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1. 12:00 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Terry Phillips)
2. 01:22 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (TxDave)
3. 03:23 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Clyde Barcus)
4. 03:41 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Rick R)
5. 04:07 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Trainnut01@aol.com)
6. 04:08 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Paul Mulwitz)
7. 04:41 AM - fuel fittings modification (john butterfield)
8. 04:46 AM - Re: fuel fittings modification (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
9. 05:09 AM - Steering rod through firewall seals for 701 (Mike Hoffman)
10. 05:22 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Edward Moody II)
11. 05:37 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Phil Maxson)
12. 05:49 AM - Re: fuel fittings modification (Bryan Martin)
13. 05:53 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Skip Perry)
14. 06:01 AM - Re: I messed up skinning my rudder (Bill Naumuk)
15. 06:07 AM - Re: I messed up skinning my rudder (Aaron Gustafson)
16. 06:10 AM - Re: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Wade Jones)
17. 06:13 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Bill Naumuk)
18. 06:20 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (n801bh@netzero.com)
19. 06:25 AM - Re: I messed up skinning my rudder (Gary Boothe)
20. 06:27 AM - Re: Steering rod through firewall seals for 701 (n801bh@netzero.com)
21. 06:32 AM - Re: Stick a fork in me- I'm done (Bill Naumuk)
22. 06:32 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Jaybannist@cs.com)
23. 06:40 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Noel Loveys)
24. 06:40 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Gary Boothe)
25. 06:40 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (William Dominguez)
26. 06:46 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Ron Lalonde)
27. 06:46 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (LarryMcFarland)
28. 06:46 AM - Re: does this need vg's? (billbutlergps@aim.com)
29. 06:53 AM - Steering rod boots - ceramic wool (Robin Bellach)
30. 06:55 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (billbutlergps@aim.com)
31. 07:06 AM - Re: Screw-up (Rich)
32. 07:11 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Neitzel)
33. 07:12 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Larry Winger)
34. 07:13 AM - Re: A/C for your ac (Trainnut01@aol.com)
35. 07:14 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (billbutlergps@aim.com)
36. 07:17 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED ()
37. 07:27 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (kkinney)
38. 07:38 AM - Re: A/C for your ac (Gig Giacona)
39. 07:39 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Gary Boothe)
40. 07:46 AM - Re: Screw-up (Gary Boothe)
41. 07:47 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Rich)
42. 08:00 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Richard Vetterli)
43. 08:05 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (David Mikesell)
44. 08:05 AM - Re: Screw-up (ernie)
45. 08:07 AM - Re: Screw-up (ernie)
46. 08:07 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Bill Steer)
47. 08:08 AM - Re: Re: A/C for your ac (Trainnut01@aol.com)
48. 08:08 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Michael Valentine)
49. 08:10 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Craig Payne)
50. 08:13 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Brandon Tucker)
51. 08:17 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (J Core)
52. 08:17 AM - Re: Steering rod through firewall seals for 701 (Dabusmith@aol.com)
53. 08:22 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (NameChanged ToProtectTheGuilty)
54. 08:27 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Bill Naumuk)
55. 08:29 AM - Re: Screw-up (Bill Naumuk)
56. 08:30 AM - Re: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Craig Payne)
57. 08:37 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (NYTerminat)
58. 08:46 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Todd Osborne)
59. 08:49 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Carlos Sa)
60. 08:56 AM - Re: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (billbutlergps@aim.com)
61. 08:59 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Bill Naumuk)
62. 09:05 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Craig Payne)
63. 09:10 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Randy L. Thwing)
64. 09:10 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Gary Boothe)
65. 09:18 AM - Re: fuel fittings modification (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
66. 09:28 AM - Re: I messed up skinning my rudder (Jerry Latimer)
67. 09:36 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (steve@cccparis.com)
68. 09:36 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Clyde Barcus)
69. 09:48 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Bill Naumuk)
70. 09:50 AM - Re: I messed up skinning my rudder (Bill Naumuk)
71. 09:53 AM - Re: Re: A/C for your ac (NYTerminat)
72. 10:08 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Mike)
73. 10:21 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
74. 10:21 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Tim Juhl)
75. 10:37 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (George Swinford)
76. 10:40 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Robert Schoenberger)
77. 10:55 AM - Re: fuel fittings modification (Dave Johnson)
78. 11:24 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (David Wright)
79. 12:02 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (David Downey)
80. 12:06 PM - SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Mike)
81. 12:07 PM - Re: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (David Downey)
82. 12:32 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Ron Culver)
83. 01:08 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Roger Venables)
84. 01:26 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Gig Giacona)
85. 01:28 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (crvsecretary@aol.com)
86. 01:34 PM - Re: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Bryan Martin)
87. 01:49 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (eedetail)
88. 01:55 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Dan)
89. 02:11 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Matt Stecher)
90. 02:31 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Tommy Walker)
91. 02:42 PM - Re: fuel fittings modification (Paul Mulwitz)
92. 03:16 PM - air compresser (Darrell Haas)
93. 03:19 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Jeff)
94. 03:46 PM - Re: air compresser (Paul Mulwitz)
95. 03:57 PM - sequence of kits (Darrell Haas)
96. 04:31 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (George Race)
97. 04:34 PM - Re: Steering rod boots - ceramic wool (n801bh@netzero.com)
98. 04:40 PM - Re: air compresser (George Race)
99. 04:56 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (JohnDRead@aol.com)
100. 05:13 PM - Re: fuel fittings modification (David Downey)
101. 06:20 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (John Bolding)
102. 06:26 PM - Re: sequence of kits (Tim Juhl)
103. 06:49 PM - Re: sequence of kits (Jaybannist@cs.com)
104. 06:57 PM - Re: Re: sequence of kits (Roger Venables)
105. 07:03 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Richard Harvey)
106. 07:11 PM - Re:Re:SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (MaxNr@aol.com)
107. 07:29 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (MElrod3732@aol.com)
108. 07:29 PM - SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED ()
109. 07:58 PM - Re: air compresser (Bill Cardell)
110. 08:17 PM - Re: air compresser (Craig Payne)
111. 11:28 PM - Re: I messed up skinning my rudder (Jon Burns)
112. 11:42 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Ron Lendon)
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
I am a retired chemical engineer and a student pilot.
At 10:08 PM 12/28/2006 -0800, you wrote:
>I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING?
Terry Phillips
ttp44~~at~~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
Just starting a 601 kit
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
Hey Dave,
I'm a psychiatric nurse at a large hospital. Some of my coworkers think I should
be a patient. I MUST be crazy to think I can build an airplane from scratch!
Right?
do not archive
Dave Clay
Temple, TX
http://www.daves601xl.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84164#84164
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
I spent the first half of my working career machining components on
lathes, milling machines and surface grinders, now I sell the same
components along with progressive dies.
Clyde Barcus
601 XL
Do Not Archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Ruddiman
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 12:08 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING
HOLES AND GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE
BUILDING, WANT TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO
ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN
OREGON. OF COURSE YOU CAN DELETE ME FOR ASKING AND MAYBE IT'S NONE OF
MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT KEY IS FOR. THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE
INTERESTING TO KNOW.
DAVE IN SALEM
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
Telecommunications industry at the present. That will most likely change very
soon through as our company just got bought out. Don't look for them to keep
an higher paid older dude around. We'll see.
Rick
Sharpsburg, GA. USA
http://www.n701rr.com
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
I own a small company that designs, builds and installs mobile air
conditioning systems for modern cars, light trucks, street rods, classic cars,
muscle
cars or any vehicle that the original builder did not equip with air.
Carroll Jernigan
Lenoir City TN
601XL Corvair (Wings)
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
Hi Dave,
I'm a retired guy. Had to quit work when I found out it was bad for my health.
Before retiring I did lots of different stuff. I did 8 years active
duty in the USAF including accounting and finance and computer
programming - missile targeting software and photo reconnaissance
equipment testing. Moved on to more computer programming in the
civilian world and some systems engineering. Switched from software
to computer hardware design and did that for a couple of decades -
mostly communications equipment like telephone switches and related stuff.
Now I just work on my plane, play poker, and fool around with the stock market.
Happy building,
Paul
XL fuselage
At 10:08 PM 12/28/2006, you wrote:
>WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING?
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| Subject: | fuel fittings modification |
hi list
i want to cut off some of the threads on one of my 90
degree fuel fitting exiting the fuel selector. i am
making the center consul more narrow and the left tank
fuel line restricts the width of it if i want the fuel
lines to be hidden. it looks like there is about 3/8
of an inch of thread showing after installation in the
fuel selector. i want to cut the end off the threads
so that it screws all the way into the selector. it
looks like it is a little tappered so i am wondering
if cutting off the end will be a problem.
regards
john butterfield
601XL, corvair
torrance, ca
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| Subject: | Re: fuel fittings modification |
I cut mine off about 1/8 and then cleaned the edge up and it worked fine.
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| Subject: | Steering rod through firewall seals for 701 |
I am having a problem figuring out the best way to seal where the steering rods
pass through the firewall on a 701. I tried building a shutter like the 601 use,
but not enough space. Didn't want to use the snowmobile boots because I wanted
something fire proof. I made plates to hold a piece of red rubber baffle
material on the engine side of the firewall, but the material I used was too thick.
Also I could only fasten it on 3 sides and would not seal very well. (I
think this might be the solution if I could find a better product). I am now thinking
about a whisker type material but unable to find any.
Has anybody already done this and have a better solution?
