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1. 02:03 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (phd1993)
2. 06:08 AM - Re: sequence of kits (Jeff)
3. 06:09 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Edward Moody II)
4. 06:23 AM - Re: air compresser (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
5. 06:30 AM - Re: fuel fittings modification (dj45)
6. 06:44 AM - IE 7.0 (Bill Naumuk)
7. 07:05 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Scott Laughlin)
8. 07:16 AM - Re: air compresser (Noel Loveys)
9. 07:55 AM - Re: IE 7.0 (Noel Loveys)
10. 08:44 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Aaron Gustafson)
11. 09:31 AM - Re: Re: fuel fittings modification (David Downey)
12. 09:43 AM - c-section leveling (Bill Naumuk)
13. 09:57 AM - Re: fuel fittings modification (Rich)
14. 10:24 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Paul Tipton)
15. 11:14 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Michael Parsons)
16. 11:25 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Dave Ruddiman)
17. 11:36 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Edward Moody II)
18. 12:17 PM - Info (Darrell Haas)
19. 01:06 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Allan Barton)
20. 01:06 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Juan Vega)
21. 01:12 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Juan Vega)
22. 01:37 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Keystone Engineering LLC)
23. 01:41 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Gerald A. Applefeld VMD)
24. 01:43 PM - Re: Items from the latest Zenair newsletter (#157) (rick tedford)
25. 02:32 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F3hann_Gestur?=)
26. 03:38 PM - Sensenich Composite Propeller (John Livsey)
27. 03:38 PM - Re: Items from the latest Zenair newsletter (#157) (Craig Payne)
28. 03:52 PM - Steering rod boots (Craig Payne)
29. 04:19 PM - Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller (Paul Mulwitz)
30. 05:08 PM - Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller (John Livsey)
31. 05:12 PM - Re: Items from the latest Zenair newsletter (#157) (Bill Naumuk)
32. 05:18 PM - Re: Items from the latest Zenair newsletter (#157) (Gary Boothe)
33. 05:19 PM - Re: Items from the latest Zenair newsletter (#157) (Craig Payne)
34. 05:20 PM - Re: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Steve Hulland)
35. 05:23 PM - Re: Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller (Craig Payne)
36. 05:36 PM - Re: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Gary Boothe)
37. 05:38 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Bill Naumuk)
38. 05:51 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Mike)
39. 05:53 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Mike)
40. 06:12 PM - Re: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Steve Hulland)
41. 06:13 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Noel Loveys)
42. 06:17 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (MrBizi)
43. 06:27 PM - Re: Items from the latest Zenair newsletter (#157) (Bill Naumuk)
44. 06:57 PM - Thread locker? (Bill Steer)
45. 06:58 PM - Re: Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller (Paul Mulwitz)
46. 07:18 PM - Glare from instrument panel (Husky Larry J)
47. 07:51 PM - N282RS Flys Again (r5t0ut21@yahoo.com)
48. 07:57 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (roy vickski)
49. 08:29 PM - Re: N282RS Flys Again (Matt Stecher)
50. 08:31 PM - SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (John Collins)
51. 08:40 PM - SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Bob Tezyk)
52. 08:59 PM - Re: Glare from instrument panel (Bryan Martin)
53. 09:10 PM - 701 steering rod seals (Dave and Pam Fisher)
54. 09:17 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Bill Cardell)
55. 10:36 PM - Sort of Aircraft Related (Brad DeMeo)
56. 11:30 PM - T4 vs T6 (Administrator)
57. 11:39 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Administrator)
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
Retired Clinical Pharmacokineticist (scientific number cruncher in the pharmaceutical
industry). Flying for 2 years - for her 60th birthday the wife wanted
to learn how to fly and then build our own airplane. Current airplane is a 1971
Piper Cherokee 140. Started on 701 kit last July and now in process of mounting
engine. No previous aviation experience - this is the first airplane we
have built.
Sam Hutcheson
Overland Park, Kansas
701 kit - final assembly
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| Subject: | sequence of kits |
Darrell,
I believe that in the end, it really doesn't matter. My 601 HD
Manual starts on the wings. Later portions of the manual expect that you
have the skills learned building them. I started with the rudder, then went
on to build the stabilizer, and then the elevator finishing the tail. I
left the electrical work until now just putting in conduits for the wires as
I built the airframe. I also built from kits to pay as I went along. I was
lucky that Zenith is one of the two kit manufacturers still in business
since 1994 (Van's is the other). Other kit manufacturers I thought about
are long gone (Pulsar & Team). I also watched the ads and bought another
builder's untouched wing kit saving me money and returning some to the other
builder. Some prefer to do the fuselage first for encouragement reasons.
You get to sit in it earlier, but eventually you need all the parts to fly!
Jeff Davidson
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Haas
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 6:57 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: sequence of kits
Thanks Jeff for the info. Is there a preferred sequence as far as which kit
one should work on? I will probably start with the rudder kit like many
others but where should I go from there?
Darrell
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
Finish the damned plane and live in it.
Ed
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From: jpspencer@cableone.net
To: Zenith-List@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 9:29 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
unemployed and homeless
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: air compresser |
Darrell:
For riveting, almost any compressor will do - air consumption (CFM) is next
to nothing and pressures are moderate. So, pick a unit according to the
space, electrical service, and dollars available.
"Oil-less" compressors are generally small, 110VAC NOISY compressors that
run direct from a motor usually at 3450 RPM - that's TWICE as fast as a
"standard" electric motor. That's how they get the performance ratings they get.
Oilless compressors are generally non-repairable and relatively inexpensive.
