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1. 12:23 AM - New workbench! (John Marzulli)
2. 04:54 AM - Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny (Rick R)
3. 04:57 AM - Re: New workbench! (Rick R)
4. 05:24 AM - Inspection plate fasteners (Ryan Vechinski)
5. 06:08 AM - Re: Inspection plate fasteners (Aaron Gustafson)
6. 06:16 AM - Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny (billbutlergps@aim.com)
7. 06:18 AM - Re: Inspection plate fasteners (Gig Giacona)
8. 06:28 AM - Re: Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny ()
9. 06:59 AM - Re: Inspection plate fasteners (Terry Turnquist)
10. 07:24 AM - Re: Inspection plate fasteners ()
11. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: Inspection plate fasteners (Robin Bellach)
12. 08:18 AM - Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny (Michael Valentine)
13. 08:31 AM - Re: Inspection plate fasteners (Carlos Sa)
14. 08:52 AM - Re: Inspection plate fasteners (RURUNY@aol.com)
15. 08:57 AM - Nylon ell (Jeffrey A Beachy)
16. 08:59 AM - Aiming A Landing Light (Chuck & Lana Maggart)
17. 09:04 AM - Re: control cable question (Chuck & Lana Maggart)
18. 09:12 AM - Re: Inspection plate fasteners (Bryan Martin)
19. 09:28 AM - Re: New workbench! (John Marzulli)
20. 09:38 AM - Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny (JOHN STARN)
21. 09:45 AM - Re: Inspection plate fasteners (RURUNY@aol.com)
22. 10:02 AM - Re: Inspection plate fasteners (JOHN STARN)
23. 10:19 AM - Re: Inspection plate fasteners (Paul Mulwitz)
24. 10:27 AM - Re: Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny (Flydog1966@aol.com)
25. 10:27 AM - Re: Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny (Flydog1966@aol.com)
26. 11:52 AM - Coolant 90 degree (Mark Sherman)
27. 12:58 PM - Re: Nylon ell (LarryMcFarland)
28. 01:00 PM - j nuts other uses (john butterfield)
29. 01:23 PM - Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny (Rick R)
30. 01:59 PM - Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny (John Marzulli)
31. 02:36 PM - Re: Landing lights (Terry Phillips)
32. 02:40 PM - Re: j nuts other uses (LarryMcFarland)
33. 03:28 PM - May be selling my Zodiac Tail Kit (Todd Osborne)
34. 03:33 PM - Re: j nuts other uses (Robin Bellach)
35. 03:50 PM - Re: May be selling my Zodiac Tail Kit (Ron Lalonde)
36. 03:51 PM - Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny (JOHN STARN)
37. 04:11 PM - Re: Landing lights (Carlos Sa)
38. 04:12 PM - Re: Nylon ell (Dave Austin)
39. 04:45 PM - defrost (Tim Juhl)
40. 05:22 PM - Re: j nuts other uses (LarryMcFarland)
41. 05:27 PM - 601XL fuel vents (Wade Jones)
42. 05:35 PM - Re: defrost (george may)
43. 06:40 PM - Building your Zenith CH701 - Rear Fuselage video (Robert Schoenberger)
44. 07:00 PM - Re: 601XL fuel vents (Ron Lendon)
45. 07:43 PM - Re: Re: 601XL fuel vents (Wade Jones)
46. 07:58 PM - Re: Re: 601XL fuel vents (Craig Payne)
47. 09:38 PM - Re: 601XL fuel vents (Ron Lendon)
48. 09:53 PM - Re: Building your Zenith CH701 - Rear Fuselage video (Ron Culver)
49. 10:04 PM - Aluminum siding brake (Dave and Pam Fisher)
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The old workbench was enough to get started (8x4), but larger projects
(wings) call for a larger bench (8x12).
It's been a while since I've had time to work on the project (thanks to the
office), so the getting the shop ready for the wings is a big deal.
I used the Zenith wing crate as a base frame and decided to continue using
MDF as the tabletop. The whole thing is as sturdy as can be, and flatter
than my old table.
There are pictures of the new bench and some pictures of the old bench on my
blog.
--
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
"Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot
harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny |
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| Subject: | Re: New workbench! |
John...
