Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:42 AM - Re: odd and ends (Edward Moody II)
2. 07:24 AM - Re: Tips (Bill Naumuk)
3. 07:59 AM - odd and ends (john butterfield)
4. 08:01 AM - Torque force to apply to AN Bolts (Christian Tremblay)
5. 08:31 AM - Seat of the Pants Flying! (Y - O)
6. 08:40 AM - Re: Torque force to apply to AN Bolts (Herbert Heaton)
7. 08:45 AM - Re: Torque force to apply to AN Bolts (Jaybannist@cs.com)
8. 09:12 AM - Re: Nav antenna location? (Gig Giacona)
9. 09:21 AM - Re: Re: Nav antenna location? / 200 MPH (Carlos Sa)
10. 09:31 AM - Re: Re: Nav antenna location? / 200 MPH (Gary Boothe)
11. 11:01 AM - A series Continental (DAVID MILLER)
12. 11:16 AM - Re: odd and ends (Craig Payne)
13. 11:33 AM - Re: Re: Nav antenna location? / 200 MPH (NYTerminat)
14. 12:50 PM - He has come (Chris sinfield)
15. 12:50 PM - He has come (Chris sinfield)
16. 12:56 PM - Re: 200 MPH (Zed Smith)
17. 01:07 PM - Re: He has come (Carlos Sa)
18. 01:27 PM - Re: A series Continental (Wade Jones)
19. 01:31 PM - Re: A series Continental (Wade Jones)
20. 02:51 PM - Re: Tips (Phil Maxson)
21. 03:31 PM - Christmas Wishes - off topic (ZodieRocket)
22. 03:47 PM - Re: Labels and More (Tommy Walker)
23. 03:49 PM - Re: He has come (noel anderson)
24. 06:37 PM - Re: Torque force to apply to AN Bolts (JohnDRead@aol.com)
25. 07:49 PM - Re: Torque force to apply to AN Bolts (Jaybannist@cs.com)
26. 09:24 PM - Continental O-200 Engine mount point (Michel Therrien)
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| Subject: | Re: odd and ends |
Thanks, Bob. I actually had forgotten that.
Merry Christmas,
Ed
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From: nyterminat@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: odd and ends
Ed,
Save yourself the installation of the hobbs, the Tinytach has an hour
meter built in.
Bob Spudis
N701ZX/95hrs
do not archive
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Phil-
The HDS plans don't give you coordinates for laying out the tip
cuts- you're supposed to install the metal portion of the tip, then use
a marker taped to a stick to trace the cut line. This difference doesn't
warrant deleting your post.
My problem is, even though the job is behind me and turned out
better than reported by some listers, I'm suffering from "It could be
better still" remorse.
I decided to polish the majority of my project and trim paint only
the leading edges and wing tips. I don't see any way out of using a
couple of ounces of FiberFil to make things right in those areas. On the
other hand, I've seen Jeff Small's plane and he swears he used no filler
at all. I believe it all comes down to the quality of the individual
fiberglass tip. (That and not running the leading edge of your right
outboard into a doorknob!)
Aaron Gustafson custom made his tip to fit his project, as did Larry
Mac, and both are happy with the results. It would seem to me that
redesigning the fiberglass tip to be more forgiving during installation
would be the solution.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
I know this seems like a pain, and it did to me too when I was doing
it. However, when it's behind you, it's not as bad as it seems at the
time.
All this is based on the XL, assuming the HDS is a similar design. If
it is not, please delete now.
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thanks list for the info
i intend to use the enigma also, so there should be
plenty of room for the glove/food locker. i will use
the baggage area for my ice maker/camping gear and
have designed a removable, hydrolic controled exterior
pod for my selection of gloves and booties. (i
laughed outload after reading the baggage compartment
comment).
craig, i would like to suggest you replace your ASI
backup with an angle of attack gauge as you can
calibrate it using your primary asi for climb/cruise
settings, and if you use the system on 601.org, no
power requirements exist in the event of electrical
failure, and its likely cheaper.
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thanks again guys.
john butterfield
601XL corvair
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| Subject: | Torque force to apply to AN Bolts |
Hi guys,
I want to know if somebody have a short chart list of torque force to apply
to Steel Cadium plate bolt : AN3, AN4, AN5 and AN6 for general purpose.
Thanks again.
Merry Christmas and Happy new Year to all builders.
Christian Tremblay
A guy who build a CH640 aircraft from plan
http://www.zodiac640.com/
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| Subject: | Seat of the Pants Flying! |
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| Subject: | Torque force to apply to AN Bolts |
Christian,
Try this link and open chapter 07.pdf. Everything you ever wanted to know
about bolts and more.
Or do a search of AC 43.13-1B
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/99C827DB9BAAC81B86256B4500596C4E?OpenDocument
Merry Christmas every one.