You see them on roofs running nail guns and other low-CFM applications.
Painting is another story. You need LOTS of CFM (cubic feet per minute) and
you want oil free, DRY air. Lots of CFM and "oil-less" are usually not
compatable goals (more on that in a bit). BELT-DRIVE compressors run slow and
quieter (NOT "quiet"...but quieter) than direct-drive oil-less types. For
painting you need filters to trap oil that gets by the compressor and water
filters/dryers to get the condensate that gets past the tank (you DO drain the
tank
every time you stop work, don't you ??)
I was lucky enough to get a belt-drive OIL-LESS compressor salvaged from a
printing press installation. It is Japanese and had a 3-phase motor, but I
converted it to single phase. I get plenty of CFM and pressure for my needs.
And no, I'll never find spare parts for it, but for the price I paid I don't
care.
With the advent of lower prices on HVLP equipment, you might want to
consider a pancake compressor for riveting and an HVLP unit for painting. You
didn't mention air drills (which I HIGHLY recommend - my right-angle air drill
has
saved me more than once); for an all-purpose compressor I'd shop for a belt
drive with a moderately sized tank. Life is full of compromises....there
will be more than enough air for riveting but maybe slightly less than you would
like for painting.
Just my $0.02 worth.....air compressor professionals can undoubtably add
more knowledge than I.
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
601xl N458XL (reserved)
In a message dated 12/29/2006 6:17:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Darrellhaas@verizon.net writes:
I'm trying to build up my tools to build a 601xl. Anyone have advice on the
specs for a good air compressor to run my riveter and paint equipment. Any
and all advice appreciated.
Darrell
Troutdale, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: fuel fittings modification |
You can cut the threads off, then you need to get a pipe die of the proper size
and run it over the remaining threads. If you cot off three threads you should
make about three turns of the die to get back where it was.
Hope that helps. just cutting off the end won't gain anything
Dan Stanton 801
do not archive
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Do not archive
Dan Stanton
90% done 90% to go
801, Deltahawk Diesel
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All-
Just a warning when you upgrade to IE 7.0- not everything is copied
from 6.0. I lost 3 years of "Sent Items" and my address book. It would
be nice if Microsoft would warn you about this up front.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
Scott Laughlin
Mechanical Engineer
Omaha, Nebraska
www.cooknwithgas.com
finishing up a 601XL
Latest Family Photo:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Jamaica_In_Tree.JPG
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From: Dave Ruddiman
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 12:08 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING
HOLES AND GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE
BUILDING, WANT TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS.
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When I ran a production Photographic lab we used a lot of compressed
air.
to keep the air dry and free of oil and silt Etc we used two oil
separators
( similar to gascolators ) and two refrigerator dryers in series. Every
eight hours the compressor tank was emptied from the bottom cock as per
instructions that came with it. When we shut down for the night the
cock
was always left open.
Our problem was one of extreme humidity. I wanted to put a breather
line
for the compressor up two floors to a nice cool dry room but the boss
voted
me down. When I left they would still have to clean a full hundred feet
of
film because a little oil would still find its way on it and then get
smudged all over the place.
Noel
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Crvsecretary@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: air compresser
Darrell:
For riveting, almost any compressor will do - air consumption (CFM) is
next
to nothing and pressures are moderate. So, pick a unit according to the
space, electrical service, and dollars available.
"Oil-less" compressors are generally small, 110VAC NOISY compressors
that
run direct from a motor usually at 3450 RPM - that's TWICE as fast as a
"standard" electric motor. That's how they get the performance ratings
they
get. Oilless compressors are generally non-repairable and relatively
inexpensive. You see them on roofs running nail guns and other low-CFM
applications.
Painting is another story. You need LOTS of CFM (cubic feet per minute)
and
you want oil free, DRY air. Lots of CFM and "oil-less" are usually not
compatable goals (more on that in a bit). BELT-DRIVE compressors run
slow
and quieter (NOT "quiet"...but quieter) than direct-drive oil-less
types.
For painting you need filters to trap oil that gets by the compressor
and
water filters/dryers to get the condensate that gets past the tank (you
DO
drain the tank every time you stop work, don't you ??)
I was lucky enough to get a belt-drive OIL-LESS compressor salvaged from
a
printing press installation. It is Japanese and had a 3-phase motor,
but I
converted it to single phase. I get plenty of CFM and pressure for my
needs. And no, I'll never find spare parts for it, but for the price I
paid
I don't care.
With the advent of lower prices on HVLP equipment, you might want to
consider a pancake compressor for riveting and an HVLP unit for
painting.
You didn't mention air drills (which I HIGHLY recommend - my right-angle
air
drill has saved me more than once); for an all-purpose compressor I'd
shop
for a belt drive with a moderately sized tank. Life is full of
compromises....there will be more than enough air for riveting but maybe
slightly less than you would like for painting.
Just my $0.02 worth.....air compressor professionals can undoubtably add
more knowledge than I.
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
601xl N458XL (reserved)
In a message dated 12/29/2006 6:17:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Darrellhaas@verizon.net writes:
I'm trying to build up my tools to build a 601xl. Anyone have advice on
the
specs for a good air compressor to run my riveter and paint equipment.
Any
and all advice appreciated.
Darrell
Troutdale, Oregon
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You were supposed to export all that stuff to separate files before
doing
your IE7 install then you can import them all right back into the new
program. I caught it somewhere in the instructions.
