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1. 04:13 AM - Re: xxx Re: STOL Flyer! (John Bolding)
2. 05:00 AM - Christmas Wishes (crvsecretary@aol.com)
3. 06:39 AM - Facet fuel pumps available (Aaron Gustafson)
4. 09:11 AM - Re: Facet fuel pumps available (Gig Giacona)
5. 09:13 AM - Re: STOL Flyer! (Gig Giacona)
6. 09:59 AM - Thanks !! (Zed Smith)
7. 10:24 AM - Re: Thanks !! (Gary Boothe)
8. 10:43 AM - Re: Thanks !! (Ron Culver)
9. 11:03 AM - Re: Facet fuel pumps available (Aaron Gustafson)
10. 11:23 AM - Re: Thanks !! (NYTerminat)
11. 11:33 AM - Re: Thanks !! (Dirk Slabbert)
12. 11:40 AM - Re: Thanks !! (MrBizi)
13. 12:04 PM - Re: Thanks !! (Dave Austin)
14. 12:17 PM - Re: Thanks !! (Carlos Sa)
15. 12:49 PM - Re: Thanks !! (Keith Ashcraft)
16. 01:07 PM - Re: Labels and More (Dave Thompson)
17. 01:33 PM - Re: Labels and More (billbutlergps@aim.com)
18. 01:42 PM - Re: Thanks !! (JOHN STARN)
19. 03:08 PM - Re: vg's (Carl Bertrand)
20. 04:12 PM - Yo! (Bill Naumuk)
21. 05:39 PM - Re: vg's (NYTerminat)
22. 06:16 PM - off subject but important info (Neitzel)
23. 08:00 PM - Re: off topic STOL Flyer! (Noel Loveys)
24. 08:05 PM - Re: off subject but important info (Michael Valentine)
25. 08:46 PM - Seat Belts (LHusky@aol.com)
26. 09:20 PM - Re: Seat Belts (Craig Payne)
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Come ON Gary ,we have to have ALL the information, we HAVE to know all
about his insurance, if it was built from kit or plans, tailwheel or
nosewheel, pop rivets or driven, you can't have us wondering all year
about these critical issues. Merry Christmas !! John Bolding
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:58 PM
Subject: xxx RE: Zenith-List: STOL Flyer!
Not a problem. He has slats with VG's, but cannot call it a 701
anymore
.uses green scotchbrite pads on the bottom of his skis, for traction
..has a fifth bearing on his WW Conversion with a rear starter,
swinging a five bladed prop of questionable efficiency
..labels his panel with a label maker, but used crinkle paint, so the
labels keep falling off
..has two nav antennas, one on the rudder and one underneath, just in
case
..put both the landing light and the aileron trim on the right wing,
'cause he's a big guy
..has a glass panel backed up by steam gauges, because his dynamo
keeps over charging and he used a master switch that doesn't enable him
to cut off the alternator
..has polished aluminum that doesn't shine too well because he didn't
use Nuvite's 'C'
.he can't be seen too well because of the polished aluminum (that's
OK, he needs to be stealth), but he has strobes and a flashing beacon
even though he's a Sport Pilot, plus he has the landing light that he
can turn on whenever he wants to be seen, or to light up the rooftops,
but one light is burned out because he didn't think to turn the glowy
thing vertical.
One last thing, he's on his 3rd 701, but it's OK, he knows a guy who's
really good at rebuilding 701's!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JG
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 4:26 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: STOL Flyer!
Just thinking that Santa must be one hotshot STOL flyer!
Landing on all those little roofs, at odd angles....
And with such a heavy load on board.....
The aerodynamics of that sleigh are impressive....
And the t/o thrust of those reindeer - I'm envious....
And all those TV antennas and powerlines....
In the dark, with all those glaring lights....
So give him a break and at least set up a windsock....
JG
www.aeroelectric.comwww.kitlog.comhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zeni
th-List
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| Subject: | Christmas Wishes |
Hello Listers:
As a long-time lurker on this list I am very grateful for the information an
d experience I have received from all of you. What makes me most grateful i
s the coming together of people from very divergent backgrounds towards a co
mmon interest...and the fact (demonstrated in the thread below) that we can
LAUGH and smile not only at Christmastime but year-round as well. Sure, som
etimes things get heated, some leave, new faces appear, the circle starts an
ew.....
My deep appreciation goes out to all the long-time posters who pepper this l
ist with information, wisdom, and laughter.
