it comes to the use of landing lights. Nobody has mentioned safety! When I learned to fly in the Seattle area back in the 60's, my instructor's insistence was that I was to always use landing lights in the congested areas. In fact it is good idea to use every light on your aircraft! The human eye has a faster response to bright lights -- a fact proven by law enforcement, ambulance services, etc... I've found that tower operators prefer "lights-on" during landing/take-offs operations. I even use landing lights at non-towered a field -- who knows it may have saved my life a time or two. I know that many pilots never use landing lights during the day -- so I hope that this blip will influence your decisions on installing and operation of landing lights! Mack The poh oh farm boy from Idaho with a 601XL in completion stages ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:49 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Landing lights >> Nobody has mentioned safety! Actually I did mention that everyone should consider installing a landing light in each wing and install a wig-wag generator: http://www.bandc.biz/WigWag.html http://periheliondesign.com/wigwagmnl.htm -- Craig ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:29:43 PM PST US From: "Carlos Sa" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing lights Talking abour wig-wag, remember that (according to previous postings on this list) HID lights cannot be "wig-waged". Carlos On 18/12/06, Craig Payne wrote: > > > >> Nobody has mentioned safety! > > Actually I did mention that everyone should consider installing a landing > light in each wing and install a wig-wag generator: > > http://www.bandc.biz/WigWag.html > http://periheliondesign.com/wigwagmnl.htm > > -- Craig ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:35 PM PST US From: ken smith Subject: Zenith-List: control cable question I am currently making the control cables for my 601xl, and the drgs call for the turnbuckles for the elevator cables to be attached to the stick. During contruction this is almost doable if installed before the armrests get rivetted. Afterwards, it is virtually impossible to get to let alone safety wire if it needs adjustment. My question is: is it OK to attach a shackle and a short length of cable (enough to reach the access panel in the fuselage), and put the turnbuckle where it can be easily accessed half way down the fuse? __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:27 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: control cable question That's exactly what I did. I figured the lengths necessary to put the turnbuckles in close proximity to the access hatch, then threaded the wires, made the loops (don't forget the thimbles), swedged them critters, and attached turnbuckles. I don't think it makes any difference where they are, as long as you have them, to set cable tension. Why ZAC puts the turnbuckles there is beyond me, unless they intend for you to rivet the armrest way later. Paul Rodriguez 601XL/Corvair ----- Original Message ----- From: ken smith To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 2:31 PM Subject: Zenith-List: control cable question > I am currently making the control cables for my 601xl, and the drgs call for the turnbuckles for the elevator cables to be attached to the stick. During contruction this is almost doable if installed before the armrests get rivetted. Afterwards, it is virtually impossible to get to let alone safety wire if it needs adjustment. My question is: is it OK to attach a shackle and a short length of cable (enough to reach the access panel in the fuselage), and put the turnbuckle where it can be easily accessed half way down the fuse? __________________________________________________ www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.kitlog.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:25:55 PM PST US From: "Charles Wacker" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: control cable question I have dual sticks in my plane and did not like the fact that I could not get to the bellcrank under the covers. For that reason I used nut plates and bolts to secure the arm rest cover, that way i can remove it anytime i would like. Chuck Wacker 601XL Quick Build >From: >To: >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: control cable question >Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:00:29 -0600 > >That's exactly what I did. I figured the lengths necessary to put the >turnbuckles in close proximity to the access hatch, then threaded the >wires, made the loops (don't forget the thimbles), swedged them critters, >and attached turnbuckles. I don't think it makes any difference where they >are, as long as you have them, to set cable tension. Why ZAC puts the >turnbuckles there is beyond me, unless they intend for you to rivet the >armrest way later. > >Paul Rodriguez >601XL/Corvair > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ken smith > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 2:31 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: control cable question > > >> > > I am currently making the control cables for my 601xl, > and the drgs call for the turnbuckles for the elevator > cables to be attached to the stick. During contruction > this is almost doable if installed before the armrests > get rivetted. Afterwards, it is virtually impossible > to get to let alone safety wire if it needs > adjustment. My question is: is it OK to attach a > shackle and a short length of cable (enough to reach > the access panel in the fuselage), and put the > turnbuckle where it can be easily accessed half way > down the fuse? > > > __________________________________________________ > > www.aeroelectric.com >www.buildersbooks.com >www.kitlog.com >www.homebuilthelp.com >http://www.matronics.com/contribution > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > > _________________________________________________________________ Type your favorite song. Get a customized station. Try MSN Radio powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:41 PM PST US From: Jack Russell Subject: Re: Zenith-List: control cable question ken: I figured the same on access. I reversed the bottom cable,(upper elev) and put the turnbuckle back at the elev horn under the fiberglass. I had nick look at it when he visited my hanger and said it was ok. Still works fine. jack in los