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1. 02:18 AM - Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller (John Livsey)
2. 03:54 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (chris Sinfield)
3. 05:29 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Joe and Joan)
4. 07:27 AM - Re: Glare from instrument panel (LarryMcFarland)
5. 07:37 AM - SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Roland Smith)
6. 08:02 AM - Re: Glare from instrument panel (Bill Naumuk)
7. 08:32 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Jim Hoak)
8. 08:39 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Gary Boothe)
9. 09:10 AM - Sort of Aircraft Related (Cort Sims)
10. 09:40 AM - Re: Glare from instrument panel (John Bolding)
11. 09:48 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F3hann_Gestur?=)
12. 09:50 AM - Re: Sort of Aircraft Related (Bill Naumuk)
13. 09:55 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (R.P.)
14. 10:14 AM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Bill Naumuk)
15. 10:34 AM - Re: Glare from instrument panel (Bryan Martin)
16. 12:47 PM - Extra Parts (Tim & Diane Shankland)
17. 12:51 PM - Re: Items from the latest Zenair newsletter (#157) (jetboy)
18. 02:14 PM - Pop Rivet holes (mcolbeck)
19. 02:14 PM - SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (BATAR@aol.com)
20. 03:44 PM - Re: Pop Rivet holes (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
21. 04:30 PM - Re: Pop Rivet holes (David Downey)
22. 05:16 PM - Re: Pop Rivet holes (Gary Boothe)
23. 07:01 PM - Need a Chute (Les Goldner)
24. 07:26 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (Steve Hulland)
25. 07:26 PM - Build both wings at once? (CH701) (John Marzulli)
26. 08:06 PM - Re: Build both wings at once? (CH701) (Dave Ruddiman)
27. 08:06 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (chrisoz@bmail.com.au)
28. 08:35 PM - Re: Pop Rivet holes (nyterminat@aol.com)
29. 08:48 PM - Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED (JG)
30. 08:58 PM - Re: Items from the latest Zenair newsletter (#157) (chris Sinfield)
31. 09:06 PM - Fuel line supplied with the kit? (chris Sinfield)
32. 09:15 PM - Re: Fuel line supplied with the kit? (Bryan Martin)
33. 09:18 PM - Re: Fuel line supplied with the kit? (nyterminat@aol.com)
34. 09:24 PM - Re: Re: Items from the latest Zenair newsletter (#157) (Dave Ruddiman)
35. 09:55 PM - sequence of kits (Brett Hanley)
36. 10:53 PM - Re: Fuel line supplied with the kit? From: Bryan Martin (bryanmmartin@comc (RURUNY@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller |
Craig,
Without actually measuring the movement it was very slight, around the width of
a pen line.
The way I tackled it was to stick a piece of tape across the gap between the "adjustment
barrel" and the hub proper, cut
the tape (fingernail) and then draw a pen line across the gap. I then adjusted
the pitch the smallest amount I could.
I do use a protractor but only to ensure both blades are tracking the same, within
1/4 deg or better.
Regards john
>> 0.25mm gave me a 150 RPM change.
Is that 0.25mm on the dial and scale on the front of the hub? On mine that
looks like a pretty coarse and sloppy adjustment. I think a digital level on
the blades might be a better way to set the pitch (or at least to get both
blades consistent). But I have yet to spin the prop.
-- Craig
John Livsey wrote:
>
>
> Paul,
>
> Yes its ground adjustable but getting it "right" is tricky as the
> amount of adjustment is so fine,
> probably about 0.25mm gave me a 150 RPM change.
>
> John
>
> Hi John,
>
> Is this the ground adjustable propeller? Did you only try one
> pitch setting?
>
> I am not in the air yet, but I have heard much higher cruise
> numbers from others with HDS and Jabiru 3300 combinations.
>
> Paul
> XL fuselage
> do not archive
>
> At 03:36 PM 12/30/2006, you wrote:
> >
> >Hi list,
> >
> >I've just fitted one of the Sensenich composite propellers to my
> >CH601-HDS running a Jabiru 3300. I would be interested to hear
> from >anyone that has fitted one to a similar set-up as regards
> what sort >of performance and engine RPM they have set-up.
> >
> >For interest I obtain the following figures (Solo half fuel)
> >
> >Climb RPM at 70KIAS 3050, RofC about 1400 FPM
> >
> >Max S&L RPM 3225 at 125KIAS.
> >
> >Cruise at 2800 RPM 110KIAS.
> >
> >All figures at around 2500 ASL
> >
> >The speed figures were straight of the A/S indicator so probably
> not >totally accurate and it was a bumpy day.
> >
> >regards john
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
Chris Sinfield here,
another one from Down Under, home of the great Jab engine.