How in the world will you reach across a 8' wide bench?
Just a thought.....
no not archive
John Marzulli <john.marzulli@gmail.com> wrote:
The old workbench was enough to get started (8x4), but larger projects (wings)
call for a larger bench (8x12).
It's been a while since I've had time to work on the project (thanks to the office),
so the getting the shop ready for the wings is a big deal.
I used the Zenith wing crate as a base frame and decided to continue using MDF
as the tabletop. The whole thing is as sturdy as can be, and flatter than my old
table.
There are pictures of the new bench and some pictures of the old bench on my blog.
--
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
"
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| Subject: | Inspection plate fasteners |
May be a dumb question, but could somebody please tell me the trade name of the
fasteners found in the picture in the link below? They are basically nut-plates,
but I can't seem to find any at any of the aircraft tool distributors. Could
somebody give me a hint on where I can find these as well? Thanks in advance.
Ryan
http://www.mykitairplane.com/MyCH701/pages/022%20Elevator%20Access%20All%20Doubler%20Rivets.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection plate fasteners |
That's what they are, nut plates. Not a tool but a part. Wicks, ACS etc.
Aaron do not archive
>>> could somebody please tell me the trade name of the fasteners found in
>>> the picture in the link below? They are basically nut-plates, but I
>>> can't seem to find any at any of the aircraft tool distributors.
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny |
Zenith does directly with the 601. However skyhawg has a neat dual stick that
he came up with for his 701. More info can be found at:
http://www.skyhawg.com/sticks.html
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: dredmoody@cox.net
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: OFF TOPIC, but funny
Do they offer a dual stick option? Ed Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection plate fasteners |
They look like standard nut plates installed with solid rivets. They are available
thought ACS and I'd tell you the page but I don't have my catalog with me.
Also speaking of nut plates has anyone ever seen these?
http://www.textronfasteningsystems.com/pressroom/pr/RNP.html
brothapig(at)HOTMAIL.COM wrote:
> May be a dumb question, but could somebody please tell me the trade name of the
fasteners found in the picture in the link below? They are basically nut-plates,
but I can't seem to find any at any of the aircraft tool distributors.
Could somebody give me a hint on where I can find these as well? Thanks in advance.
>
> Ryan
>
> http://www.mykitairplane.com/MyCH701/pages/022%20Elevator%20Access%20All%20Doubler%20Rivets.htm
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82414#82414
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny |
I'm ambi-neitherous.
Ed Do Not Archive
---- Ron Lendon <rlendon@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> And the best part is it can be sold anywhere in the world. You could drive it
from either side. Hope you are Ambidextrous. :D
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection plate fasteners |
They look like floating nut plates..Look under "floating" in your catalog.
Terry Turnquist
601 XL-Plans
St. Peters, MO
Ryan Vechinski <brothapig@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
May be a dumb question, but could somebody please tell me the trade name of the
fasteners found in the picture in the link below? They are basically nut-plates,
but I can't seem to find any at any of the aircraft tool distributors. Could
somebody give me a hint on where I can find these as well? Thanks in advance.
Ryan
http://www.mykitairplane.com/MyCH701/pages/022%20Elevator%20Access%20All%20Doubler%20Rivets.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection plate fasteners |
Hard to tell for sure but my guess is that they are K1000-6 platenuts and are available
at AS. They could also be the floating version for which I can't recall
the number..... for that number look in the 601XL plans at the drawing for
the access panel in the front seat panels that allows access ot the spar bolts.
That area call out the floating platenuts.
If you use the K1000-6 platenuts, they work with #6-32 screws.
Ed Moody II
Rayne, LA
601XL
---- Ryan Vechinski <brothapig@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> May be a dumb question, but could somebody please tell me the trade name of the
fasteners found in the picture in the link below? They are basically nut-plates,
but I can't seem to find any at any of the aircraft tool distributors.
Could somebody give me a hint on where I can find these as well? Thanks in advance.
>
> Ryan
>
> http://www.mykitairplane.com/MyCH701/pages/022%20Elevator%20Access%20All%20Doubler%20Rivets.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection plate fasteners |
Those look really neat, but since suppliers like ACS don't carry them, they
probably will not fit the budget of the typical homebuilder. Even if
reasonable, the installation tool may break the bank.