Noel
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 11:14 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: IE 7.0
All-
Just a warning when you upgrade to IE 7.0- not everything is copied
from
6.0. I lost 3 years of "Sent Items" and my address book. It would be
nice if
Microsoft would warn you about this up front.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
Licensed Human Habitat Engineer and Consultant. AKA self employed carpenter
Aaron Gustafson
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| Subject: | Re: fuel fittings modification |
I thought the original posting was talking about an elbow?. If a straight fitting
is involved the extension of the NPT thread using the die would be the best
way for sure.
do not archive
dj45 <dj45@modempool.com> wrote:
You can cut the threads off, then you need to get a pipe die of the proper size
and run it over the remaining threads. If you cot off three threads you should
make about three turns of the die to get back where it was.
Hope that helps. just cutting off the end won't gain anything
Dan Stanton 801
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
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| Subject: | c-section leveling |
All-
Don't need no stinkin' lasers. Thanks to Larry Mac for a different
approach.
Note the blazingly brilliant finish on the TOP of the c-section.
I'm almost on track.1 hr to finish leveling the c-section, then 2
hrs cleaning the black crud and hairballs out of my shop from polishing.
>From there, I start polishing the rear fuse skins. If everything goes
right, I (Clean the new black crud and hairballs from my shop, then)
assemble the rear fuse sometime tomorrow (If my bonnets hold out after 3
washings).
In case you haven't noticed, I'm a prodigious poster a couple of
times a year. Two days from now, I go back to the grind and don't have
an extra day off until April. It's been fun while it lasted.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Re: fuel fittings modification |
Since it is a tapered fit, be careful as to not over challenge the material
receiving the fitting. Screwing one in "Could" cause a crack if there is not
enough material around the opening.
Rich
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
I am a chief tech in the laboratory at a large hospital, the same
hospital as Dave Clay. Dave may come in handy being so close in more
ways than one. I'm flying a CH701SP and loving every minute of it.
Paul Tipton
321PT
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
Hi List,
Name is Michael Parsons. Have been following list for several months. I will be
buying plans for 601xl next month. Currently working as consulting software
engineer in Cedar Rapids, IA and preping basement for work shop. Have sorted aviation
background with some helicopter maintenance experience (Army). Will be
scratch building, with glass IFR panel and hanging Corvair up front. My wife
is behind the effort (kids keep moving out and far away). I'll try not to be a
pest, I've learned alot just reading the mail. Be safe on the New Year.
Michael Parsons
gyro_cfi@yahoo.com
maparson@rockwellcollins.com
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
If my wife ever finds out how much money I've spent on my plane I may be
living in it. That's why I'm building an 801. So I can have a bedroom.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Moody II
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
Finish the damned plane and live in it.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: jpspencer@cableone.net
To: Zenith-List@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 9:29 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
unemployed and homeless
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
That's the spirit of determined independence!
Ed
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From: Dave Ruddiman
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
If my wife ever finds out how much money I've spent on my plane I may
be living in it. That's why I'm building an 801. So I can have a
bedroom.
do not archive
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This list is great. Thanks for all the advice.
Darrell
Troutdale, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
Hi all
I have a small mobile bookkeeping business
Fly Safe
Allan
601 XL / Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/allan
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
Dave,
I am a commerical realestate Broker, and a partner for all of Florida, in the New
Dagwoods Sandwich Shoppe chain. Hopefully one will open up soon in your area.
I am the father of one 3.5 year and married for 10+ years. I have been flyin
since I was a kid, my father was Vice Chairman of Embraer (EMB 145s) in the
1990s and My grandfather was head of the Cuban FAA. He had a Cessna and Piper
dealership in eastern Cuba prior to Castro. Bunch of us in the Vega family
are A&Ps. Rest of the Family is Mexican from southern Mexico. I fly pretty
much anything with 200 hp and under, taildraggers, trikes etc. I am building
a 601xl with a Jabiru 3300 (hydraulic lifter version). Have a Sencinich Ground
Adjust Prop. My copilot is my son Joshua.
Juan Vega
601 xl 3300
-----Original Message-----
>From: Richard Harvey <richardharvey@nc.rr.com>
>Sent: Dec 29, 2006 10:02 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
>
>I am a clinical psychologist working for the VA for the last 30+ years. I flew
intermittantly for several years back in the 1970's, then quit for 20+ years
(kids, careers, etc), and have been back to flying on and off for about the last
6 years. I'm building a 601 XL from the kits- my first such project. I will
power it with the Jabiru 3300 and Senenich wooden prop. Parts all over the
house and the shed, the main body in the garage. Learning a lot and loving
it too! I'm probably about 2/3 done, but the progress is sure slow what with
working full time, mucho yard to keep up with, etc. In any case, interesting
string here...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave Ruddiman
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 1:08 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
>
>
> I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING HOLES AND
GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING, WANT
TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR
A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. OF COURSE YOU CAN
DELETE ME FOR ASKING AND MAYBE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT
THAT KEY IS FOR. THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW.
>
> DAVE IN SALEM
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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Mike,
Do you know the guys at Burnham Real estate or Traverse in California, they are
good friends of mine.
Juan
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-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike <rsq2424@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Dec 29, 2006 3:05 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
>
>
> Own & operate a commercial real estate management company.
>Volunteer for search & rescue team.
>Drummer in several bands.
>Trying to finish this damn plane, but not enough time. :)
>
>Mike Fortunato
>601XL, Jab 3300
>Alta Loma, CA
>
>do not archive
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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I'm a semi retired consulting Civil Engineer. I'm semi retired because my main
client got mad a me. Momma works to pay the bill and give us health insurance.