Still in the Airforce after 27 years, C130 Aircraft mechanic (a black hander)then
graduated to Flight Engineer on C130's with over 8000 hours. Did a year on
B707's as a FE, then needed back on C130's as an FE instructor.
Priv Pilot with M/E for over 25 years and had my own PA 28..Got fed up with not
allowed to work on my aircraft because I was Airforce trained and not CAA licenced.
I had to pay the guy to do/ sign up the work I could do or did.
So the Experimental way was for me. Bought an XL kit Feb 06 and it Arrived Jul
06 XL. my build partner is an Airforce Aircraft sheet metal worker ( I hear your
crys to have a build partner like that) and best friend for over 25 years.
So far all Tail done, Flaps done, Ailerons done, LH wing done, RH started.
I am now also the Zodiac XL Australian Support group co-ordinator. we now have
27 being built / finished.
Chris
XL Jab3300
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RE: WHO ARE WE?
Well, I soloed in 1955 (J3)Joined Navy to be fighter pilot, but failed 2nd
eye test, but got great experience as an electricians mate. Ended up with
ASMEL INST CFII, Ground Instructor. Owned a PT19, T34, Aero commander, Piper
Comanche, Piper Arrow, Aztec and Cessna 411. Started building a Fokker DR1
triplane in the 60's Found a back issue of EAA magazine with much better
drawing that the way I was building mine, so had a great scaffold for my
Construction business from the bottom wing spar. As most of you know,
starting again is much tougher than the first time. Never finished it.
I have retired from being a Master Scuba Diving Instructor, 100 ton Masters
(Boat Captain), Avionics Shop Owner, owner of an Aviation Insurance company,
Insurance Broker, Real estate Broker, Treasure Hunter, Treasure Museum
owner, Sign Shop owner, Aircraft and Marine Salvage business and Charter
Pilot.
Joe Kimbell 65 Hrs. on CH701 (I know, some of you think I should no longer
be allowed to call it a 701 since I removed the slats and added VG's) Born
1935
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| Subject: | Re: Glare from instrument panel |
Larry,
I'd recommend you put neutral flat gray or lighter on the front top
skins because the desert sun will definitely heat up the
surfaces you touch. Light gray or whites will reflect a lot of that.
On the instrument panel, your eyes will adjust to area color or
tones while having to read gages painted mostly in black or electronics
panels that use multiple colors for contrast. I'd not add a
white instrument panel to these options, but try to find a darker color
than what you have to read on the gages. My panel is a light
gray and the eyes have to focus each time while having to adjust to the
contrast between background black and the surrounding gray.
This was not a best choice on my part. Just o.k. for daylight, but when
light fades, the eyes work harder to read gages.
Better yet, put gage images on several tones of background and check out
the difference in ease of reading each at a glance.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Husky Larry J wrote:
>
> I am getting to the point where I need to think about the color of my
> instrument panel. I really like the bright look of a white panel, but
> I am also concerned with the glare in the canopy. I would like to
> hear what kind of glare problems come from different color interiors,
> panels etc. for a 601. I will probably have the front and back skins
> painted flat black where the canopy covers them. We have a lot of
> sunshine here in the desert!
>
> Larry Husky
> 601XL/Corvair
>
> *=================================
>
> *
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| Subject: | SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
Thanks for the thread about who you are and the messages about screwing
up. I work alone as a nonentity on my 701 kit, mostly by choice, but
occasionally feel hopelessly dumb and isolated, especially after
measuring, cutting and riveting parts to the limit of my capabilities
only to find that they are off. Does it matter? Am I really a hopeless
klutz or simply an irremediable obsessive compulsive. I constantly
think of remarks by Chris. Something like Just move along, but then he
also said something like I'm the builder and should have confidence in
my own product.
Your posting mini portraits and sharing your glitches gives me comfort.
It warms the messages up from ambient temperature to 98.7 degrees.
Although I'm an active member of our EAA chapter, it is new and
resources for my project are thin, at best.
Retired, 75 year-old, former Anesthesiologist, 1200 hour private pilot
flying a Cessna 140, 60% on 701 kit; trying to mate rear fuselage,
cabin, cabin frame and firewall. Do they really all go together?
Roland Smith, Bennington, Vermont
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| Subject: | Re: Glare from instrument panel |
All-
Interesting, I was planning on flat black, too for the top of the
cowling. I figured that the wing walks would take care of glare to the
sides.
In 20/20 hindsight, is the glare on a polished airframe a real problem?
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Glare from instrument panel
>
> Larry,
> I'd recommend you put neutral flat gray or lighter on the front top
> skins...
