---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/29/06: 112 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:00 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Terry Phillips) 2. 01:22 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (TxDave) 3. 03:23 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Clyde Barcus) 4. 03:41 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Rick R) 5. 04:07 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Trainnut01@aol.com) 6. 04:08 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Paul Mulwitz) 7. 04:41 AM - fuel fittings modification (john butterfield) 8. 04:46 AM - Re: fuel fittings modification (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 9. 05:09 AM - Steering rod through firewall seals for 701 (Mike Hoffman) 10. 05:22 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Edward Moody II) 11. 05:37 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Phil Maxson) 12. 05:49 AM - Re: fuel fittings modification (Bryan Martin) 13. 05:53 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Skip Perry) 14. 06:01 AM - Re: I messed up skinning my rudder (Bill Naumuk) 15. 06:07 AM - Re: I messed up skinning my rudder (Aaron Gustafson) 16. 06:10 AM - Re: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Wade Jones) 17. 06:13 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Bill Naumuk) 18. 06:20 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (n801bh@netzero.com) 19. 06:25 AM - Re: I messed up skinning my rudder (Gary Boothe) 20. 06:27 AM - Re: Steering rod through firewall seals for 701 (n801bh@netzero.com) 21. 06:32 AM - Re: Stick a fork in me- I'm done (Bill Naumuk) 22. 06:32 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Jaybannist@cs.com) 23. 06:40 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Noel Loveys) 24. 06:40 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Gary Boothe) 25. 06:40 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (William Dominguez) 26. 06:46 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Ron Lalonde) 27. 06:46 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (LarryMcFarland) 28. 06:46 AM - Re: does this need vg's? (billbutlergps@aim.com) 29. 06:53 AM - Steering rod boots - ceramic wool (Robin Bellach) 30. 06:55 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (billbutlergps@aim.com) 31. 07:06 AM - Re: Screw-up (Rich) 32. 07:11 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Neitzel) 33. 07:12 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Larry Winger) 34. 07:13 AM - Re: A/C for your ac (Trainnut01@aol.com) 35. 07:14 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (billbutlergps@aim.com) 36. 07:17 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED () 37. 07:27 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (kkinney) 38. 07:38 AM - Re: A/C for your ac (Gig Giacona) 39. 07:39 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Gary Boothe) 40. 07:46 AM - Re: Screw-up (Gary Boothe) 41. 07:47 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Rich) 42. 08:00 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Richard Vetterli) 43. 08:05 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (David Mikesell) 44. 08:05 AM - Re: Screw-up (ernie) 45. 08:07 AM - Re: Screw-up (ernie) 46. 08:07 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Bill Steer) 47. 08:08 AM - Re: Re: A/C for your ac (Trainnut01@aol.com) 48. 08:08 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Michael Valentine) 49. 08:10 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Craig Payne) 50. 08:13 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Brandon Tucker) 51. 08:17 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (J Core) 52. 08:17 AM - Re: Steering rod through firewall seals for 701 (Dabusmith@aol.com) 53. 08:22 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (NameChanged ToProtectTheGuilty) 54. 08:27 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Bill Naumuk) 55. 08:29 AM - Re: Screw-up (Bill Naumuk) 56. 08:30 AM - Re: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Craig Payne) 57. 08:37 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (NYTerminat) 58. 08:46 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Todd Osborne) 59. 08:49 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Carlos Sa) 60. 08:56 AM - Re: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (billbutlergps@aim.com) 61. 08:59 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Bill Naumuk) 62. 09:05 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Craig Payne) 63. 09:10 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Randy L. Thwing) 64. 09:10 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Gary Boothe) 65. 09:18 AM - Re: fuel fittings modification (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 66. 09:28 AM - Re: I messed up skinning my rudder (Jerry Latimer) 67. 09:36 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (steve@cccparis.com) 68. 09:36 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Clyde Barcus) 69. 09:48 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Bill Naumuk) 70. 09:50 AM - Re: I messed up skinning my rudder (Bill Naumuk) 71. 09:53 AM - Re: Re: A/C for your ac (NYTerminat) 72. 10:08 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Mike) 73. 10:21 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (JERICKSON03E@aol.com) 74. 10:21 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Tim Juhl) 75. 10:37 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (George Swinford) 76. 10:40 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Robert Schoenberger) 77. 10:55 AM - Re: fuel fittings modification (Dave Johnson) 78. 11:24 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (David Wright) 79. 12:02 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (David Downey) 80. 12:06 PM - SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Mike) 81. 12:07 PM - Re: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (David Downey) 82. 12:32 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Ron Culver) 83. 01:08 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Roger Venables) 84. 01:26 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Gig Giacona) 85. 01:28 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (crvsecretary@aol.com) 86. 01:34 PM - Re: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Bryan Martin) 87. 01:49 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (eedetail) 88. 01:55 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Dan) 89. 02:11 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Matt Stecher) 90. 02:31 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Tommy Walker) 91. 02:42 PM - Re: fuel fittings modification (Paul Mulwitz) 92. 03:16 PM - air compresser (Darrell Haas) 93. 03:19 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Jeff) 94. 03:46 PM - Re: air compresser (Paul Mulwitz) 95. 03:57 PM - sequence of kits (Darrell Haas) 96. 04:31 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (George Race) 97. 04:34 PM - Re: Steering rod boots - ceramic wool (n801bh@netzero.com) 98. 04:40 PM - Re: air compresser (George Race) 99. 04:56 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (JohnDRead@aol.com) 100. 05:13 PM - Re: fuel fittings modification (David Downey) 101. 06:20 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (John Bolding) 102. 06:26 PM - Re: sequence of kits (Tim Juhl) 103. 06:49 PM - Re: sequence of kits (Jaybannist@cs.com) 104. 06:57 PM - Re: Re: sequence of kits (Roger Venables) 105. 07:03 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Richard Harvey) 106. 07:11 PM - Re:Re:SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (MaxNr@aol.com) 107. 07:29 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (MElrod3732@aol.com) 108. 07:29 PM - SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED () 109. 07:58 PM - Re: air compresser (Bill Cardell) 110. 08:17 PM - Re: air compresser (Craig Payne) 111. 11:28 PM - Re: I messed up skinning my rudder (Jon Burns) 112. 11:42 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Ron Lendon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:16 AM PST US From: Terry Phillips Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I am a retired chemical engineer and a student pilot. At 10:08 PM 12/28/2006 -0800, you wrote: >I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? Terry Phillips ttp44~~at~~rkymtn.net Corvallis MT Just starting a 601 kit ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:22:11 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED From: "TxDave" Hey Dave, I'm a psychiatric nurse at a large hospital. Some of my coworkers think I should be a patient. I MUST be crazy to think I can build an airplane from scratch! Right? do not archive Dave Clay Temple, TX http://www.daves601xl.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84164#84164 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:39 AM PST US From: "Clyde Barcus" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I spent the first half of my working career machining components on lathes, milling machines and surface grinders, now I sell the same components along with progressive dies. Clyde Barcus 601 XL Do Not Archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Ruddiman To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 12:08 AM Subject: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING HOLES AND GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING, WANT TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. OF COURSE YOU CAN DELETE ME FOR ASKING AND MAYBE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT KEY IS FOR. THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW. DAVE IN SALEM DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:49 AM PST US From: Rick R Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Telecommunications industry at the present. That will most likely change very soon through as our company just got bought out. Don't look for them to keep an higher paid older dude around. We'll see. Rick Sharpsburg, GA. USA http://www.n701rr.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:07:43 AM PST US From: Trainnut01@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I own a small company that designs, builds and installs mobile air conditioning systems for modern cars, light trucks, street rods, classic cars, muscle cars or any vehicle that the original builder did not equip with air. Carroll Jernigan Lenoir City TN 601XL Corvair (Wings) do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:08:34 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Hi Dave, I'm a retired guy. Had to quit work when I found out it was bad for my health. Before retiring I did lots of different stuff. I did 8 years active duty in the USAF including accounting and finance and computer programming - missile targeting software and photo reconnaissance equipment testing. Moved on to more computer programming in the civilian world and some systems engineering. Switched from software to computer hardware design and did that for a couple of decades - mostly communications equipment like telephone switches and related stuff. Now I just work on my plane, play poker, and fool around with the stock market. Happy building, Paul XL fuselage At 10:08 PM 12/28/2006, you wrote: >WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? - ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:20 AM PST US From: john butterfield Subject: Zenith-List: fuel fittings modification hi list i want to cut off some of the threads on one of my 90 degree fuel fitting exiting the fuel selector. i am making the center consul more narrow and the left tank fuel line restricts the width of it if i want the fuel lines to be hidden. it looks like there is about 3/8 of an inch of thread showing after installation in the fuel selector. i want to cut the end off the threads so that it screws all the way into the selector. it looks like it is a little tappered so i am wondering if cutting off the end will be a problem. regards john butterfield 601XL, corvair torrance, ca __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:14 AM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel fittings modification I cut mine off about 1/8 and then cleaned the edge up and it worked fine. do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:31 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Steering rod through firewall seals for 701 From: "Mike Hoffman" I am having a problem figuring out the best way to seal where the steering rods pass through the firewall on a 701. I tried building a shutter like the 601 use, but not enough space. Didn't want to use the snowmobile boots because I wanted something fire proof. I made plates to hold a piece of red rubber baffle material on the engine side of the firewall, but the material I used was too thick. Also I could only fasten it on 3 sides and would not seal very well. (I think this might be the solution if I could find a better product). I am now thinking about a whisker type material but unable to find any. Has anybody already done this and have a better solution? Mike H Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84176#84176 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:33 AM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I'm a 53 year old general dentist. I practice in my childhood home town with my oldest son. My second son is an electrical engineer for Halliburton, and my daughter is an RN working ICU. Four grandkids ages 6 ,3, 2, 1.5 swarming around. SEL rated since 1972. First build was an Excalibur ultra-not-so-light. Ed Moody II Rayne, LA 601XL/Jabiru/flap motor DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:37:15 AM PST US From: Phil Maxson Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I'm a software development project manager for Mars, Inc. I've worked ther e for 17 years. Very little I've learned there is of practical value to bu ilding a plane! Do Not ArchivePhil Maxson601XL/CorvairNorthwest New Jersey _________________________________________________________________ Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger. us ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:09 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel fittings modification If it's tapered pipe thread, cutting off the end probably won't help much. The taper determines how far the fitting will thread into the valve not the length. It probably won't hurt to try it. You might be able to find a shorter 90 degree fitting, there are some designed for tight places. On Dec 29, 2006, at 7:39 AM, john butterfield wrote: > > > hi list > > i want to cut off some of the threads on one of my 90 > degree fuel fitting exiting the fuel selector. > i want to cut the end off the threads > so that it screws all the way into the selector. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:27 AM PST US From: "Skip Perry" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I'm a middle school band director and I also play piano in bands at night. I did a lot of street racing as a teenager in Alabama and built (and crashed) many R/C model planes. So far I'm managing to keep my head above water with this project! Skip Perry Fort Myers, Florida DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:52 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: I messed up skinning my rudder Jon- You bet it's critical. If you let yourself slide now, you'll be in the same boat as I was 4 months into my project- it took me a year and a half to rebuild myself out of it.That was 3 years ago! Any building that requires shims- SCREW THE SHIMS INTO YOUR TABLE AND CLAMP THE ASSEMBLY. Movement is death. Look on the bright side- you should be able to salvage most of the parts and only have to make a few ribs. The HD DVD walks you through the entire scratchbuild process. The refreshing thing for an instructional video is, Jon and Mark screw up a couple of times themselves, but show you how to make lemonades out of lemons. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Burns" Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 11:38 PM Subject: Zenith-List: I messed up skinning my rudder > > Well, it seems that I was not as caerful as I thought when skinning my > rudder. There is a twist... or it is flat on one side. I had the 3/4 > in block under the trailing edge, but it didn't turn out correctly. One > side is flat, and the trailing edge is up 1 1/2 in on the flip side. > > Is this critical? What would be the issue with using the rudder as is, or > do I need to order a new rudder? > > Thanks > Jon > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find sales, coupons, and free shipping, all in one place! MSN Shopping > Sales & Deals > http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctid=198,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata 0639 > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:57 AM PST US From: "Aaron Gustafson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: I messed up skinning my rudder Jon Been there done that. I have 2 rudders, one for show and tell and one good one on my 601. You might have 2 also! The second one goes so much better. Aaron G do not archive >> There is a twist... or it is flat on one side. I had the 3/4 in > block under the trailing edge, but it didn't turn out correctly. One side > is flat, and the trailing edge is up 1 1/2 in on the flip side. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:53 AM PST US From: "Wade Jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I have been retired from nuclear power generating for the last 15 years .I am 73 years old ,been flying 45 years and have owned several airplanes .Built a Sonerai in 1977that I still fly .Own a tripacer that I also fly off my private airstrip .Flying is never cheap ,however in my case it's not so bad as I live on my own strip and am rated as an AP/IA. Plans building a 601XL with a Cont. 0200 engine. Wade Jones South Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "TxDave" Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 3:20 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED > > Hey Dave, > > I'm a psychiatric nurse at a large hospital. Some of my coworkers think I > should be a patient. I MUST be crazy to think I can build an airplane from > scratch! Right? > > do not archive > > Dave Clay > Temple, TX > http://www.daves601xl.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84164#84164 > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:34 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Dave- I'm a Quality Engineer and Quality Manager for an injection molding firm making parts to incredibly tight tolerances for the medical industry. When I say incredibly tight, we have one 16 cavity mold that we injection mold parts to plus/minus .000075, yet average a 7 percent scrap rate. Think about that for a moment and you'll know why I get so down on myself for not being able to keep a 2mm general tolerance. If I were my employee and was that careless at work, I would have fired myself long ago. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:45 AM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I am currently a serial killer that stalks and murders any homebuilder t hat tries to finish a kitplane. My last therapist was building a RV so h e had to go.I do have a soft spot for humans that are trying to assemble a Zenith kit though. I have been there, done that and now am a test pil ot with large testicles..... . Jus kiddin... Happy New Years guys............................... Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com NOT ARCHIVE ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ========================

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________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:31 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: I messed up skinning my rudder Why not drill out the rivets, re-shim the pieces and switch to A5's, if necessary? In fact, I have heard that merely re-shimming and re-riveting often does the job. It's worth a try.... Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, Tail done, wings done, working on c-section -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Gustafson Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 6:07 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: I messed up skinning my rudder Jon Been there done that. I have 2 rudders, one for show and tell and one good one on my 601. You might have 2 also! The second one goes so much better. Aaron G do not archive >> There is a twist... or it is flat on one side. I had the 3/4 in > block under the trailing edge, but it didn't turn out correctly. One side > is flat, and the trailing edge is up 1 1/2 in on the flip side. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:24 AM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Steering rod through firewall seals for 701 On my snowmobile boots, I packed them with a fireproof ceramic wool that s like the stuff you wrap headers with. The stuff is very flexible and l oads easily from the slot thats on the engine side of the firewall. If f lames get past that I have MUCH bigger problems, such as the cowling is burning by then... YMMV... Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Mike Hoffman" wrote: .com> I am having a problem figuring out the best way to seal where the steeri ng rods pass through the firewall on a 701. I tried building a shutter l ike the 601 use, but not enough space. Didn't want to use the snowmobile boots because I wanted something fire proof. I made plates to hold a pi ece of red rubber baffle material on the engine side of the firewall, bu t the material I used was too thick. Also I could only fasten it on 3 si des and would not seal very well. (I think this might be the solution if I could find a better product). I am now thinking about a whisker type material but unable to find any. Has anybody already done this and have a better solution? Mike H Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84176#84176 ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== ===========

On my snowmobile boots, I packed them with a fireproof ceramic wool thats like the stuff you wrap headers with. The stuff is very flexi ble and loads easily from the slot thats on the engine side of the firewall. If flames get past that I have MUCH bigger problems, such as t he cowling is burning by then... YMMV...




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I  am having a problem figuring out the  best way to seal where the steering r ods pass through the firewall on a 70 1. I tried building a shutter like th e 601 use, but not enough space. Didn 't want to use the snowmobile boots b ecause I wanted something fire proof. I&nb sp;made plates to hold a piece of red  rubber baffle material on the engine  ;side of the firewall, but the material&nb sp;I used was too thick. Also I could  only fasten it on 3 sides and w ould not seal very well. (I think thi s might be the solution if I could&nb sp;find a better product). I am now t hinking about a whisker type material but& nbsp;unable to find any. 

Has anybody&nb sp;already done this and have a better&nbs p;solution?

Mike H




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________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:27 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stick a fork in me- I'm done Gary- Not harder, smarter. Out of the 50 hours total, I spent 20 hrs and $70.00 trying to find usable bonnets locally, then wasted another 15-20 hrs by not using enough compound. Once you get the hang of it, the same job should realistically take 15-10 hrs total. Of course, you still can't get away from getting yourself and everything you touch black, and polishing is boring as hell. FWIW, my Nuvite came from Brooklyn. Stuff was probably originally formulated for cleaning up stolen silverware so no one could identify it after you fenced it. One day, an enterprising soul decided to steal an airplane, and the rest is history. And that, dear friends, is how urban myths originate.......... Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 7:58 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Stick a fork in me- I'm done Bill, Thanks for keeping us posted on the problems/progress. I'm still leaning in that direction, too. I live about 3 hrs from Nuvite HQ in Petaluma, CA and need to be in that neighborhood next week. Looks like a visit is in order. But, really, don't you think if you worked a little harder you would get done faster? ;) Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, Tail done, wings done, working on c-section Do Not Archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 2:48 PM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: Stick a fork in me- I'm done All- I told myself that today was the last day I was going to polish the c-section. There are still parts to cut undersize and holes to drill where they don't belong- this finish work doesn't suit me. What you see is what 50 hrs of farting around will get you. According to Ron at Nuvite, I can plan on at least another pass with grade S, maybe one of C, too to get rid of shop rash. He doesn't know the kind of shop rash I have to deal with. More like a gallon of body putty and a major rebuild! I WILL start on the rear fuse before vacation is over. I think I can, I think I can..... Good building! Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:52 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Dave, I am a semi-retired architect. I began my career about 45 years ago, but I haven't really practiced architecture for the last 20 years or so. I mostly do schematic design, bidding documents, project management, and general consulting. My CAD abilities have really come in hand working out some of the problems associated with airplane building (601XL): layout of the various plywood angled templates, design of a work table and (reuseable supports), design of a cart for storage of completed wings and tail parts, design of a new center console, design of a top forward skin access panel, design of brackets for parking brake valves, template for drilling axle/brakes to gear leg, design of plywood seat panels, layout of instrument panel (about 15 iterations!), and a paint scheme, just to name a few. CAD drawings also helped me explain to ZAC changes I wanted to make. Obviously, wood working skills have also helped. Probably more than you wanted to know, but now you know. Jay in Dallas Do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:53 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I spent a lot of years as a photographic technician. A severe motorcycle accident all but took me off my feet for a couple of years. I went back to technical school and took an electronics course with the idea of getting into broadcasting. With the new FM transmitters there seems to be a glut of broadcast technicians. I was given the opportunity to do a three year program in Aircraft Maintenance Engineering (Canada). I always had an deep interest in planes. My father owned several. I completed the course close to the head of my class and have been working on and off at local AMOs since. Flying is strictly a hobby.... I have a Kitfox III-A on floats and one of these days will start and finish a CH601, no doubt on amphibs.. Noel ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:54 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Dave and All, I was a plasterer for 27 years, mostly contracting, but now work as a Sales Manager for a construction materials supplier in their Architectural Products Division (plaster products). I officially cover California and Nevada. I started flying in 1970 and had my first plane (Taylorcraft BC12D) before my first car. Flying came to an end in 1984, for money reasons (that was 'money', not 'many', though 'many' would also be appropriate), but I tried to keep my hand in it by taking a year off to get an A&P Certificate at Cheyenne Aerotech, that I never used. Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, Tail done, wings done, working on c-section _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ruddiman Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 10:09 PM Subject: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING HOLES AND GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING, WANT TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. OF COURSE YOU CAN DELETE ME FOR ASKING AND MAYBE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT KEY IS FOR. THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW. DAVE IN SALEM DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:54 AM PST US From: William Dominguez Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I still call myself a computer programmer, now it is called software engineer after some other names came and went since the profession entered a period of identity crisis. Ive been in doing this for 24 years, started when I was 18 years old. Flew R/C planes for around 6 years with only one mayor crash (total airframe loss) and one minor one (fixed and flown the following weekend). William Dominguez Plansbuild Zodiac 601XL Miami, Florida Dave Ruddiman wrote: I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING HOLES AND GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING, WANT TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. OF COURSE YOU CAN DELETE ME FOR ASKING AND MAYBE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT KEY IS FOR. THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW. DAVE IN SALEM DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:14 AM PST US From: "Ron Lalonde" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Hi Gang Well, all you fellas seem to have pretty illustrious careers!! Myself, I retired from the Air Force in 1995, and am now a janitor at a small elementary school. I previously built a Volksplane and have most of the major parts of a LongEZ in my basement. My son and I went to Oshkosh last summer and he fell in love with the Zenith 601XL, which I recently started building. PS: With all you CAD people and programmers on board is there anyone of you that have or know where I can obtain CAD templates for the form blocks of the 601XL....contact me offlist...rlalonde@hotmail.com.....Tks Ron Lalonde Debert, Nova Scotia, Canada 601XL _________________________________________________________________ Off to school, going on a trip, or moving? Windows Live (MSN) Messenger lets you stay in touch with friends and family wherever you go. Click here to find out how to sign up! http://www.live.com/?mkt=en-ca ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:22 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Hi Dave, I'm recently retired from engineering design, having spent 16 years at International Harvester and 28 years with the Department of Defense in facilities engineering, material handling, weapons systems and military vehicle maintenance tools and equipment. The 601 was my third aircraft and the most fun to build. 38 years ago, I built a Smith Miniplane biplane and 25 years ago I built a Cougar-Tailwind with tri-gear and both are still flying with new owners. I've always had a machine shop that's been involved in design and fabrication, but mostly as a hobby. Larry McFarland do not archive Dave Ruddiman wrote: > I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING > HOLES AND GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT > ARE BUILDING, WANT TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. > WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING > CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. OF COURSE YOU CAN DELETE ME FOR ASKING AND > MAYBE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT KEY IS FOR. > THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW. > > DAVE IN SALEM > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > *=========================================== > > * ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: does this need vg's? From: billbutlergps@aim.com I got it on my end (original not yours). Bill -----Original Message----- From: noelloveys@yahoo.ca To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 11:04 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: does this need vg's? Graphic missing Do not archive Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of NYTerminat Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 12:07 AM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: does this need vg's? WOULD YOU FLY ON THIS ? Even though the Aeroscraft dwarfs the largest commercial airliners, it requires less net space on the ground than any plane because it doesn't need a runway. The airship takes off and lands like a helicopter: straight up and down. ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:18 AM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Zenith-List: Steering rod boots - ceramic wool I'd like to pack my boots! What's it called, where to get it?? ----- Original Message ----- From: n801bh@netzero.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:25 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Steering rod through firewall seals for 701 On my snowmobile boots, I packed them with a fireproof ceramic wool thats like the stuff you wrap headers with. The stuff is very flexible and loads easily from the slot thats on the engine side of the firewall. If flames get past that I have MUCH bigger problems, such as the cowling is burning by then... YMMV... Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Mike Hoffman" wrote: I am having a problem figuring out the best way to seal where the steering rods pass through the firewall on a 701. I tried building a shutter like the 601 use, but not enough space. Didn't want to use the snowmobile boots because I wanted something fire proof. I made plates to hold a piece of red rubber baffle material on the engine side of the firewall, but the material I used was too thick. Also I could only fasten it on 3 sides and would not seal very well. (I think this might be the solution if I could find a better product). I am now thinking about a whisker type material but unable to find any. Has anybody already done this and have a better solution? Mike H Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.============ =========== - The Zenith-List Email Forum - Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Brow======================= sp; - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED From: billbutlergps@aim.com Do you plan on putting AC in your 601? Being that I have been around ag aircraft I saw quite a few Air Tractors that had AC in them. Some where powered off the turbine but the best were powered by golf cart motors and were placed behind the cabin. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Trainnut01@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 6:06 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I own a small company that designs, builds and installs mobile air conditioning systems for modern cars, light trucks, street rods, classic cars, muscle cars or any vehicle that the original builder did not equip with air. Carroll Jernigan Lenoir City TN 601XL Corvair (Wings) do not archive ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:40 AM PST US From: "Rich" <4rcsimmons@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Screw-up To repair my oops cut, the tax was $100 shipped to my door from Zenith. I ordered a new part. They were fast a well!! Rich ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:29 AM PST US From: "Neitzel" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Nine years Air Force and twenty four years air traffic controller (ARTCC JAX and MSP). Retired in 96. The 701 is my second experimental. While off topic, I recently had a computer go belly up and I lost a pile of e mails from individuals on the list that I communicated with. There was a builder in or near Chippewa Falls that I would like to get back in touch with. If you are still on the list please e mail me off list, thanks. N962WB@frontiernet.net Dick Neitzel Sayner, WI do not archive ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:52 AM PST US From: "Larry Winger" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I'm the CEO of a group of three ministries that start new churches, design church campuses and lend to churches for construction and relocation ( www.provision.org). I was one checkride away from getting my private ticket last year, and opted to build a plane first in order to build hours in my own plane. My scratch-built 601XL is taking shape in my garage in Tustin, CA (Orange County) and the tail section is complete. Great question about our careers and life paths. Larry Winger Tustin, CA 601XL ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:04 AM PST US From: Trainnut01@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: A/C for your ac Bill I looked at putting A/C on my RV but I just could not come up with a way to justify the weight. That would be even harder to deal with on a 601. You know Piper had some air conditioned Cherokees around 1970. They had aluminum York compressors driven by the alternator belt and a condenser in the bottom of the fuselage behind the wing. The condenser was extended into the slipstream by and electric motor when the A/C was turned on. A switch on the throttle turned off the compressor and retracted the condenser when pushed to maximum power. Carroll do not archive ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:28 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED From: billbutlergps@aim.com I have been involved in GPS / GIS for the over 12 years. I am currently employed by the City of Wichita Falls. I haven't purchased a 701 as of yet but will. My father (US Army retired Fixed Wing and Helicopter pilot, 22 years), My son (6 years old and crazy about airplanes), Myself (45 years old and crazy) went up to Oshkosh this summer (see enclosed pic). It was a great trip! Stopped by Mexico MO. on the way back and took a flight in a 701 and that finalized my decision. Now all it is a money thing and deciding on what power plant to go with. I plan to fly out of Wichita Falls to our ranch 60 miles South on grass runways and other short trips in this area. I hope that I can get going on this while my father is still active and he could enjoy it even more than I. As for my sons (6 years and 6 months), wife and myself I hope that we could enjoy the building and flying for years to come. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pacificpainting@comcast.net To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:08 AM Subject: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING HOLES AND GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING, WANT TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. OF COURSE YOU CAN DELETE ME FOR ASKING AND MAYBE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT KEY IS FOR. THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW. DAVE IN SALEM DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:05 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I am an OB/GYN physician but my undergraduate degree is in Aerospace administration. Dennis ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:57 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED From: "kkinney" I'm a sysprog on IBM zSeries boxes. (the big ones) I'm pretty sure that has something to do with computers. Oh, I code in a dozen or so languages and play with Unix systems. (More computer stuff, I think.) For fun, I play with CNC and microcontrollers, so I may be contacting some of you off list. Thank you for starting this thread. It helps to get to know some of our fellow posters. Regards, Kevin Kinney Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84225#84225 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:55 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: A/C for your ac From: "Gig Giacona" And between 1978 and 1997 I flew in about 5 or 6 of those '70s vintage, air conditioned Pipers and in not a single one of them the A/C worked. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84230#84230 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:38 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Look at that! A couple dozen responses to a simple question.and NO vitriol. It just goes to show you that people LOVE to talk about themselves. A basic sales principle - get the customer to talk freely about themselves, and you can sell just about anything! Anyone want to buy a slightly mis-cut rear spar for a 601HDS? HAPPY NEW YEAR! Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, Tail done, wings done, working on c-section DO NOT ARCHIVE _____ Get into the holiday spirit, chatsites/santabot/default.aspx?locale=en-us' target='_new'>Ho-Ho-Ho! ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:11 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Screw-up Ernie, I don=92t recall seeing too many responses to your question. I cut my extrusions down to =BE=94 on my table saw ' really not a problem. And, Yes, you could say that I am a =91hybrid=92 builder. I bought kits for the rudder, horiz.stabilizer, and wings. The rest will be scratch built. Build one rib and you realize you can build just about anything. Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, Tail done, wings done, working on c-section _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ernie Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Screw-up Hi all, I am wondering the source scratch builders are getting their 3/4 x 3/4 x .093 Aluminum angle. Spruce has 3/4x3/4x1/8. I screwed up my elevator horn doubler 6t3-6 by trimming off to much and was thinking that some raw materials around the shop would be a good thing. All this talk from the scratch builders has me thinking, that I should be able to recover from some mistakes that are simple. maybe a couple of small sheets or .040 and .032. To form some common parts. Is there such a thing as a hybrid builder out there? Thanks Ernie. Do not archive. On 12/27/06, Bill Naumuk wrote: Wade- Deja vu all over again! That damned Z spar was my first "Oops part", too! You should see how many entries in my builder's log start with "Aaargh! I can't believe I did it again!" do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:58 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Screw-up Wade, I had ordered wing kits and cut the wrong angle on my 2nd rear spar. I thought life was over. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:10 AM PST US From: "Rich" <4rcsimmons@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Don not archive Rich Simmons I work for Nissan Motor Manufacturing in Middle Tennesee. We build Cars and trucks. I am in the Quality group and do dimensional studies on why parts don't fit. Currently I use a 3D Laser Scanner and gather Point cloud data of a parts shape and compare it to CAD. Cool stuff if you like the world of 3d dimensioning. I am a Jack of all trades and master of absolutely nothing. Graduated after 20 years from the school of hard knocks! Didn't get a degree but you know them t-dhirtss they talk about? I have several of them!! Happy New Years, Rich 601 XL ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:21 AM PST US From: Richard Vetterli Subject: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Deputy Coroner. Rich Vetterli N56DV (reserved) 601XL/Corvair Finishing up left wing and working on engine. __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:34 AM PST US From: "David Mikesell" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Hmmm, well now I work at aircraft mechanic/skydiving instructor/tandem instructor. Retired Army Aviator, spent 8 years flying with the preceeding 12 as a mechanic. David Mikesell skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: billbutlergps@aim.