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:18 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Inspection plate fasteners
>
> They look like standard nut plates installed with solid rivets. They are
> available thought ACS and I'd tell you the page but I don't have my
> catalog with me.
>
> Also speaking of nut plates has anyone ever seen these?
>
> http://www.textronfasteningsystems.com/pressroom/pr/RNP.html
>
>
> brothapig(at)HOTMAIL.COM wrote:
>> May be a dumb question, but could somebody please tell me the trade name
>> of the fasteners found in the picture in the link below? They are
>> basically nut-plates, but I can't seem to find any at any of the aircraft
>> tool distributors. Could somebody give me a hint on where I can find
>> these as well? Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> http://www.mykitairplane.com/MyCH701/pages/022%20Elevator%20Access%20All%20Doubler%20Rivets.htm
>
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82414#82414
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny |
Who cares what goes wrong. We (the young people) do not fix our
electronics. I'm sure that when the joystick breaks, we will just throw
away the car.
Michael in NH
(still feeling young at 33)
On 12/19/06, JOHN STARN <jhstarn@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Still off topic. Do Not Archive.
> Sounds like 16,000 more things to go wrong and need an expert to fix once
> the warrantee is up. Just brought a '67 Dodge Charger to the hanger for some
> TLC, now I know I can work on this one. KABONG
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* ZodieRocket <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, December 18, 2006 8:28 PM
> *Subject:* Zenith-List: OFF TOPIC, but funny
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection plate fasteners |
...and what is the difference between floating and non-floating nutplates?
For now, do not archive
Carlos
On 19/12/06, dredmoody@cox.net <dredmoody@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hard to tell for sure but my guess is that they are K1000-6 platenuts and
> are available at AS. They could also be the floating version for which I
> can't recall the number..... for that number look in the 601XL plans at the
> drawing for the access panel in the front seat panels that allows access ot
> the spar bolts. That area call out the floating platenuts.
>
> If you use the K1000-6 platenuts, they work with #6-32 screws.
>
> Ed Moody II
> Rayne, LA
> 601XL
>
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection plate fasteners |
Ryan,
Go to _http://www.ddaircraft.com/_ (http://www.ddaircraft.com/) and selec
t
the catalog button. Scroll down a bit till you get to
Nutplates.
Look for :
TWO LUG NUTPLATE, MS21047, 450=B0, MOLYBDENUM DRY LUBE
You will see they come in 6/32, 8/32, 10/32 I have used mostly 8/32 for
access panels and anything I felt
needed to be removed. I have only used the floating type in the 10/32 size
for the large access panel on the
bottom of my 701.
You will use:
MACHINE SCREW, PHILLIPS, TRUSS HEAD (AN526C STAINLESS)
in the proper size and length. I used 1/2" on access panels but used 3/8" o
n
my fuel sender access panels.
Solid rivets used here are: MS20426AD3-3 3/32 x3/16 100 deg flush head
If you have riveted closed your elevator and can't get a rivet squeezer in
there, use pulled nutplate rivet:
CCR264SS-3-04 3/32 x .188-.250 Nutplate rivet 100 deg flush hd.
I have ordered all my hardware from D&D mainly because if you have
questions, the guy is very helpful
and knows what he's talking about. Delivery is very quick also. If you are
just starting your project, I
would recommend buying 25 or more of each as you will find many, and I mean
many uses if you want
to make your project maintenance friendly.
Brian
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I installed a nylon 90 degree ell in my coolant system. It is installed
very near the cooling system expansion tank (with the radiator cap) on
top of the engine. I am checking to be sure that the engine temperatures
will not compromise the nylon ell in this location. Anyone?
Thanks!
Jeff Beachy
CH701, 85%
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| Subject: | Aiming A Landing Light |
While on the subject of landing lights, does anyone have a method to aim
a landing light other than trial and error?
Chuck Maggart, 601XL/Jabiru, painted
Hazelwood, Mo.
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| Subject: | Re: control cable question |
Ken, I left the upper turnbuckle attached to the stick and put the lower
turnbuckle near the belly access door. An alternative is to attach at
least one of the center console sides with platenuts and bolts.