The 801 is my third plane. I had a PA-22 for 10 years then a PA22/20 for 4 years.
The 801 has been flying for 3 years.
Bill Wilcox
Valdez, AK
N801BW
Making VGs and STOL fences. I love being experimental!
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I'm a small animal veterinarian in Pennsylvania. I served four years in
the Air Force at the end of Nam but never left the country. So I' m a
vet Vet. Love flying my 90% scratch built 601HD with a Jab3300 when I
can get away from the office. Years ago I started but never finished a
KR2 and a BD4. Love the Zodie.
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: Items from the latest Zenair newsletter (#157) |
Hello Craig : Who is Lori , and where can I see the sunshade .
I do subscribe to the newsletter however I have not received anything lately
. Perhaps the Chrismas rush has held things up at the border ( Can-US )
Best regards
Rick Tedford
601XL , S.N. 6-4638
Jab 3300
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 7:18 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Items from the latest Zenair newsletter (#157)
>
> (If you don't subscribe to the newsletter you ought to - it is the
> "official" source of information from Zenith. Call 262.966.7627 to
> subscribe)
>
> - Schuyler McCorkle at Silver Sky Enterprises in Chandler, AZ offers
> flight
> instruction in their dual-stick 601XL. (480) 422-9426,
> www.silverskyaviation.com
>
> - Lori offer's a nice sunshade for the CH 601 at $150: 530-585-2515.
>
> - Zenith is offering a "Jump Start Kit" for the 701. "Virtually all
> rivet-holes in the major airframe components have been located and
> pre-drilled". Much more pre-done work is described. Contact your regional
> dealer (Not Mexico, MO apparently): Quality Sport Planes in California:
> 707-546-6272, Flight Crafters in Florida: 813-779-1156 or CAN-ZAC in
> Canada
> (also covers the NE US): 519-591-7601
>
> - Zenith recommends a update to the bottom plate of the main gear legs of
> 601 UL, HD and HDS. The original 1/8 inch plate at the bottom of the gear
> should be replaced with a 3/16 inch plate. This is in addition to the
> wheel
> fork doubler 6L1-3HD. Zenith will sell you a new gear leg 6L1-1 for $58
> each
> plus shipping and handling.
>
> -- Craig
>
>
> --
> 12/27/2006 12:21 PM
>
>
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Hi,
I am an Air traffic controller for 25 years and started building a Kolb
Firestar II ultralight in 1994. Did not get to fly that one for more
than 1 min.My first flight. Accidental take-off while learning to taxi.
That is a hole story by itself. Just a minor damage to the landing
gear, but I sold it after the repair to some desperate ultralight
friends, who needed a plane quickly because their trike was damaged
beyond repair. Ordered another Kolb kit the same day, flew it in 1997
for the first time. Bought the Zenith 701 kit in 1999 from a fellow in
Iceland, who had only started on the slat supports on the nose ribs. Due
to some drawing changes, I had to redo that part, so I actually built
the complete thing.
Flew the Kolb while building the Stol 701 until I was ready for the
engine installation.
Flew the Zenith 701 (Joeing 701) on the 2. of July 2005 and have enjoyed
it ever since. 70 hours to this date in the Zenith.
I think this is the greatest plane to have up here in Iceland. Land and
take off from any field or road.
Thank you all for your great support.
Happy New Year,
Johann G.
Iceland.
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| Subject: | Sensenich Composite Propeller |
Hi list,
I've just fitted one of the Sensenich composite propellers to my
CH601-HDS running a Jabiru 3300. I would be interested to hear from
anyone that has fitted one to a similar set-up as regards what sort of
performance and engine RPM they have set-up.
For interest I obtain the following figures (Solo half fuel)
Climb RPM at 70KIAS 3050, RofC about 1400 FPM
Max S&L RPM 3225 at 125KIAS.
Cruise at 2800 RPM 110KIAS.
All figures at around 2500 ASL
The speed figures were straight of the A/S indicator so probably not
totally accurate and it was a bumpy day.
regards john
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| Subject: | Items from the latest Zenair newsletter (#157) |
A little Googling turned up her web site. Note that it lives under the web
site for Michael Heintz's Quality Sport Planes in the wine country of
northern California:
www.qualitysportplanes.com/qsp-2006_052.htm
Her number is not the same as QSP and her area code (530) is for northeast
California. It appears she is based in Red Bluff, California.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Steering rod boots |
I think Lori (of Lori's Zodiac Accessories:
www.qualitysportplanes.com/qsp-2006_052.htm) is Doug Dugger's (N111TZ) wife.
If so when I was at the Jabiru FWF seminar at Quality Sport Planes this fall
I saw some very nice steering rod boots that she sewed for his plane. If you
are looking for a solution to sealing the steering rods you might give her a
call and see if she is interested in expanding her product line:
530-585-2515
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller |
Hi John,
Is this the ground adjustable propeller? Did you only try one pitch setting?
I am not in the air yet, but I have heard much higher cruise numbers
from others with HDS and Jabiru 3300 combinations.
Paul
XL fuselage
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At 03:36 PM 12/30/2006, you wrote:
>
>Hi list,
>
>I've just fitted one of the Sensenich composite propellers to my
>CH601-HDS running a Jabiru 3300. I would be interested to hear from
>anyone that has fitted one to a similar set-up as regards what sort
>of performance and engine RPM they have set-up.
>
>For interest I obtain the following figures (Solo half fuel)
>
>Climb RPM at 70KIAS 3050, RofC about 1400 FPM
>
>Max S&L RPM 3225 at 125KIAS.