Happy Holidays Everyone!
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
N458XL (reserved)
Rudder & tail complete
wings 20%
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From: jnbolding1@teleshare.net
Sent: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: xxx RE: Zenith-List: STOL Flyer!
Come ON Gary ,we have to have ALL the information, we HAVE to know all about
his insurance, if it was built from kit or plans, tailwheel or nosewheel, p
op rivets or driven, you can't have us wondering all year about these critic
al issues. Merry Christmas !! John Bolding
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:58 PM
Subject: xxx RE: Zenith-List: STOL Flyer!
Not a problem. He has slats with VG=99s, but cannot call it a 701 anym
ore
uses green scotchbrite pads on the bottom of his skis, for traction
.has a fifth bearing on his WW Conversion with a rear starter, swin
ging a five bladed prop of questionable efficiency
.labels his panel with a label maker, but used crinkle paint, so th
e labels keep falling off
.has two nav antennas, one on the rudder and one underneath, just i
n case
.put both the landing light and the aileron trim on the right wing,
=98cause he=99s a big guy
.has a glass panel backed up by steam gauges, because his dynamo ke
eps over charging and he used a master switch that doesn=99t enable hi
m to cut off the alternator
.has polished aluminum that doesn=99t shine too well because
he didn=99t use Nuvite=99s =98C=99
he can=99t be seen too well because of the polished aluminum
(that=99s OK, he needs to be stealth), but he has strobes and a flashi
ng beacon even though he=99s a Sport Pilot, plus he has the landing li
ght that he can turn on whenever he wants to be seen, or to light up the roo
ftops, but one light is burned out because he didn=99t think to turn t
he glowy thing vertical
One last thing, he=99s on his 3rd 701, but it=99s OK, he knows a
guy who=99s really good at rebuilding 701=99s!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-serve
r@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JG
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 4:26 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: STOL Flyer!
Just thinking that Santa must be one hotshot STOL flyer!
Landing on all those little roofs, at odd angles....
And with such a heavy load on board.....
The aerodynamics of that sleigh are impressive....
And the t/o thrust of those reindeer =93 I=99m envious....
And all those TV antennas and powerlines....
In the dark, with all those glaring lights....
So give him a break and at least set up a windsock....
JG
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| Subject: | Facet fuel pumps available |
Because I'm switching engines I have 2 Facet 40105 fuel pumps left, both
new although one has pumped some fuel. For $50 I'll send them to you in
the 48 U.S.
Aaron Gustafson do not archive contact me direct
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| Subject: | Re: Facet fuel pumps available |
I'll take them. E-mail me off list
wr.giacona AT cox.net
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=83028#83028
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If you have kids load this page up so they can watch him on their radar. If you
check it before launch you will see a countdown clock up and running.
http://www.noradsanta.org/en/tracking.php
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=83029#83029
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Okay, guys.....on some parts of this planet people are about to celebrate Christmas.
We do that at my place.
Possibly it isn't politically correct to wish a Merry Christmas to strangers.
I've enjoyed 2006 on this List. It has been fun, informative, diverse, and a lot
of other things. In the end, I think I'll renew my membership because you
builders just aren't strangers anymore; you're more like neighbors or old school
chums......extended family.
Here's wishing all participants a Merry Christmas, or whatever you may celebrate,
and a better 2007.
Thanks to Matt Dralle for the List.
Thanks to 3M for pads.
Thanks to Chris Heintz for his good work.
And if you hurry, E-Bay has Gift Certificates.
Hope none are stranded in Denver (although that pimple will clear up in a few days).
Again, thanks to all for making 2006 a pleasant journey, and,
Merry Christmas!!
Zed/do not archive
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Zed,
To your well worded Merry Christmas wish and Thanks, I would like to add a
special "Thanks" to Chris Smith for that very poignant post about his recent
flight. Of ALL the quality posts this year, I would vote that one to be the
BEST. Can you imagine including that letter with every set of plans that ZAC
sent out? I wonder if the rate of completion would increase. As someone else
pointed out, that post should definitely be archived, and regurgitated
frequently. Though many may deny shedding a tear, I would be willing to bet
that there are as many liars.
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL,
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Zed Smith
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 9:59 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Thanks !!
Okay, guys.....on some parts of this planet people are about to celebrate
Christmas. We do that at my place.