Mike H
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I'm a 53 year old general dentist. I practice in my childhood home town
with my oldest son. My second son is an electrical engineer for
Halliburton, and my daughter is an RN working ICU. Four grandkids ages 6
,3, 2, 1.5 swarming around. SEL rated since 1972. First build was an
Excalibur ultra-not-so-light.
Ed Moody II
Rayne, LA
601XL/Jabiru/flap motor
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| Subject: | SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
I'm a software development project manager for Mars, Inc. I've worked ther
e for 17 years. Very little I've learned there is of practical value to bu
ilding a plane!
Do Not ArchivePhil Maxson601XL/CorvairNorthwest New Jersey
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Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger.
us
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| Subject: | Re: fuel fittings modification |
If it's tapered pipe thread, cutting off the end probably won't help
much. The taper determines how far the fitting will thread into the
valve not the length. It probably won't hurt to try it. You might be
able to find a shorter 90 degree fitting, there are some designed for
tight places.
On Dec 29, 2006, at 7:39 AM, john butterfield wrote:
> <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
>
> hi list
>
> i want to cut off some of the threads on one of my 90
> degree fuel fitting exiting the fuel selector.
> i want to cut the end off the threads
> so that it screws all the way into the selector.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
I'm a middle school band director and I also play piano in bands at night. I
did a lot of street racing as a teenager in Alabama and built (and crashed)
many R/C model planes. So far I'm managing to keep my head above water with
this project!
Skip Perry
Fort Myers, Florida
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| Subject: | Re: I messed up skinning my rudder |
Jon-
You bet it's critical. If you let yourself slide now, you'll be in the
same boat as I was 4 months into my project- it took me a year and a half to
rebuild myself out of it.That was 3 years ago!
Any building that requires shims- SCREW THE SHIMS INTO YOUR TABLE AND
CLAMP THE ASSEMBLY. Movement is death.
Look on the bright side- you should be able to salvage most of the parts
and only have to make a few ribs. The HD DVD walks you through the entire
scratchbuild process. The refreshing thing for an instructional video is,
Jon and Mark screw up a couple of times themselves, but show you how to make
lemonades out of lemons.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Burns" <lsapilot@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 11:38 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: I messed up skinning my rudder
>
> Well, it seems that I was not as caerful as I thought when skinning my
> rudder. There is a twist... or it is flat on one side. I had the 3/4
> in block under the trailing edge, but it didn't turn out correctly. One
> side is flat, and the trailing edge is up 1 1/2 in on the flip side.
>
> Is this critical? What would be the issue with using the rudder as is, or
> do I need to order a new rudder?
>
> Thanks
> Jon
>
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| Subject: | Re: I messed up skinning my rudder |
Jon
Been there done that. I have 2 rudders, one for show and tell and one good
one on my 601. You might have 2 also! The second one goes so much better.
Aaron G do not archive
>> There is a twist... or it is flat on one side. I had the 3/4 in
> block under the trailing edge, but it didn't turn out correctly. One side
> is flat, and the trailing edge is up 1 1/2 in on the flip side.
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I have been retired from nuclear power generating for the last 15 years .I
am 73 years old ,been flying 45 years and have owned several airplanes
.Built a Sonerai in 1977that I still fly .Own a tripacer that I also fly off
my private airstrip .Flying is never cheap ,however in my case it's not so
bad as I live on my own strip and am rated as an AP/IA. Plans building a
601XL with a Cont. 0200 engine. Wade Jones South Texas
----- Original Message -----
From: "TxDave" <dclaytx2@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 3:20 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
>
> Hey Dave,
>
> I'm a psychiatric nurse at a large hospital. Some of my coworkers think I
> should be a patient. I MUST be crazy to think I can build an airplane from
> scratch! Right?
>
> do not archive
>
> Dave Clay
> Temple, TX
> http://www.daves601xl.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84164#84164
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
Dave-
I'm a Quality Engineer and Quality Manager for an injection molding
firm making parts to incredibly tight tolerances for the medical
industry. When I say incredibly tight, we have one 16 cavity mold that
we injection mold parts to plus/minus .000075, yet average a 7 percent
scrap rate. Think about that for a moment and you'll know why I get so
down on myself for not being able to keep a 2mm general tolerance. If I
were my employee and was that careless at work, I would have fired
myself long ago.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING?
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| Subject: | SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
I am currently a serial killer that stalks and murders any homebuilder t
hat tries to finish a kitplane. My last therapist was building a RV so h
e had to go.I do have a soft spot for humans that are trying to assemble
a Zenith kit though. I have been there, done that and now am a test pil
ot with large testicles..... <GGGGGGGGGGGG>. Jus kiddin...
Happy New Years guys...............................
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
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| Subject: | I messed up skinning my rudder |
Why not drill out the rivets, re-shim the pieces and switch to
A5's, if necessary? In fact, I have heard that merely re-shimming and
re-riveting often does the job. It's worth a try....
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Gustafson
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: I messed up skinning my rudder
<agustafson@chartermi.net>
Jon
Been there done that. I have 2 rudders, one for show and tell and one good
one on my 601. You might have 2 also! The second one goes so much better.
Aaron G do not archive
>> There is a twist... or it is flat on one side. I had the 3/4 in
> block under the trailing edge, but it didn't turn out correctly. One side
> is flat, and the trailing edge is up 1 1/2 in on the flip side.
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| Subject: | Re: Steering rod through firewall seals for 701 |
On my snowmobile boots, I packed them with a fireproof ceramic wool that
s like the stuff you wrap headers with. The stuff is very flexible and l
oads easily from the slot thats on the engine side of the firewall. If f
lames get past that I have MUCH bigger problems, such as the cowling is
burning by then... YMMV...
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Mike Hoffman" <mhoffman9@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
.com>
I am having a problem figuring out the best way to seal where the steeri
ng rods pass through the firewall on a 701. I tried building a shutter l
ike the 601 use, but not enough space. Didn't want to use the snowmobile
boots because I wanted something fire proof. I made plates to hold a pi
ece of red rubber baffle material on the engine side of the firewall, bu
t the material I used was too thick. Also I could only fasten it on 3 si
des and would not seal very well. (I think this might be the solution if
I could find a better product). I am now thinking about a whisker type
material but unable to find any.
Has anybody already done this and have a better solution?
Mike H
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| Subject: | Re: Stick a fork in me- I'm done |
Gary-
Not harder, smarter. Out of the 50 hours total, I spent 20 hrs and
$70.00 trying to find usable bonnets locally, then wasted another 15-20
hrs by not using enough compound. Once you get the hang of it, the same
job should realistically take 15-10 hrs total. Of course, you still
can't get away from getting yourself and everything you touch black, and
polishing is boring as hell.
FWIW, my Nuvite came from Brooklyn. Stuff was probably originally
formulated for cleaning up stolen silverware so no one could identify it
after you fenced it. One day, an enterprising soul decided to steal an
airplane, and the rest is history.
And that, dear friends, is how urban myths originate..........
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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From: Gary Boothe
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 7:58 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Stick a fork in me- I'm done
Bill,
Thanks for keeping us posted on the problems/progress. I'm still
leaning in that direction, too. I live about 3 hrs from Nuvite HQ in
Petaluma, CA and need to be in that neighborhood next week. Looks like a
visit is in order.
But, really, don't you think if you worked a little harder you would
get done faster? ;)
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 2:48 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Stick a fork in me- I'm done
All-
I told myself that today was the last day I was going to polish
the c-section. There are still parts to cut undersize and holes to drill
where they don't belong- this finish work doesn't suit me.
What you see is what 50 hrs of farting around will get you.
According to Ron at Nuvite, I can plan on at least another pass with
grade S, maybe one of C, too to get rid of shop rash. He doesn't know
the kind of shop rash I have to deal with. More like a gallon of body
putty and a major rebuild!
I WILL start on the rear fuse before vacation is over. I think I
can, I think I can.....
Good building!
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
Dave,
I am a semi-retired architect. I began my career about 45 years ago, but I haven't
really practiced architecture for the last 20 years or so. I mostly do schematic
design, bidding documents, project management, and general consulting.
My CAD abilities have really come in hand working out some of the problems
associated with airplane building (601XL): layout of the various plywood angled
templates, design of a work table and (reuseable supports), design of a cart
for storage of completed wings and tail parts, design of a new center console,
design of a top forward skin access panel, design of brackets for parking brake
valves, template for drilling axle/brakes to gear leg, design of plywood seat
panels, layout of instrument panel (about 15 iterations!), and a paint scheme,
just to name a few. CAD drawings also helped me explain to ZAC changes I
wanted to make. Obviously, wood working skills have also helped.
Probably more than you wanted to know, but now you know.
Jay in Dallas
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I spent a lot of years as a photographic technician. A severe
motorcycle
accident all but took me off my feet for a couple of years. I went back
to
technical school and took an electronics course with the idea of getting
into broadcasting. With the new FM transmitters there seems to be a
glut of
broadcast technicians. I was given the opportunity to do a three year
program in Aircraft Maintenance Engineering (Canada). I always had an
deep
interest in planes. My father owned several. I completed the course
close
to the head of my class and have been working on and off at local AMOs
since.
Flying is strictly a hobby.... I have a Kitfox III-A on floats and one
of
these days will start and finish a CH601, no doubt on amphibs..