>
>Cruise at 2800 RPM 110KIAS.
>
>All figures at around 2500 ASL
>
>The speed figures were straight of the A/S indicator so probably not
>totally accurate and it was a bumpy day.
>
>regards john
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| Subject: | Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller |
Paul,
Yes its ground adjustable but getting it "right" is tricky as the amount of
adjustment is so fine,
probably about 0.25mm gave me a 150 RPM change.
John
Hi John,
Is this the ground adjustable propeller? Did you only try one pitch setting?
I am not in the air yet, but I have heard much higher cruise numbers
from others with HDS and Jabiru 3300 combinations.
Paul
XL fuselage
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At 03:36 PM 12/30/2006, you wrote:
>
>Hi list,
>
>I've just fitted one of the Sensenich composite propellers to my
>CH601-HDS running a Jabiru 3300. I would be interested to hear from
>anyone that has fitted one to a similar set-up as regards what sort
>of performance and engine RPM they have set-up.
>
>For interest I obtain the following figures (Solo half fuel)
>
>Climb RPM at 70KIAS 3050, RofC about 1400 FPM
>
>Max S&L RPM 3225 at 125KIAS.
>
>Cruise at 2800 RPM 110KIAS.
>
>All figures at around 2500 ASL
>
>The speed figures were straight of the A/S indicator so probably not
>totally accurate and it was a bumpy day.
>
>regards john
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| Subject: | Re: Items from the latest Zenair newsletter (#157) |
Craig-
God you had me worried! FYI retro 601 builders, I took delivery of kit
#4915 in 2/03 and it has the 3/16" plates. That'll give you a rough
benchmark.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
>>
>> - Zenith recommends a update to the bottom plate of the main gear legs of
>> 601 UL, HD and HDS. The original 1/8 inch plate at the bottom of the gear
>> should be replaced with a 3/16 inch plate.
>
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| Subject: | Items from the latest Zenair newsletter (#157) |
She does seats and side panels, too - All very nice.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 3:26 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Items from the latest Zenair newsletter (#157)
A little Googling turned up her web site. Note that it lives under the web
site for Michael Heintz's Quality Sport Planes in the wine country of
northern California:
www.qualitysportplanes.com/qsp-2006_052.htm
Her number is not the same as QSP and her area code (530) is for northeast
California. It appears she is based in Red Bluff, California.
-- Craig
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Maybe they needed something to pad out the issue? :-)
-- Craig
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Items from the latest Zenair newsletter (#157)
Craig-
God you had me worried! FYI retro 601 builders, I took delivery of kit
#4915 in 2/03 and it has the 3/16" plates. That'll give you a rough
benchmark.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
>>
>> - Zenith recommends a update to the bottom plate of the main gear
>> legs of
>> 601 UL, HD and HDS. The original 1/8 inch plate at the bottom of the
>> gear should be replaced with a 3/16 inch plate.
>
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
Retired United States Marine Captain. 12.5 years enlisted (Pvt - GySgt),
9.75 years commissioned (WO-1 - Capt); Surveyer for City of Tucson - 2years;
Director of Field Maint @ Tucson Airport Authority; Fire Marshal - 3+ years;
Fire Chief 12 years; Firefighter 4+ years. Infantry, Air Traffic Control,
Crash Fire Rescue and AC Maintenance in USMC. Pilot for 40+ years. Air
Traffic Controller 16 years in USMC. Helped restore (mostly grunt work)
C-117; Taylorcraft BC-12D; Chipmunk. Zeinth 701 & 600. Built portions of
each. Currently getting last little things done before DAR for the CH 600
taildrager. Flying soon (said that before. First airplane ride Fleet.
Biggest challenge Foker DR-1. Most exciting F-4, F18, etc. Most loved BC-12.
Anything aviation is where it is at and will be for the remainder of my
life.
--
Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 600 Taildragger
Amado, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller |
>> 0.25mm gave me a 150 RPM change.
Is that 0.25mm on the dial and scale on the front of the hub? On mine that
looks like a pretty coarse and sloppy adjustment. I think a digital level on
the blades might be a better way to set the pitch (or at least to get both
blades consistent). But I have yet to spin the prop.
-- Craig
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Steve,
In your next life I hope you decide to do something meaningful! ; )
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
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_____
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Hulland
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
Retired United States Marine Captain. 12.5 years enlisted (Pvt - GySgt),
9.75 years commissioned (WO-1 - Capt); Surveyer for City of Tucson - 2years;
Director of Field Maint @ Tucson Airport Authority; Fire Marshal - 3+ years;
Fire Chief 12 years; Firefighter 4+ years. Infantry, Air Traffic Control,
Crash Fire Rescue and AC Maintenance in USMC. Pilot for 40+ years. Air
Traffic Controller 16 years in USMC. Helped restore (mostly grunt work)
C-117; Taylorcraft BC-12D; Chipmunk. Zeinth 701 & 600. Built portions of
each. Currently getting last little things done before DAR for the CH 600
taildrager. Flying soon (said that before. First airplane ride Fleet.
Biggest challenge Foker DR-1. Most exciting F-4, F18, etc. Most loved BC-12.
Anything aviation is where it is at and will be for the remainder of my
life.
--
Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 600 Taildragger
Amado, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
Johann-
Forgive me, I know I deserve a flogging of 30 lashes with a wet noodle
for asking, but-
HOW DOES IT HANDLE ON ICE?
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Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
> I think this is the greatest plane to have up here in Iceland. Land and
> take off from any field or road.
>
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Own/operate a commercial real estate property management company in southern California.