Possibly it isn't politically correct to wish a Merry Christmas to
strangers.
I've enjoyed 2006 on this List. It has been fun, informative, diverse, and
a lot of other things. In the end, I think I'll renew my membership because
you builders just aren't strangers anymore; you're more like neighbors or
old school chums......extended family.
Here's wishing all participants a Merry Christmas, or whatever you may
celebrate, and a better 2007.
Thanks to Matt Dralle for the List.
Thanks to 3M for pads.
Thanks to Chris Heintz for his good work.
And if you hurry, E-Bay has Gift Certificates.
Hope none are stranded in Denver (although that pimple will clear up in a
few days).
Again, thanks to all for making 2006 a pleasant journey, and,
Merry Christmas!!
Zed/do not archive
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Well said Zed ! I second that! Great forum and members.Happy Holidays all!
Ron Culver
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From: "Zed Smith" <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 12:58 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Thanks !!
>
> Okay, guys.....on some parts of this planet people are about to celebrate
> Christmas. We do that at my place.
> Possibly it isn't politically correct to wish a Merry Christmas to
> strangers.
> I've enjoyed 2006 on this List. It has been fun, informative, diverse,
> and a lot of other things. In the end, I think I'll renew my membership
> because you builders just aren't strangers anymore; you're more like
> neighbors or old school chums......extended family.
> Here's wishing all participants a Merry Christmas, or whatever you may
> celebrate, and a better 2007.
> Thanks to Matt Dralle for the List.
> Thanks to 3M for pads.
> Thanks to Chris Heintz for his good work.
> And if you hurry, E-Bay has Gift Certificates.
> Hope none are stranded in Denver (although that pimple will clear up in a
> few days).
> Again, thanks to all for making 2006 a pleasant journey, and,
> Merry Christmas!!
>
> Zed/do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Facet fuel pumps available |
Fuel pumps are gone Thanks Aaron do not archive
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Merry Christmas Zed
do not archive
In a message dated 12/22/06 13:00:24 Eastern Standard Time, zsmith3rd@earthlink.net
writes:
Okay, guys.....on some parts of this planet people are about to celebrate Christmas.
We do that at my place.
Possibly it isn't politically correct to wish a Merry Christmas to strangers.
I've enjoyed 2006 on this List. It has been fun, informative, diverse, and a lot
of other things. In the end, I think I'll renew my membership because you
builders just aren't strangers anymore; you're more like neighbors or old school
chums......extended family.
Here's wishing all participants a Merry Christmas, or whatever you may celebrate,
and a better 2007.
Thanks to Matt Dralle for the List.
Thanks to 3M for pads.
Thanks to Chris Heintz for his good work.
And if you hurry, E-Bay has Gift Certificates.
Hope none are stranded in Denver (although that pimple will clear up in a few days).
Again, thanks to all for making 2006 a pleasant journey, and,
Merry Christmas!!
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Zed, you are a scholar and a gentleman, sir!
I always read your message, humour, informative, entertaining at the same
time !
All the best from down south
Dirk, Piketberg SA
701 (dual stick, ea. 99% ....? )
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zed Smith" <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 7:58 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Thanks !!
>
> Okay, guys.....on some parts of this planet people are about to celebrate
> Christmas. We do that at my place.
> Possibly it isn't politically correct to wish a Merry Christmas to
> strangers.
> I've enjoyed 2006 on this List. It has been fun, informative, diverse,
> and a lot of other things. In the end, I think I'll renew my membership
> because you builders just aren't strangers anymore; you're more like
> neighbors or old school chums......extended family.
> Here's wishing all participants a Merry Christmas, or whatever you may
> celebrate, and a better 2007.
> Thanks to Matt Dralle for the List.
> Thanks to 3M for pads.
> Thanks to Chris Heintz for his good work.
> And if you hurry, E-Bay has Gift Certificates.
> Hope none are stranded in Denver (although that pimple will clear up in a
> few days).
> Again, thanks to all for making 2006 a pleasant journey, and,
> Merry Christmas!!
>
> Zed/do not archive
>
>
>
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Actually, I believe it is Politically Correct to wish someone a Merry Christmas
regardless of their religion... If they aren't Christian, they should just know
that I'm wishing them well and that the Christmas part doesn't apply to them....
just like if you wished me a Happy Hanukkah, I wouldn't get offended...
I would just know that you are wishing me well and that particular holiday doesn't
apply to me, etc...