Chuck Maggart, 601XL/Jabiru, painted
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection plate fasteners |
With a non-floating nutplate, the nut is rigidly attached to the
plate, so proper alignment is critical during installation. Usually,
a slightly oversize hole is used in the cover plate to allow some
tolerance to align the screw with the nut.
With a floating nutplate, the nut is held in the plate in such a
way that it can move around a bit to self-align with the fastener.
With these, the holes in the cover plate can be just big enough to
allow insertion of the screw and the tolerance for alignment is built
into the nutplate.
By the way, the ACS catalog calls these fasteners "anchor nuts" or
"floating anchor nuts" and there are several different styles. Look
under "nuts" in the index.
> ...and what is the difference between floating and non-floating
> nutplates?
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Re: New workbench! |
Whoops... the new bench is 4x12, NOT 8x12. I need to stop typing at
midnight.
On 12/19/06, Rick R <n701rr@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> John...
>
> How in the world will you reach across a 8' wide bench?
>
> Just a thought.....
>
> no not archive
>
> *John Marzulli <john.marzulli@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> The old workbench was enough to get started (8x4), but larger projects
> (wings) call for a larger bench (8x12).
>
> It's been a while since I've had time to work on the project (thanks to
> the office), so the getting the shop ready for the wings is a big deal.
>
> I used the Zenith wing crate as a base frame and decided to continue using
> MDF as the tabletop. The whole thing is as sturdy as can be, and flatter
> than my old table.
>
> There are pictures of the new bench and some pictures of the old bench on
> my blog.
>
> --
> John Marzulli
> http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ <http://701builder.blogspot.com/>
>
> "
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
"Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot
harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny |
Yep....that's great as long as the car isn't going 70MPH around a curve
in the mountains with you in it when it breaks and the "drive by wire"
car becomes a flying projectile. Then Ya'll may have second
thoughts....but ya better have them quick.
Do Not Archive KABONG 8*)
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Valentine
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: OFF TOPIC, but funny
Who cares what goes wrong. We (the young people) do not fix our
electronics. I'm sure that when the joystick breaks, we will just throw
away the car.
Michael in NH
(still feeling young at 33)
On 12/19/06, JOHN STARN <jhstarn@verizon.net> wrote:
Still off topic. Do Not Archive.
Sounds like 16,000 more things to go wrong and need an expert to fix
once the warrantee is up. Just brought a '67 Dodge Charger to the hanger
for some TLC, now I know I can work on this one. KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: ZodieRocket
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 8:28 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: OFF TOPIC, but funny
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection plate fasteners |
Ryan,
Also look at these mini nutplates, from your picture the rivets look very
close together. Its harder to squeeze
these as the squeezer dies get caught up on the nut part of the plate but
its doable. Its a good choice though for this access panel on the elevator.
TWO LUG NUTPLATE, REDUCED RIVET SPACING, MS21069 (NAS697)
Brian
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection plate fasteners |
Non-floating are one solid piece & tapped to size. Floating ones have a
captured free movement (very small movement) nut. "Floating" allows for
realignment of the nut/screw if the two pieces being attached are
slightly off. KABONG Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos Sa
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Inspection plate fasteners
...and what is the difference between floating and non-floating
nutplates?
For now, do not archive
Carlos
On 19/12/06, dredmoody@cox.net <dredmoody@cox.net> wrote:
Hard to tell for sure but my guess is that they are K1000-6
platenuts and
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection plate fasteners |
>
Hi Carlos,
Floating nut plates have two parts. The part with the inside threads
can move around a little so the screw can align itself easily. The
threaded part "Floats" around. A non floating nut plate has just one
part which has a fixed position for the threads compared to the
mounting holes.
>...and what is the difference between floating and non-floating nutplates?
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny |
Has anyone tried it with VG's, and the slats removed yet ? Oh,and the
interior is way too fancy for a Chris Heintz design ; )
please do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny |
Has anyone tried it with VG's, and the slats removed yet ? Oh,and the
interior is way too fancy for a Chris Heintz design ; )
please do not archive
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| Subject: | Coolant 90 degree |
Jeff Beachy.=0A =0AI made one from aluminum because of the heat considerati
on and that is also where I get my true water temp. and not the combo CHT/W
ater temp. that Rotax gives you. See picture below.=0A =0AMark S.=0A701/91
2S=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A_______________________________________________
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Jeff,
Without going specific on nylon types, you should be o.k. if temps don't
get above 300 deg F.