Also a volunteer in a search & rescue team, and a drummer in a couple
of bands (gotta stay young somehow). Started flying in 1977 out of Dulles International
Airport in Virginia, but didn't get my ticket until about 20 years
later. Been building a Zodiac XL for several years, and hope to finish this year.
Wish I had a nickel for every time I said that.
Mike Fortunato
Alta Loma, CA
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Nope, don't think I've ever heard of them. Are they in the residential or commercial
sector? We're about 50 miles southeast of Los Angeles.
Mike,
Do you know the guys at Burnham Real estate or Traverse in California, they are
good friends of mine.
Juan
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-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike
>Sent: Dec 29, 2006 3:05 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
>
>
> Own & operate a commercial real estate management company.
>Volunteer for search & rescue team.
>Drummer in several bands.
>Trying to finish this damn plane, but not enough time. :)
>
>Mike Fortunato
>601XL, Jab 3300
>Alta Loma, CA
>
>do not archive
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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Gary,
Thanks, I will try. Hope there are airplanes in the next life.
Do Not Archive*
*--
Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 600 Taildragger
Amado, AZ
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In this neck of the woods it would only be ten lashes...but with a wet
codfish!
We see quite a bit of Icelanders here. They have shopping excursions to our
Provincial Capital, St. John's
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Bill Naumuk
> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 10:09 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
>
>
>
> Johann-
> Forgive me, I know I deserve a flogging of 30 lashes with
> a wet noodle
> for asking, but-
> HOW DOES IT HANDLE ON ICE?
> do
> not archive!!
> Bill Naumuk
> HDS Fuselage
> Townville, Pa
>
> > I think this is the greatest plane to have up here in
> Iceland. Land and
> > take off from any field or road.
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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I'm an enterprise software (ERP, SCM, HCM, FCM, CRM, etc.) sales rep.
thanks,
Josh Olson
Minnesota
steve@cccparis.com wrote:
I'm a counselor and a minister building a new church, scratch building my 701
keeps me sane keeps me sane keeps me sane keeps me sane. . .
Steve Russell
701 scratch
Paris, TX
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GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING, WANT
TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR
A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. OF COURSE YOU CAN
DELETE ME FOR ASKING AND MAYBE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT
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| Subject: | Re: Items from the latest Zenair newsletter (#157) |
Craig-
I think reporting the highlights of the newsletter on the list is a
great service, and thank you for doing so. Why doesn't Zenith publish them?
It's not like we're not customers!
Seriously, the last thing I wanted to hear after assembling my gear was
that I had to tear it apart again.
Here's a visual for you- this middle aged maniac builder running out
through the garage in his stocking feet brandishing a pair of calipers....
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
> Maybe they needed something to pad out the issue? :-)
>
>
>
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I'm installing the instruments into the instrument panel on my 601HD. For
those of you who have used the ZAC-supplied instrument package, did you use
thread locker on either the nuts for the U-shaped metal retaining brackets
or for the white plastic screw-on rings?
Thanks.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller |
Hi John,
I am still on the theory stage, so you should take my comments as
possibilities rather than facts.
As I understand it, your cruise speed is severely limited by the
pitch setting on the propeller. As you gain speed the relative
"Bite" of the prop is reduced, and when you approach the speed where
there is no "Bite" left you simply stop accelerating.
More theory - if you adjust the propeller for maximum static RPM I
think your pitch will be too low for high speed acceleration. There
is some ideal static RPM with full throttle that is considerably
lower than the engine's red line.
The price you pay for higher pitch is slower acceleration at low
speed and reduced "Climb" performance. If you reduce the pitch too
much you will accelerate nicely from stopped but may never get above
stall speed.
I don't know how the prop is supposed to be set, but I imagine there
is need for many trials paying attention to takeoff runway needed and
cruise speed at max cruise RPM. This could be a very long and
painful process, but in the end you will have achieved the best
possible performance from your plane combined with your propeller.
This whole process is automatic if you have a constant speed
propeller. However, those little toys are very expensive. They are
also not allowed on LSA - probably because the great powers in the
FAA bureaucracy consider them a complexity beyond beginning
pilots. That leaves you with some sort of trial and error process to
learn where your prop is best set for the performance you want.
I would be very interested to know what cruise speeds you can reach
with your power plant. I am planning on using the Jabiru engine with
fixed pitch prop for initial testing and then switching to the ground
adjustable prop after I finish phase 1 to look for the best cruise
performance I can get for cross country flying. Of course I still
want reasonable takeoff and climb performance so I might just stick
with the wood prop if the performance seems good.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
At 05:07 PM 12/30/2006, you wrote:
>
>
> Paul,
>
> Yes its ground adjustable but getting it "right" is tricky as
> the amount of adjustment is so fine,
> probably about 0.25mm gave me a 150 RPM change.
>
> John
>
> Hi John,
>
> Is this the ground adjustable propeller? Did you only try one
> pitch setting?
>
> I am not in the air yet, but I have heard much higher cruise
> numbers from others with HDS and Jabiru 3300 combinations.
>
> Paul
> XL fuselage
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Glare from instrument panel |
I am getting to the point where I need to think about the color of my
instrument panel. I really like the bright look of a white panel, but I
am also concerned with the glare in the canopy. I would like to hear
what kind of glare problems come from different color interiors, panels
etc. for a 601. I will probably have the front and back skins painted
flat black where the canopy covers them. We have a lot of sunshine here
in the desert!
Larry Husky
601XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | N282RS Flys Again |
I flew my 601HD for the first time since breaking the crank in May. For those who
don't know about that story go to www eaa35.org and read the June 2006 newsletter.