As a society, we have tried to become more tolerant of others which is good...
we just don't need to remove what is an intergral part of some of us in order
to prove we are understanding of others...
Just my thoughts on the matter...
Merry Christmas!
Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net> wrote:
Okay, guys.....on some parts of this planet people are about to celebrate Christmas.
We do that at my place.
Possibly it isn't politically correct to wish a Merry Christmas to strangers.
I've enjoyed 2006 on this List. It has been fun, informative, diverse, and a lot
of other things. In the end, I think I'll renew my membership because you builders
just aren't strangers anymore; you're more like neighbors or old school
chums......extended family.
Here's wishing all participants a Merry Christmas, or whatever you may celebrate,
and a better 2007.
Thanks to Matt Dralle for the List.
Thanks to 3M for pads.
Thanks to Chris Heintz for his good work.
And if you hurry, E-Bay has Gift Certificates.
Hope none are stranded in Denver (although that pimple will clear up in a few days).
Again, thanks to all for making 2006 a pleasant journey, and,
Merry Christmas!!
Zed/do not archive
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Piss on Politically Correct.
Merry Christmas everybody.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
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Hello, fellow listers
Just out of curiosity, I went to the list archives and searched my first
posting.
It was back in July, 1997. Through it, I bought a set of plans, second
hand. The gentleman that sold them to me went to build an RV.
Before my first post, I read the whole archive - yes, those days, it was
feasible. And it was before Matt came up with the don't archive thingy.
Over the past 9.5 years, I posted some 400 times, and my name was involved
in some 860
emails (that I know of...!).
I discussed building sequence, rivets, bending brakes, tools, lights, LEDs,
strobes, illness, round vs triangular holes, the color of rivets, fly-ins,
riveted fuel tanks, and a hole lot more. I was (arguably) the first one to
realize I had used the wrong color of scotch-brite, after somebody raised
the (green) flag. But let's not beat that dead horse (again).
It's been 9.5 years, I am still assembling wings.
It has been fun - trading information, stories and opinions. This list is
just like a bunch of friends that I can tap on the shoulder and ask just
about anything, from "where do I get a bright blue do-hickey?" to a plain
"why?". And, of course, that's what you get as a reply: sometimes an expert
bit of information, sometimes a shrug, sometimes an opinion. And it's all
fine and dandy. I wouldn't have it any other way.
And, controversial as it may be, now we even have pictures - to the delight
of many and chagrin of some. Better than magazines, which you can read in
one afternoon, and you can't interact with.
It's been fun, people! I have enjoyed your company, and hope you all will be
around for a long while. At the very least, until my fist flight... ;-)
Wishing you a very Merry Christmas and a wonderful New Year.
May the rivet lines be straight, the drill bit sharp, and, when you finish,
no "spare" parts are left in the crate/shelf/drawer/bedroom...
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
Building since 1997
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MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU TOO ZED,
I don't live in Denver, but I do live to the SouthWest, about 70miles,
at 9,100' level, and I did have a solid 18" of snow. Not as much as I
had in October, but enough. My total is 77" since Sept., so I will be
looking at a White Christmas, and a soft landing for Santa, so that he
can deliver me my ?reen ?cothchbrite, and VG's on my removable slats!!!
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL, AND TO ALL, A GOOD FLIGHT!!!
Keith
CH701 -- 8% -- scratch
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
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Zed Smith wrote:
>
>Okay, guys.....on some parts of this planet people are about to celebrate Christmas.
We do that at my place.
>Possibly it isn't politically correct to wish a Merry Christmas to strangers.
>I've enjoyed 2006 on this List. It has been fun, informative, diverse, and a
lot of other things. In the end, I think I'll renew my membership because you
builders just aren't strangers anymore; you're more like neighbors or old school
chums......extended family.
>Here's wishing all participants a Merry Christmas, or whatever you may celebrate,
and a better 2007.
>Thanks to Matt Dralle for the List.
>Thanks to 3M for pads.
>Thanks to Chris Heintz for his good work.
>And if you hurry, E-Bay has Gift Certificates.
>Hope none are stranded in Denver (although that pimple will clear up in a few
days).
>Again, thanks to all for making 2006 a pleasant journey, and,
>Merry Christmas!!