Noel
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| Subject: | SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
Dave and All,
I was a plasterer for 27 years, mostly contracting, but now work as a Sales
Manager for a construction materials supplier in their Architectural
Products Division (plaster products). I officially cover California and
Nevada. I started flying in 1970 and had my first plane (Taylorcraft BC12D)
before my first car. Flying came to an end in 1984, for money reasons (that
was 'money', not 'many', though 'many' would also be appropriate), but I
tried to keep my hand in it by taking a year off to get an A&P Certificate
at Cheyenne Aerotech, that I never used.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ruddiman
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 10:09 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING HOLES AND
GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING,
WANT TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE
DO FOR A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. OF COURSE
YOU CAN DELETE ME FOR ASKING AND MAYBE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN
THAT'S WHAT THAT KEY IS FOR. THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW.
DAVE IN SALEM
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I still call myself a computer programmer, now it is called software engineer
after some other names came and went since the profession entered a period
of identity crisis. Ive been in doing this for 24 years, started when I was
18 years old.
Flew R/C planes for around 6 years with only one mayor crash (total airframe
loss) and one minor one (fixed and flown the following weekend).
William Dominguez
Plansbuild Zodiac 601XL
Miami, Florida
Dave Ruddiman <pacificpainting@comcast.net> wrote: I'M JUST SITTING
HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING HOLES AND GOT TO THINKING
ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING, WANT TO BUILD, OR
ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING?
I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. OF COURSE YOU CAN DELETE ME
FOR ASKING AND MAYBE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT KEY
IS FOR. THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW.
DAVE IN SALEM
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Hi Gang
Well, all you fellas seem to have pretty illustrious careers!!
Myself, I retired from the Air Force in 1995, and am now a janitor at a
small elementary school.
I previously built a Volksplane and have most of the major parts of a
LongEZ in my basement.
My son and I went to Oshkosh last summer and he fell in love with the Zenith
601XL, which I recently started building.
PS: With all you CAD people and programmers on board is there anyone of you
that have or know where I can obtain CAD templates for the form blocks of
the 601XL....contact me offlist...rlalonde@hotmail.com.....Tks
Ron Lalonde
Debert, Nova Scotia, Canada
601XL
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Hi Dave,
I'm recently retired from engineering design, having spent 16 years at
International Harvester and 28 years with the Department of Defense in
facilities engineering, material handling, weapons systems and military
vehicle maintenance tools and equipment.
The 601 was my third aircraft and the most fun to build. 38 years ago, I
built a Smith Miniplane biplane and 25 years ago
I built a Cougar-Tailwind with tri-gear and both are still flying with
new owners. I've always had a machine shop
that's been involved in design and fabrication, but mostly as a hobby.
Larry McFarland
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Dave Ruddiman wrote:
> I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING
> HOLES AND GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT
> ARE BUILDING, WANT TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS.
> WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING
> CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. OF COURSE YOU CAN DELETE ME FOR ASKING AND
> MAYBE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT KEY IS FOR.
> THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW.
>
> DAVE IN SALEM
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> *===========================================
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: does this need vg's? |
I got it on my end (original not yours).
Bill
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From: noelloveys@yahoo.ca
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 11:04 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: does this need vg's?
Graphic missing Do not archive Noel -----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of NYTerminat
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 12:07 AM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: does this need vg's?
WOULD YOU FLY ON THIS ?
Even though the Aeroscraft dwarfs the largest commercial airliners, it requires
less net space on the ground than any plane because it doesn't need a runway.
The airship takes off and lands like a helicopter: straight up and down.
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| Subject: | Steering rod boots - ceramic wool |
I'd like to pack my boots! What's it called, where to get it??
----- Original Message -----
From: n801bh@netzero.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Steering rod through firewall seals for 701
On my snowmobile boots, I packed them with a fireproof ceramic wool
thats like the stuff you wrap headers with. The stuff is very flexible
and loads easily from the slot thats on the engine side of the firewall.
If flames get past that I have MUCH bigger problems, such as the cowling
is burning by then... YMMV...
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Mike Hoffman" <mhoffman9@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
<mhoffman9@tampabay.rr.com>
I am having a problem figuring out the best way to seal where the
steering rods pass through the firewall on a 701. I tried building a
shutter like the 601 use, but not enough space. Didn't want to use the
snowmobile boots because I wanted something fire proof. I made plates to
hold a piece of red rubber baffle material on the engine side of the
firewall, but the material I used was too thick. Also I could only
fasten it on 3 sides and would not seal very well. (I think this might
be the solution if I could find a better product). I am now thinking
about a whisker type material but unable to find any.
Has anybody already done this and have a better solution?
Mike H
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Do you plan on putting AC in your 601? Being that I have been around ag aircraft
I saw quite a few Air Tractors that had AC in them. Some where powered off
the turbine but the best were powered by golf cart motors and were placed behind
the cabin.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Trainnut01@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
I own a small company that designs, builds and installs mobile air conditioning
systems for modern cars, light trucks, street rods, classic cars, muscle cars
or any vehicle that the original builder did not equip with air. Carroll Jernigan
Lenoir City TN 601XL Corvair (Wings) do not archive
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To repair my oops cut, the tax was $100 shipped to my door from Zenith. I
ordered a new part. They were fast a well!!
Rich
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Nine years Air Force and twenty four years air traffic controller (ARTCC
JAX and MSP). Retired in 96. The 701 is my second experimental.
While off topic, I recently had a computer go belly up and I lost a pile
of e mails from individuals on the list that I communicated with. There
was a builder in or near Chippewa Falls that I would like to get back in
touch with. If you are still on the list please e mail me off list,
thanks.
N962WB@frontiernet.net
Dick Neitzel
Sayner, WI
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I'm the CEO of a group of three ministries that start new churches, design
church campuses and lend to churches for construction and relocation (
www.provision.org). I was one checkride away from getting my private ticket
last year, and opted to build a plane first in order to build hours in my
own plane. My scratch-built 601XL is taking shape in my garage in Tustin,
CA (Orange County) and the tail section is complete.
Great question about our careers and life paths.
Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
601XL
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| Subject: | Re: A/C for your ac |
Bill
I looked at putting A/C on my RV but I just could not come up with a way to
justify the weight. That would be even harder to deal with on a 601. You know
Piper had some air conditioned Cherokees around 1970. They had aluminum York
compressors driven by the alternator belt and a condenser in the bottom of
the fuselage behind the wing. The condenser was extended into the slipstream by
and electric motor when the A/C was turned on. A switch on the throttle
turned off the compressor and retracted the condenser when pushed to maximum
power.
Carroll
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I have been involved in GPS / GIS for the over 12 years. I am currently employed
by the City of Wichita Falls. I haven't purchased a 701 as of yet but will.
My father (US Army retired Fixed Wing and Helicopter pilot, 22 years), My son
(6 years old and crazy about airplanes), Myself (45 years old and crazy) went
up to Oshkosh this summer (see enclosed pic). It was a great trip! Stopped by
Mexico MO. on the way back and took a flight in a 701 and that finalized my decision.
Now all it is a money thing and deciding on what power plant to go with.
I plan to fly out of Wichita Falls to our ranch 60 miles South on grass runways
and other short trips in this area. I hope that I can get going on this while
my father is still active and he could enjoy it even more than I. As for my
sons (6 years and 6 months), wife and myself I hope that we could enjoy the building
and flying for years to come.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: pacificpainting@comcast.net
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:08 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING HOLES AND
GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING, WANT
TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR
A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. OF COURSE YOU CAN DELETE
ME FOR ASKING AND MAYBE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT
KEY IS FOR. THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW. DAVE IN SALEM DO
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I am an OB/GYN physician but my undergraduate degree is in Aerospace administration.
Dennis
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I'm a sysprog on IBM zSeries boxes. (the big ones) I'm pretty sure that has something
to do with computers.
Oh, I code in a dozen or so languages and play with Unix systems. (More computer
stuff, I think.)
For fun, I play with CNC and microcontrollers, so I may be contacting some of you
off list.
Thank you for starting this thread. It helps to get to know some of our fellow
posters.
Regards,
Kevin Kinney
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And between 1978 and 1997 I flew in about 5 or 6 of those '70s vintage, air conditioned
Pipers and in not a single one of them the A/C worked.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84230#84230
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Look at that! A couple dozen responses to a simple question.and NO vitriol.
It just goes to show you that people LOVE to talk about themselves. A basic
sales principle - get the customer to talk freely about themselves, and you
can sell just about anything!
Anyone want to buy a slightly mis-cut rear spar for a 601HDS?
HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
DO NOT ARCHIVE
_____
Get into the holiday spirit, chatsites/santabot/default.aspx?locale=en-us'
target='_new'>Ho-Ho-Ho!
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Ernie,
I don=92t recall seeing too many responses to your question. I cut my
extrusions down to =BE=94 on my table saw ' really not a problem.
And, Yes, you could say that I am a =91hybrid=92 builder. I bought kits
for the
rudder, horiz.stabilizer, and wings. The rest will be scratch built.
Build one rib and you realize you can build just about anything.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
_____
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ernie
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Screw-up
Hi all,
I am wondering the source scratch builders are getting their 3/4 x 3/4 x
.093
Aluminum angle. Spruce has 3/4x3/4x1/8. I screwed up my elevator horn
doubler 6t3-6 by trimming off to much and was thinking that some raw
materials around the shop would be a good thing.
All this talk from the scratch builders has me thinking, that I should
be
able to recover from some mistakes that are simple. maybe a couple of
small
sheets or .040 and .032. To form some common parts.
Is there such a thing as a hybrid builder out there?
Thanks
Ernie.
Do not archive.
On 12/27/06, Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
Wade-
Deja vu all over again! That damned Z spar was my first "Oops part",
too! You should see how many entries in my builder's log start with
"Aaargh!
I can't believe I did it again!"