osos ca I am currently making the control cables for my 601xl, and the drgs call for the turnbuckles for the elevator cables to be attached to the stick. During contruction this is almost doable if installed before the armrests get rivetted. Afterwards, it is virtually impossible to get to let alone safety wire if it needs adjustment. My question is: is it OK to attach a shackle and a short length of cable (enough to reach the access panel in the fuselage), and put the turnbuckle where it can be easily accessed half way down the fuse? __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:14:48 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing Lights Part II Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad DeMeo" Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:26 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Landing Lights Part II > Thanks for all the info in the first thread. This weekend while working > in an ice cold hanger I tried to bend the landing light lens into the > wing for fitting and final assembly. SNAP! It broke. So, I am > wondering what other material anyone has used in this application for a > landing light lens. The lens I broke was from LP Aero and appears to be > acrylic (the sticker on the lens did not indicate material type and > neither do the plans). Any ideas what would be appropriate on the > leading edge under all flight and weather conditions? Other builders > have told me their lenses are cracked and discolored in less than one > year's use. Would lycra or some other more pliable substitute be > appropriate? > > Brad > > do not archive > > -- > > The information contained in this transmission is attorney-client > privileged and/or confidential information intended for the use of the > individual or entity named-above as recipient. If the reader of this > message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly > prohibited. > > IRS circular 230 Disclosure: As required by U.S. Treasury Regulations > governing tax practice, you are hereby advised that any written tax advice > contatined herein was not written or intended to be used (and cannot be > used) by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding penalties that may be > imposed under the U.S. Internal Revenue Code. > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:49 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing Lights Part II Brad- Contact Jeff Small. He used standard plexiglass but heated the blank to shape in his (Cooking) oven. Definitely thought out of the box. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad DeMeo" Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:26 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Landing Lights Part II > Thanks for all the info in the first thread. This weekend while working > in an ice cold hanger I tried to bend the landing light lens into the > wing for fitting and final assembly. SNAP! It broke. So, I am > wondering what other material anyone has used in this application for a > landing light lens. The lens I broke was from LP Aero and appears to be > acrylic (the sticker on the lens did not indicate material type and > neither do the plans). Any ideas what would be appropriate on the > leading edge under all flight and weather conditions? Other builders > have told me their lenses are cracked and discolored in less than one > year's use. Would lycra or some other more pliable substitute be > appropriate? > > Brad > > do not archive > > -- > > The information contained in this transmission is attorney-client > privileged and/or confidential information intended for the use of the > individual or entity named-above as recipient. If the reader of this > message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly > prohibited. > > IRS circular 230 Disclosure: As required by U.S. Treasury Regulations > governing tax practice, you are hereby advised that any written tax advice > contatined herein was not written or intended to be used (and cannot be > used) by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding penalties that may be > imposed under the U.S. Internal Revenue Code. > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:51 PM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing Lights Part II I made my lenses out of plexi. I put them in the oven and tested a piece to see what temp worked best. When you find the proper temp you have to place the plxi on something smooth because it will be soft and will pick up any impression it is laying on. The best way to shape it is to make a piece of 0.25 the same as the leading edge then use it to form the plexi around. the plexi will almost be like taffy and won't be hard to form. You will need to make it oversized because the gloves you are wearing WILL leave an impression in the plexi. Let it cool and you are done. Don't try and cool it with water just let it cool slowly and you will have a nice lens. The ones I made were for the Vans RV-7 and they are still looking good to this day. Hope this helps ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:23 PM PST US From: "Al Young" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: control cable question Ken- I hinged my armrest at the rear with a piece of leftover piano hinge, put a cross brace from oneside to the other and covered the lid with leather. I can access the turnbuckles by lifting up the cover. Al Young N601AY ----- Original Message ----- From: "ken smith" Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 2:31 PM Subject: Zenith-List: control cable question > > I am currently making the control cables for my 601xl, > and the drgs call for the turnbuckles for the elevator > cables to be attached to the stick. During contruction > this is almost doable if installed before the armrests > get rivetted. Afterwards, it is virtually impossible > to get to let alone safety wire if it needs > adjustment. My question is: is it OK to attach a > shackle and a short length of cable (enough to reach > the access panel in the fuselage), and put the > turnbuckle where it can be easily accessed half way > down the fuse? > > > __________________________________________________ > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:54 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: control cable question With the dual stick option, you there are two armrest cover plates. I, also, hinged the rear one; and fastened both