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
Dave,
I'm a 68 year old retired Aircraft Mechanic ( A&P )/ Preflight
Inspector/ Quality Department Supervisor/Manager and Repair Station
Vendor Auditor all with a major Airline ( 30 years ). I ran my own
Quality Systems Consulting business ( part time ) after retiring from
the airline so I could pay for another airplane - my 601HD. Started in
aviation (5 yrs 5 mos. ) as an engine mechanic in the U.S. Air Force in
1956 at age of 17. Have built 3 homebuilt aircraft ( including my
current 601HD ) and still fly and crash R/C airplanes. Still involved in
EAA as a volunteer ( Chairman of basic Sheet Metal Workshop at Sun-N-Fun
and as Homebuilt Campground Host and Sheet metal Workshop volunteer at
OSH. Once held SEL and MEL Instrument Ratings but now fly as a Sport
Pilot. You might say aviation has been my life and still is!
Jim Hoak
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Ruddiman
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 1:08 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING
HOLES AND GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE
BUILDING, WANT TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO
ALL YOU PEOPLE DO FOR A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN
OREGON. OF COURSE YOU CAN DELETE ME FOR ASKING AND MAYBE IT'S NONE OF
MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT KEY IS FOR. THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE
INTERESTING TO KNOW.
DAVE IN SALEM
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
Roland,
Just get the parts close and duct tape will do the rest....
Seriously, you're definitely not alone or isolated as long as you're a part
of this List. My personal opinion - Build it safe and have fun. Those are
the only two rules. Everything else is gravy. Your personality will
determine if you want a 'show stopper' or if you just want to go flying. One
thing is sure - building a homebuilt airplane will test & grade all of your
abilities (reading plans, planning ahead, managing money, managing time,
handling tools, problem solving, etc). You will either enjoy finding your
shortcomings..or not. If not, you probably won't have much fun, because very
few of fail to run into a stone wall somewhere along the line.
I share your gratitude for the List. It is a great source of confidence.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
Do not archive
_____
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roland Smith
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 7:37 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
Thanks for the thread about who you are and the messages about screwing up.
I work alone as a nonentity on my 701 kit, mostly by choice, but
occasionally feel hopelessly dumb and isolated, especially after measuring,
cutting and riveting parts to the limit of my capabilities only to find that
they are off. Does it matter? Am I really a hopeless klutz or simply an
irremediable obsessive compulsive. I constantly think of remarks by Chris.
Something like Just move along, but then he also said something like I'm
the builder and should have confidence in my own product.
Your posting mini portraits and sharing your glitches gives me comfort.
It warms the messages up from ambient temperature to 98.7 degrees.
Although I'm an active member of our EAA chapter, it is new and resources
for my project are thin, at best.
Retired, 75 year-old, former Anesthesiologist, 1200 hour private pilot
flying a Cessna 140, 60% on 701 kit; trying to mate rear fuselage, cabin,
cabin frame and firewall. Do they really all go together?
Roland Smith, Bennington, Vermont
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| Subject: | Sort of Aircraft Related |
Retired archaeologist, historian
Got the 701 plans about 1 year ago but have not progressed very far. I
decided in September to become a
full time student in machine technology at a local college in order to learn
a few things about working with metal.
I am also constructing a storage building to keep all of the all things I
took out of the garage to make way for the shop.
Once I have these two items taken care of, work on the plane should start in
earnest. Well right after I reroof the house....
Do Not Archive
Cort Sims,
cortsims@verizon.net
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| Subject: | Re: Glare from instrument panel |
About 20 yrs ago I rode in a polished Swift. Every now and then the sun
would hit the top of the wing just right and " BAM",to ME it was brutal
but to my friend who owned the plane it was just part of the joy of
having a polished Swift. To each his own John
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Glare from instrument panel
All-
Interesting, I was planning on flat black, too for the top of the
cowling. I figured that the wing walks would take care of glare to the
sides.
In 20/20 hindsight, is the glare on a polished airframe a real
problem?
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
-----
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
Hello Bill and list members.
I am sorry to say that I have not had the chance to try out the plane in
an icy conditions. We have had mild winter so far. No snow in December
and the temps around 40-45F. I hope this may change in January so we
can do some frozen lake landings. I have had some time in my Kolb
Firestar on a frozen lake, and for those who have tried that kind of
runway, the braking action is very poor, but you just have to turn off
the engine prior to stopping, no problem.
We are trying to negotiate with the people in Greenland to swap names of
our countries. No solid conclusions at this time but we are still
working on it.
Best wishes from Iceland.
Johann G.
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| Subject: | Re: Sort of Aircraft Related |
Cort-
1. Building will teach you more than any ivory tower. Figure the price
of raw materials to fix up your screw ups as tuition.
2. Watch out for the building projects. I had no choice but to blow most
of the year and more money than I have in my project to build my new shop.
To add insult to injury, my son helped me move my c-section back to it's
building jig and remarked "You should have built a bigger shop".
Everything's a trade-off.
Good building.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
> full time student in machine technology at a local college in order to
> learn
> a few things about working with metal.