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary <mailto:gboothe@calply.com> Boothe
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:58 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Screw-up
Wade,
I had ordered wing kits and cut the wrong angle on my 2nd rear spar. I
thought life was over.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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Don not archive
Rich Simmons
I work for Nissan Motor Manufacturing in Middle Tennesee. We build Cars and
trucks.
I am in the Quality group and do dimensional studies on why parts don't fit.
Currently I use a 3D Laser Scanner and gather Point cloud data of a parts
shape and compare it to CAD.
Cool stuff if you like the world of 3d dimensioning.
I am a Jack of all trades and master of absolutely nothing. Graduated after
20 years from the school of hard knocks! Didn't get a degree but you know
them t-dhirtss they talk about? I have several of them!!
Happy New Years,
Rich
601 XL
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Deputy Coroner.
Rich Vetterli
N56DV (reserved)
601XL/Corvair
Finishing up left wing and working on engine.
__________________________________________________
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Hmmm, well now I work at aircraft mechanic/skydiving instructor/tandem
instructor. Retired Army Aviator, spent 8 years flying with the
preceeding 12 as a mechanic.
David Mikesell
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
----- Original Message -----
From: billbutlergps@aim.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
I have been involved in GPS / GIS for the over 12 years. I am
currently employed by the City of Wichita Falls. I haven't purchased a
701 as of yet but will. My father (US Army retired Fixed Wing and
Helicopter pilot, 22 years), My son (6 years old and crazy about
airplanes), Myself (45 years old and crazy) went up to Oshkosh this
summer (see enclosed pic). It was a great trip! Stopped by Mexico MO. on
the way back and took a flight in a 701 and that finalized my decision.
Now all it is a money thing and deciding on what power plant to go with.
I plan to fly out of Wichita Falls to our ranch 60 miles South on
grass runways and other short trips in this area. I hope that I can get
going on this while my father is still active and he could enjoy it even
more than I. As for my sons (6 years and 6 months), wife and myself I
hope that we could enjoy the building and flying for years to come.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: pacificpainting@comcast.net
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:08 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING
HOLES AND GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE
BUILDING, WANT TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO
ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN
OREGON. OF COURSE YOU CAN DELETE ME FOR ASKING AND MAYBE IT'S NONE OF
MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT KEY IS FOR. THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE
INTERESTING TO KNOW.
DAVE IN SALEM
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Hi,
I found out that the .093 are custom. I search the archives for .093, and
the use of 1/8 inch is
approved.
I just bought the wing kit. Wondering how hard it was for you building
fuselage from scratch?
How much do you think it cost you. I definitely could use the more money fo
r
the engine and instruments.
Ernie
On 12/29/06, Gary Boothe <gboothe@calply.com> wrote:
>
> Ernie,
>
>
> I don't recall seeing too many responses to your question. I cut my
> extrusions down to =BE" on my table saw ' really not a problem.
>
>
> And, Yes, you could say that I am a 'hybrid' builder. I bought kits for
> the rudder, horiz.stabilizer, and wings. The rest will be scratch built.
>
>
> Build one rib and you realize you can build just about anything.
>
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
> 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
> Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *ernie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 27, 2006 10:17 AM
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Zenith-List: Screw-up
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am wondering the source scratch builders are getting their 3/4 x 3/4 x
> .093
> Aluminum angle. Spruce has 3/4x3/4x1/8. I screwed up my elevator horn
> doubler 6t3-6 by trimming off to much and was thinking that some raw
> materials around the shop would be a good thing.
>
> All this talk from the scratch builders has me thinking, that I should be
> able to recover from some mistakes that are simple. maybe a couple of sma
ll
> sheets or .040 and .032. To form some common parts.
>
> Is there such a thing as a hybrid builder out there?
>
> Thanks
>
> Ernie.
>
> Do not archive.
>
> On 12/27/06, *Bill Naumuk* <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
>
> Wade-
>
> Deja vu all over again! That damned Z spar was my first "Oops part",
> too! You should see how many entries in my builder's log start with "Aaar
gh!
> I can't believe I did it again!"
>
>
> do not archive
>
> Bill Naumuk
> HDS Fuselage
> Townville, Pa
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Gary Boothe <gboothe@calply.com>
>
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:58 PM
>
> *Subject:* RE: Zenith-List: Screw-up
>
>
> Wade,
>
>
> I had ordered wing kits and cut the wrong angle on my 2nd rear spar. I
> thought life was over.
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List*
>
> *http://forums.matronics.com*
>
> *
>
> *
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> * *
>
> *
>
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Sorry list meant to send that to Gary only. Hate when I do that.
ernie
On 12/29/06, ernie <ernieth@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I found out that the .093 are custom. I search the archives for .093, and
> the use of 1/8 inch is
> approved.
>
> I just bought the wing kit. Wondering how hard it was for you building
> fuselage from scratch?
> How much do you think it cost you. I definitely could use the more money
> for the engine and instruments.
>
> Ernie
>
> On 12/29/06, Gary Boothe < gboothe@calply.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ernie,
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't recall seeing too many responses to your question. I cut my
> > extrusions down to =BE" on my table saw ' really not a problem.
> >
> >
> >
> > And, Yes, you could say that I am a 'hybrid' builder. I bought kits for
> > the rudder, horiz.stabilizer, and wings. The rest will be scratch built
.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Build one rib and you realize you can build just about anything.
> >
> >
> >
> > Gary Boothe
> > Cool, CA
> > 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
> > Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> > owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *ernie
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 27, 2006 10:17 AM
> > *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> > *Subject:* Re: Zenith-List: Screw-up
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am wondering the source scratch builders are getting their 3/4 x 3/4
x
> > .093
> > Aluminum angle. Spruce has 3/4x3/4x1/8. I screwed up my elevator horn
> > doubler 6t3-6 by trimming off to much and was thinking that some raw
> > materials around the shop would be a good thing.
> >
> > All this talk from the scratch builders has me thinking, that I should
> > be able to recover from some mistakes that are simple. maybe a couple o
f
> > small sheets or .040 and .032. To form some common parts.
> >
> > Is there such a thing as a hybrid builder out there?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Ernie.
> >
> > Do not archive.
> >
> > On 12/27/06, *Bill Naumuk* <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
> >
> > Wade-
> >
> > Deja vu all over again! That damned Z spar was my first "Oops part"
,
> > too! You should see how many entries in my builder's log start with "Aa
argh!
> > I can't believe I did it again!"
> >
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > Bill Naumuk
> > HDS Fuselage
> > Townville, Pa
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > * From:* Gary Boothe <gboothe@calply.com>
> >
> > *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> >
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:58 PM
> >
> > *Subject:* RE: Zenith-List: Screw-up
> >
> >
> >
> > Wade,
> >
> >
> >
> > I had ordered wing kits and cut the wrong angle on my 2nd rear spar. I
> > thought life was over.
> >
> > * *
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List*
> >
> > *
> > http://forums.matronics.com*
> >
> > *
> >
> > *
> >
> > * *
> >
> > * *
> >
> > * *
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *
> >
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> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
===========
> > http://forums.matronics.com
===========
> >
> > *
> >
> >
>
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I'm a semi-retired engineer who's been a computer programmer for the
last thirty years or so. I spent over 30 years with Westinghouse doing
nuclear power plant design. Then, after an involuntary retirement
(read: a bunch of older guys who were making too much money were laid
off), I went into software development full time. I now do programming
for a small company about half time.
My 601HD is the second plane I've built, and the most fun. The first
one was a Volksplane II that never flew. 90% done and 90% to go on the
601.
Bill Steer
Hendersonville, NC (formerly Boothbay, ME)
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| Subject: | Re: A/C for your ac |
The only one I ever saw work was brand new. Did you ever see one of the add
on units that used nitrogen from a storage tank, passed it through an
expansion valve and an evaporator and then vented it overboard?
Carroll
do not archive
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I am a prosecutor in Manchester, NH.
I got my ticket right after high school, but didn't pursue a career in
aviation. Thus, I gave up flying b/c it seemed too expensive as a mere
hobby. After bouncing around a bit I ended up in law school. Now my wife
and I both have decent jobs and no kids, so I decided it was time to get
back into flying. I got my flight review (fourteen year layoff and 5 hours
of instruction/review (?) - but I suppose I am about as safe as I was with a
new PPL when I was 18!!) and somehow decided that building a plane would be
a good idea. Not completely sure about that decision now, but I keep
plugging away and am looking forward to finishing some day. (I joined a
club in the meantime so I have something to fly.)
Michael in NH
601XL - finishing 2nd wing.
On 12/29/06, Dave Ruddiman <pacificpainting@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING HOLES
> AND GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING,
> WANT TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE
> DO FOR A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. OF COURSE
> YOU CAN DELETE ME FOR ASKING AND MAYBE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN
> THAT'S WHAT THAT KEY IS FOR. THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW.
>
> DAVE IN SALEM
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
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| Subject: | SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
>> CAD templates for the form blocks of the 601XL
These are only the rib templates:
DWG: www.ch601.org/resources/rib%20templates/Rib%20Template%20dwg.zip
PDF: www.ch601.org/resources/rib%20templates/Rib%20Template%20pdf.zip
DXF: www.ch601.org/resources/rib%20templates/Rib%20Template%20dxf.zip
The whole www.ch601.org site is worth a detailed read.
-- Craig
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I just got out of the military after 15 years. -6 as
a submarine mechanic and Navy diver, 6 as a pilot, and
3 as a college student. I was hired by General
Atomics to fly the Predator, but quit after a month.
-Currently negotiating a management position with GA.
