---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/24/06: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:42 AM - Re: odd and ends (Edward Moody II) 2. 07:24 AM - Re: Tips (Bill Naumuk) 3. 07:59 AM - odd and ends (john butterfield) 4. 08:01 AM - Torque force to apply to AN Bolts (Christian Tremblay) 5. 08:31 AM - Seat of the Pants Flying! (Y - O) 6. 08:40 AM - Re: Torque force to apply to AN Bolts (Herbert Heaton) 7. 08:45 AM - Re: Torque force to apply to AN Bolts (Jaybannist@cs.com) 8. 09:12 AM - Re: Nav antenna location? (Gig Giacona) 9. 09:21 AM - Re: Re: Nav antenna location? / 200 MPH (Carlos Sa) 10. 09:31 AM - Re: Re: Nav antenna location? / 200 MPH (Gary Boothe) 11. 11:01 AM - A series Continental (DAVID MILLER) 12. 11:16 AM - Re: odd and ends (Craig Payne) 13. 11:33 AM - Re: Re: Nav antenna location? / 200 MPH (NYTerminat) 14. 12:50 PM - He has come (Chris sinfield) 15. 12:50 PM - He has come (Chris sinfield) 16. 12:56 PM - Re: 200 MPH (Zed Smith) 17. 01:07 PM - Re: He has come (Carlos Sa) 18. 01:27 PM - Re: A series Continental (Wade Jones) 19. 01:31 PM - Re: A series Continental (Wade Jones) 20. 02:51 PM - Re: Tips (Phil Maxson) 21. 03:31 PM - Christmas Wishes - off topic (ZodieRocket) 22. 03:47 PM - Re: Labels and More (Tommy Walker) 23. 03:49 PM - Re: He has come (noel anderson) 24. 06:37 PM - Re: Torque force to apply to AN Bolts (JohnDRead@aol.com) 25. 07:49 PM - Re: Torque force to apply to AN Bolts (Jaybannist@cs.com) 26. 09:24 PM - Continental O-200 Engine mount point (Michel Therrien) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:52 AM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: odd and ends Thanks, Bob. I actually had forgotten that. Merry Christmas, Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: nyterminat@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 12:17 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: odd and ends Ed, Save yourself the installation of the hobbs, the Tinytach has an hour meter built in. Bob Spudis N701ZX/95hrs do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:26 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tips Phil- The HDS plans don't give you coordinates for laying out the tip cuts- you're supposed to install the metal portion of the tip, then use a marker taped to a stick to trace the cut line. This difference doesn't warrant deleting your post. My problem is, even though the job is behind me and turned out better than reported by some listers, I'm suffering from "It could be better still" remorse. I decided to polish the majority of my project and trim paint only the leading edges and wing tips. I don't see any way out of using a couple of ounces of FiberFil to make things right in those areas. On the other hand, I've seen Jeff Small's plane and he swears he used no filler at all. I believe it all comes down to the quality of the individual fiberglass tip. (That and not running the leading edge of your right outboard into a doorknob!) Aaron Gustafson custom made his tip to fit his project, as did Larry Mac, and both are happy with the results. It would seem to me that redesigning the fiberglass tip to be more forgiving during installation would be the solution. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa I know this seems like a pain, and it did to me too when I was doing it. However, when it's behind you, it's not as bad as it seems at the time. All this is based on the XL, assuming the HDS is a similar design. If it is not, please delete now. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:07 AM PST US From: john butterfield Subject: Zenith-List: odd and ends thanks list for the info i intend to use the enigma also, so there should be plenty of room for the glove/food locker. i will use the baggage area for my ice maker/camping gear and have designed a removable, hydrolic controled exterior pod for my selection of gloves and booties. (i laughed outload after reading the baggage compartment comment). craig, i would like to suggest you replace your ASI backup with an angle of attack gauge as you can calibrate it using your primary asi for climb/cruise settings, and if you use the system on 601.org, no power requirements exist in the event of electrical failure, and its likely cheaper. do not archive thanks again guys. john butterfield 601XL corvair __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:24 AM PST US From: Christian Tremblay Subject: Zenith-List: Torque force to apply to AN Bolts Hi guys, I want to know if somebody have a short chart list of torque force to apply to Steel Cadium plate bolt : AN3, AN4, AN5 and AN6 for general purpose. Thanks again. Merry Christmas and Happy new Year to all builders. Christian Tremblay A guy who build a CH640 aircraft from plan http://www.zodiac640.com/ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:59 AM PST US From: "Y - O" Subject: Zenith-List: Seat of the Pants Flying! ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:37 AM PST US From: "Herbert Heaton" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Torque force to apply to AN Bolts Christian, Try this link and open chapter 07.pdf. Everything you ever wanted to know about bolts and more. Or do a search of AC 43.13-1B http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/99C827DB9BAAC81B86256B4500596C4E?OpenDocument Merry Christmas every one. Herb >From: Christian Tremblay >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Torque force to apply to AN Bolts >Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 11:00:31 -0500 > > >Hi guys, > >I want to know if somebody have a short chart list of torque force to apply >to Steel Cadium plate bolt : AN3, AN4, AN5 and AN6 for general purpose. >Thanks again. > >Merry Christmas and Happy new Year to all builders. > > >Christian Tremblay > >A guy who build a CH640 aircraft from plan > >http://www.zodiac640.com/ > > ><< image001.jpg >> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:11 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Torque force to apply to AN Bolts Christian, I got these values from Caleb at ZAC: A3 - 20-25 in-lb A4 - 50-70 in-lb A5 - 100-140 in-lb A6 - 150-190 in-lb Merry Christmas! - Jay in Dallas Christian Tremblay wrote: > > >Hi guys, > >I want to know if somebody have a short chart list of torque force to apply >to Steel Cadium plate bolt : AN3, AN4, AN5 and AN6 for general purpose. >Thanks again. > >Merry Christmas and Happy new Year to all builders. > > > >Christian Tremblay > >A guy who build a CH640 aircraft from plan > >http://www.zodiac640.com/ > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:01 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Nav antenna location? From: "Gig Giacona" Screw the antenna. How did you get to 200MPH? bryanmmartin wrote: > I have a home-made VOR antenna mounted on top of the rudder on my XL. > I have test flown the plane to 200MPH and have seen no hint of > flutter. The antenna is mounted just forward of the rudder spar, so > the balance change in the rudder is minimal. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.[/quote] -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=83388#83388 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:43 AM PST US From: "Carlos Sa" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Nav antenna location? / 200 MPH probably on a vertical dive, no wings. :o) do not archive Carlos On 24/12/06, Gig Giacona wrote: > > > Screw the antenna. How did you get to 200MPH? > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:56 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Nav antenna location? / 200 MPH Close your eyes, push the stick and throttle forward, put your head between your knees, kiss your a___ etc., etc.. Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, Tail done, wings done, working on c-section Do not archive _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 9:21 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Nav antenna location? / 200 MPH probably on a vertical dive, no wings. :o) do not archive Carlos On 24/12/06, Gig Giacona wrote: Screw the antenna. How did you get to 200MPH? ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:56 AM PST US From: "DAVID MILLER" Subject: Zenith-List: A series Continental Somewhere on the internet is a list that has a true A- series Continental expert. I had it , but lost it. Anyone know where a list might be? Thanks ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:16:51 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: odd and ends >> i would like to suggest you replace your ASI backup with an angle of attack gauge... Now that is an interesting idea. I suppose I could share the probe between the mechanical AOA gauge and the AOA inputs on the Enigma. I like having the one in the Enigma because it will generate a voice alarm in an imminent stall situation. But the simple differential pressure gauge would be a fairly bomb-proof backup. What is it like to fly an approach with an AOA indicator? Since all my training is in conventional aircraft with no AOA I was trained to fly my approach by the numbers (RPM, flaps, airspeed). With the AOA do you throttle back and add flaps at the usual points and pitch for a given amount of lift instead of pitching for a certain airspeed? -- Craig ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:48 AM PST US From: NYTerminat Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Nav antenna location? / 200 MPH I think he took off his slats:-) In a message dated 12/24/06 12:23:31 Eastern Standard Time, carlossa52@gmail.com writes: probably on a vertical dive, no wings. :o) do not archive Carlos On 24/12/06, Gig Giacona wrote: Screw the antenna. How did you get to 200MPH? ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:35 PM PST US From: Chris sinfield Subject: Zenith-List: He has come Ga Day fellow Zenithers Due to the nature of a round globe and that contry to some, that the world does not end at the US west coast. I can confirm that Santa has done a flyby in his STOL plane and dropped off my new aeroflash strobes. Its Christmas day in Australia and we are planning a BBQ (cookout, grill for others). In fact New Zealand was the first to report in and so as dawn now rises, all the small and bigger kids should have some smiles. Merry Christmas to all Chris __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:36 PM PST US From: Chris sinfield Subject: Zenith-List: He has come Ga Day fellow Zenithers Due to the nature of a round globe and that contry to some, that the world does not end at the US west coast. I can confirm that Santa has done a flyby in his STOL plane and dropped off my new aeroflash strobes. Its Christmas day in Australia and we are planning a BBQ (cookout, grill for others). In fact New Zealand was the first to report in and so as dawn now rises, all the small and bigger kids should have some smiles. Merry Christmas to all Chris __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:54 PM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: re: 200 MPH Obviously an example of proper VG placement. Santa Claus utilizes this technology, too. That's how he avoids the reindeer emissions during flight. Best to all!! Regards, Zed/do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:49 PM PST US From: "Carlos Sa" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: He has come This is Chris' original text - which for me at least, does not show, unless you look at the raw msg: __________________________ Ga Day fellow Zenithers Due to the nature of a round globe and that contry to some, that the world does not end at the US west coast. I can confirm that Santa has done a flyby in his STOL plane and dropped off my new aeroflash strobes. Its Christmas day in Australia and we are planning a BBQ (cookout, grill for others). In fact New Zealand was the first to report in and so as dawn now rises, all the small and bigger kids should have some smiles. Merry Christmas to all Chris ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:27:01 PM PST US From: "Wade Jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: A series Continental Hi David ,I think you may be thinking of Harry Venton .Try the Fly Baby site and you will find him . Wade ----- Original Message ----- From: DAVID MILLER To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 12:59 PM Subject: Zenith-List: A series Continental Somewhere on the internet is a list that has a true A- series Continental expert. I had it , but lost it. Anyone know where a list might be? Thanks ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:46 PM PST US From: "Wade Jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: A series Continental Sorry about the last post ,Should read Harry Fenton . Wade Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: DAVID MILLER To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 12:59 PM Subject: Zenith-List: A series Continental Somewhere on the internet is a list that has a true A- series Continental expert. I had it , but lost it. Anyone know where a list might be? Thanks ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:32 PM PST US From: Phil Maxson Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Tips I also bought some filler products, thinking I would use them and paint. I also thought I couldn't polish my plane, since it had some dents and "smil es" in the leading edges due to my poor handling of the leading edge skins. Guess what. I didn't use any of the filler, and I polished it anyway. Bill Clapp, KR2 and Corvair builder, started working on my smiles and dents with a suction cup tool and worked out all the problems. When you polish it up, you'd be surprised at how much people are overwhelmed with the shine , and tend to ignore the little blemishes. Don't get discouraged. It will all work out in the end and unless you real ly butchered the tips, I bet you will be pleased with the polishing job. Y ou won't be too happy will all the work it takes to get it polished though! Phil Maxson601XL/CorvairNorthwest New Jersey Phil- The HDS plans don't give you coordinates for laying out the tip cuts- y ou're supposed to install the metal portion of the tip, then use a marker t aped to a stick to trace the cut line. This difference doesn't warrant dele ting your post. My problem is, even though the job is behind me and turned out better t han reported by some listers, I'm suffering from "It could be better still" remorse. I decided to polish the majority of my project and trim paint only the leading edges and wing tips. <> _________________________________________________________________ Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger. us ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:34 PM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: Zenith-List: Christmas Wishes - off topic For some of you Christmas Day has already arrived, for me it is still Christmas eve, I am still able to look into the eyes of my children and see the special light that only this time of year brings. For adults it equals the days our planes are ready for their first flight. Ladies and Gentlemen, Merry Christmas I hope you all get the chance to spend a special moment during this time of year with a loved one. For those who do not celebrate the Christmas season, please take my good wishes as a token of friendship I feel especially blessed with during this season. Merry Christmas All=85=85 Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. HYPERLINK "mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com do not archive -- 12/24/2006 11:31 AM -- 12/24/2006 11:31 AM ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:57 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Labels and More From: "Tommy Walker" Labelers and Lablees, Thanks for the good suggestions. I really appreciate the tips. A very Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you and your families. Tommy Walker in Alabama Do Not Archive :D -------- Tommy Walker Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=83452#83452 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:53 PM PST US From: "noel anderson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: He has come Happy Christmas Chris...and to all listers and lurkers........from the land of the "Long White Cloud" Kiwiland Noel SAANZ SP2200 ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlos Sa To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: He has come This is Chris' original text - which for me at least, does not show, unless you look at the raw msg: __________________________ Ga Day fellow Zenithers Due to the nature of a round globe and that contry to some, that the world does not end at the US west coast. I can confirm that Santa has done a flyby in his STOL plane and dropped off my new aeroflash strobes. Its Christmas day in Australia and we are planning a BBQ (cookout, grill for others). In fact New Zealand was the first to report in and so as dawn now rises, all the small and bigger kids should have some smiles. Merry Christmas to all Chris ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:20 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Torque force to apply to AN Bolts How much additional torque is needed for the self locking fasteners? John Read CH701 in Colorado ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:36 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Torque force to apply to AN Bolts John, I relayed the torque values I got from ZAC to the list. It is my understanding that the high end of the range is sufficient for the nylock nuts. After tightening a few of the AN-3 nuts with a torque wrench, I was surprised at how little force is needed. Certainly less that I would have applied just by "feel." Jay in Dallas Do not archive JohnDRead@aol.com wrote: >How much additional torque is needed for the self locking fasteners? > >John Read >CH701 in Colorado > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:59 PM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Zenith-List: Continental O-200 Engine mount point Hello List, Does anyone here has an easy access to a Continental O-200 engine? I would like to know the spacing between the two seats of the engine mount bushing assemblies... or simpler, the thickness of the mount point (the upper ones). I bought a O-200 bushing kit to use with my Franklin and I feel that the assembly is not tight enough. Thanks! Michel PS: merry chrismas to all and all the best for 2007. ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.