Plastics give out at between 300 and 350 degrees and continue to change
dimension or
"flow" at a little less, especially interesting where clamps are used.
Radiators having plastic top and bottom
tanks like the Rabbit diesel radiator seem to get along well at high
coolant temps of 250 degrees or so.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Jeffrey A Beachy wrote:
>
> I installed a nylon 90 degree ell in my coolant system. It is installed
> very near the cooling system expansion tank (with the radiator cap) on
> top of the engine. I am checking to be sure that the engine temperatures
> will not compromise the nylon ell in this location. Anyone?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeff Beachy
> CH701, 85%
>
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| Subject: | j nuts other uses |
hi list
i used larry McFarland's recommendations for the
forward top skin and could not be happier. thanks for
that info
now i am looking over the plans and find that the j
nut method of securing panels and other things seems
like a good alternative
i can think of several places to use them, the arm
rest, inspections plates, ect. my question is where
have you people used them on the aircraft. I know
that i will miss some obvious areas, but any ideas
would be good. also, is there a downside to using
j-nuts to fasten metal together
regards
john butterfield
601XL corvair
torrance, ca
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny |
Look in that driver's side door pocket...is that green Scotchbrite???
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JOHN STARN <jhstarn@verizon.net> wrote:
Yep....that's great as long as the car isn't going 70MPH around a curve
in the mountains with you in it when it breaks and the "drive by wire" car
becomes a flying projectile. Then Ya'll may have second thoughts....but ya better
have them quick.
Do Not Archive KABONG 8*)
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny |
Actually this is a concept car, and not intended for production.
On 12/18/06, Edward Moody II <dredmoody@cox.net > wrote:
>
> Do they offer a dual stick option?
>
> Ed
> Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Landing lights |
Interesting stuff, Carlos. Rather than reply based on my limited knowledge,
I forwarded your message to CreativAir, and the following is Bill's reply:
Hey Terry...
HID technologies have changes a lot in the past few years, and although
some of what was said below it true, its not all that hard to safely
wig-wag HIDs anymore...
It sounds like Carlos is using an older electro-mechanical flasher to
wig-wag his lights, and if that's the case then what he is saying is correct...
My wig-wag flasher was designed for HIDs and just happens to work for
halogens as well... It has a 30 second warm-up time (about 6 times more
than needed) and a 1 second flash rate (on for a second, off for a second,
which is about double what is needed for the HID I sell) to let the lamp
warm-up and flash without significant life reduction.....most likely no
life reduction in the lamp at all... Additionally, my flasher is all solid
state and has its own power and ground supplies so it does not rely on what
is connected to it to make the flash happen...
One more thing... Not all HID are the same... Ballasts and lamps are
designed and built differently and not all can be flashed.....it just
depends on the technology used (whether is older or newer)...
Hope this helps!
-Bill
I do not yet have personal experience with CreativAir's HID lights, but,
somewhere down the road (just how long does it take to build a 601?) I will
have and I will post my personal results using his HID's and wig-wag
flasher. Meanwhile, I do not intend to start a controversy. Let's just say
that there may well be ways to wig-wag HID lights w/o seriously damaging them.
Terry
At 10:01 PM 12/18/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>Interesting. I did some additional searches, and found several msgs on the
>subject.
>
>This one is from the RV10 list:
>
>Message: #7801
>Subject:
><http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=13945576?KEYS=hid_&_wig?LISTNAME=RV10?HITNUMBER=5?SERIAL=18324116432?SHOWBUTTONS=NO>WIG-WAG
>HIDS
>Date: Sep 26, 2006
>From: "Neville Boyle" <nevilleboyle(at)bencomm.com.au>
>If you are prepared to potentially sacrifice some bulb light it is
>possible to WIG-WAG the HID Xenon globes.You need to be aware that the
>globes have a warm up time while the gas is ionising and they need to warm
>fully to burn the deposit left while warming up off the glass (this means
>the flash rate needs to be longer than 3 seconds per side) The second
>problem is that most of the commercial flash units rely on a low impedance
>through the filament of the traditional globe that does not exist with the
>xenon alternative.On my plane I increased the capacitor size to slow the
>flash rate and provided a additional earth in stead of the traditional
>path through the globe filament Neville Boyle VH-NVL 33 hours
>
>So apparently it can be done, but there may me trade-offs.