Herb
>From: Christian Tremblay <cj.tremblay@videotron.ca>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Torque force to apply to AN Bolts
>Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 11:00:31 -0500
>
>
>Hi guys,
>
>I want to know if somebody have a short chart list of torque force to apply
>to Steel Cadium plate bolt : AN3, AN4, AN5 and AN6 for general purpose.
>Thanks again.
>
>Merry Christmas and Happy new Year to all builders.
>
>
>Christian Tremblay
>
>A guy who build a CH640 aircraft from plan
>
>http://www.zodiac640.com/
>
>
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| Subject: | Torque force to apply to AN Bolts |
Christian,
I got these values from Caleb at ZAC:
A3 - 20-25 in-lb
A4 - 50-70 in-lb
A5 - 100-140 in-lb
A6 - 150-190 in-lb
Merry Christmas! - Jay in Dallas
Christian Tremblay <cj.tremblay@videotron.ca> wrote:
>
>
>Hi guys,
>
>I want to know if somebody have a short chart list of torque force to apply
>to Steel Cadium plate bolt : AN3, AN4, AN5 and AN6 for general purpose.
>Thanks again.
>
>Merry Christmas and Happy new Year to all builders.
>
>
>
>Christian Tremblay
>
>A guy who build a CH640 aircraft from plan
>
>http://www.zodiac640.com/
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nav antenna location? |
Screw the antenna. How did you get to 200MPH?
bryanmmartin wrote:
> I have a home-made VOR antenna mounted on top of the rudder on my XL.
> I have test flown the plane to 200MPH and have seen no hint of
> flutter. The antenna is mounted just forward of the rudder spar, so
> the balance change in the rudder is minimal.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.[/quote]
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Nav antenna location? / 200 MPH |
probably on a vertical dive, no wings. :o)
do not archive
Carlos
On 24/12/06, Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@cox.net> wrote:
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> Screw the antenna. How did you get to 200MPH?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nav antenna location? / 200 MPH |
Close your eyes, push the stick and throttle forward, put your head between
your knees, kiss your a___ etc., etc..
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Nav antenna location? / 200 MPH
probably on a vertical dive, no wings. :o)
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Carlos
On 24/12/06, Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@cox.net> wrote:
Screw the antenna. How did you get to 200MPH?
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| Subject: | A series Continental |
Somewhere on the internet is a list that has a true A- series
Continental expert. I had it , but lost it. Anyone know where a list
might be?
Thanks
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>> i would like to suggest you replace your ASI backup with an angle of
attack gauge...
Now that is an interesting idea. I suppose I could share the probe between
the mechanical AOA gauge and the AOA inputs on the Enigma. I like having the
one in the Enigma because it will generate a voice alarm in an imminent
stall situation. But the simple differential pressure gauge would be a
fairly bomb-proof backup.
What is it like to fly an approach with an AOA indicator? Since all my
training is in conventional aircraft with no AOA I was trained to fly my
approach by the numbers (RPM, flaps, airspeed). With the AOA do you throttle
back and add flaps at the usual points and pitch for a given amount of lift
instead of pitching for a certain airspeed?
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Nav antenna location? / 200 MPH |
I think he took off his slats:-)
In a message dated 12/24/06 12:23:31 Eastern Standard Time, carlossa52@gmail.com
writes:
probably on a vertical dive, no wings. :o)
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Carlos
On 24/12/06, Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@cox.net> wrote:
Screw the antenna. How did you get to 200MPH?
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Ga Day fellow Zenithers
Due to the nature of a round globe and that contry to some, that the world does
not end at the US west coast. I can confirm that Santa has done a flyby in
his STOL plane and dropped off my new aeroflash strobes. Its Christmas day in
Australia and we are planning a BBQ (cookout, grill for others). In fact New Zealand
was the first to report in and so as dawn now rises, all the small and
bigger kids should have some smiles.
Merry Christmas to all
Chris
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Ga Day fellow Zenithers
Due to the nature of a round globe and that contry to some, that the world does
not end at the US west coast. I can confirm that Santa has done a flyby in
his STOL plane and dropped off my new aeroflash strobes. Its Christmas day in
Australia and we are planning a BBQ (cookout, grill for others). In fact New Zealand
was the first to report in and so as dawn now rises, all the small and
bigger kids should have some smiles.
Merry Christmas to all
Chris
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Obviously an example of proper VG placement.
Santa Claus utilizes this technology, too.
That's how he avoids the reindeer emissions during flight.
Best to all!!