We had to take the wings off after the landing in the field and I discovered a
leak in both wing tanks when I put them back on the plane. So both nose skins
had to be pulled to do the repairs. I also replaced the lower nose gear bearing
due to some slop. So with all the changes, I wanted to treat this flight as
a first flight.
I started with a couple of slow taxi tests, then a few high speed. I finally let
it lift off and skimmed the runway for a few yards before letting it settle
back down. Taxi back to runway 35, take a deep breath, full throttle, and off
we go... She acted like she missed being in the air. We were 1000ft AGL by the
time I turned downwind and I don't fly an extended pattern.
The only problem was the CHTs were a bit high, approaching 400 degrees. That made
me decide to land after only one circuit. It could have been the extended taxiing,
new engine breaking in, timing a bit too advanced, or any or all of the
above. I'll figure it out eventually.
It's good to be back in the air!
Randy Stout
San Antonio TX
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
r5t0ut21@yahoo.com
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Machinist, welder, fabricator, former Mercedes and
exotic car mechanic, former HVAC tech, I can relate to
the ADHD (attention deficit) thing.
Roy Szarafinski
Allen Michigan USA
701 plans
4 years into the 5 year plan
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| Subject: | N282RS Flys Again |
Randy,
That's fantastic news!
I am glad to hear that you are back up in the air. I will keep my eyes on
Williams site for the details.
Enjoy and someday I will be up there too.
Matt Stecher
XL/Corvair
>>Subject: Zenith-List: N282RS Flys Again
>>I flew my 601HD for the first time since breaking the crank in May.
>>Randy Stout
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70 years old, retired Navy. Background in subs (nuclear) and Deep Submergence.
Degrees in Naval Architecture and Marine Engineering. Private SEL from 1971.
Get my 3/class medical back Wednesday (HOOORAY). Building 601XL to Sport Pilot
specs. Split time between San Diego and Panama. Have condo on old Albrook
Air Station in Panama, so finally live on an airport!
John Collins
San Diego and Panama
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I'll Throw in my 2 cents worth.
I am a computer consultant and project manager specializing in
implementing manufacturing and distribution system packages. I
currently specialize in the JD Edwards EnterpriseOne package. I have
been doing this type of work since I got out of the Air Force in 1974.
In the Air Force, I pulled over 300 combat missions under Kansas. It
was so boring that we wished someone would start a war just so we would
have something to do. I was a baby sitter for the largest nuclear
warhead in the inventory. The reality was we spread a lot of gray
paint. (Missile Combat Crew Commander in a Titan II silo.)
After the service, one of my clients was the Pantex Plant in Amarillo,
TX. They do all of the assembly and dis-assembly of all the nuclear
weapons. After all of this exposure to radiation, I can honestly say
that it has not affected me one bit with one exception - as long as I am
holding a cup of coffee, it never gets cold.
I took my first lesson in a J-3 Cub at age 13 and received my license 22
years later while working at Learjet as Director of Manufacturing
Control Systems. I received my glider rating a little over a year ago.
I have owned a C-152, C-177, C-150 and an E35 Bonanza and currently live
at Eagle's Nest Estates airpark (with hangar). The need to stay in the
air without a medical is driving my desire to build a 601XL.
Do Not Archive
Regards,
Bob Tezyk
Midlothian, TX
601XL QB/ 3300: Rudder Workshop and kit pickup Jan 19, 2007
bob@eaglesnestestates.org
http://neo.datamatrix.com/eaglesnestestates/index.php?option=com_rsgall
ery2&Itemid=28&catid=23
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| Subject: | Re: Glare from instrument panel |
I've never had a problem with glare from the instrument panel on the
canopy during the daylight. I have the instrument panel painted black
semi-gloss and the fuselage above the panel painted flat black where
it is inside canopy. The rear top fuselage is polished aluminum under
the canopy but it doesn't seem to cause any problems.
I do get some mildly irritating reflections of the lighted
instruments off the canopy during night flying. I have been thinking
of trying a flood light instead of the bezel lighting or adding a
wider glare shield to try to eliminate this problem.
The canopy design on the 601 doesn't seem to contribute to any
serious reflection problems. I have heard that the canopy on the
Sonex has some problems especially the forward part because of the
shallow angle between the plexiglas and your line of sight.
On Dec 30, 2006, at 10:17 PM, Husky Larry J wrote:
> I am getting to the point where I need to think about the color of
> my instrument panel. I really like the bright look of a white
> panel, but I am also concerned with the glare in the canopy. I
> would like to hear what kind of glare problems come from different
> color interiors, panels etc. for a 601. I will probably have the
> front and back skins painted flat black where the canopy covers
> them. We have a lot of sunshine here in the desert!
>
> Larry Husky
> 601XL/Corvair
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Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | 701 steering rod seals |
Hi,
Metal cages like the neat ones that Larry McFarland made can work even if
space is limited. Just cut slots in the Z reinforcement on the inside of
the firewall and install them there. then reinforce the Z to replace any
lost strength.
I made my cages by flattening a 9 inch long piece of 1 in. dia. aluminum
lawn chair tubing. I slipped a 1/8 in thick x 1 1/4 wide mandrel inside as
it approached flat. The mandrel gave the cage it's final shape. I used
fire wall sheet metal for the sliders. just fold the edges 180 degrees to
make rounded edges that will slide easily in the cage. Make your sliders
1/4 in. less wide than the cages for side slop. cut vertical slots in the
cages to match your firewall slots and drill holes in the sliders for the
steering rods and you're done. If you drill the steering rod hole
undersized, you can work it out to size with a tapered punch and you'll
have a smooth,fire proof, sliding surface for the steering rod without the
necessity of a grommet.