>
>
>Happy building
>
>Carlos
>CH601-HD, plans
>Montreal, Canada
>
>
>On 18/12/06, Terry Phillips <<mailto:ttp44@rkymtn.net>ttp44@rkymtn.net> wrote:
>><<mailto:ttp44@rkymtn.net>ttp44@rkymtn.net>
>>
>>I didn't see the previous postings about wig-wagging HID's, but, if HID
>>lights cannot be wig-waged, that is going to be a major disappointment to
>>Bill at CreativAir
>>
>><http://www.creativair.com/wigwag-flashers-kits-c-24.html>http://www.creativair.com/wigwag-flashers-kits-c-24.html
>>
>>since he sells a wig-wag flasher expressly for HID and Halogen lights.
>>
>>I'm planning to use both his 2" HID light kit and his wig-wag flasher in my
>>601.
>>
>>Terry
>
>Terry Phillips
>ttp44~~at~~rkymtn.net
>Corvallis MT
>Just starting a 601 kit
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| Subject: | Re: j nuts other uses |
John,
In recommending these, I should take some responsibility for answering
this. J-nuts and U-nuts are great for surface assemblies, but they are
not intended for places where shear is a major factor. I have used them
on the forward top skin, the wing joint covers, wheel fairing halves,
center console, the front edge of inspection plates held by a spider
spring on the leading half of the lower wing and a cosmetic fiberglass
tail saddle. They work really very well in each of these cases. There
are probably a few more.
Id not recommend them for carburetor ducts on the engine, air ducting
for engine cylinders, for holding the center bolt on a spider-held
inspection plate, attaching hangar-bolts for wheel fairings or any place
where they encounter the direct pulse of a vibrating exhaust, prop
spinner or part that depends upon movement or absolute safety of
connection such as a control linkage. I'd also not use them in a
permanent assembly like rivets that was not accessible in the completed
aircraft. Nut plates are much better where tension and shear have to
hold wheel fairings to a fork-hanger, etc and all of these things should
be considered when selecting hardware.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
john butterfield wrote:
>
> hi list
> i used larry McFarland's recommendations for the
> forward top skin and could not be happier. thanks for
> that info
>
> now i am looking over the plans and find that the j
> nut method of securing panels and other things seems
> like a good alternative
>
> i can think of several places to use them, the arm
> rest, inspections plates, ect. my question is where
> have you people used them on the aircraft. I know
> that i will miss some obvious areas, but any ideas
> would be good. also, is there a downside to using
> j-nuts to fasten metal together
> regards
> john butterfield
> 601XL corvair
> torrance, ca
>
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| Subject: | May be selling my Zodiac Tail Kit |
A combination of my instrument rating and life's little expenses has forced me
to consider selling my Zodiac XL tail kit and related stuff. If you are interested,
please contact me off list. Here is what I have:
Tail kit (Rudder and Elevator Complete), Horizontal stabilizer at 90%.
Electric Elevator Trim System
Full set of updated plans/manual
Several hundred cleco's of various sizes
3 riveters, 2 manual, one pneumatic
Various sheet metal tools
4'x8' Sturdy bench (Made into 2 4'x'4 sections)
Form blocks for tail, wing, etc.
Various spare (extra) parts, like rudder control horn
I am located just outside of Madison, WI. If you are nearby, and a CFI, I may be
interested in swapping these items in exchange for dual instruction towards
my commercial/CFI ratings.
Todd Osborne
E-Mail: todd@toddtown.com
Web: www.toddtown.com
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| Subject: | Re: j nuts other uses |
For you guys that know about these things, what would be the advantage of
J-nuts over U-nuts, or in what sort of application would one be preferable
over the other?
