---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/20/06: 42 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:01 AM - Building your Zenith CH701 - Rear Fuselage video (Rick R) 2. 04:19 AM - Video Cameras?? (JG) 3. 04:33 AM - Re: 601XL fuel vents (Trainnut01@aol.com) 4. 05:38 AM - Re: 601XL fuel vents (Wade Jones) 5. 05:41 AM - Re: Re: 601XL fuel vents (Wade Jones) 6. 06:54 AM - Re: control cable question (deglass1) 7. 07:05 AM - Re: 601XL fuel vents (LarryMcFarland) 8. 07:44 AM - Re: control cable question (Gig Giacona) 9. 08:06 AM - Re: Re: 601XL fuel vents (Carlos Sa) 10. 08:06 AM - Re: Video Cameras?? (billmileski) 11. 08:15 AM - Re: Re: control cable question (David Downey) 12. 08:37 AM - Labels and More (Tommy Walker) 13. 08:52 AM - Re: Labels and More (billbutlergps@aim.com) 14. 09:21 AM - Re: Re: control cable question (Josh Olson) 15. 09:26 AM - Re: Labels and More (Craig Payne) 16. 09:29 AM - Re: 601XL fuel vents (Wade Jones) 17. 09:34 AM - Re: Video Cameras?? (Craig Payne) 18. 09:38 AM - Re: Re: control cable question and Elevator sensitivity (T. Graziano) 19. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: 601XL fuel vents (Wade Jones) 20. 09:41 AM - Re:Labels and more (MaxNr@aol.com) 21. 09:55 AM - Re: Labels and More () 22. 10:43 AM - Re: Video Cameras?? (Ron Culver) 23. 11:02 AM - Re: Video Cameras?? (Ron Culver) 24. 12:23 PM - corvair motor mount (Russell J.) 25. 12:30 PM - Re: Re: Video Cameras?? (Hugh Roberts) 26. 12:59 PM - Re: Video Cameras?? (JG) 27. 01:03 PM - Re: Re: Inspection plate fasteners (Peter Franke) 28. 01:04 PM - Re: Video Cameras?? (george may) 29. 01:07 PM - Re: corvair motor mount (LarryMcFarland) 30. 01:19 PM - Re: corvair motor mount (Craig Payne) 31. 01:48 PM - Re: Video Cameras?? (Ron Culver) 32. 01:52 PM - Re: Video Cameras?? (Ron Culver) 33. 02:35 PM - Re: Video Cameras?? (Tim Juhl) 34. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: Video Cameras?? (JG) 35. 03:19 PM - Re: Video Cameras?? (Tim Juhl) 36. 04:00 PM - Building flaperons (Neitzel) 37. 04:00 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: Removing 701 Slats, etc. (John M. Goodings) 38. 04:37 PM - Re: Labels and More (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 39. 09:00 PM - Re: Labels and More (Les Goldner) 40. 10:12 PM - Re: 601XL fuel vents (Ron Lendon) 41. 10:31 PM - Aileron end rod washers (Chris sinfield) 42. 11:49 PM - Re: Aileron end rod washers (Bryan Martin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:01:56 AM PST US From: Rick R Subject: Zenith-List: Building your Zenith CH701 - Rear Fuselage video I agree with Robert 100%. Thumbs up to Jon and his crack videography staff! A must have for a 701 builder! do not archive Robert Schoenberger wrote: --------------------------------- List . . . although I'm well along toward completion of my 701 rear fuselage, I bought Jon Croke's latest DVD (HomebuiltHELP.com), "Building your Zenith CH701 - Rear Fuselage" to check out if I've missed anything. All I can say, this is a superior instruction video, and anyone contemplating building a 701 should absolutely have this important aid. I wish I had had it at the start as it would have saved many hours (20 or 30 at least) of construction time and frustration with interpreting the plans. The section about what not to rivet because of future mating of the forward section was particularly helpful. Buy it - you won't be sorry. Robert Schoenberger 701 Rick Sharpsburg, GA. USA http://www.n701rr.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:34 AM PST US From: "JG" Subject: Zenith-List: Video Cameras?? Gday, Does anyone have experience with digital video cameras that may help..... I want to video take-offs and landings, then analyse frame by frame to determine angle of attack and speed. The older analog ones didn't have enough clarity in single frames, but I understand the digital ones are much better that way..... Also want to use it for tuft-testing, and that means being able to hook up to a remote camera. It seems that most of the lower end DV cameras don't have such an input. Does anyone know of one that is capable in this regard?? There are still some questions posed on the list regarding Slats v/s VGs that I need to answer, but I'll leave all that until after all the distractions of this holiday season...... Wishing everyone a Merry Christmas, and fair skies and tailwinds always..... JG ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:22 AM PST US From: Trainnut01@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL fuel vents Wade I modified a pair of long range tanks from ZAC. Gave me a chance to look inside. The vent tube is not attached at the top at all. It is beveled on the top end and is positioned with the end about a 1/4 inch from the top outboard corner of the tank. My modified tanks did not work out real well so I made a new set with carbon fiber. I am attaching a photo of one of my new tanks during construction. You can kind of see the vent tube location. The CF tanks have tested well but aren't flying yet. Carroll Jernigan 601XL ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:01 AM PST US From: "Wade Jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL fuel vents Thanks Carroll ,I was misreading the prints ,I was not aware that the vent tube was internal . Thanks, Wade ----- Original Message ----- From: Trainnut01@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 6:32 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL fuel vents Wade I modified a pair of long range tanks from ZAC. Gave me a chance to look inside. The vent tube is not attached at the top at all. It is beveled on the top end and is positioned with the end about a 1/4 inch from the top outboard corner of the tank. My modified tanks did not work out