I fly here one weekends:
http://barnstorming.com/
VR/
Brandon Tucker
601 HDS / td / Corvair
45 hours
__________________________________________________
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How do you check .000075 and at what temp ?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
Dave-
I'm a Quality Engineer and Quality Manager for an injection
molding firm making parts to incredibly tight tolerances for the medical
industry. When I say incredibly tight, we have one 16 cavity mold that
we injection mold parts to plus/minus .000075, yet average a 7 percent
scrap rate. Think about that for a moment and you'll know why I get so
down on myself for not being able to keep a 2mm general tolerance. If I
were my employee and was that careless at work, I would have fired
myself long ago.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING?
DO NOT ARCHIVE
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Steering rod through firewall seals for 701 |
On my snowmobile boots, I packed them with a fireproof ceramic wool thats
like the stuff you wrap headers with. The stuff is very flexible and loads
easily from the slot thats on the engine side of the firewall. If flames get past
that I have MUCH bigger problems, such as the cowling is burning by then...
YMMV...Ben Haas
I can only imagine the monster snowmobile you drive Ben!
I used the thin red silicone coated fiberglass cloth. I am sure I could have
sewn it better. It is holding up pretty well, but I have had to paint some
red RTV over some small tears a couple of times. I have had problems with the
left nose wheel steering rod wanting to bend. It is due to having to stand on
the brakes during mag checks. I have straightened it a couple of times. I
dare not straighten it again. I plan to use 4130 tubing with internal threads
cut for the male rod ends. Any better ideas?
Dave Smith
N701XL 608hrs
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> WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING?
I am a freshwater sponge diver. When not doing that or working on my
machine, I am a buggy whip maker to the rich & famous.
Sincerely,
NameChangeTo ProtectTheGuilty
Very do not archive
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Rich-
A fellow CMM jockey AND a homebuilder! Stay in touch off-list- there
can't be too many more of us around!
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Rich
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
Don not archive
Rich Simmons
I work for Nissan Motor Manufacturing in Middle Tennesee. We build
Cars and trucks.
I am in the Quality group and do dimensional studies on why parts
don't fit. Currently I use a 3D Laser Scanner and gather Point cloud
data of a parts shape and compare it to CAD.
Cool stuff if you like the world of 3d dimensioning.
I am a Jack of all trades and master of absolutely nothing. Graduated
after 20 years from the school of hard knocks! Didn't get a degree but
you know them t-dhirtss they talk about? I have several of them!!
Happy New Years,
Rich
601 XL
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Ernie-
Happens all the time.
Do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: ernie
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Screw-up
Sorry list meant to send that to Gary only. Hate when I do that.
ernie
On 12/29/06, ernie <ernieth@gmail.com > wrote:
Hi,
I found out that the .093 are custom. I search the archives for
.093, and the use of 1/8 inch is
approved.
I just bought the wing kit. Wondering how hard it was for you
building fuselage from scratch?
How much do you think it cost you. I definitely could use the more
money for the engine and instruments.
Ernie
On 12/29/06, Gary Boothe < gboothe@calply.com> wrote:
Ernie,
I don't recall seeing too many responses to your question. I cut
my extrusions down to =BE" on my table saw ' really not a problem.
And, Yes, you could say that I am a 'hybrid' builder. I bought
kits for the rudder, horiz.stabilizer, and wings. The rest will be
scratch built.
Build one rib and you realize you can build just about anything.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ernie
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 10:17 AM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Screw-up
Hi all,
I am wondering the source scratch builders are getting their 3/4 x
3/4 x .093
Aluminum angle. Spruce has 3/4x3/4x1/8. I screwed up my elevator
horn doubler 6t3-6 by trimming off to much and was thinking that some
raw materials around the shop would be a good thing.
All this talk from the scratch builders has me thinking, that I
should be able to recover from some mistakes that are simple. maybe a
couple of small sheets or .040 and .032. To form some common parts.
Is there such a thing as a hybrid builder out there?
Thanks
Ernie.
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On 12/27/06, Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
Wade-
Deja vu all over again! That damned Z spar was my first "Oops
part", too! You should see how many entries in my builder's log start
with "Aaargh! I can't believe I did it again!"
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Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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From: Gary Boothe
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:58 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Screw-up
Wade,
I had ordered wing kits and cut the wrong angle on my 2nd rear
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> WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING?
I am a freshwater sponge diver. When not doing that or working on my
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I am a retired General Contractor who does missionary building projects for several
organizations.
Bob Spudis, Upstate NY
In a message dated 12/29/06 01:10:02 Eastern Standard Time, pacificpainting@comcast.net
writes:
I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING HOLES AND GOT
TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING, WANT TO
BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A
LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. OF COURSE YOU CAN DELETE
ME FOR ASKING AND MAYBE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT
KEY IS FOR. THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW.
DAVE IN SALEM
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I am also a computer programmer, been doing that since the 70's,
professionally for 17 years now. I live just outside of Madison, WI but work
for a resort in Orlando, FL so I travel down there a lot. I am the world
slowest airplane builder.
Todd Osborne
Internet E-Mail: todd@toddtown.com
Skype: toddmosborne
Web Site: www.toddtown.com
MSN (Windows) Messenger: todd@toddtown.com
Yahoo! Messenger: ToddMOsborne
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Hello, Dave, listers
Dave, thanks for starting this thread, it is fascinating reading!
Many winters ago, while I was on my second year of Electrical Engineering, I got
a part time job as computer programmer.
I did get my degree in Electrical Engineering, but have been in IT since then (1972).
I worked as a System Programmer on zSeries since they were called simply /370,
and eventually (8 years ago) got the job I have today. It consists of creating
service offerings for outsourcing IT services.
I work from home about 50% of the time, and the rest of the time I work wherever
the client's head office is (frequently Toronto).
Happy New Year to all!
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
Montreal, Canada
> "pacificpainting(at)comcas"... WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? I'M A
COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. ...
>
> DAVE IN SALEM
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Craig,
You beat me to it =:-)
Bill
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N61601: you can run but you can not hide: http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=61601 -- Craig
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Subject: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
> WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING?
I am a freshwater sponge diver. When not doing that or working on my machine,
I am a buggy whip maker to the rich & famous.
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J-
Per customer specification, laser mike calibrated to .00003 with XXX
gage pins, average of 16 readings on the critical diameter. Part spec is
plus/minus .0001, we flag at 75% and make adjustments. Atmosphere
environmentally controlled to 70 deg plus/minus 2, 30 deg RH plus/minus
3. 1 hour stabilization period before measurement. (4 hours after
shutdown of environmental controls or laser mike).
I know what you're thinking- in reality, you can't keep that kind of
tolerance in plastic. The customer obviously built in a slop factor to
meet his true requirements. Still, you have to admit that's disgustingly
tight. That's why I make the big bucks. Hah!
You can imagine the fights we've had over the years between process
engineering and QA. It wasn't until we recently designed and built a
custom chuck for the laser mike that everyone involved didn't cringe
when this job started up!
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: J Core
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
How do you check .000075 and at what temp?
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So I think we are all covered. We have CAD folks, engineers, skilled
machinists and painters, people who know GPS and ATC.
We have way too many computer people but we can start working on the
fly-by-wire 601.
A few folks on the list actually make a living in aviation (or are trying)!
And if things don't quite work out we have nurses, doctors, dentists,
lawyers, coroners, church folk and a band director for music at the funeral
:-)
-- Craig
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We are a manufacturer of Brass Padlocks. We are the largest padlock
manufacturer West of the Mississippi (easy when you are the ONLY one in
the West). We are also the World's smallest padlock manufacturer.
www.newstandardpadlocks.com
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas
WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING?
DAVE IN SALEM
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I use the same controls in my shop (garage) - just different numbers..
Gary
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
J-
Per customer specification, laser mike calibrated to .00003 with XXX
gage pins, average of 16 readings on the critical diameter. Part spec is
plus/minus .0001, we flag at 75% and make adjustments. Atmosphere
environmentally controlled to 70 deg plus/minus 2, 30 deg RH plus/minus 3. 1
hour stabilization period before measurement. (4 hours after shutdown of
environmental controls or laser mike).
I know what you're thinking- in reality, you can't keep that kind of
tolerance in plastic. The customer obviously built in a slop factor to meet
his true requirements. Still, you have to admit that's disgustingly tight.
That's why I make the big bucks. Hah!
You can imagine the fights we've had over the years between process
engineering and QA. It wasn't until we recently designed and built a custom
chuck for the laser mike that everyone involved didn't cringe when this job
started up!
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: J Core <mailto:eroc@bright.net>
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
How do you check .000075 and at what temp?
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If you cut it off it will go in further.
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I had the same problem at the rudder workshop and Roger at ZAC did exactly
what Gary suggests except we were able to use A4 rivets. The rudder came
out fine.
Jerry Latimer
601 HDS 912
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 7:24 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: I messed up skinning my rudder
Why not drill out the rivets, re-shim the pieces and switch to
A5's, if necessary? In fact, I have heard that merely re-shimming and
re-riveting often does the job. It's worth a try....
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Gustafson
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: I messed up skinning my rudder
<agustafson@chartermi.net>
Jon
Been there done that. I have 2 rudders, one for show and tell and one good
one on my 601. You might have 2 also! The second one goes so much better.
Aaron G do not archive
>> There is a twist... or it is flat on one side. I had the 3/4 in
> block under the trailing edge, but it didn't turn out correctly. One side
> is flat, and the trailing edge is up 1 1/2 in on the flip side.
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I'm a counselor and a minister building a new church, scratch building my 701
keeps me sane keeps me sane keeps me sane keeps me sane. . .