Regards,
Zed/do not archive
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This is Chris' original text - which for me at least, does not show, unless
you look at the raw msg:
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Ga Day fellow Zenithers
Due to the nature of a round globe and that contry to some,
that the world does not end at the US west coast. I can confirm
that Santa has done a flyby in his STOL plane and dropped off my
new aeroflash strobes. Its Christmas day in Australia and we are
planning a BBQ (cookout, grill for others). In fact New Zealand
was the first to report in and so as dawn now rises, all the
small and bigger kids should have some smiles.
Merry Christmas to all
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: A series Continental |
Hi David ,I think you may be thinking of Harry Venton .Try the Fly Baby
site and you will find him . Wade
----- Original Message -----
From: DAVID MILLER
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 12:59 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: A series Continental
Somewhere on the internet is a list that has a true A- series
Continental expert. I had it , but lost it. Anyone know where a list
might be?
Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: A series Continental |
Sorry about the last post ,Should read Harry Fenton . Wade Do not
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----- Original Message -----
From: DAVID MILLER
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 12:59 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: A series Continental
Somewhere on the internet is a list that has a true A- series
Continental expert. I had it , but lost it. Anyone know where a list
might be?
Thanks
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I also bought some filler products, thinking I would use them and paint. I
also thought I couldn't polish my plane, since it had some dents and "smil
es" in the leading edges due to my poor handling of the leading edge skins.
Guess what. I didn't use any of the filler, and I polished it anyway.
Bill Clapp, KR2 and Corvair builder, started working on my smiles and dents
with a suction cup tool and worked out all the problems. When you polish
it up, you'd be surprised at how much people are overwhelmed with the shine
, and tend to ignore the little blemishes.
Don't get discouraged. It will all work out in the end and unless you real
ly butchered the tips, I bet you will be pleased with the polishing job. Y
ou won't be too happy will all the work it takes to get it polished though!
Phil Maxson601XL/CorvairNorthwest New Jersey
Phil-
The HDS plans don't give you coordinates for laying out the tip cuts- y
ou're supposed to install the metal portion of the tip, then use a marker t
aped to a stick to trace the cut line. This difference doesn't warrant dele
ting your post.
My problem is, even though the job is behind me and turned out better t
han reported by some listers, I'm suffering from "It could be better still"
remorse.
I decided to polish the majority of my project and trim paint only the
leading edges and wing tips.
<<SNIP>>
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Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger.
us
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| Subject: | Christmas Wishes - off topic |
For some of you Christmas Day has already arrived, for me it is still
Christmas eve, I am still able to look into the eyes of my children and
see the special light that only this time of year brings. For adults it
equals the days our planes are ready for their first flight. Ladies and
Gentlemen, Merry Christmas I hope you all get the chance to spend a
special moment during this time of year with a loved one. For those who
do not celebrate the Christmas season, please take my good wishes as a
token of friendship I feel especially blessed with during this season.
Merry Christmas All=85=85
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
HYPERLINK
"mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com
HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com
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12/24/2006 11:31 AM
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12/24/2006 11:31 AM
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| Subject: | Re: Labels and More |
Labelers and Lablees,
Thanks for the good suggestions. I really appreciate the tips.
A very Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you and your families.
Tommy Walker in Alabama
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:D
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Tommy Walker
Read this topic online here:
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Happy Christmas Chris...and to all listers and lurkers........from the
land of the "Long White Cloud" Kiwiland
Noel SAANZ SP2200
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos Sa
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: He has come
This is Chris' original text - which for me at least, does not show,
unless you look at the raw msg:
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Ga Day fellow Zenithers Due to the nature of a round globe and that
contry to some,
that the world does not end at the US west coast. I can confirm that
Santa has done a flyby in his STOL plane and dropped off my new
aeroflash strobes. Its Christmas day in Australia and we are planning a
BBQ (cookout, grill for others). In fact New Zealand
was the first to report in and so as dawn now rises, all the small and
bigger kids should have some smiles. Merry Christmas to all Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Torque force to apply to AN Bolts |
How much additional torque is needed for the self locking fasteners?
John Read
CH701 in Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Torque force to apply to AN Bolts |
John, I relayed the torque values I got from ZAC to the list. It is my understanding
that the high end of the range is sufficient for the nylock nuts. After
tightening a few of the AN-3 nuts with a torque wrench, I was surprised at
how little force is needed. Certainly less that I would have applied just by
"feel."
Jay in Dallas
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JohnDRead@aol.com wrote:
>How much additional torque is needed for the self locking fasteners?
>
>John Read
>CH701 in Colorado
>
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| Subject: | Continental O-200 Engine mount point |
Hello List,
Does anyone here has an easy access to a Continental
O-200 engine? I would like to know the spacing
between the two seats of the engine mount bushing
assemblies... or simpler, the thickness of the mount
point (the upper ones).
I bought a O-200 bushing kit to use with my Franklin
and I feel that the assembly is not tight enough.
Thanks!
Michel
PS: merry chrismas to all and all the best for 2007.
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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