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 7:14 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I have been involved in GPS / GIS for the over 12 years. I am currently employed by the City of Wichita Falls. I haven't purchased a 701 as of yet but will. My father (US Army retired Fixed Wing and Helicopter pilot, 22 years), My son (6 years old and crazy about airplanes), Myself (45 years old and crazy) went up to Oshkosh this summer (see enclosed pic). It was a great trip! Stopped by Mexico MO. on the way back and took a flight in a 701 and that finalized my decision. Now all it is a money thing and deciding on what power plant to go with. I plan to fly out of Wichita Falls to our ranch 60 miles South on grass runways and other short trips in this area. I hope that I can get going on this while my father is still active and he could enjoy it even more than I. As for my sons (6 years and 6 months), wife and myself I hope that we could enjoy the building and flying for years to come. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pacificpainting@comcast.net To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:08 AM Subject: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING HOLES AND GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING, WANT TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. OF COURSE YOU CAN DELETE ME FOR ASKING AND MAYBE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT KEY IS FOR. THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW. DAVE IN SALEM DO NOT ARCHIVE ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:42 AM PST US From: ernie Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Screw-up Hi, I found out that the .093 are custom. I search the archives for .093, and the use of 1/8 inch is approved. I just bought the wing kit. Wondering how hard it was for you building fuselage from scratch? How much do you think it cost you. I definitely could use the more money fo r the engine and instruments. Ernie On 12/29/06, Gary Boothe wrote: > > Ernie, > > > I don't recall seeing too many responses to your question. I cut my > extrusions down to =BE" on my table saw ' really not a problem. > > > And, Yes, you could say that I am a 'hybrid' builder. I bought kits for > the rudder, horiz.stabilizer, and wings. The rest will be scratch built. > > > Build one rib and you realize you can build just about anything. > > > Gary Boothe > Cool, CA > 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, > Tail done, wings done, working on c-section > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *ernie > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 27, 2006 10:17 AM > *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Zenith-List: Screw-up > > > Hi all, > > I am wondering the source scratch builders are getting their 3/4 x 3/4 x > .093 > Aluminum angle. Spruce has 3/4x3/4x1/8. I screwed up my elevator horn > doubler 6t3-6 by trimming off to much and was thinking that some raw > materials around the shop would be a good thing. > > All this talk from the scratch builders has me thinking, that I should be > able to recover from some mistakes that are simple. maybe a couple of sma ll > sheets or .040 and .032. To form some common parts. > > Is there such a thing as a hybrid builder out there? > > Thanks > > Ernie. > > Do not archive. > > On 12/27/06, *Bill Naumuk* wrote: > > Wade- > > Deja vu all over again! That damned Z spar was my first "Oops part", > too! You should see how many entries in my builder's log start with "Aaar gh! > I can't believe I did it again!" > > > do not archive > > Bill Naumuk > HDS Fuselage > Townville, Pa > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Gary Boothe > > *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:58 PM > > *Subject:* RE: Zenith-List: Screw-up > > > Wade, > > > I had ordered wing kits and cut the wrong angle on my 2nd rear spar. I > thought life was over. > > * * > > * * > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List* > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > * > > * > > * * > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > * * > > * > =========== =========== =========== > > * > > ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:37 AM PST US From: ernie Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Screw-up Sorry list meant to send that to Gary only. Hate when I do that. ernie On 12/29/06, ernie wrote: > > Hi, > > I found out that the .093 are custom. I search the archives for .093, and > the use of 1/8 inch is > approved. > > I just bought the wing kit. Wondering how hard it was for you building > fuselage from scratch? > How much do you think it cost you. I definitely could use the more money > for the engine and instruments. > > Ernie > > On 12/29/06, Gary Boothe < gboothe@calply.com> wrote: > > > > Ernie, > > > > > > > > I don't recall seeing too many responses to your question. I cut my > > extrusions down to =BE" on my table saw ' really not a problem. > > > > > > > > And, Yes, you could say that I am a 'hybrid' builder. I bought kits for > > the rudder, horiz.stabilizer, and wings. The rest will be scratch built .. > > > > > > > > > > Build one rib and you realize you can build just about anything. > > > > > > > > Gary Boothe > > Cool, CA > > 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, > > Tail done, wings done, working on c-section > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From:* owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > > owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *ernie > > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 27, 2006 10:17 AM > > *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com > > *Subject:* Re: Zenith-List: Screw-up > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I am wondering the source scratch builders are getting their 3/4 x 3/4 x > > .093 > > Aluminum angle. Spruce has 3/4x3/4x1/8. I screwed up my elevator horn > > doubler 6t3-6 by trimming off to much and was thinking that some raw > > materials around the shop would be a good thing. > > > > All this talk from the scratch builders has me thinking, that I should > > be able to recover from some mistakes that are simple. maybe a couple o f > > small sheets or .040 and .032. To form some common parts. > > > > Is there such a thing as a hybrid builder out there? > > > > Thanks > > > > Ernie. > > > > Do not archive. > > > > On 12/27/06, *Bill Naumuk* wrote: > > > > Wade- > > > > Deja vu all over again! That damned Z spar was my first "Oops part" , > > too! You should see how many entries in my builder's log start with "Aa argh! > > I can't believe I did it again!" > > > > > > do not archive > > > > Bill Naumuk > > HDS Fuselage > > Townville, Pa > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > * From:* Gary Boothe > > > > *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com > > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:58 PM > > > > *Subject:* RE: Zenith-List: Screw-up > > > > > > > > Wade, > > > > > > > > I had ordered wing kits and cut the wrong angle on my 2nd rear spar. I > > thought life was over. > > > > * * > > > > * * > > > > * > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List* > > > > * > > http://forums.matronics.com* > > > > * > > > > * > > > > * * > > > > * * > > > > * * > > > > ** > > > > ** > > > > ** > > > > ** > > > > ** > > > > ** > > > > * * > > > > * > > =========== > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List =========== > > http://forums.matronics.com =========== > > > > * > > > > > ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:37 AM PST US From: "Bill Steer" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I'm a semi-retired engineer who's been a computer programmer for the last thirty years or so. I spent over 30 years with Westinghouse doing nuclear power plant design. Then, after an involuntary retirement (read: a bunch of older guys who were making too much money were laid off), I went into software development full time. I now do programming for a small company about half time. My 601HD is the second plane I've built, and the most fun. The first one was a Volksplane II that never flew. 90% done and 90% to go on the 601. Bill Steer Hendersonville, NC (formerly Boothbay, ME) ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:24 AM PST US From: Trainnut01@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: A/C for your ac The only one I ever saw work was brand new. Did you ever see one of the add on units that used nitrogen from a storage tank, passed it through an expansion valve and an evaporator and then vented it overboard? Carroll do not archive ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:25 AM PST US From: "Michael Valentine" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I am a prosecutor in Manchester, NH. I got my ticket right after high school, but didn't pursue a career in aviation. Thus, I gave up flying b/c it seemed too expensive as a mere hobby. After bouncing around a bit I ended up in law school. Now my wife and I both have decent jobs and no kids, so I decided it was time to get back into flying. I got my flight review (fourteen year layoff and 5 hours of instruction/review (?) - but I suppose I am about as safe as I was with a new PPL when I was 18!!) and somehow decided that building a plane would be a good idea. Not completely sure about that decision now, but I keep plugging away and am looking forward to finishing some day. (I joined a club in the meantime so I have something to fly.) Michael in NH 601XL - finishing 2nd wing. On 12/29/06, Dave Ruddiman wrote: > > I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING HOLES > AND GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING, > WANT TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE > DO FOR A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. OF COURSE > YOU CAN DELETE ME FOR ASKING AND MAYBE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN > THAT'S WHAT THAT KEY IS FOR. THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW. > > DAVE IN SALEM > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:39 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED >> CAD templates for the form blocks of the 601XL These are only the rib templates: DWG: www.ch601.org/resources/rib%20templates/Rib%20Template%20dwg.zip PDF: www.ch601.org/resources/rib%20templates/Rib%20Template%20pdf.zip DXF: www.ch601.org/resources/rib%20templates/Rib%20Template%20dxf.zip The whole www.ch601.org site is worth a detailed read. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:36 AM PST US From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I just got out of the military after 15 years. -6 as a submarine mechanic and Navy diver, 6 as a pilot, and 3 as a college student. I was hired by General Atomics to fly the Predator, but quit after a month. -Currently negotiating a management position with GA. I fly here one weekends: http://barnstorming.com/ VR/ Brandon Tucker 601 HDS / td / Corvair 45 hours __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:14 AM PST US From: "J Core" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED How do you check .000075 and at what temp ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 9:13 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Dave- I'm a Quality Engineer and Quality Manager for an injection molding firm making parts to incredibly tight tolerances for the medical industry. When I say incredibly tight, we have one 16 cavity mold that we injection mold parts to plus/minus .000075, yet average a 7 percent scrap rate. Think about that for a moment and you'll know why I get so down on myself for not being able to keep a 2mm general tolerance. If I were my employee and was that careless at work, I would have fired myself long ago. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? DO NOT ARCHIVE href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:54 AM PST US From: Dabusmith@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Steering rod through firewall seals for 701 On my snowmobile boots, I packed them with a fireproof ceramic wool thats like the stuff you wrap headers with. The stuff is very flexible and loads easily from the slot thats on the engine side of the firewall. If flames get past that I have MUCH bigger problems, such as the cowling is burning by then... YMMV...Ben Haas I can only imagine the monster snowmobile you drive Ben! I used the thin red silicone coated fiberglass cloth. I am sure I could have sewn it better. It is holding up pretty well, but I have had to paint some red RTV over some small tears a couple of times. I have had problems with the left nose wheel steering rod wanting to bend. It is due to having to stand on the brakes during mag checks. I have straightened it a couple of times. I dare not straighten it again. I plan to use 4130 tubing with internal threads cut for the male rod ends. Any better ideas? Dave Smith N701XL 608hrs ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:04 AM PST US From: "NameChanged ToProtectTheGuilty" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED > WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? I am a freshwater sponge diver. When not doing that or working on my machine, I am a buggy whip maker to the rich & famous. Sincerely, NameChangeTo ProtectTheGuilty Very do not archive ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:46 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Rich- A fellow CMM jockey AND a homebuilder! Stay in touch off-list- there can't be too many more of us around! Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 10:46 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Don not archive Rich Simmons I work for Nissan Motor Manufacturing in Middle Tennesee. We build Cars and trucks. I am in the Quality group and do dimensional studies on why parts don't fit. Currently I use a 3D Laser Scanner and gather Point cloud data of a parts shape and compare it to CAD. Cool stuff if you like the world of 3d dimensioning. I am a Jack of all trades and master of absolutely nothing. Graduated after 20 years from the school of hard knocks! Didn't get a degree but you know them t-dhirtss they talk about? I have several of them!! Happy New Years, Rich 601 XL ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:29 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Screw-up Ernie- Happens all the time. Do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: ernie To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:07 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Screw-up Sorry list meant to send that to Gary only. Hate when I do that. ernie On 12/29/06, ernie wrote: Hi, I found out that the .093 are custom. I search the archives for .093, and the use of 1/8 inch is approved. I just bought the wing kit. Wondering how hard it was for you building fuselage from scratch? How much do you think it cost you. I definitely could use the more money for the engine and instruments. Ernie On 12/29/06, Gary Boothe < gboothe@calply.com> wrote: Ernie, I don't recall seeing too many responses to your question. I cut my extrusions down to =BE" on my table saw ' really not a problem. And, Yes, you could say that I am a 'hybrid' builder. I bought kits for the rudder, horiz.stabilizer, and wings. The rest will be scratch built. Build one rib and you realize you can build just about anything. Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, Tail done, wings done, working on c-section ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ernie Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 10:17 AM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Screw-up Hi all, I am wondering the source scratch builders are getting their 3/4 x 3/4 x .093 Aluminum angle. Spruce has 3/4x3/4x1/8. I screwed up my elevator horn doubler 6t3-6 by trimming off to much and was thinking that some raw materials around the shop would be a good thing. All this talk from the scratch builders has me thinking, that I should be able to recover from some mistakes that are simple. maybe a couple of small sheets or .040 and .032. To form some common parts. Is there such a thing as a hybrid builder out there? Thanks Ernie. Do not archive. On 12/27/06, Bill Naumuk wrote: Wade- Deja vu all over again! That damned Z spar was my first "Oops part", too! You should see how many entries in my builder's log start with "Aaargh! I can't believe I did it again!" do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:58 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Screw-up Wade, I had ordered wing kits and cut the wrong angle on my 2nd rear spar. I thought life was over. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List http://forums.matronics.com = the many List utilities such as the Subscriptions page, .matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List k" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:30 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED N61601: you can run but you can not hide: http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=61601 -- Craig _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of NameChanged ToProtectTheGuilty Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 9:22 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED > WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? I am a freshwater sponge diver. When not doing that or working on my machine, I am a buggy whip maker to the rich & famous. Sincerely, NameChangeTo ProtectTheGuilty Very do not archive ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:25 AM PST US From: NYTerminat Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I am a retired General Contractor who does missionary building projects for several organizations. Bob Spudis, Upstate NY In a message dated 12/29/06 01:10:02 Eastern Standard Time, pacificpainting@comcast.net writes: I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING HOLES AND GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING, WANT TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. OF COURSE YOU CAN DELETE ME FOR ASKING AND MAYBE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT KEY IS FOR. THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW. DAVE IN SALEM DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 58 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:47 AM PST US From: "Todd Osborne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I am also a computer programmer, been doing that since the 70's, professionally for 17 years now. I live just outside of Madison, WI but work for a resort in Orlando, FL so I travel down there a lot. I am the world slowest airplane builder. Todd Osborne Internet E-Mail: todd@toddtown.com Skype: toddmosborne Web Site: www.toddtown.com MSN (Windows) Messenger: todd@toddtown.com Yahoo! Messenger: ToddMOsborne AOL Instant Messenger: toddosborn@aol.com ________________________________ Message 59 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:40 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED From: "Carlos Sa" Hello, Dave, listers Dave, thanks for starting this thread, it is fascinating reading! Many winters ago, while I was on my second year of Electrical Engineering, I got a part time job as computer programmer. I did get my degree in Electrical Engineering, but have been in IT since then (1972). I worked as a System Programmer on zSeries since they were called simply /370, and eventually (8 years ago) got the job I have today. It consists of creating service offerings for outsourcing IT services. I work from home about 50% of the time, and the rest of the time I work wherever the client's head office is (frequently Toronto). Happy New Year to all! Carlos CH601-HD, plans Montreal, Canada > "pacificpainting(at)comcas"... WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. ... > > DAVE IN SALEM > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84255#84255 ________________________________ Message 60 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:27 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED From: billbutlergps@aim.com Craig, You beat me to it =:-) Bill -----Original Message----- From: craig@craigandjean.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:30 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED N61601: you can run but you can not hide: http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=61601 -- Craig From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of NameChanged ToProtectTheGuilty Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 9:22 AM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED > WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? I am a freshwater sponge diver. When not doing that or working on my machine, I am a buggy whip maker to the rich & famous. Sincerely, NameChangeTo ProtectTheGuilty Very do not archive href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ________________________________ Message 61 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:07 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED J- Per customer specification, laser mike calibrated to .00003 with XXX gage pins, average of 16 readings on the critical diameter. Part spec is plus/minus .0001, we flag at 75% and make adjustments. Atmosphere environmentally controlled to 70 deg plus/minus 2, 30 deg RH plus/minus 3. 1 hour stabilization period before measurement. (4 hours after shutdown of environmental controls or laser mike). I know what you're thinking- in reality, you can't keep that kind of tolerance in plastic. The customer obviously built in a slop factor to meet his true requirements. Still, you have to admit that's disgustingly tight. That's why I make the big bucks. Hah! You can imagine the fights we've had over the years between process engineering and QA. It wasn't until we recently designed and built a custom chuck for the laser mike that everyone involved didn't cringe when this job started up! Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: J Core To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED How do you check .000075 and at what temp? ________________________________ Message 62 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:22 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED So I think we are all covered. We have CAD folks, engineers, skilled machinists and painters, people who know GPS and ATC. We have way too many computer people but we can start working on the fly-by-wire 601. A few folks on the list actually make a living in aviation (or are trying)! And if things don't quite work out we have nurses, doctors, dentists, lawyers, coroners, church folk and a band director for music at the funeral :-) -- Craig do not archive ________________________________ Message 63 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:07 AM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED We are a manufacturer of Brass Padlocks. We are the largest padlock manufacturer West of the Mississippi (easy when you are the ONLY one in the West). We are also the World's smallest padlock manufacturer. www.newstandardpadlocks.com Regards, Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? DAVE IN SALEM DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 64 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:09 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I use the same controls in my shop (garage) - just different numbers.. Gary Do not archive _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:59 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED J- Per customer specification, laser mike calibrated to .00003 with XXX gage pins, average of 16 readings on the critical diameter. Part spec is plus/minus .0001, we flag at 75% and make adjustments. Atmosphere environmentally controlled to 70 deg plus/minus 2, 30 deg RH plus/minus 3. 1 hour stabilization period before measurement. (4 hours after shutdown of environmental controls or laser mike). I know what you're thinking- in reality, you can't keep that kind of tolerance in plastic. The customer obviously built in a slop factor to meet his true requirements. Still, you have to admit that's disgustingly tight. That's why I make the big bucks. Hah! You can imagine the fights we've had over the years between process engineering and QA. It wasn't until we recently designed and built a custom chuck for the laser mike that everyone involved didn't cringe when this job started up! Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: J Core Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED How do you check .000075 and at what temp? ________________________________ Message 65 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:49 AM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel fittings modification If you cut it off it will go in further. do not archive ________________________________ Message 66 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:14 AM PST US From: "Jerry Latimer" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: I messed up skinning my rudder I had the same problem at the rudder workshop and Roger at ZAC did exactly what Gary suggests except we were able to use A4 rivets. The rudder came out fine. Jerry Latimer 601 HDS 912 -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 7:24 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: I messed up skinning my rudder Why not drill out the rivets, re-shim the pieces and switch to A5's, if necessary? In fact, I have heard that merely re-shimming and re-riveting often does the job. It's worth a try.... Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, Tail done, wings done, working on c-section -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Gustafson Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 6:07 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: I messed up skinning my rudder Jon Been there done that. I have 2 rudders, one for show and tell and one good one on my 601. You might have 2 also! The second one goes so much better. Aaron G do not archive >> There is a twist... or it is flat on one side. I had the 3/4 in > block under the trailing edge, but it didn't turn out correctly. One side > is flat, and the trailing edge is up 1 1/2 in on the flip side. ________________________________ Message 67 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:33 AM PST US From: steve@cccparis.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I'm a counselor and a minister building a new church, scratch building my 701 keeps me sane keeps me sane keeps me sane keeps me sane. . . Steve Russell 701 scratch Paris, TX Do NOT ARCHIEVE > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > > > > > > I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING HOLES AND GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING, WANT TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. OF COURSE YOU CAN DELETE ME FOR ASKING AND MAYBE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT KEY IS FOR. THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW. > > DAVE IN SALEM > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > ____________________________________________________________________ Powered by Easy Address website manager (http://www.easyaddress.net) ________________________________ Message 68 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:49 AM PST US From: "Clyde Barcus" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I know your pain, we sell carbide seal faces that must be within two light-bands in flatness. Occasionally we have a problem with customers that don't have the quality of equipment we have, I know you understand our pain. Clyde Barcus Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 10:58 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED J- Per customer specification, laser mike calibrated to .00003 with XXX gage pins, average of 16 readings on the critical diameter. Part spec is plus/minus .0001, we flag at 75% and make adjustments. Atmosphere environmentally controlled to 70 deg plus/minus 2, 30 deg RH plus/minus 3. 1 hour stabilization period before measurement. (4 hours after shutdown of environmental controls or laser mike). I know what you're thinking- in reality, you can't keep that kind of tolerance in plastic. The customer obviously built in a slop factor to meet his true requirements. Still, you have to admit that's disgustingly tight. That's why I make the big bucks. Hah! You can imagine the fights we've had over the years between process engineering and QA. It wasn't until we recently designed and built a custom chuck for the laser mike that everyone involved didn't cringe when this job started up! Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: J Core To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED How do you check .000075 and at what temp? ________________________________ Message 69 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:09 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Gary- What's the big deal? I get paid triple time for regurgitating this information on my vacation, don't I? do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 12:09 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I use the same controls in my shop (garage) - just different numbers.. Gary Do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:59 AM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED J- Per customer specification, laser mike calibrated to .00003 with XXX gage pins, average of 16 readings on the critical diameter. Part spec is plus/minus .0001, we flag at 75% and make adjustments. Atmosphere environmentally controlled to 70 deg plus/minus 2, 30 deg RH plus/minus 3. 1 hour stabilization period before measurement. (4 hours after shutdown of environmental controls or laser mike). I know what you're thinking- in reality, you can't keep that kind of tolerance in plastic. The customer obviously built in a slop factor to meet his true requirements. Still, you have to admit that's disgustingly tight. That's why I make the big bucks. Hah! You can imagine the fights we've had over the years between process engineering and QA. It wasn't until we recently designed and built a custom chuck for the laser mike that everyone involved didn't cringe when this job started up! Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: J Core To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED How do you check .000075 and at what temp? ________________________________ Message 70 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:26 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: I messed up skinning my rudder Did I miss something, or was the crease edge on the wrong side? No big deal- just tell everyone you're building a Mooney. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 71 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:38 AM PST US From: NYTerminat Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: A/C for your ac Had a 81 Piper Saratoga that had the air conditioner, worked well Bob Spudis do not archive In a message dated 12/29/06 10:40:10 Eastern Standard Time, wr.giacona@cox.net writes: And between 1978 and 1997 I flew in about 5 or 6 of those '70s vintage, air conditioned Pipers and in not a single one of them the A/C worked. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84230#84230 ________________________________ Message 72 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:09 AM PST US From: Mike Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Own & operate a commercial real estate management company. Volunteer for search & rescue team. Drummer in several bands. Trying to finish this damn plane, but not enough time. :) Mike Fortunato 601XL, Jab 3300 Alta Loma, CA do not archive __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 73 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:23 AM PST US From: JERICKSON03E@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Hi Dave, Great question. I'm retired now, army aviation civilian specialist for QA, maintenance, logistics & program management. Along the way was a navy AC structural mechanic, Air Guard AC mechanic & Maintenance Ofcr. Some where in there was an AC maintenance engr. with MAC AIR in Saint Louis, fast airplanes. Fastest AC project was the B-70, hydraulic power systems, Vickers Aerospace. Slowest AC project is the Z 701 living in my workshop. Stay interested through the EAA, Tech Councelor,,,fabric covering instruction at Osh in 06,,, and the Zenith builder list. A&P just for fun. Thanks, and bless us builders one and all. Jerry Lake Saint Louis, MO ________________________________ Message 74 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:57 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED From: "Tim Juhl" I retired from teaching high school biology and chemistry after 34 years (2005.) I've been flying since 1975 and am a CFII. I've owned a 172, 182 and Aeronca Champ (still have the Champ.) The XL is my first attempt at homebuilding. I'm also partners in a small video production business that specializes in producing videos on shipwrecks in the Great Lakes and elsewhere. We currently use Sony High Def cameras in UW housings and get some great stuff, even the occasional airplane! Tim Do not archive -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84280#84280 ________________________________ Message 75 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:56 AM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Dave: I was an aeronautical engineer for 38 plus years. I worked as a design engineer for Cessna, McDonnell, and retired after 29 years with Boeing. Between Mac and Boeing I spent 4 1/2 years helping to design and develop the Skyway AC-35 autogiro. This was the last such aircraft to legitimately use the designation "autogiro". All since are autogyros or gyroplanes. I am currently taking way too long to finish my 601HD. George Swinford Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Ruddiman To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 10:08 PM Subject: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING HOLES AND GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING, WANT TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. OF COURSE YOU CAN DELETE ME FOR ASKING AND MAYBE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT KEY IS FOR. THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW. DAVE IN SALEM DO NOT ARCHIVE ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 12/28/2006 ________________________________ Message 76 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:00 AM PST US From: Robert Schoenberger Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED This is a fun question for the holidays, and everyone is in a good mood. I graduated in civil engineering in the late fifties and got my PE license. I started with a consulting engineering firm which designed subdivisions and other land related projects. After attending planning board meetings 3 to 4 mights a week for 17 years, I sold my interests in the firm and started in land brokerage which I still occasionally do. Early in this second career I backed into upscale homebuilding which I did for 25 years, quiting that about 2 years ago. Now my wife and I just buy and develop land which is a real joy. We also have purchased 34 acres and plan to build a home thereon. The hanger is already done. I have the big boy's toys like a dozer, etc. Any day one can drive a dozer or drive around in a pickup looking for land is a good day. 43 years old and trapped in a 70 year old body - I only have 30 good ones left. Everyone have a quality new year. Robert Schoenberger, Pittsford, NY 701 60% do not archive. Dave Ruddiman wrote: > I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING > HOLES AND GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT > ARE BUILDING, WANT TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. > WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING > CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. OF COURSE YOU CAN DELETE ME FOR ASKING AND > MAYBE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT KEY IS FOR. > THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW. > > DAVE IN SALEM > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > * > > > * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ________________________________ Message 77 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:49 AM PST US From: "Dave Johnson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel fittings modification I didn't catch the start of that thread - that sounds like very painful advice! (sorry - I guess it's Brit. sense of humour!) Dave Johnson do not archive - please! ----- Original Message ----- From: Afterfxllc@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel fittings modification If you cut it off it will go in further. do not archive ________________________________ Message 78 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:14 AM PST US From: David Wright Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Craig Add to the list a 30 year detective, who could take his pension in March - but has two high maintenance daughters who will ensure he keeps working!!! Dave 601XL - scratchbuild wings Washington UK On 29 Dec 2006, at 17:04, Craig Payne wrote: > So I think we are all covered. We have CAD folks, engineers, > skilled machinists and painters, people who know GPS and ATC. > > We have way too many computer people but we can start working on > the fly-by-wire 601. > > A few folks on the list actually make a living in aviation (or are > trying)! > > And if things don't quite work out we have nurses, doctors, > dentists, lawyers, coroners, church folk and a band director for > music at the funeral :-) > > -- Craig > > do not archive > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > =========================================================== > ________________________________ Message 79 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:34 PM PST US From: David Downey Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Hi Ron; I am still trying to make the decision between the XL and a RV9! If I do go the XL route, I will be reversing the entire design into CAD - that is just the way I like to work; it is a virtual build that really exposes questions before chips start to fall. If you are still looking then and I do go that way I would be glad to send you the templates for the form blocks. When I do the development of the patterns I will be putting the springback corrections in per the Boeing design handbook values for 6061T6 sheet. Has anyone used T4 for the formed parts? Seems like there might be a major advantage. Ron Lalonde wrote: Hi Gang Well, all you fellas seem to have pretty illustrious careers!! Myself, I retired from the Air Force in 1995, and am now a janitor at a small elementary school. I previously built a Volksplane and have most of the major parts of a LongEZ in my basement. My son and I went to Oshkosh last summer and he fell in love with the Zenith 601XL, which I recently started building. PS: With all you CAD people and programmers on board is there anyone of you that have or know where I can obtain CAD templates for the form blocks of the 601XL....contact me offlist...rlalonde@hotmail.com.....Tks Ron Lalonde Debert, Nova Scotia, Canada 601XL _________________________________________________________________ Off to school, going on a trip, or moving? Windows Live (MSN) Messenger lets you stay in touch with friends and family wherever you go. Click here to find out how to sign up! http://www.live.com/?mkt=en-ca Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 80 ____________________________________ Time: 12:06:13 PM PST US From: Mike Subject: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Own & operate a commercial real estate management company. Volunteer for search & rescue team. Drummer in several bands. Trying to finish this damn plane, but not enough time. :) Mike Fortunato 601XL, Jab 3300 Alta Loma, CA do not archive __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 81 ____________________________________ Time: 12:07:37 PM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED It might be a useful thing to have a set of form blocks milled from aluminum that could be shared between the continuing strinjg of scratch builders. I'm a sysprog on IBM zSeries boxes. (the big ones) I'm pretty sure that has something to do with computers. Oh, I code in a dozen or so languages and play with Unix systems. (More computer stuff, I think.) For fun, I play with CNC and microcontrollers, so I may be contacting some of you off list. Thank you for starting this thread. It helps to get to know some of our fellow posters. Regards, Kevin Kinney Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84225#84225 Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 82 ____________________________________ Time: 12:32:57 PM PST US From: "Ron Culver" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED After a stint in the US Army as a Hospital Lab Tech most of the time in Germany I finished my Bachelors at SUNY Albany. Taught, 3 years teaching high school in Endicott NY Two years at a middle school in Niskayuna,NY ... When Sputnik went up the NSF paid for me to get a Masters at Duke in Durham,NC.. The last 25 years was spent teaching Biology and Ecology at HVCC ( a community college) Troy,NY. After I retired I built a geodesic Dome from scratch except for the steel hubs.. I got the airplane bug late in life after flying a WW2 flight sim ( Warbirds) going to OshKosh and seeing the warbirds : the Zero,Spitfire,P-51's etc etc... and a TBM similar to that my bro flew in WW2 I got the bug! Now I have belonged to The EAA and the AOPA for over 5 years and God willing hope to finish my scratch built ( early stages heh) 701 before I am too old to fly it.. I do have a MiniMax but need a two seater for my lovely Mimi to share the fun! Sorry to be so long but this is OT eh? 8^) Ron Culver ( 72 in a month or so ) ----- Original Message ----- From: David Wright To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 2:21 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Craig Add to the list a 30 year detective, who could take his pension in March - but has two high maintenance daughters who will ensure he keeps working!!! Dave 601XL - scratchbuild wings Washington UK On 29 Dec 2006, at 17:04, Craig Payne wrote: So I think we are all covered. We have CAD folks, engineers, skilled machinists and painters, people who know GPS and ATC. We have way too many computer people but we can start working on the fly-by-wire 601. A few folks on the list actually make a living in aviation (or are trying)! And if things don't quite work out we have nurses, doctors, dentists, lawyers, coroners, church folk and a band director for music at the funeral :-) -- Craig do not archive - The Zenith-List Email Forum class="Apple-converted-space"> --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> --> http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 83 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:57 PM PST US From: "Roger Venables" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I'm a software developer Roger Kenmore, WA _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ruddiman Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 10:09 PM Subject: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING HOLES AND GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING, WANT TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. OF COURSE YOU CAN DELETE ME FOR ASKING AND MAYBE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT KEY IS FOR. THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW. DAVE IN SALEM DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 84 ____________________________________ Time: 01:26:03 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED From: "Gig Giacona" COO of a small Professional Employer Organization. We outsource payroll and Human Resource Services for small businesses. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84324#84324 ________________________________ Message 85 ____________________________________ Time: 01:28:01 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED From: crvsecretary@aol.com Hello Listers: Looks like I'm the underachiever of the bunch - I'm a Technical Service Specialist for a company that manufactures tankless electric water heaters. After a 30 year career in Graphic Arts - from printing press operator to field service to tech support specialist - I was downsized as the domestic graphic arts machinery imploded here in the Northeast. I worked for a year as a Project Administrator for a company that manufactures airport lighting. Yes, I know more about MIRL, HIRL, MALSR, ODALS, REILS, (is that enough acronyms for you????) beacons, windsocks, obstruction lighting and airport signs than anyone should need to know. When they started with layoffs I was getting out on my schedule, not thiers! I finished my BS in Management 4 months ago (yes, I know - late bloomer) after an AS in Manufacturing Engineering Technology. I love to learn. Happy New Year everyone! Tracy Smith Naugatuck, CT 601XL kits -N458XL (reserved) tail complete - wings 25% Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: pacificpainting@comcast.net Sent: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 1:08 AM Subject: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING HOLES AND GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING, WANT TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. OF COURSE YOU CAN DELETE ME FOR ASKING AND MAYBE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT KEY IS FOR. THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW. DAVE IN SALEM DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 86 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:50 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Robot programmer and retired naval reservist (avionics technician). -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 87 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:54 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED From: "eedetail" Another Cad jockey here - I am a structural steel detailer, my firm makes shop drawings of steel skeletons for buildings. I bought my 601HD used, maybe if I ever retire I'll build my own. TimE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84331#84331 ________________________________ Message 88 ____________________________________ Time: 01:55:11 PM PST US From: Dan Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Semi-retired water manager. Started with hang gliders in 1970, ultralights since 1990 and now a newly minted Sport Pilot. Building a 701. Dan Wilde ________________________________ Message 89 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:52 PM PST US From: "Matt Stecher" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED My turn, I am a 39 year old Naval Architect with an offshore engineering company, based in Houston, but with offices around the world. This is as close as I could get to yacht design and still make a living. Mostly I push a computer around my desk with design and stability tasks for our FPSO (Floating, Production, Storage & Offloading) conversions. We take big tankers (VLCC class) and moor them offshore above a sub sea field and take on crude, refine it, and spit it into shuttle tankers that come along to collect it. I also designed oilfield equipment for two years, animal cages for a few and worked with Rockwell at NASA as a cad drafter for awhile. My affair with flying also began later than some. I have been excited about flying for about 10 years, but have not been able to due to money. 7 years ago I started flight training and that lasted for about 4 hours before I figured out that I still could not afford it. Than last year the bug really bit and I now have about 15 hours. I have always been enamored with homebuilts as well. The cozy's and longez's really catch my eye, but I really dislike working with messy composites so they were out. It took William Wynne and his Corvair work to finally convince me that I could afford it. The XL and Corvair seem to be a perfect match and well within my abilities. I have not really started but have everything collected that I need to begin the tail. I am enjoying meeting the folks by email and in person who have "been there and done that". Having a blast in Houston, Happy Newyear Matt ________________________________ Message 90 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:10 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED From: "Tommy Walker" Born 1/27/1943. @ Knoxville, TN. USAF 1961-1965 Aircraft Mechanic (APG) C-130 Hurcules. Currently live in Anniston, AL. Educated beyond my intelligence School Teacher, etc.... Retired 1996. Second Career http://www.sti-k12.com for 9 years. Retired 2nd time. Now independent Contractor, installing K-12 Admin Systems and training users. First flight in J3 Cub in 1956. Co-owned 1959 Cessna 175, sold it in 2004. Let medical lapse. Begin building N8701 in August 2004. Rotax 912ULS I'm a better reader than builder, but we're getting there. Met some of the greatest folks here on the Zenith list. Tommy Walker in Alabama Do Not Archive -------- Tommy Walker Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84338#84338 ________________________________ Message 91 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:14 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel fittings modification Hi John, I have some good news and some bad news. The pipe thread fittings should not bottom in the female threads. Both male and female are tapered so the threads make a seal when the parts are screwed together. This means cutting off some of the narrow portion of the male thread won't make any difference in how deep the male part goes. The good news is the fittings are not expensive and are available in any hardware store. So, you can give it a try and replace the part if you don't like the results. Good luck, Paul XL fuselage At 04:39 AM 12/29/2006, you wrote: > >hi list > >i want to cut off some of the threads on one of my 90 >degree fuel fitting exiting the fuel selector. i am >making the center consul more narrow and the left tank >fuel line restricts the width of it if i want the fuel >lines to be hidden. it looks like there is about 3/8 >of an inch of thread showing after installation in the >fuel selector. i want to cut the end off the threads >so that it screws all the way into the selector. it >looks like it is a little tappered so i am wondering >if cutting off the end will be a problem. > >regards >john butterfield >601XL, corvair >torrance, ca > >__________________________________________________ > >_- - ________________________________ Message 92 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:24 PM PST US From: "Darrell Haas" Subject: Zenith-List: air compresser I'm trying to build up my tools to build a 601xl. Anyone have advice on the specs for a good air compressor to run my riveter and paint equipment. Any and all advice appreciated. Darrell Troutdale, Oregon Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 93 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:11 PM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Well Todd, if you are the "world slowest airplane builder", you have company. I have been "building" my 601 HD since 1994. That is a dozen years so far. Who was it that said 400 hours? It is just about ready to make the trip to the airport now so the end of the initial building sequence is somewhat near. Jeff Davidson Do not archive _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Todd Osborne Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:47 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I am also a computer programmer, been doing that since the 70's, professionally for 17 years now. I live just outside of Madison, WI but work for a resort in Orlando, FL so I travel down there a lot. I am the world slowest airplane builder. Todd Osborne ________________________________ Message 94 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:19 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: air compresser Hi Darrell, I got a nice compressor at the Tool Peddler on 82nd Ave. last year. It is Eagle brand from Canada. It has a vertical tank and wheels. The most important feature is it runs from a motor and belt rather than a direct drive compressor. That means it is quiet instead of incredibly noisy. Good luck, Paul XL fuselage Camas, WA - about 10 miles north of Troutdale. At 03:15 PM 12/29/2006, you wrote: >I'm trying to build up my tools to build a 601xl. Anyone have advice >on the specs for a good air compressor to run my riveter and paint >equipment. Any and all advice appreciated. >Darrell >Troutdale, Oregon >Do not archive. --------------------------------------------- Paul Mulwitz 32013 NE Dial Road Camas, WA 98607 --------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 95 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:58 PM PST US From: "Darrell Haas" Subject: Zenith-List: sequence of kits Thanks Jeff for the info. Is there a preferred sequence as far as which kit one should work on? I will probably start with the rudder kit like many others but where should I go from there? Darrell DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 96 ____________________________________ Time: 04:31:40 PM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I am now retired after 39 years at Albion College. I have been a computer builder, software program designer/writer, Plant Supervisor, Director of Audio Visual, Telecommunications Manager, Voice Mail guru, ID Card and Electronic Lock designer, and for the last 2 years of my career, the Owners Representative for the College of a $42 Million building project. I only started flying 3 years ago. Have 77 hours in a C172, soloed, cross country, etc. FAA put me on a Medical leash, doing a $5000+ Nuclear Stress Test once a year due to stints back in 1995. Did not do my check ride but decided to build my own airplane and go the Sport Pilot route, finishing my Student training time in my own CH-701. Now better than half way built, hope to have it in the air by summer or fall of 07. The future N73EX! George in Albion MI ________________________________ Message 97 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:48 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Steering rod boots - ceramic wool There are two styles of this wrapping. The first one most often seen is the stuff thats about 2" wide and wraps around the header tubes, kinda l ike an Ace bandage. This stuff is tightly braided and a pain to unweave. The other stuff comes in sheets around 12" wide and is foil faced. It i s much easier to unravel, just cut it in 1" strips with scissors and pul l it apart with some needle nose pliers. Quick and simple.... Jegs and S ummit both sell it and I have seen the same stuff at the local NAPA stor e too... Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> wrote: I'd like to pack my boots! What's it called, where to get it??----- Orig inal Message ----- From: n801bh@netzero.com To: zenith-list@matronics.co m Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:25 AMSubject: Re: Zenith-List: Steer ing rod through firewall seals for 701 On my snowmobile boots, I packed them with a fireproof ceramic wool that s like the stuff you wrap headers with. The stuff is very flexible and l oads easily from the slot thats on the engine side of the firewall. If f lames get past that I have MUCH bigger problems, such as the cowling is burning by then... YMMV... Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Mike Hoffman" wrote: .com> I am having a problem figuring out the best way to seal where the steeri ng rods pass through the firewall on a 701. I tried building a shutter l ike the 601 use, but not enough space. Didn't want to use the snowmobile boots because I wanted something fire proof. I made plates to hold a pi ece of red rubber baffle material on the engine side of the firewall, bu t the material I used was too thick. Also I could only fasten it on 3 si des and would not seal very well. (I think this might be the solution if I could find a better product). I am now thinking about a whisker type material but unable to find any. Has anybody already done this and have a better solution? Mike H Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.============ =========== - The Zenith-List Email Forum - Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Brow============ ===========sp; - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS == ======================== href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matro ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ===================== There are two styles of this wrapping. The first one most oft en seen is the stuff thats about 2" wide and wraps around the header tub es, kinda like an Ace bandage. This stuff is tightly braided and a pain to unweave. The other stuff comes in sheets around 12" wide and is foil faced. It is much easier to unravel, just cut it in 1" strips with  scissors and pull it apart with some needle nose pliers. Quick and simple.... Jegs and Summit both sell it and I have seen the sa me stuff at the local NAPA store too...


Ben Haas
N80 1BH
www.haaspowerair.com

-- "Robin Bellach" < ;601zv@ritternet.com> wrote:
I'd like to pack my boots! What's it ca lled, where to get it??