Steve Russell
701 scratch
Paris, TX
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> I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING HOLES AND
GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING, WANT
TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR
A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. OF COURSE YOU CAN
DELETE ME FOR ASKING AND MAYBE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT
THAT KEY IS FOR. THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW.
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I know your pain, we sell carbide seal faces that must be within two
light-bands in flatness. Occasionally we have a problem with customers
that don't have the quality of equipment we have, I know you understand
our pain.
Clyde Barcus
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
J-
Per customer specification, laser mike calibrated to .00003 with
XXX gage pins, average of 16 readings on the critical diameter. Part
spec is plus/minus .0001, we flag at 75% and make adjustments.
Atmosphere environmentally controlled to 70 deg plus/minus 2, 30 deg RH
plus/minus 3. 1 hour stabilization period before measurement. (4 hours
after shutdown of environmental controls or laser mike).
I know what you're thinking- in reality, you can't keep that kind
of tolerance in plastic. The customer obviously built in a slop factor
to meet his true requirements. Still, you have to admit that's
disgustingly tight. That's why I make the big bucks. Hah!
You can imagine the fights we've had over the years between
process engineering and QA. It wasn't until we recently designed and
built a custom chuck for the laser mike that everyone involved didn't
cringe when this job started up!
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: J Core
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
How do you check .000075 and at what temp?
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Gary-
What's the big deal? I get paid triple time for regurgitating this
information on my vacation, don't I?
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Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 12:09 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
I use the same controls in my shop (garage) - just different numbers..
Gary
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:59 AM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
J-
Per customer specification, laser mike calibrated to .00003 with
XXX gage pins, average of 16 readings on the critical diameter. Part
spec is plus/minus .0001, we flag at 75% and make adjustments.
Atmosphere environmentally controlled to 70 deg plus/minus 2, 30 deg RH
plus/minus 3. 1 hour stabilization period before measurement. (4 hours
after shutdown of environmental controls or laser mike).
I know what you're thinking- in reality, you can't keep that kind
of tolerance in plastic. The customer obviously built in a slop factor
to meet his true requirements. Still, you have to admit that's
disgustingly tight. That's why I make the big bucks. Hah!
You can imagine the fights we've had over the years between
process engineering and QA. It wasn't until we recently designed and
built a custom chuck for the laser mike that everyone involved didn't
cringe when this job started up!
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: J Core
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
How do you check .000075 and at what temp?
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Did I miss something, or was the crease edge on the wrong side?
No big deal- just tell everyone you're building a Mooney.
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Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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Had a 81 Piper Saratoga that had the air conditioner, worked well
Bob Spudis
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In a message dated 12/29/06 10:40:10 Eastern Standard Time, wr.giacona@cox.net
writes:
And between 1978 and 1997 I flew in about 5 or 6 of those '70s vintage, air conditioned
Pipers and in not a single one of them the A/C worked.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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Own & operate a commercial real estate management company.
Volunteer for search & rescue team.
Drummer in several bands.
Trying to finish this damn plane, but not enough time. :)
Mike Fortunato
601XL, Jab 3300
Alta Loma, CA
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Hi Dave, Great question.
I'm retired now, army aviation civilian specialist for QA, maintenance,
logistics & program management.
Along the way was a navy AC structural mechanic, Air Guard AC mechanic &
Maintenance Ofcr.
Some where in there was an AC maintenance engr. with MAC AIR in Saint Louis,
fast airplanes.
Fastest AC project was the B-70, hydraulic power systems, Vickers Aerospace.
Slowest AC project is the Z 701 living in my workshop.
Stay interested through the EAA, Tech Councelor,,,fabric covering instruction
at Osh in 06,,, and the Zenith builder list. A&P just for fun. Thanks, and
bless us builders one and all.
Jerry
Lake Saint Louis, MO
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I retired from teaching high school biology and chemistry after 34 years (2005.)
I've been flying since 1975 and am a CFII. I've owned a 172, 182 and Aeronca
Champ (still have the Champ.) The XL is my first attempt at homebuilding.
I'm also partners in a small video production business that specializes in producing
videos on shipwrecks in the Great Lakes and elsewhere. We currently use
Sony High Def cameras in UW housings and get some great stuff, even the occasional
airplane!
Tim
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Working on wings
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Dave:
I was an aeronautical engineer for 38 plus years. I worked as a design
engineer for Cessna, McDonnell, and retired after 29 years with Boeing.
Between Mac and Boeing I spent 4 1/2 years helping to design and develop
the Skyway AC-35 autogiro. This was the last such aircraft to
legitimately use the designation "autogiro". All since are autogyros or
gyroplanes. I am currently taking way too long to finish my 601HD.
George Swinford
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----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Ruddiman
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 10:08 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING
HOLES AND GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE
BUILDING, WANT TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO
ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN
OREGON. OF COURSE YOU CAN DELETE ME FOR ASKING AND MAYBE IT'S NONE OF
MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT KEY IS FOR. THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE
INTERESTING TO KNOW.
DAVE IN SALEM
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This is a fun question for the holidays, and everyone is in a good
mood. I graduated in civil engineering in the late fifties and got my
PE license. I started with a consulting engineering firm which designed
subdivisions and other land related projects. After attending planning
board meetings 3 to 4 mights a week for 17 years, I sold my interests in
the firm and started in land brokerage which I still occasionally do.
Early in this second career I backed into upscale homebuilding which I
did for 25 years, quiting that about 2 years ago. Now my wife and I
just buy and develop land which is a real joy. We also have purchased
34 acres and plan to build a home thereon. The hanger is already done.
I have the big boy's toys like a dozer, etc. Any day one can drive a
dozer or drive around in a pickup looking for land is a good day. 43
years old and trapped in a 70 year old body - I only have 30 good ones
left. Everyone have a quality new year. Robert Schoenberger,
Pittsford, NY 701 60% do not archive.
Dave Ruddiman wrote:
> I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING
> HOLES AND GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT
> ARE BUILDING, WANT TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS.
> WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING
> CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. OF COURSE YOU CAN DELETE ME FOR ASKING AND
> MAYBE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT KEY IS FOR.
> THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW.
>
> DAVE IN SALEM
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: fuel fittings modification |
I didn't catch the start of that thread - that sounds like very painful
advice!
(sorry - I guess it's Brit. sense of humour!)
Dave Johnson
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If you cut it off it will go in further.
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Craig
Add to the list a 30 year detective, who could take his pension in
March - but has two high maintenance daughters who will ensure he
keeps working!!!
Dave
601XL - scratchbuild wings
Washington UK
On 29 Dec 2006, at 17:04, Craig Payne wrote:
> So I think we are all covered. We have CAD folks, engineers,
> skilled machinists and painters, people who know GPS and ATC.
>
> We have way too many computer people but we can start working on
> the fly-by-wire 601.
>
> A few folks on the list actually make a living in aviation (or are
> trying)!
>
> And if things don't quite work out we have nurses, doctors,
> dentists, lawyers, coroners, church folk and a band director for
> music at the funeral :-)
>
> -- Craig
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Hi Ron;
I am still trying to make the decision between the XL and a RV9! If I do go the
XL route, I will be reversing the entire design into CAD - that is just the
way I like to work; it is a virtual build that really exposes questions before
chips start to fall.
If you are still looking then and I do go that way I would be glad to send you
the templates for the form blocks. When I do the development of the patterns
I will be putting the springback corrections in per the Boeing design handbook
values for 6061T6 sheet.
Has anyone used T4 for the formed parts? Seems like there might be a major advantage.
Ron Lalonde <rlalonde@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
Hi Gang
Well, all you fellas seem to have pretty illustrious careers!!
Myself, I retired from the Air Force in 1995, and am now a janitor at a
small elementary school.
I previously built a Volksplane and have most of the major parts of a
LongEZ in my basement.
My son and I went to Oshkosh last summer and he fell in love with the Zenith
601XL, which I recently started building.
PS: With all you CAD people and programmers on board is there anyone of you
that have or know where I can obtain CAD templates for the form blocks of
the 601XL....contact me offlist...rlalonde@hotmail.com.....Tks
Ron Lalonde
Debert, Nova Scotia, Canada
601XL
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Own & operate a commercial real estate management company.
Volunteer for search & rescue team.
Drummer in several bands.
Trying to finish this damn plane, but not enough time. :)
Mike Fortunato
601XL, Jab 3300
Alta Loma, CA
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It might be a useful thing to have a set of form blocks milled from aluminum that
could be shared between the continuing strinjg of scratch builders.
I'm a sysprog on IBM zSeries boxes. (the big ones) I'm pretty sure that has something
to do with computers.
Oh, I code in a dozen or so languages and play with Unix systems. (More computer
stuff, I think.)
For fun, I play with CNC and microcontrollers, so I may be contacting some of you
off list.
Thank you for starting this thread. It helps to get to know some of our fellow
posters.
Regards,
Kevin Kinney
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Harleysville (SE) PA
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After a stint in the US Army as a Hospital Lab Tech most of the time in
Germany I finished my Bachelors at SUNY Albany.
Taught, 3 years teaching high school in Endicott NY
Two years at a middle school in Niskayuna,NY ...
When Sputnik went up the NSF paid for me to get a Masters at Duke in
Durham,NC..
The last 25 years was spent teaching Biology and Ecology at HVCC ( a
community college) Troy,NY.
After I retired I built a geodesic Dome from scratch except for the
steel hubs..
I got the airplane bug late in life after flying a WW2 flight sim (
Warbirds)
going to OshKosh and seeing the warbirds : the Zero,Spitfire,P-51's etc
etc... and a TBM similar to that my bro flew in WW2 I got the bug!