real well so I made a new set with carbon fiber. I am attaching a photo of one of my new tanks during construction. You can kind of see the vent tube location. The CF tanks have tested well but aren't flying yet. Carroll Jernigan 601XL ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:27 AM PST US From: "Wade Jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL fuel vents Thanks Craig ,I now have a clear picture of what is needed . Thanks ,Wade Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Payne" Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:58 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL fuel vents > > I believe it doesn't really tie in anywhere. The upper end of the pipe has > a > slight bevel to it and tucks into the upper corner of the tank. The > cross-section view of the tank shows this (poorly). I suspect the vent > tube > may be tack welded to the wall of the tank in that upper corner. > > -- Craig > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:45 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: control cable question From: "deglass1" Does anyone know of a device that would desensitize the XL elevator motion around neutral, akin to the exponential function on radio control transmitters? Flying in the Zenith demo, it seemed that for gradual-to-moderate turns much more stick deflection was needed for ailerons than elevator while holding altitude in the turn, and slight stick adjustments made for big pitch changes. For those who fly XLs and other light planes, is this a big deal, and would there be a benefit in smoother flying with an elevator that had less deflection relative to the control stick around neutral, then catching up for full surface deflection at full stick? Thanks for your inputs -------- David Glass Forest, VA Zodiac XL - N253DG reserved On the gear, ready for tail and cables 12/06 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82630#82630 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:48 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL fuel vents Wade, For the wing tanks, any high point in the tank will do. I put the vent ends below the bottom wing surface by an inch. For the header tank, I vented next to the incoming line near the top of the tank and routed a tube to the right wing a few feet out and curved the tip hanging below directly into the air stream to prevent siphoning and keep the fumes from being close to the exhaust on the left side. Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Wade Jones wrote: > Hello group ,I have searched the archives and found nothing pertaining > to the fuel vents .I am plans building and am having problems > determining where the vent line ties into the fuel tank .Could someone > give some help in this area . Thanks, Wade > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:11 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: control cable question From: "Gig Giacona" It is a lot less noticeable in the dual stick version. This is probably because of the stick position rather than any real change. deglass1 wrote: > Does anyone know of a device that would desensitize the XL elevator motion around neutral, akin to the exponential function on radio control transmitters? Flying in the Zenith demo, it seemed that for gradual-to-moderate turns much more stick deflection was needed for ailerons than elevator while holding altitude in the turn, and slight stick adjustments made for big pitch changes. > For those who fly XLs and other light planes, is this a big deal, and would there be a benefit in smoother flying with an elevator that had less deflection relative to the control stick around neutral, then catching up for full surface deflection at full stick? > Thanks for your inputs -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82641#82641 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:07 AM PST US From: "Carlos Sa" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL fuel vents This is my experience making an -HD tank, but maybe you can use the idea. I wrapped a piece of aluminum at the top of the tube, and riveted that piece with the tank's side. See attached picture - I have higher resolution, (~700 KB). Let me know if interested and I'll send privately. Carlos CH601-HD, plans On 20/12/06, Ron Lendon wrote: > > > I have mine out being welded. I will talk to the guy and see if he will > allow pictures of the process. Tacking it to the top of the tank is > something I didn't think about but will mention it to the weldor. > > -------- > Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI > Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) > http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82585#82585 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:23 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Video Cameras?? From: "billmileski" There is a new crop of digital camcorders that shoot 30 progressive frames per second instead of (or in addition to) 60 interlace fields per sec (that are separated in time by 1/60th sec). I have been considering the Canon Elura. I have had experience with the small NTSC color cameras (interlaced) that are easy to put out on a wing tip.. but I don't know how a remote camera could be inexpensively done with progressive scan, without putting the whole camcorder outside the cockpit somehow. There may be a creative solution for a small remote progressive camera. This probably doesn't help you too much.. Bill Mileski Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82646#82646 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:42 AM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: control cable question I suspect that CH probably intended it that way. He certainly designed the ailerons and flaps