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Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8 :25 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Steerin g rod through firewall seals for 701

On my snowmobile boots, I packed them with a fireproof ceramic wool t hats like the stuff you wrap headers with. The stuff is very flexible an d loads easily from the slot thats on the engine side of the firewa ll. If flames get past that I have MUCH bigger problems, such as the cow ling is burning by then... YMMV...




Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com

--  "Mike Hoffman" <mhoffman9@tampabay.rr.com> wr ote:
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I  am having a problem figuring out the  best way to seal where the steering r ods pass through the firewall on a 70 1. I tried building a shutter like th e 601 use, but not enough space. Didn 't want to use the snowmobile boots b ecause I wanted something fire proof. I&nb sp;made plates to hold a piece of red  rubber baffle material on the engine  ;side of the firewall, but the material&nb sp;I used was too thick. Also I could  only fasten it on 3 sides and w ould not seal very well. (I think thi s might be the solution if I could&nb sp;find a better product). I am now t hinking about a whisker type material but& nbsp;unable to find any. 

Has anybody&nb sp;already done this and have a better&nbs p;solution?

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________________________________ Message 98 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:05 PM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: air compresser Hi Darrell: A couple of years ago I bought a nice vertical 33 gallon, on wheels, from Sears. It is NOT a belt drive and is very noisy. Fortunately I keep the compressor out in the hanger, divided off from the shop by a 2X4 insulated wall. Works great and they have them on sale quite often, good price less than $300. But it is NOISY! George ________________________________ Message 99 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:10 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Hi Dave: For a living I spent 30 years doing the electromechanical design of high speed line and serial printers and disk drives. I then changed careers and did marketing of integrated circuits. For the last ten years prior to retiring I was engineering and group manager for a semiconductor group that designed custom ic's for computer peripherals. Our group designed the first and only chipset to fully support all of the seven DVD standards. I retired three years ago to have some fun. I am a SEL and Glider rated pilot.I have a PA28-182 which is for sale to finance the completion of the 701. I have also built model aircraft for fifty or so years. I am the newsletter editor for a model aircraft club. I am busily at work on a CH701 (built just like the plans)! Happy new year to all. John Read - CH701 in Colorado BTW this snow is becoming a pain, I just spent 5 hours on my tractor moving snow. Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 100 ___________________________________ Time: 05:13:50 PM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel fittings modification it would also be feasible to cut off the male and deepen the tapered pipe thread in the body. You might have to cut the tap off progressively as you deepen the female thread. Make very sure that you COMPLETELY remove ALL cuttings or chips. ALL of them... Hi John, I have some good news and some bad news. The pipe thread fittings should not bottom in the female threads. Both male and female are tapered so the threads make a seal when the parts are screwed together. This means cutting off some of the narrow portion of the male thread won't make any difference in how deep the male part goes. The good news is the fittings are not expensive and are available in any hardware store. So, you can give it a try and replace the part if you don't like the results. Good luck, Paul XL fuselage At 04:39 AM 12/29/2006, you wrote: > >hi list > >i want to cut off some of the threads on one of my 90 >degree fuel fitting exiting the fuel selector. i am >making the center consul more narrow and the left tank >fuel line restricts the width of it if i want the fuel >lines to be hidden. it looks like there is about 3/8 >of an inch of thread showing after installation in the >fuel selector. i want to cut the end off the threads >so that it screws all the way into the selector. it >looks like it is a little tappered so i am wondering >if cutting off the end will be a problem. > >regards >john butterfield >601XL, corvair >torrance, ca > >__________________________________________________ > >_- - Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 101 ___________________________________ Time: 06:20:47 PM PST US From: "John Bolding" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Sold , designed, installed paint spray booths and paint spray equipment ( electrostatic, powder)for 34 yrs along the Texas Coast, now do rent property and provide kits and welded fuselages for the Legal/Double Eagle Ultralight- Sport Aircraft. Learned to fly in a C170 in the 60's, have owned a c-180, Tripacer, Lake,AG-14 (only 5 made). Restored a Seabee that flew the Atlantic.(not with ME) Rebuild projects have been a Pacer and Champ (still have). Homebuilts have been an RV3, Glasair and Legal Eagle (unfinished) Currently am 30% into a 701 on amphibs. Also have an F-1 Rocket kit I'm working on sporadically.(when you look up "attention defecite disorder" on Google that's my picture out to the side) LOTS of interesting folks on this list!!! LOW&SLOW John Bolding ________________________________ Message 102 ___________________________________ Time: 06:26:06 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: sequence of kits From: "Tim Juhl" For the XL it was suggested to me to do rudder, horiz. stab, elevator, flaps, ailerons, wings, and fuselage. Read ahead, study the plans and don't be afraid to ask for advice. The kit is well designed but there is still plenty of opportunity to screw up. Careful planning reduces the amount of scrap aluminum you'll produce. :-) Tim Do not archive -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84377#84377 ________________________________ Message 103 ___________________________________ Time: 06:49:03 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: sequence of kits Darrell, My sequence was rudder, stabilizer/elevator, wings (along with nav/strobes & landing/taxi lights and controls), fuselage, dual sticks, canopy and landing gear. I rigged the aileron cables before I closed my wings. Canopy and main landing gear get in the way of other stuff if done too early. The nose gear can be completed after the fuselage is nearly complete, but before the engine mount is installed. You can't really complete the canopy until your engine mount is bolted into place, your completed instrument panel and the forward top skin are finally riveted in place. This is probably an over-simplification, but you will begin to get the picture as you proceed. Jay in Dallas Do not archive "Darrell Haas" wrote: >Thanks Jeff for the info. Is there a preferred sequence as far as which kit one should work on? I will probably start with the rudder kit like many others but where should I go from there? >Darrell >DO NOT ARCHIVE > ________________________________ Message 104 ___________________________________ Time: 06:57:25 PM PST US From: "Roger Venables" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: sequence of kits Did my wings before the flaps and slats because I read that you needed to make sure that the brackets on the flaps and slats fitted the wing. Roger 701 - completing rear fuselage (tonight I hope) -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Juhl Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 6:26 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: sequence of kits For the XL it was suggested to me to do rudder, horiz. stab, elevator, flaps, ailerons, wings, and fuselage. Read ahead, study the plans and don't be afraid to ask for advice. The kit is well designed but there is still plenty of opportunity to screw up. Careful planning reduces the amount of scrap aluminum you'll produce. :-) Tim Do not archive -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84377#84377 ________________________________ Message 105 ___________________________________ Time: 07:03:15 PM PST US From: "Richard Harvey" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I am a clinical psychologist working for the VA for the last 30+ years. I flew intermittantly for several years back in the 1970's, then quit for 20+ years (kids, careers, etc), and have been back to flying on and off for about the last 6 years. I'm building a 601 XL from the kits- my first such project. I will power it with the Jabiru 3300 and Senenich wooden prop. Parts all over the house and the shed, the main body in the garage. Learning a lot and loving it too! I'm probably about 2/3 done, but the progress is sure slow what with working full time, mucho yard to keep up with, etc. In any case, interesting string here... ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Ruddiman To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 1:08 AM Subject: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING HOLES AND GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING, WANT TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. OF COURSE YOU CAN DELETE ME FOR ASKING AND MAYBE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT KEY IS FOR. THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW. DAVE IN SALEM DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 106 ___________________________________ Time: 07:11:48 PM PST US From: MaxNr@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re:Re:SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED Retired (sort of) pilot. Last 26 years flying medium and heavy helicopters for the energy industry (U.S. Gulf of Mexico). Before that, was a fixed/rotary Army Aviator for 14 years specializing in medical evacuation. Owned a Champ, Luscombe and Beech Musketeer. Was building a Thorp T-18, but it did not survive corrosion while in storage while I was globetrotting. Also rated in gliders (Commercial ticket). First solo in a J-3 Cub on skis Feb 16,1957 in Maine. I am now doing part time consulting for an oil company re: aviation safety, operations & facilities. I tried to tell them I was retired, but no dice. Also working with an A/P who is still employed by my old company, and he's getting started on a Cub clone from scratch. I am surprised as anyone that I have gone almost 50 years with a pristeen record, looking back on the type of flying I did. Bob Dingley, Pace, FL XL-Lyc-rudder ________________________________ Message 107 ___________________________________ Time: 07:29:56 PM PST US From: MElrod3732@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED I'm a 51 year old 747-400 captain for Northwest Airlines. Prior to Northwest, I was a flight instructor and commuter airline pilot for Britt Airlines. My 1st solo was in a J3 Cub. Mike Elrod 701 on amphib floats, 50 hours Fenton, MI DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 108 ___________________________________ Time: 07:29:56 PM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED unemployed and homeless Joe ________________________________ Message 109 ___________________________________ Time: 07:58:55 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: air compresser From: "Bill Cardell" Don't forget pawn shops, always seems to be a stack of compressors at the local one. do not archive TurboDog's Dad Bill Cardell www.flyinmiata.com 1-800-FLY-MX5S 970-242-3800 ________________________________ Message 110 ___________________________________ Time: 08:17:45 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: air compresser >> Don't forget pawn shops, always seems to be a stack of compressors at the local one. Including mine ;-) -- Craig do not archive ________________________________ Message 111 ___________________________________ Time: 11:28:42 PM PST US From: "Jon Burns" Subject: Zenith-List: RE: I messed up skinning my rudder Thanks to everyone for the advice. Drilling out the rivets on the flat side and using a better shim system did the job. I purchased 2 metal fence posts from Home Depot. They are like 3 inch square by 6 feet long. I taped the rudder to the jig this time, and after enlarging the holes to A5, everything turned out great! I had to go to A5 because the holes were about 1/2 the diameter off after re-shimming. If you don't know to look, I don't think you will even know there are 2 different sized rivets. Thanks again! Jon Burns _________________________________________________________________ Fixing up the home? Live Search can help ________________________________ Message 112 ___________________________________ Time: 11:42:46 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED From: "Ron Lendon" Currently employed as a Metal Model Maker Leader for General Motors Technical Center in Warren MI. I delegate work but haven't had my hands really in it for years now. Been in the trade since 1967. Have access to all the CNC/CAD stuff but am getting back to my roots and trying to use minimal computer stuff. Layed out all the forms by hand and sawed em then ground em. Having a blast getting my metal working skills back. I hope to make this 601 without any fiberglas. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84426#84426 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.