Now I have belonged to The EAA and the AOPA for over 5 years and God
willing hope to finish my scratch built ( early stages heh) 701 before I
am too old to fly it.. I do have a MiniMax but need a two seater for my
lovely Mimi to share the fun!
Sorry to be so long but this is OT eh? 8^)
Ron Culver ( 72 in a month or so )
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From: David Wright
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
Craig
Add to the list a 30 year detective, who could take his pension in
March - but has two high maintenance daughters who will ensure he keeps
working!!!
Dave
601XL - scratchbuild wings
Washington UK
On 29 Dec 2006, at 17:04, Craig Payne wrote:
So I think we are all covered. We have CAD folks, engineers, skilled
machinists and painters, people who know GPS and ATC.
We have way too many computer people but we can start working on the
fly-by-wire 601.
A few folks on the list actually make a living in aviation (or are
trying)!
And if things don't quite work out we have nurses, doctors,
dentists, lawyers, coroners, church folk and a band director for music
at the funeral :-)
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I'm a software developer
Roger
Kenmore, WA
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ruddiman
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 10:09 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING HOLES AND
GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING,
WANT TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE
DO FOR A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. OF COURSE
YOU CAN DELETE ME FOR ASKING AND MAYBE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN
THAT'S WHAT THAT KEY IS FOR. THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW.
DAVE IN SALEM
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COO of a small Professional Employer Organization. We outsource payroll and Human
Resource Services for small businesses.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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Hello Listers:
Looks like I'm the underachiever of the bunch - I'm a Technical Service Specialist
for a company that manufactures tankless electric water heaters.
After a 30 year career in Graphic Arts - from printing press operator to field
service to tech support specialist - I was downsized as the domestic graphic arts
machinery imploded here in the Northeast. I worked for a year as a Project
Administrator for a company that manufactures airport lighting. Yes, I know
more about MIRL, HIRL, MALSR, ODALS, REILS, (is that enough acronyms for you????)
beacons, windsocks, obstruction lighting and airport signs than anyone should
need to know. When they started with layoffs I was getting out on my schedule,
not thiers!
I finished my BS in Management 4 months ago (yes, I know - late bloomer) after
an AS in Manufacturing Engineering Technology. I love to learn.
Happy New Year everyone!
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
601XL kits -N458XL (reserved)
tail complete - wings 25%
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From: pacificpainting@comcast.net
Sent: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 1:08 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING HOLES AND GOT
TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING, WANT TO
BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A
LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. OF COURSE YOU CAN DELETE
ME FOR ASKING AND MAYBE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT
KEY IS FOR. THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW.
DAVE IN SALEM
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Robot programmer and retired naval reservist (avionics technician).
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Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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Another Cad jockey here - I am a structural steel detailer, my firm makes shop
drawings of steel skeletons for buildings.
I bought my 601HD used, maybe if I ever retire I'll build my own.
TimE
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Semi-retired water manager. Started with hang gliders in 1970,
ultralights since 1990 and now a newly minted Sport Pilot. Building a 701.
Dan Wilde
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My turn,
I am a 39 year old Naval Architect with an offshore engineering company,
based in Houston, but with offices around the world. This is as close as I
could get to yacht design and still make a living. Mostly I push a computer
around my desk with design and stability tasks for our FPSO (Floating,
Production, Storage & Offloading) conversions. We take big tankers (VLCC
class) and moor them offshore above a sub sea field and take on crude,
refine it, and spit it into shuttle tankers that come along to collect it.
I also designed oilfield equipment for two years, animal cages for a few and
worked with Rockwell at NASA as a cad drafter for awhile.
My affair with flying also began later than some. I have been excited about
flying for about 10 years, but have not been able to due to money. 7 years
ago I started flight training and that lasted for about 4 hours before I
figured out that I still could not afford it. Than last year the bug really
bit and I now have about 15 hours.
I have always been enamored with homebuilts as well. The cozy's and
longez's really catch my eye, but I really dislike working with messy
composites so they were out. It took William Wynne and his Corvair work to
finally convince me that I could afford it. The XL and Corvair seem to be a
perfect match and well within my abilities.
I have not really started but have everything collected that I need to begin
the tail. I am enjoying meeting the folks by email and in person who have
"been there and done that".
Having a blast in Houston,
Happy Newyear
Matt
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Born 1/27/1943. @ Knoxville, TN.
USAF 1961-1965 Aircraft Mechanic (APG) C-130 Hurcules.
Currently live in Anniston, AL.
Educated beyond my intelligence
School Teacher, etc....
Retired 1996.
Second Career http://www.sti-k12.com for 9 years.
Retired 2nd time. Now independent Contractor, installing K-12 Admin Systems and
training users.
First flight in J3 Cub in 1956.
Co-owned 1959 Cessna 175, sold it in 2004.
Let medical lapse.
Begin building N8701 in August 2004. Rotax 912ULS
I'm a better reader than builder, but we're getting there.
Met some of the greatest folks here on the Zenith list.
Tommy Walker in Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: fuel fittings modification |
Hi John,
I have some good news and some bad news.
The pipe thread fittings should not bottom in the female
threads. Both male and female are tapered so the threads make a seal
when the parts are screwed together. This means cutting off some of
the narrow portion of the male thread won't make any difference in
how deep the male part goes.
The good news is the fittings are not expensive and are available in
any hardware store. So, you can give it a try and replace the part
if you don't like the results.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
At 04:39 AM 12/29/2006, you wrote:
>
>hi list
>
>i want to cut off some of the threads on one of my 90
>degree fuel fitting exiting the fuel selector. i am
>making the center consul more narrow and the left tank
>fuel line restricts the width of it if i want the fuel
>lines to be hidden. it looks like there is about 3/8
>of an inch of thread showing after installation in the
>fuel selector. i want to cut the end off the threads
>so that it screws all the way into the selector. it
>looks like it is a little tappered so i am wondering
>if cutting off the end will be a problem.
>
>regards
>john butterfield
>601XL, corvair
>torrance, ca
>
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I'm trying to build up my tools to build a 601xl. Anyone have advice on
the specs for a good air compressor to run my riveter and paint
equipment. Any and all advice appreciated.
Darrell
Troutdale, Oregon
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Well Todd, if you are the "world slowest airplane builder", you have
company. I have been "building" my 601 HD since 1994. That is a dozen
years so far. Who was it that said 400 hours? It is just about ready to
make the trip to the airport now so the end of the initial building sequence
is somewhat near.
Jeff Davidson
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Todd Osborne
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:47 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
I am also a computer programmer, been doing that since the 70's,
professionally for 17 years now. I live just outside of Madison, WI but work
for a resort in Orlando, FL so I travel down there a lot. I am the world
slowest airplane builder.
Todd Osborne
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Hi Darrell,
I got a nice compressor at the Tool Peddler on 82nd Ave. last
year. It is Eagle brand from Canada. It has a vertical tank and
wheels. The most important feature is it runs from a motor and belt
rather than a direct drive compressor. That means it is quiet
instead of incredibly noisy.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
Camas, WA - about 10 miles north of Troutdale.
At 03:15 PM 12/29/2006, you wrote:
>I'm trying to build up my tools to build a 601xl. Anyone have advice
>on the specs for a good air compressor to run my riveter and paint
>equipment. Any and all advice appreciated.
>Darrell
>Troutdale, Oregon
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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Thanks Jeff for the info. Is there a preferred sequence as far as which
kit one should work on? I will probably start with the rudder kit like
many others but where should I go from there?
Darrell
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I am now retired after 39 years at Albion College. I have been a computer
builder, software program designer/writer, Plant Supervisor, Director of
Audio Visual, Telecommunications Manager, Voice Mail guru, ID Card and
Electronic Lock designer, and for the last 2 years of my career, the Owners
Representative for the College of a $42 Million building project.
I only started flying 3 years ago. Have 77 hours in a C172, soloed, cross
country, etc. FAA put me on a Medical leash, doing a $5000+ Nuclear Stress
Test once a year due to stints back in 1995. Did not do my check ride but
decided to build my own airplane and go the Sport Pilot route, finishing my
Student training time in my own CH-701. Now better than half way built,
hope to have it in the air by summer or fall of 07. The future N73EX!
George in Albion MI
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| Subject: | Re: Steering rod boots - ceramic wool |
There are two styles of this wrapping. The first one most often seen is
the stuff thats about 2" wide and wraps around the header tubes, kinda l
ike an Ace bandage. This stuff is tightly braided and a pain to unweave.
The other stuff comes in sheets around 12" wide and is foil faced. It i
s much easier to unravel, just cut it in 1" strips with scissors and pul
l it apart with some needle nose pliers. Quick and simple.... Jegs and S
ummit both sell it and I have seen the same stuff at the local NAPA stor
e too...
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> wrote:
I'd like to pack my boots! What's it called, where to get it??----- Orig
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m Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:25 AMSubject: Re: Zenith-List: Steer
ing rod through firewall seals for 701
On my snowmobile boots, I packed them with a fireproof ceramic wool that
s like the stuff you wrap headers with. The stuff is very flexible and l
oads easily from the slot thats on the engine side of the firewall. If f
lames get past that I have MUCH bigger problems, such as the cowling is
burning by then... YMMV...
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Mike Hoffman" <mhoffman9@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
.com>
I am having a problem figuring out the best way to seal where the steeri
ng rods pass through the firewall on a 701. I tried building a shutter l
ike the 601 use, but not enough space. Didn't want to use the snowmobile
boots because I wanted something fire proof. I made plates to hold a pi
ece of red rubber baffle material on the engine side of the firewall, bu
t the material I used was too thick. Also I could only fasten it on 3 si
des and would not seal very well. (I think this might be the solution if
I could find a better product). I am now thinking about a whisker type
material but unable to find any.