converplates with nutplates. I kept the upper turnbuckle within the armrest, but placed the other one at the upper elevator control horn. I am fastening the fiberglass "saddle" with nutplates so I can access the turnbuckle. I also found that I could not install the horizontal stab. with the rearmost upper skin (with a carefully coped cutout) in place. I cut off the upper skin to within about 40mm of the rear bulkhead and made a .016 fairing to close the gap between the upper skin and the saddle. It too, will be fastened with nutplates. Jay in Dallas "Al Young" wrote: > >Ken- I hinged my armrest at the rear with a piece of leftover piano hinge, >put a cross brace from oneside to the other and covered the lid with >leather. I can access the turnbuckles by lifting up the cover. >Al Young >N601AY > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "ken smith" >To: >Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 2:31 PM >Subject: Zenith-List: control cable question > > >> >> I am currently making the control cables for my 601xl, >> and the drgs call for the turnbuckles for the elevator >> cables to be attached to the stick. During contruction >> this is almost doable if installed before the armrests >> get rivetted. Afterwards, it is virtually impossible >> to get to let alone safety wire if it needs >> adjustment. My question is: is it OK to attach a >> shackle and a short length of cable (enough to reach >> the access panel in the fuselage), and put the >> turnbuckle where it can be easily accessed half way >> down the fuse? >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:37 PM PST US From: Terry Phillips Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing lights I didn't see the previous postings about wig-wagging HID's, but, if HID lights cannot be wig-waged, that is going to be a major disappointment to Bill at CreativAir http://www.creativair.com/wigwag-flashers-kits-c-24.html since he sells a wig-wag flasher expressly for HID and Halogen lights. I'm planning to use both his 2" HID light kit and his wig-wag flasher in my 601. Terry At 03:28 PM 12/18/2006 -0500, you wrote: >Talking abour wig-wag, remember that (according to previous postings on >this list) HID lights cannot be "wig-waged". > >Carlos Terry Phillips ttp44~~at~~rkymtn.net Corvallis MT Just starting a 601 kit ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:35 PM PST US From: "Carlos Sa" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing lights Interesting. I did some additional searches, and found several msgs on the subject. This one is from the RV10 list: *Message: **#7801**Subject: **WIG-WAG HIDS **Date: **Sep 26, 2006**From: **"Neville Boyle" * *If you are prepared to potentially sacrifice some bulb light it is possible to WIG-WAG the HID Xenon globes.You need to be aware that the globes have a warm up time while the gas is ionising and they need to warm fully to burn the deposit left while warming up off the glass (this means the flash rate needs to be longer than 3 seconds per side) The second problem is that most of the commercial flash units rely on a low impedance through the filament of the traditional globe that does not exist with the xenon alternative.Onmy plane I increased the capacitor size to slow the flash rate and provided a additional earth in stead of the traditional path through the globe filament Neville Boyle VH-NVL 33 hours * So apparently it can be done, but there may me trade-offs. Happy building Carlos CH601-HD, plans Montreal, Canada On 18/12/06, Terry Phillips wrote: > > > I didn't see the previous postings about wig-wagging HID's, but, if HID > lights cannot be wig-waged, that is going to be a major disappointment to > Bill at CreativAir > > http://www.creativair.com/wigwag-flashers-kits-c-24.html > > since he sells a wig-wag flasher expressly for HID and Halogen lights. > > I'm planning to use both his 2" HID light kit and his wig-wag flasher in > my > 601. > > Terry > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:41 PM PST US From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Landing Lights Part II I used Lexan. There is no reason I can think of to use plexiglass for this application. Lexan will not break. In fact, I screwed directly into the Lexan to install. I heated it in the oven to bend, and used a heat gun for a little extra. R/ Brandon N601XT HDS 40 hours __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:51 PM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: Zenith-List: OFF TOPIC, but funny Check this out and you will see the Chris Heintz influence. This is the new Mercedes Benz SCL600. This car is really different. .....and now for the 'really different' part: Here is what is different. No steering wheel, you drive it with a joystick. No pedals either. Can you drive with a joystick? Your kids and grandkids probably can. The influence of video games in our lives has really arrived, wouldn't ya say? Do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:50 PM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: OFF TOPIC, but funny Do they offer a dual stick option? Ed Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:06 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: OFF TOPIC, but funny Still off topic. Do Not Archive. Sounds like 16,000 more things to go wrong and need an expert to fix once the warrantee is up. Just brought a '67 Dodge Charger to the hanger for some TLC, now I know I can work on this one. KABONG ----- Original Message ----- From: ZodieRocket To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 8:28 PM Subject: Zenith-List: OFF TOPIC, but funny Check this out and you will see the Chris Heintz influence. This is the new Mercedes Benz SCL600. This car is really different. .....and now for the 'really different' part: Here is what is different. No steering wheel, you drive it with a joystick. No pedals either. Can you drive with a joystick? Your kids and grandkids probably can. The influence of video games in our lives has really arrived, wouldn't ya say? Do not archive ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:01:53 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny From: "Ron Lendon" And the best part is it can be sold anywhere in the world. You could drive it from either side. Hope you are Ambidextrous. :D -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82381#82381 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.