Robin in AR
N601ZV
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: j nuts other uses
>
> John,
>
> In recommending these, I should take some responsibility for answering
> this. J-nuts and U-nuts are great for surface assemblies, but they are not
> intended for places where shear is a major factor. I have used them on the
> forward top skin, the wing joint covers, wheel fairing halves, center
> console, the front edge of inspection plates held by a spider spring on
> the leading half of the lower wing and a cosmetic fiberglass tail saddle.
> They work really very well in each of these cases. There are probably a
> few more.
>
> Id not recommend them for carburetor ducts on the engine, air ducting for
> engine cylinders, for holding the center bolt on a spider-held inspection
> plate, attaching hangar-bolts for wheel fairings or any place where they
> encounter the direct pulse of a vibrating exhaust, prop spinner or part
> that depends upon movement or absolute safety of connection such as a
> control linkage. I'd also not use them in a permanent assembly like rivets
> that was not accessible in the completed aircraft. Nut plates are much
> better where tension and shear have to hold wheel fairings to a
> fork-hanger, etc and all of these things should be considered when
> selecting hardware.
>
> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
>>
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| Subject: | May be selling my Zodiac Tail Kit |
Hi Todd
Clecos would be nice too!!! Guess you can never have enough clecos...LOL
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC, but funny |
AHH HAA...I knew the Germans were up to something, there is no "drivers
side". They only have to build one car for use everywhere, left
side--right side...all the same. KABONG Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick R
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: OFF TOPIC, but funny
Look in that driver's side door pocket...is that green Scotchbrite???
do not archive
JOHN STARN <jhstarn@verizon.net> wrote:
Yep....that's great as long as the car isn't going 70MPH around a
curve in the mountains with you in it when it breaks and the "drive by
wire" car becomes a flying projectile. Then Ya'll may have second
thoughts....but ya better have them quick.
Do Not Archive KABONG 8*)
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| Subject: | Re: Landing lights |
That's good information, Terry.
Thanks for going after it.
PS: I haven't decided on which type of lights to use, but HID is back on the
list as a viable option. LEDs aren't there yet, but Audi and Lexus will have
LED based headlights in 2007...
http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/news/06/0412.html
http://wheeltalk.fancal.net/?p=844
Carlos
do not archive
On 19/12/06, Terry Phillips <ttp44@rkymtn.net> wrote:
>
> Interesting stuff, Carlos. Rather than reply based on my limited
> knowledge, I forwarded your message to CreativAir, and the following is
> Bill's reply:
>
> Hey Terry...
>
> HID technologies have changes a lot in the past few years, and although
> some of what was said below it true, its not all that hard to safely wig-wag
> HIDs anymore...
>
>
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I've had a swimming pool nylon "L" in my cooling system for 13 years. It
does not seem to have deteriorated at all.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
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This question is for those of you building XL's in the northern climes. Assuming
you installed cabin heat, did you also install any kind of forward canopy defogger?
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: j nuts other uses |
Robin,
The sides of the u-nuts are full length and the non-thread engaging side
is bent up at the tip to make it easier to slip onto an aluminum edge.
J-nuts are made with the non-thread side cut off at center of the hole.
They both have a small edge spur that clips into the hole to retain
position. They both will self-center a little bit as do nut-plates to
ease engaging the thread with the fastener. The J-nut is preferable if
the fastener is to be attached at an edge where the mating sheet will
overlap, close down over the fasteners and not be visible, something
like the sides of the forward top skin. The J-nut is selected for a
slightly shorter edge-to-hole distance to assist with the flush fit. The
u-nut has full-length sides that engage a flange edge easier which makes
them preferable for simple assembly. Functionally, they do the same
thing and u-nuts are selected edge-to-hole for mid-flange position holes
as might be already drilled or punched for rivets. This makes it easy
to convert from rivets to j-nuts or u-nuts as needed in a panel like the
forward top skin.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/uclips.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/canopy/full/flash&rubber.gif
As you can see in the above links, both types were used as described above.
If anyone has difficulty finding these, I've several boxes of both types
and will part with them
at their basic cost plus pkg and mailing.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Robin Bellach wrote:
>
> For you guys that know about these things, what would be the advantage
> of J-nuts over U-nuts, or in what sort of application would one be
> preferable over the other?