Has anybody already done this and have a better solution?
Mike H
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<html>There are two styles of this wrapping. The first one most oft
en seen is the stuff thats about 2" wide and wraps around the header tub
es, kinda like an Ace bandage. This stuff is tightly braided and a pain
to unweave. The other stuff comes in sheets around 12" wide and is foil
faced. It is much easier to unravel, just cut it in 1" strips with
scissors and pull it apart with some needle nose pliers. Quick and
simple.... Jegs and Summit both sell it and I have seen the sa
me stuff at the local NAPA store too... <BR><BR><BR>Ben Haas<BR>N80
1BH<BR>www.haaspowerair.com<BR><BR>-- "Robin Bellach" <
;601zv@ritternet.com> wrote:<BR>
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lled, where to get it??</FONT></DIV>
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:25 AM</DIV>
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| Subject: | Re: air compresser |
Hi Darrell:
A couple of years ago I bought a nice vertical 33 gallon, on wheels, from
Sears. It is NOT a belt drive and is very noisy. Fortunately I keep the
compressor out in the hanger, divided off from the shop by a 2X4 insulated
wall. Works great and they have them on sale quite often, good price less
than $300. But it is NOISY!
George
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
Hi Dave:
For a living I spent 30 years doing the electromechanical design
of high speed line and serial printers and disk drives. I then changed
careers and did marketing of integrated circuits. For the last ten years prior
to
retiring I was engineering and group manager for a semiconductor group that
designed custom ic's for computer peripherals. Our group designed the first
and only chipset to fully support all of the seven DVD standards. I retired
three years ago to have some fun. I am a SEL and Glider rated pilot.I have a
PA28-182 which is for sale to finance the completion of the 701. I have also
built model aircraft for fifty or so years. I am the newsletter editor for a
model aircraft club. I am busily at work on a CH701 (built just like the plans)!
Happy new year to all. John Read - CH701 in Colorado
BTW this snow is becoming a pain, I just spent 5 hours on my tractor moving
snow. Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: fuel fittings modification |
it would also be feasible to cut off the male and deepen the tapered pipe thread
in the body. You might have to cut the tap off progressively as you deepen the
female thread. Make very sure that you COMPLETELY remove ALL cuttings or chips.
ALL of them...
Hi John,
I have some good news and some bad news.
The pipe thread fittings should not bottom in the female
threads. Both male and female are tapered so the threads make a seal
when the parts are screwed together. This means cutting off some of
the narrow portion of the male thread won't make any difference in
how deep the male part goes.
The good news is the fittings are not expensive and are available in
any hardware store. So, you can give it a try and replace the part
if you don't like the results.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
At 04:39 AM 12/29/2006, you wrote:
>
>hi list
>
>i want to cut off some of the threads on one of my 90
>degree fuel fitting exiting the fuel selector. i am
>making the center consul more narrow and the left tank
>fuel line restricts the width of it if i want the fuel
>lines to be hidden. it looks like there is about 3/8
>of an inch of thread showing after installation in the
>fuel selector. i want to cut the end off the threads
>so that it screws all the way into the selector. it
>looks like it is a little tappered so i am wondering
>if cutting off the end will be a problem.
>
>regards
>john butterfield
>601XL, corvair
>torrance, ca
>
>__________________________________________________
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>_-
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Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
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| Subject: | SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
Sold , designed, installed paint spray booths and paint spray equipment
( electrostatic, powder)for 34 yrs along the Texas Coast, now do rent
property and provide kits and welded fuselages for the Legal/Double
Eagle Ultralight- Sport Aircraft.
Learned to fly in a C170 in the 60's, have owned a c-180, Tripacer,
Lake,AG-14 (only 5 made). Restored a Seabee that flew the Atlantic.(not
with ME) Rebuild projects have been a Pacer and Champ (still have).
Homebuilts have been an RV3, Glasair and Legal Eagle (unfinished)
Currently am 30% into a 701 on amphibs. Also have an F-1 Rocket kit I'm
working on sporadically.(when you look up "attention defecite disorder"
on Google that's my picture out to the side)
LOTS of interesting folks on this list!!! LOW&SLOW John Bolding
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| Subject: | Re: sequence of kits |
For the XL it was suggested to me to do rudder, horiz. stab, elevator, flaps, ailerons,
wings, and fuselage.
Read ahead, study the plans and don't be afraid to ask for advice. The kit is well
designed but there is still plenty of opportunity to screw up. Careful planning
reduces the amount of scrap aluminum you'll produce.
:-) Tim
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Working on wings
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| Subject: | sequence of kits |
Darrell,
My sequence was rudder, stabilizer/elevator, wings (along with nav/strobes & landing/taxi
lights and controls), fuselage, dual sticks, canopy and landing gear.
I rigged the aileron cables before I closed my wings. Canopy and main landing
gear get in the way of other stuff if done too early. The nose gear can
be completed after the fuselage is nearly complete, but before the engine mount
is installed. You can't really complete the canopy until your engine mount is
bolted into place, your completed instrument panel and the forward top skin
are finally riveted in place. This is probably an over-simplification, but you
will begin to get the picture as you proceed.
Jay in Dallas
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"Darrell Haas" <Darrellhaas@verizon.net> wrote:
>Thanks Jeff for the info. Is there a preferred sequence as far as which kit one
should work on? I will probably start with the rudder kit like many others but
where should I go from there?
>Darrell
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: sequence of kits |
Did my wings before the flaps and slats because I read that you needed to
make sure that the brackets on the flaps and slats fitted the wing.
Roger
701 - completing rear fuselage (tonight I hope)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Juhl
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 6:26 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: sequence of kits
For the XL it was suggested to me to do rudder, horiz. stab, elevator,
flaps, ailerons, wings, and fuselage.
Read ahead, study the plans and don't be afraid to ask for advice. The kit
is well designed but there is still plenty of opportunity to screw up.
Careful planning reduces the amount of scrap aluminum you'll produce.
:-) Tim
Do not archive
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
I am a clinical psychologist working for the VA for the last 30+ years.
I flew intermittantly for several years back in the 1970's, then quit
for 20+ years (kids, careers, etc), and have been back to flying on and
off for about the last 6 years. I'm building a 601 XL from the kits- my
first such project. I will power it with the Jabiru 3300 and Senenich
wooden prop. Parts all over the house and the shed, the main body in
the garage. Learning a lot and loving it too! I'm probably about 2/3
done, but the progress is sure slow what with working full time, mucho
yard to keep up with, etc. In any case, interesting string here...
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Ruddiman
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 1:08 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING
HOLES AND GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE
BUILDING, WANT TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO
ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN
OREGON. OF COURSE YOU CAN DELETE ME FOR ASKING AND MAYBE IT'S NONE OF
MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT KEY IS FOR. THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE
INTERESTING TO KNOW.
DAVE IN SALEM
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| Subject: | Re:Re:SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
Retired (sort of) pilot. Last 26 years flying medium and heavy helicopters
for the energy industry (U.S. Gulf of Mexico). Before that, was a fixed/rotary
Army Aviator for 14 years specializing in medical evacuation. Owned a Champ,
Luscombe and Beech Musketeer. Was building a Thorp T-18, but it did not survive
corrosion while in storage while I was globetrotting. Also rated in gliders
(Commercial ticket). First solo in a J-3 Cub on skis Feb 16,1957 in Maine.
I am now doing part time consulting for an oil company re: aviation safety,
operations & facilities. I tried to tell them I was retired, but no dice. Also
working with an A/P who is still employed by my old company, and he's getting
started on a Cub clone from scratch.
I am surprised as anyone that I have gone almost 50 years with a pristeen
record, looking back on the type of flying I did.
Bob Dingley, Pace, FL
XL-Lyc-rudder
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
I'm a 51 year old 747-400 captain for Northwest Airlines. Prior to
Northwest, I was a flight instructor and commuter airline pilot for Britt Airlines.
My 1st solo was in a J3 Cub.
Mike Elrod
701 on amphib floats, 50 hours
Fenton, MI
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
unemployed and homeless
Joe
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Don't forget pawn shops, always seems to be a stack of compressors at
the local one.
do not archive
TurboDog's Dad
Bill Cardell
www.flyinmiata.com
1-800-FLY-MX5S
970-242-3800
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>> Don't forget pawn shops, always seems to be a stack of compressors at
the local one.
Including mine ;-)
-- Craig
do not archive
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| Subject: | RE: I messed up skinning my rudder |
Thanks to everyone for the advice.
Drilling out the rivets on the flat side and using a better shim system did
the job. I purchased 2 metal fence posts from Home Depot. They are like 3
inch square by 6 feet long.
I taped the rudder to the jig this time, and after enlarging the holes to
A5, everything turned out great! I had to go to A5 because the holes were
about 1/2 the diameter off after re-shimming.
If you don't know to look, I don't think you will even know there are 2
different sized rivets.
Thanks again!
Jon Burns
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Fixing up the home? Live Search can help
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
Currently employed as a Metal Model Maker Leader for General Motors Technical Center
in Warren MI. I delegate work but haven't had my hands really in it for
years now. Been in the trade since 1967. Have access to all the CNC/CAD stuff
but am getting back to my roots and trying to use minimal computer stuff.
Layed out all the forms by hand and sawed em then ground em. Having a blast getting
my metal working skills back. I hope to make this 601 without any fiberglas.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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