>
>Zed/do not archive
>
>
>
>
--
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ITT
5009 Centennial Blvd.
Colorado Springs, CO
80919
(719) 599-1787 -- work
(719) 332-4364 -- cell
keith.ashcraft@itt.com
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| Subject: | Re: Labels and More |
List,
I am not a builder yet. BUT, I have made several electronic gadgets and
wanted a professional looking faceplate. I experimented with a variety of
different things and ended up with silk screening.
I went to the local art supply store and purchased a T-shirt silk screen
kit. I experimented with a variety of paints and found that thinned plastic
model enamel works great. I tried to match the viscosity of the paint that
came with the kit. I had to purchase more screen material during my
experimentation. With about three tries I was able to draw a placard on the
computer and transfer it to the screen material (per included instructions).
I then took a piece of metal I sprayed black with an enamel shaker spray can
and silk screened the white letters onto it. I think I spent two weekend
days and invested about $30.00 for the kit and wasted materials until I came
up with an acceptable result. The switchbox I made has been used and abused
in my home entertainment center for about two years and none of the letters
have shown any fading or scratching. I made a switchbox for a friend's boat
and sprayed flat clear over it. It too still looks great.
I found several kits available with a quick internet search. Perhaps one of
the paint guys might have a better suggestion for the type of paint. With a
small amount of experimentation and time any of you can make very
professional looking placards for your projects.
Dave Thompson
dave.thompson@verizon.net
Westminster, CA
601XL rudder workshop, Corvair engine in parts and asking Santa for some
plans.
P.S. Before I sent this e-mail, I changed the font to Courier, 12 points.
That way it will display properly on the list. Notice that I don't have any
of the weird characters in the text above?
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| Subject: | Re: Labels and More |
How about posting a pic?
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: dave.thompson@verizon.net
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Labels and More
List, I am not a builder yet. BUT, I have made several electronic gadgets
and wanted a professional looking faceplate. I experimented with a variety
of different things and ended up with silk screening. I went to the local
art supply store and purchased a T-shirt silk screen kit. I experimented wit
h a variety of paints and found that thinned plastic model enamel works grea
t. I tried to match the viscosity of the paint that came with the kit. I had
to purchase more screen material during my experimentation. With about thre
e tries I was able to draw a placard on the computer and transfer it to the
screen material (per included instructions). I then took a piece of metal I
sprayed black with an enamel shaker spray can and silk screened the white le
tters onto it. I think I spent two weekend days and invested about $30.00 fo
r the kit and wasted materials until I came up with an acceptable result. Th
e switchbox I made has been used and abused in my home entertainment center
for about two years and none of the letters have shown any fading or scratch
ing. I made a switchbox for a friend=99s boat and sprayed flat clear o
ver it. It too still looks great. I found several kits available with a q
uick internet search. Perhaps one of the paint guys might have a better sugg
estion for the type of paint. With a small amount of experimentation and tim
e any of you can make very professional looking placards for your projects.
Dave Thompson dave.thompson@verizon.net Westminster, CA 601XL rudder works
hop, Corvair engine in parts and asking Santa for some plans. P.S. Before
I sent this e-mail, I changed the font to Courier, 12 points. That way it wi
ll display properly on the list. Notice that I don=99t have any of the
weird characters in the text above?
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AAAAMEN>>>>>AAAAmen......MERRY CHRISTMAS....KABONG Do Not Archive
P.S.: HAPPY WHATEVER TOO..........
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From: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@can.rogers.com>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Thanks !!
> <daveaustin2@can.rogers.com>
>
> Piss on Politically Correct.
> Merry Christmas everybody.
> Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
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Robert,
I do not intend removing my slats as my wing profile is different. My
slats are cut from the airfoil and move forward 4 inches when they open
at 10-12' A of A, When they retract they fit perfectly to the leading
edge of the wing. Removing them would leave a very sharp leading edge
and a stall with unknown caracteristics.
A friend that has the original ZAC wings is seriously considering
removing the slats. If he does, I am sure he will share the results with
the list. My interest was only in getting a second opinion to confirm
the Australian findings. At least two members of the list from N.A have
encouraging results.I tip my hat to the gent(s) that first tried
removing the slats as I would have expected some serious negative
results.
Most of my experience with the 701 is on floats. Slats are of little use
on a float plane until you get airborn because you cannot attain
sufficient A of A while on the water for the slats to generate lift. The
heel of the floats dig-in and reduce or stop acceleration if I rotate
above 10-12' A off A. The exception in when in the plow before getting
on the step where they probably generate some lift and help get on the
step. The best lift devices during T.O. from water are the flaps. I just
about always use 30'. The exception is strong variable winds.