> Robin in AR
> N601ZV
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| Subject: | 601XL fuel vents |
Hello group ,I have searched the archives and found nothing pertaining
to the fuel vents .I am plans building and am having problems
determining where the vent line ties into the fuel tank .Could someone
give some help in this area . Thanks, Wade
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Tim--
I'm in New Hampshire so heat was mandatory for winter flying. I
installed 2 small muffin fans for circulation. A small 4'' one in the top
of the instrument panel and a 6'' one at the back of the baggage area. They
have worked well so far, however, haven't had any serious defogging needs
yet.
George May
601XL 912s 29 hours
>From: "Tim Juhl" <juhl@avci.net>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: defrost
>Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:42:55 -0800
>
>
>This question is for those of you building XL's in the northern climes.
>Assuming you installed cabin heat, did you also install any kind of forward
>canopy defogger?
>
>Tim
>
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>Champ L16A flying
>Zodiac XL - Working on wings
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82545#82545
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| Subject: | Building your Zenith CH701 - Rear Fuselage video |
List . . . although I'm well along toward completion of my 701 rear
fuselage, I bought Jon Croke's latest DVD (HomebuiltHELP.com), "Building
your Zenith CH701 - Rear Fuselage" to check out if I've missed
anything. All I can say, this is a superior instruction video, and
anyone contemplating building a 701 should absolutely have this
important aid. I wish I had had it at the start as it would have saved
many hours (20 or 30 at least) of construction time and frustration with
interpreting the plans. The section about what not to rivet because of
future mating of the forward section was particularly helpful. Buy it -
you won't be sorry. Robert Schoenberger 701
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL fuel vents |
I just made them up the other day from the dimensions on 6-K-1. Final trimming,
40mm sticking out of the bottom was saved to last. I kept the pipe perpendicular
along the tank to make setup easier.
I don't have the prints with me but if you have more questions, just ask.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL fuel vents |
Ron ,I have checked 6-K-1 and have all the dimensions ,however I must be
missing something .I do not know where it ties into the tank .I do not have
room to tie into the filler neck .Does it tie into the top of the end or
does it tie into the top of the tank ,does it tie into a welded fitting
somewhere . Wade
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:59 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL fuel vents
>
> I just made them up the other day from the dimensions on 6-K-1. Final
> trimming, 40mm sticking out of the bottom was saved to last. I kept the
> pipe perpendicular along the tank to make setup easier.
>
> I don't have the prints with me but if you have more questions, just ask.
>
> --------
> Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
> Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
> http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82565#82565
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL fuel vents |
I believe it doesn't really tie in anywhere. The upper end of the pipe has a
slight bevel to it and tucks into the upper corner of the tank. The
cross-section view of the tank shows this (poorly). I suspect the vent tube
may be tack welded to the wall of the tank in that upper corner.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL fuel vents |
I have mine out being welded. I will talk to the guy and see if he will allow
pictures of the process. Tacking it to the top of the tank is something I didn't
think about but will mention it to the weldor.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: Building your Zenith CH701 - Rear Fuselage video |
I just reviewed my copy and Robert is absolutely right on. Even though I am
scratch building except for parts making this video is going to save me
time, mistakes and aggravation. Jon has done it again.Fine job ... well
worth the price ..
Ron Culver
701 Scratch builder..
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:39 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Building your Zenith CH701 - Rear Fuselage video
> <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
>
> List . . . although I'm well along toward completion of my 701 rear
> fuselage, I bought Jon Croke's latest DVD (HomebuiltHELP.com), "Building
> your Zenith CH701 - Rear Fuselage" to check out if I've missed anything.
> All I can say, this is a superior instruction video, and anyone
> contemplating building a 701 should absolutely have this important aid. I
> wish I had had it at the start as it would have saved many hours (20 or 30
> at least) of construction time and frustration with interpreting the
> plans. The section about what not to rivet because of future mating of the
> forward section was particularly helpful. Buy it - you won't be sorry.
> Robert Schoenberger 701
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Aluminum siding brake |
>
>aluminum siding brake. MY PROBLEM is holding a LONG piece of .025 (or
>thicker) with sufficient force to keep it from slipping....
Hi list,
I supplement the clamping on my siding brake with half a dozen " C " type
Vise Grips - works OK. A heavier brake would work better.
Dave, 701 with A 80 -8 Continental
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