thicker than the wing to accentuate the response rate. Elevators that are blanked by the stab tend to have a dead zone around neutral but once active they still are at the same rate. Does anyone know of a device that would desensitize the XL elevator motion around neutral, akin to the exponential function on radio control transmitters? Flying in the Zenith demo, it seemed that for gradual-to-moderate turns much more stick deflection was needed for ailerons than elevator while holding altitude in the turn, and slight stick adjustments made for big pitch changes. For those who fly XLs and other light planes, is this a big deal, and would there be a benefit in smoother flying with an elevator that had less deflection relative to the control stick around neutral, then catching up for full surface deflection at full stick? Thanks for your inputs -------- David Glass Forest, VA Zodiac XL - N253DG reserved On the gear, ready for tail and cables 12/06 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82630#82630 Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:59 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Labels and More From: "Tommy Walker" Listers, I'm wanting to buy some labels for my panel and thought someone could point me to the right place. Here's what I think I want: White print on a clear stick-on label. I prefer that it not be a water-based ink for durability. Is there anyone out there who produces such a product? Thanks, Tommy Walker in Alabama OK to Archive -------- Tommy Walker Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82654#82654 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:01 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Labels and More From: billbutlergps@aim.com Take a look at those handheld label makers. They have many different fonts as well as sizes. -----Original Message----- From: twalker@cableone.net To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:36 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Labels and More Listers, I'm wanting to buy some labels for my panel and thought someone could point me to the right place. Here's what I think I want: White print on a clear stick-on label. I prefer that it not be a water-based ink for durability. Is there anyone out there who produces such a product? Thanks, Tommy Walker in Alabama OK to Archive -------- Tommy Walker Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82654#82654 ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:21 AM PST US From: Josh Olson Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: control cable question On the Flight Design CTSW 2006 they have springs attached to the yoke to make it less sensitive and feel more like a Cessna or larger plane... Night and day difference from the 2005 CTSW. It works great for that model... Not sure what people think for the Zodiac -----Original Message----- From: "deglass1" Sent: 12/20/06 8:52 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: control cable question Does anyone know of a device that would desensitize the XL elevator motion around neutral, akin to the exponential function on radio control transmitters? Flying in the Zenith demo, it seemed that for gradual-to-moderate turns much more stick deflection was needed for ailerons than elevator while holding altitude in the turn, and slight stick adjustments made for big pitch changes. For those who fly XLs and other light planes, is this a big deal, and would there be a benefit in smoother flying with an elevator that had less deflection relative to the control stick around neutral, then catching up for full surface deflection at full stick? Thanks for your inputs -------- David Glass Forest, VA Zodiac XL - N253DG reserved On the gear, ready for tail and cables 12/06 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82630#82630 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:29 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Labels and More >> white on clear Looks like these tapes will do what you want in a Brother P-touch label maker: TZ135 (1/2"), TZ145 (3/4"), TZS155 (1", extra strength adhesive) -- Craig ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:29:01 AM PST US From: "Wade Jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL fuel vents Thanks Larry ,I have received some good info per my request .I think I now have it under control .I have been improving my Aluminum welding skills ,however while I was at a local sheet metal shop I saw some good Al welding .The quality was much better than I could ever acquire .The owner of the shop gave me a quote of $75.00 to $100.00 for welding both tanks including the fittings and bead rolling . I have not got the tanks back yet ,hope the shop can do this job at that price . Thanks again , Wade Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryMcFarland" Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:04 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL fuel vents > > Wade, > For the wing tanks, any high point in the tank will do. I put the vent > ends below the bottom wing surface by an inch. For the header tank, I > vented next to the incoming line near the top of the tank and routed a > tube to the right wing a few feet out and curved the tip hanging below > directly into the air stream to prevent siphoning and keep the fumes from > being close to the exhaust on the left side. > > Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > > Wade Jones wrote: >> Hello group ,I have searched the archives and found nothing pertaining to >> the fuel vents .I am plans building and am having problems determining >> where the vent line ties into the fuel tank .Could someone give some help >> in this area . Thanks, Wade >> * >> >> >> * > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:06 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Video Cameras?? I recently had to select a video camera and bought a digital still camera. Depending on the resolution and frame rate a Canon SD800 with a 4 gigabyte SDHC type memory card will shoot 30-172 minutes of video. At 640 by 480 pixels and 30 frames per second you can get 30 minutes and the clarity is outstanding. My tests indicate that a charged battery will last well over a hour while shooting a movie. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:20 AM PST US From: "T. Graziano" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Re: control cable question and Elevator sensitivity The elevator input is sensitive relative to the ailerons, which are " heavy", at least on my XL. This is no big deal, in my opinion. The elevator sensitivity is easy to get used to. I have dual sticks, which may provide a little less elevator travel than the Y stick per measured deflection of input, but I am not sure. I would have to go to the dwgs and check the geometry. I first flew it on its maiden flight with no control difficulty or concerns. Anyone who can fly a Cessna or Piper type trainer should have no trouble with flying the XL. My XL is really a fun to fly airplane. Tony Graziano Buchanan, Tn N493TG ; 186 hrs --- I suspect that CH probably intended it that way. He certainly designed the ailerons and flaps thicker than the wing to accentuate the response rate. Elevators that are blanked by the stab tend to have a dead zone around neutral but once active they still are at the same rate. --- Does anyone know of a device that would desensitize the XL elevator motion around neutral, akin to the exponential function on radio control transmitters? Flying in the Zenith demo, it seemed that for gradual-to-moderate turns much more stick deflection was needed for ailerons than elevator while holding altitude in the turn, and slight stick adjustments made for big pitch changes. For those who fly XLs and other light planes, is this a big deal, and would there be a benefit in smoother flying with an elevator that had less deflection relative to the control stick around neutral, then catching up for full surface deflection at full stick? Thanks for your inputs -------- David Glass Forest, VA Zodiac XL - N253DG reserved On the gear, ready for tail and cables 12/06 ------------ Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:58 AM PST US From: "Wade Jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL fuel vents Thanks Carlos ,for the info . Wade Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlos Sa To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 10:00 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL fuel vents This is my experience making an -HD tank, but maybe you can use the idea. I wrapped a piece of aluminum at the top of the tube, and riveted that piece with the tank's side. See attached picture - I have higher resolution, (~700 KB). Let me know if interested and I'll send privately. Carlos CH601-HD, plans On 20/12/06, Ron Lendon wrote: I have mine out being welded. I will talk to the guy and see if he will allow pictures of the process. Tacking it to the top of the tank is something I didn't think about but will mention it to the weldor. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:59 AM PST US From: MaxNr@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re:Labels and more I bought a kit from EAA for certifying a homebuilt for a few bucks. It contained a sheet of decals. AS and WagAero sell these too. Bob XL-Rud-eng mt ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:40 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Labels and More Hi Tommy, Look into the Brother P-Touch label maker machines. Th eoffer different fonts and borders and the label material comes in different widths and different colors including clear with different ink colors. The labels are peel and stick adhesive and I've had good service from them in an open cockpit ultra-not-so-light. Ed . ---- Tommy Walker wrote: > > Listers, > > I'm wanting to buy some labels for my panel and thought someone could point me to the right place. Here's what I think I want: > > White print on a clear stick-on label. I prefer that it not be a water-based ink for durability. > > Is there anyone out there who produces such a product? ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:41 AM PST US From: "Ron Culver" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Video Cameras?? Have you considered any of the small cameras used on Radio Controlled airplanes? You can Google up many.Here is one that looked interesting. http://www.wonderhobby.com/smmiwicospyc.html I have a refence which shows some pics made this way which look pretty good.I am still trying to locate it.When I do I will post them to you.. Best, Ron Culver ----- Original Message ----- From: JG To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 7:18 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Video Cameras?? Gday, Does anyone have experience with digital video cameras that may help..... I want to video take-offs and landings, then analyse frame by frame to determine angle of attack and speed. The older analog ones didn't have enough clarity in single frames, but I understand the digital ones are much better that way..... Also want to use it for tuft-testing, and that means being able to hook up to a remote camera. It seems that most of the lower end DV cameras don't have such an input. Does anyone know of one that is capable in this regard?? There are still some questions posed on the list regarding Slats v/s VGs that I need to answer, but I'll leave all that until after all the distractions of this holiday season...... Wishing everyone a Merry Christmas, and fair skies and tailwinds always..... JG ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:53 AM PST US From: "Ron Culver" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Video Cameras?? Here is a video a guy made from a R/C ..not great fidelity,but might be useful if wing mounted to view tufts??? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2237947353453839215 ----- Original Message ----- From: JG To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 7:18 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Video Cameras?? Gday, Does anyone have experience with digital video cameras that may help..... I want to video take-offs and landings, then analyse frame by frame to determine angle of attack and speed. The older analog ones didn't have enough clarity in single frames, but I understand the digital ones are much better that way..... Also want to use it for tuft-testing, and that means being able to hook up to a remote camera. It seems that most of the lower end DV cameras don't have such an input. Does anyone know of one that is capable in this regard?? There are still some questions posed on the list regarding Slats v/s VGs that I need to answer, but I'll leave all that until after all the distractions of this holiday season...... Wishing everyone a Merry Christmas, and fair skies and tailwinds always..... JG ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:23:31 PM PST US From: "Russell J." Subject: Zenith-List: corvair motor mount William Wynn's manual shows the motor mount as being built with the spools as shown in the first drawing. I understand that Zenair now furnishes the kits with longeron mounts to accommodate this type of motor mount. However the older kits had the motor mount bolts welded to the brackets that bolted to the longerons. This would require a mount with tabs as shown in the next two illustrations. The spool mounted engine mount places the welds in shear while the tab mounted mount places the weld in tension, unless a member is folded over parallel to the diagonal tube as shown in the middle drawing. Question: is the tab mounted motor mount as durable and structurally sound as the spool mounted? Russell Johnson / 601-HDS do not archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:30:22 PM PST US From: "Hugh Roberts" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Video Cameras?? Look up Samsung SC-X105(L)/X110(L) small video cam with external cam unit with it ----- Original Message ----- From: "billmileski" Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 10:06 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Video Cameras?? > > There is a new crop of digital camcorders that shoot 30 progressive frames > per second instead of (or in addition to) 60 interlace fields per sec > (that are separated in time by 1/60th sec). I have been considering the > Canon Elura. I have had experience with the small NTSC color cameras > (interlaced) that are easy to put out on a wing tip.. but I don't know how > a remote camera could be inexpensively done with progressive scan, without > putting the whole camcorder outside the cockpit somehow. There may be a > creative solution for a small remote progressive camera. This probably > doesn't help you too much.. > > Bill Mileski > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82646#82646 > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:59:22 PM PST US From: "JG" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Video Cameras?? That's amazing inflight video - it really takes you for a ride! I bought a cheapo wireless camera from eBay but it doesn't handle the light changes like that one does. That might be the answer, now just need a camcorder with AV input..... ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Culver To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 6:01 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Video Cameras?? Here is a video a guy made from a R/C ..not great fidelity,but might be useful if wing mounted to view tufts??? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2237947353453839215 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:54 PM PST US From: "Peter Franke" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Inspection plate fasteners "The Cherry Rivetless Nut Plate applies in less than two seconds in aluminium sheets as thin as 0.062 inches." I think that limits their use quite substantially. Peter -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gig Giacona Sent: Wednesday, 20 December 2006 1:18 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Inspection plate fasteners They look like standard nut plates installed with solid rivets. They are available thought ACS and I'd tell you the page but I don't have my catalog with me. Also speaking of nut plates has anyone ever seen these? http://www.textronfasteningsystems.com/pressroom/pr/RNP.html brothapig(at)HOTMAIL.COM wrote: > May be a dumb question, but could somebody please tell me the trade name of the fasteners found in the picture in the link below? They are basically nut-plates, but I can't seem to find any at any of the aircraft tool distributors. Could somebody give me a hint on where I can find these as well? Thanks in advance. > > Ryan > > http://www.mykitairplane.com/MyCH701/pages/022%20Elevator%20Access%20All%20D oubler%20Rivets.htm -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82414#82414 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:56 PM PST US From: "george may" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Video Cameras?? small cameras used on Radio Controlled airplanes? Ron-- I have a set like the one you are suggesting. It works well tied into a video monitor or TV but I'm having trouble trying to find a Video camera that will interface with it. I'd like to be able to use the video camera to record flights. I have a small JVC video camera but can find the appropriate cables to tie in the R/C receiver. Any suggestions? Georgfe May 601XL 912s --30hours do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Visit MSN Holiday Challenge for your chance to win up to $50,000 in Holiday cash from MSN today! http://www.msnholidaychallenge.com/index.aspx?ocid=tagline&locale=en-us ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:34 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: corvair motor mount Russell, The tab-mounted mounts are as sound and durable if they're properly welded. The spool type is perhaps stronger because the weld is more in shear than tension to a minor degree. I don't know that I've ever heard of a mount breaking because of the difference. Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Russell J. wrote: > William Wynn's manual shows the motor mount as being built with the > spools as shown in the first drawing. I understand that Zenair now > furnishes the kits with longeron mounts to accommodate this type of > motor mount. > > However the older kits had the motor mount bolts welded to the > brackets that bolted to the longerons. This would require a mount with > tabs as shown in the next two illustrations. > > The spool mounted engine mount places the welds in shear while the tab > mounted mount places the weld in tension, unless a member is folded > over parallel to the diagonal tube as shown in the middle drawing. > > Question: is the tab mounted motor mount as durable and structurally > sound as the spool mounted? > > Russell Johnson / 601-HDS > > do not archive > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:11 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: corvair motor mount At least on the 601XL Zenith has always offered long and short mounting bolts. The short bolts worked with motor mounts with flat plates while the long bolts work with mounts with spools. You can see this in the latest plans by comparing the Jabiru mount on 6-JE-1 with the dynafocal mount show in 6-YE-2. This same choice is shown in my circa 2000 plans. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 01:48:35 PM PST US From: "Ron Culver" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Video Cameras?? This guy interfaced with some video goggles. I don't know how to contact him but there are credits at the end of the video and if you do pauses in that area you might find a reference there..?? http://video.google.com:80/videoplay?docid=-2237947353453839215 ----- Original Message ----- From: "george may" Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 4:03 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Video Cameras?? > > small cameras used on Radio Controlled airplanes? > > > Ron-- > I have a set like the one you are suggesting. It works well tied into a > video monitor or TV but I'm having trouble trying to find a Video camera > that will interface with it. I'd like to be able to use the video camera > to record flights. I have a small JVC video camera but can find the > appropriate cables to tie in the R/C receiver. Any suggestions? > > Georgfe May > 601XL 912s --30hours > > > do not archive > > _________________________________________________________________ > Visit MSN Holiday Challenge for your chance to win up to $50,000 in > Holiday cash from MSN today! > http://www.msnholidaychallenge.com/index.aspx?ocid=tagline&locale=en-us > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:36 PM PST US From: "Ron Culver" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Video Cameras?? It has been a while since I did any of these things but don't most cameras have an input so that they can be used a camcorders?? Perhaps someone more knowlegable might post some better help.. that video is really amazing ..and as I said there are credits at the end they go fast but perhaps with a quick eye and some patience you could catch a link there? ----- Original Message ----- From: JG To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 3:58 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Video Cameras?? That's amazing inflight video - it really takes you for a ride! I bought a cheapo wireless camera from eBay but it doesn't handle the light changes like that one does. That might be the answer, now just need a camcorder with AV input..... ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Culver To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 6:01 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Video Cameras?? Here is a video a guy made from a R/C ..not great fidelity,but might be useful if wing mounted to view tufts??? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2237947353453839215 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:22 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Video Cameras?? From: "Tim Juhl" Remember that Australia uses the PAL standard - 25 frames per second. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82756#82756 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:28 PM PST US From: "JG" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Video Cameras?? > Remember that Australia uses the PAL standard - 25 frames per second Yeh, that's just what I'm trying to find out now - if I film in PAL, how does that go onto YouTube or whatever?? Do not archive ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:03 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Video Cameras?? From: "Tim Juhl" Regarding PAL - Youtube doesn't use standard full resolution video. I haven't uploaded anything to them but I suspect if you can save your video as a Quicktime, mpeg or similar format that you'd be OK. Check what the site says about video requirements. Tim -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82765#82765 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 04:00:49 PM PST US From: "Neitzel" Subject: Zenith-List: Building flaperons Greetings all, Started building flaperons and thought I would pass along this building tip. Directions say before drilling the hinge angles to the spar to place the spar with temporarily clamped hinge angles up to wing to make sure the distance is correct between mounts. Directions for permanent mounting indicate the use of a 1/4 in AN washer on each side of the hinge angle. These washers are .060 thick. I clamped a piece of material .120 in thickness to the inside of one of the flaperon mounts to account for the thickness of the two washers. With out accommodating for the thickness of the washers tightening the bolt would displace the mounting arms the thickness of the two washers. Probably wouldn't amount to much movement but the more stress kept off from these mounting points the better. Also like to wish all on the list a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Dick Neitzel Sayner, WI 701 Jabiru 2200 N962WB ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 04:00:49 PM PST US From: "John M. Goodings" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Removing 701 Slats, etc. I await with keen anticipation for someone to try to fly a 701 with the slats intact but the wings removed. Surely this is a logical extension. Any takers? DO NOT ARCHIVE John Goodings. ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:01 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Labels and More Tommy, what I did was I went to a local company that made vinyl signs. They use a computer to make letters and numbers that have sticky adhesives on the back. They can make any kind of color background, lettering and size. I used them for everything, warnings, tail numbers and all panel words. Fast and cheep. Maybe you could find such a company near you. Also, they were thrilled to know they were making the letters for a homemade plane. FWIW, Best regards, Bill of Georgia ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:57 PM PST US From: "Les Goldner" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Labels and More I put a bunch of P-touch labels on my Challenger II about a year ago & won't make the same mistake again with my 701. The label near the fuel filler cap is unreadable because P-touch labels don't take well to solvents like fuel. My panel labels have discolored and blurred somewhat and are starting to come loose. Wish I could find a good source for inexpensive etched aluminum labels. Regards, Les (finished wings, & tail, starting fus) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Craig Payne > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:26 AM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Labels and More > > --> > > >> white on clear > > Looks like these tapes will do what you want in a Brother > P-touch label > maker: TZ135 (1/2"), TZ145 (3/4"), TZS155 (1", extra strength > adhesive) > > -- Craig > > > Photoshare, and much much more: > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:30 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL fuel vents From: "Ron Lendon" Wade, Sounds like a good price to me. I am being charged $160 per tank and think it's a bargain. I don't have the time to get as good as this guy already is. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82804#82804 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:24 PM PST US From: Chris sinfield Subject: Zenith-List: Aileron end rod washers Christmas greetings from Down Under, I am connecting my XL Ailerons and have come up with some Q's. On XL plans 6-W-10, where the rod end connects to the belcrank with bolt AN5-10A, it does not show any washers? but the other end Rod end at the aileron side does show 2 washers.?? Should there be washers at the belcrank end? Also the bolt AN3-12A that goes through the belcrank bushing also does not show any washer? My Airframe training says to use washers ad no washers go against this.. IS it just assumed that you would put washers on them without writing it on the plans? page 8 of the construction manual does state minimum one washer under nut after bolt grip length... and thats why its not mentioned on the plans??? So What have those that have gone before me, done?? Chris Zodiac XL Sydney Australia __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:30 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aileron end rod washers Standard aircraft procedures should be used here. Typically, at least one washer is used under the nut, more are used if necessary. If more than four washers are needed to get proper grip length, the next shorter standard bolt should be used. The plans probably show two washers on the aileron end to highlight the fact that more than one is needed there. If the plans don't show washers, usually only one is needed. On Dec 21, 2006, at 1:30 AM, Chris sinfield wrote: > I am connecting my XL Ailerons and have come up with some Q's. On > XL plans 6-W-10, where the rod end connects to the belcrank with > bolt AN5-10A, it does not show any washers? but the other end Rod > end at the aileron side does show 2 washers.?? Should there be > washers at the belcrank end? > > Also the bolt AN3-12A that goes through the belcrank bushing also > does not show any washer? My Airframe training says to use washers > ad no washers go against this.. IS it just assumed that you would > put washers on them without writing it on the plans? page 8 of the > construction manual does state minimum one washer under nut after > bolt grip length... and thats why its not mentioned on the plans?? -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.