Where I find the slats improve handling is in tight turns when going
into or out off small lakes surrounded by high hills. I reduce flaps to
20' as soon as it is safe to do so after T.O., and increase A of A to
20'. With 1000# gross I can safely turn at 40 kts inside a 300 foot
circle. I practice these turns at altitude on many of my flights, they
improve handling and are real confidence builder for getting out of
tight spots.
For normal flying, I lift-off at 35 kts and I immediately start to
retract flaps and accelerate to 50 kts in surface effect. I then raise
the nose to maintain 50 kts in the climb and reduce power to 5200-5300.
At 1000-1100 gross the slats are at least half in and the A of A is
8-10'. That is one area when I would like to have a manual override to
lock the slats in as they are not required for lift and are producing a
bit of drag. Another area that an override would be nice is when flying
at reduced speed in rough air. In the auto mode they cycle needlessly.
It's an easy mod but I just never gave it the priority to get it done.
Now for the question: Slats or no slats with VGs. Clearly, if you can
get the same slow speed handling without the slats and get increased
cruise speed to boot, I would choose the no slats with VGs. You save
weight and complexity, and get increased cruise speed or reduced fuel
consumption. If you don't care about slow speed handling then the
decision is even easier.
For those who are not interested in experimenting the decision is easy
also.
Those are the recommendations I will make to my friends.
Hibernating for the winter,
Carl
701/912
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Merry Christmas, everyone! Or Hannukah, or Kwanza, or.....
Enjoy the time off and build til your fingers hurt!!
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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Carl are you using the Peg a Stol wing? If you are, what kind of performance are
you seeing with this wing?
Bob Spudis
N701ZX/95hrs
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In a message dated 12/22/06 18:09:58 Eastern Standard Time, cgbrt@mondenet.com
writes:
Robert,
I do not intend removing my slats as my wing profile is different. My slats are
cut from the airfoil and move forward 4 inches when they open at 10-12' A of
A, When they retract they fit perfectly to the leading edge of the wing. Removing
them would leave a very sharp leading edge and a stall with unknown caracteristics.
A friend that has the original ZAC wings is seriously considering removing the
slats. If he does, I am sure he will share the results with the list. My interest
was only in getting a second opinion to confirm the Australian findings. At
least two members of the list from N.A have encouraging results.I tip my hat
to the gent(s) that first tried removing the slats as I would have expected some
serious negative results.
Now for the question: Slats or no slats with VGs. Clearly, if you can get the same
slow speed handling without the slats and get increased cruise speed to boot,
I would choose the no slats with VGs. You save weight and complexity, and
get increased cruise speed or reduced fuel consumption. If you don't care about
slow speed handling then the decision is even easier.
For those who are not interested in experimenting the decision is easy also.
Those are the recommendations I will make to my friends.
Hibernating for the winter,
Carl
701/912
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Greetings
I received this message today and found it rather disturbing. Probably
get in trouble for putting it on the list but the source appears to be
legitimate and if there is even a slight chance that this is actually
happening I want my fellow builders and their loved ones to be aware.
Dick Neitzel
Sayner, WI
701 2200 Jab
>> >
>> >BEWARE OF PAPER AT THE BACK GLASS OF YOUR VEHICLE
>> >
>> >NEW WAY TO DO CAR JACKING (NOT A JOKE!!!)
>> >
>> >Heads up everyone. Please, keep this circulating...
>> >
>> >You walk across the parking lot, unlock your car and get inside.
>> >You start the engine and shift into Reverse. When you look into
>> >the rearview mirror to back out of your parking space, you notice
>> >a piece of paper stuck to the middle of the rear window. So, you
>> >shift into Park, unlock your doors, and jump out of your
>> >car to remove that paper (or whatever it is) that is obstructing
>> >your view.
>> >
>> >When you reach the back of your car, that is when the
>> >car hacker's) appear out of nowhere, jump into your car and
>> >take off. They practically mow you down as they speed off
>> >in your car.
>> >
>> >And guess what, ladies? I bet your purse is still in the car.
>> >So now the carjacker has your car, your home address, your
>> >money, and your keys. Your home and your whole identity is
>> >now compromised!
>> >
>> >BEWARE OF THIS NEW SCHEME THAT IS NOW BEING USED.