Have fun!
Dave, 701 with A80-8 Continental ( Competing for slowest build! )
( Currently old farmer, ex Ag Engineer and ex Army Helicopter Pilot)
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May as well dive in, even though I usually just read. Bailed out of
engineering school after a couple years, started fixing Porsches and
Audis. Had a shop in NJ doing just Porsche, Audi and VW, then bought one
of the first Miatas back in '89. Moved to CO in '96, haven't touched a
German car since, now we pimp performance parts (mainly turbo kits we
designed in-house) to Miata owners. Started on my private three years
ago, soloed, ready for written and my teacher got fired about the same
time I got real busy at work, haven't flown since. Have a 601hd in the
garage I bought partly built, along with a stratus subaru (yes, I've
redone the valve guides). Haven't really done much with the plane yet,
but to warm up I'm building a Westfield Lotus Se7en kit car. Lots of pop
rivets! I think the plane may have to wait for retirement, but knowing
me when it finally flies it'll eventually be turbocharged. Lots of tall
mountains around here and pretty much everything I own ends up getting a
turbo.
TurboDog's Dad
Bill Cardell
www.flyinmiata.com
1-800-FLY-MX5S
970-242-3800
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| Subject: | Sort of Aircraft Related |
Law Professor/Lawyer - Trusts & Estates. Raised on a farm and I've
used a lot of bailing wire and chewing gum to fix stuff. I've built
and repaired a million miles of fences...This CH601XL is my first
airplane project. Other hobbies are woodworking and gardening. I'm
80% done and want to fly this bird!
Bradford J. DeMeo
Attorney At Law
Estates and Trusts
565 West College Avenue
Santa Rosa, CA 95401
(707) 545-3232
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Using T4 instead of T6 is certainly doable, if you're willing to do the calculations
to see where additional strength may be required. The yield strength
of T4 is only 21000 PSI, whereas T6 is at 40000. The tensile strength differs
significantly as well. T4 is 35000 PSI, T6 is 45000 PSI. Early in my build
process, I asked the same question of Caleb, who responded as I expected. ZAC
is not interested in signing off on a weaker material, when the stronger T6
is readily available.
That being said, it's not exactly rocket science if you wanted to spend the
time and effort to do it right. Oh wait, yeah it is. Still, the experimental
aircraft arena should have room for those with large enough balls to stray from
the crowd. Do us all a favor and post any changes, calculations, reasoning,
etc. if you do vary from the design. I think there are quite a few who would
be interested.
David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi Ron;
I am still trying to make the decision between the XL and a RV9! If I do go the
XL route, I will be reversing the entire design into CAD - that is just the
way I like to work; it is a virtual build that really exposes questions before
chips start to fall.
If you are still looking then and I do go that way I would be glad to send you
the templates for the form blocks. When I do the development of the patterns
I will be putting the springback corrections in per the Boeing design handbook
values for 6061T6 sheet.
Has anyone used T4 for the formed parts? Seems like there might be a major advantage.
Ron Lalonde <rlalonde@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
Hi Gang
Well, all you fellas seem to have pretty illustrious careers!!
Myself, I retired from the Air Force in 1995, and am now a janitor at a
small elementary school.
I previously built a Volksplane and have most of the major parts of a
LongEZ in my basement.
My son and I went to Oshkosh last summer and he fell in love with the Zenith
601XL, which I recently started building.
PS: With all you CAD people and programmers on board is there anyone of you
that have or know where I can obtain CAD templates for the form blocks of
the 601XL....contact me offlist...rlalonde@hotmail.com.....Tks
Ron Lalonde
Debert, Nova Scotia, Canada
601XL
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Oh, one last note. I wouldn't use the Boeing springback calculations if you're
looking for perfection. They're perfect for Boeing, or they wouldn't be
using them. The problem is, we're not using the same equipment to form our parts
as Boeing. their calculations will easily get you close enough to fabricate
good parts, but so will ZAC's. For that matter, a standard Bend Allowance
formula will give you good results as well.
Your best approach might be to form several parts, using whichever method you
decide upon, and come up with your own bend deductions. You'll find there
will be small variations in the stretch from a variety of factors. Simply changing
the bend speed of the machine or size of the hammer will have an impact.
Happy Building!
David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi Ron;
I am still trying to make the decision between the XL and a RV9! If I do go the
XL route, I will be reversing the entire design into CAD - that is just the
way I like to work; it is a virtual build that really exposes questions before
chips start to fall.
If you are still looking then and I do go that way I would be glad to send you
the templates for the form blocks. When I do the development of the patterns
I will be putting the springback corrections in per the Boeing design handbook
values for 6061T6 sheet.
Has anyone used T4 for the formed parts? Seems like there might be a major advantage.
Ron Lalonde <rlalonde@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
Hi Gang
Well, all you fellas seem to have pretty illustrious careers!!
Myself, I retired from the Air Force in 1995, and am now a janitor at a
small elementary school.
I previously built a Volksplane and have most of the major parts of a
LongEZ in my basement.
My son and I went to Oshkosh last summer and he fell in love with the Zenith
601XL, which I recently started building.
PS: With all you CAD people and programmers on board is there anyone of you
that have or know where I can obtain CAD templates for the form blocks of
the 601XL....contact me offlist...rlalonde@hotmail.com.....Tks
Ron Lalonde
Debert, Nova Scotia, Canada
601XL
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