>> >
>> >If you see a piece of paper stuck to your back window, just drive
away.
>> >
>> >Remove the paper later. And be thankful that you read this e-mail.
>> >
>> >I hope you will forward this to friends and family, especially to
women.
>> >
>> >A purse contains all kinds of personal information and
identification
>> >documents, and you certainly do NOT want this to fall into the wrong
>> >hands.
>> >
>> >Please keep this going.
>> >
>> >Thank you.
>> >Lieutenant Tony Bartolome
>> >Bureau of Investigations
>> >Florida Highway Patrol
>> >P.O. Box 593527 Orlando , FL 32859
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Probably uses green Scotch Brite too!
You started it :-)
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Merry Christmas
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Vechinski
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:24 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: STOL Flyer!
I wonder if he has taken his slats off......
Please forgive me
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Subject: Re: Zenith-List: STOL Flyer!
From: billbutlergps@aim.com
And give him good tight GPS coords with elevation along with the coords of
all features in your area (power lines, large trees, towers, etc).
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: vgstol@bigpond.net.au
Sent: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 6:25 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: STOL Flyer!
Just thinking that Santa must be one hotshot STOL flyer!
Landing on all those little roofs, at odd angles....
And with such a heavy load on board.....
The aerodynamics of that sleigh are impressive....
And the t/o thrust of those reindeer - I'm envious....
And all those TV antennas and powerlines....
In the dark, with all those glaring lights....
So give him a break and at least set up a windsock....
JG
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FALSE -- http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/carjack.asp
To those of you that are unaware of www.snopes.com, please check the status
of your "urgent" internet alerts before forwarding them to others, thereby
taking time, bandwidth, and, therefore, money.
And now, back to your regularly scheduled programming....
If anyone wants to suggest that that a CH design cannot be improved (vgs
anyone?), you have obviously either not done, or you have forgotten, the
half-assed wingtip design.
Michael in NH
Guess what I part I'm working on!
On 12/22/06, Neitzel <n963wb@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> Greetings
>
> I received this message today and found it rather disturbing. Probably
> get in trouble for putting it on the list but the source appears to be
> legitimate and if there is even a slight chance that this is actually
> happening I want my fellow builders and their loved ones to be aware.
>
> Dick Neitzel
> Sayner, WI
> 701 2200 Jab
>
>
> >> >
> >> >BEWARE OF PAPER AT THE BACK GLASS OF YOUR VEHICLE
> >> >
> >> >NEW WAY TO DO CAR JACKING (NOT A JOKE!!!)
> >> >
> >> >Heads up everyone. Please, keep this circulating...
> >> >
> >> >You walk across the parking lot, unlock your car and get inside.
> >> >You start the engine and shift into Reverse. When you look into
> >> >the rearview mirror to back out of your parking space, you notice
> >> >a piece of paper stuck to the middle of the rear window. So, you
> >> >shift into Park, unlock your doors, and jump out of your
> >> >car to remove that paper (or whatever it is) that is obstructing
> >> >your view.
> >> >
> >> >When you reach the back of your car, that is when the
> >> >car hacker's) appear out of nowhere, jump into your car and
> >> >take off. They practically mow you down as they speed off
> >> >in your car.
> >> >
> >> >And guess what, ladies? I bet your purse is still in the car.
> >> >So now the carjacker has your car, your home address, your
> >> >money, and your keys. Your home and your whole identity is
> >> >now compromised!
> >> >
> >> >BEWARE OF THIS NEW SCHEME THAT IS NOW BEING USED.
> >> >
> >> >If you see a piece of paper stuck to your back window, just drive
> away.
> >> >
> >> >Remove the paper later. And be thankful that you read this e-mail.
> >> >
> >> >I hope you will forward this to friends and family, especially to
> women.
> >> >
> >> >A purse contains all kinds of personal information and identification
> >> >documents, and you certainly do NOT want this to fall into the wrong
> >> >hands.
> >> >
> >> >Please keep this going.
> >> >
> >> >Thank you.
> >> >Lieutenant Tony Bartolome
> >> >Bureau of Investigations
> >> >Florida Highway Patrol
> >> >P.O. Box 593527 Orlando , FL 32859
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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If there is anyone out there that has bought different seatbelts than what
was supplied with your kit, and you want to sell yours, let me know.
Larry Husky
Lakeview, OR
Fuselage getting closer to being done!
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