> I am also constructing a storage building
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
Over the last 40 years I was lucky enough to have a job building, testing
and modifying some of the coolest air vehicles that Lockheed and Northrop
could come up with. I enjoyed it immensly! But nothing came close to the
feeling I got when the Zodiac was finished December 17th, 2003
http://www.lightflyers.com/birthday
Rick Pitcher
CH601HD/3300
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
I'M JUST SITTING HERE AT THE COMPUTER TAKING A BREAK FROM DRILLING HOLES AND
GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING,
WANT TO BUILD, OR ARE FLYING ZAC PLANES. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE
DO FOR A LIVING? I'M A COMMERCIAL PAINTING CONTRACTOR IN OREGON. OF COURSE
YOU CAN DELETE ME FOR ASKING AND MAYBE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS, BUT THEN
THAT'S WHAT THAT KEY IS FOR. THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW.
DAVE IN SALEM
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
Johann-
Global warming in two senses of the phrase. Thanks for taking a light
statement in the spirit it was intended.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jhann Gestur" <joeing701@internet.is>
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
> <joeing701@internet.is>
>
> Hello Bill and list members.
>
> I am sorry to say that I have not had the chance to try out the plane in
> an icy conditions. We have had mild winter so far. No snow in December and
> the temps around 40-45F. I hope this may change in January so we can do
> some frozen lake landings. I have had some time in my Kolb Firestar on a
> frozen lake, and for those who have tried that kind of runway, the braking
> action is very poor, but you just have to turn off the engine prior to
> stopping, no problem.
> We are trying to negotiate with the people in Greenland to swap names of
> our countries. No solid conclusions at this time but we are still working
> on it.
>
> Best wishes from Iceland.
>
> Johann G.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Glare from instrument panel |
A lighter flat color would probably work, the angle of the canopy
doesn't seem to promote much reflected glare from that area.
As far as reflections from the polished airframe are concerned,
sunglasses are highly recommended.
Those stick-on tinted plastic sunscreens also come in handy. On a
cross country flight, I just stick one on the canopy where the
reflection shines through.
On Dec 31, 2006, at 11:01 AM, Bill Naumuk wrote:
>
> All-
> Interesting, I was planning on flat black, too for the top of
> the cowling. I figured that the wing walks would take care of glare
> to the sides.
> In 20/20 hindsight, is the glare on a polished airframe a real
> problem?
> Bill Naumuk
> HDS Fuselage
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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I have some leftover parts after finishing my 601HD, no don't start
laughing, I bought out another builder and had some duplicates. If
anyone is interested e-mail me at tshank@core.com and I'll send you a
picture and any other details. All parts are new and never installed
some are primered. If nobody in the group is interested it's off to
Ebay. By the way all parts are for the 601HD or HDS I don't know if they
will fit on an XL.
Horizontal stabilizer tail tips , fiberglass fairing and ribs
6E3-1 air deflector for the firewall
6T4-2 Tail rib
6F4-4 Right and left step and fairing
6F14-3 two extrusions for connecting the right and left step
Tim Shankland
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| Subject: | Re: Items from the latest Zenair newsletter (#157) |
Thanks Craig,
The postal "newsletter" has allways been a puzzle to me, as
it doesnt appear to come from New Mexico or Ontario and subscribing from the
other side of the world becomes too difficult.
I have relied on the builders section of ZAC site for the updates, however a few
things have not been noted there (for which I emailed ZAC directly and got 000)
such as;
on 701 the reason for the elevator rigging to become tight or loose depending upon
aileron position and whether this could be fixed by bending or packing the
elevator control horn so the cables attach at the centerline rather than offset
on 701 the reason for the change at rev.4 to one only flap extended position of
16 deg and any handling notes changes - revised VFE? -
If there is any reference in the newsletter to the above I would appreciate knowing
it but as others have mentioned we would have expected important information
or back issues to have come with our set of plans or posting on the builders
section
Thanks again for showing us some of whats available
Ralph CH701 in NZ
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Ralph - CH701 / 2200a
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Is it a bad idea to leave a hole that was drilled for a rivet. I did the layout
but managed to pre drill a hole where I am unable to put the rivet because the
7H2-6 bracket will be sitting partially on it.
If it isn't is it possible to move the 7H2-6 Bracket at all to accommodate?
First time user of this forum and first time builder.
Thanks
--------
CH701 Builder and new flyer
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| Subject: | SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
Re: Who we are
Enlisted in USMC in 1963. Two years later had my first flight in an F-4B as
a RIO (i.e., Goose in "Topgun"). I spent the next 18 years flying in the
backseat of the Phantom, with 2 years flying in Vietnam, and also qualified as
an
Air Traffic Control Officer. Bailed out of the Corps after 20, built a post
and beam house in the Maine woods using my own trees for lumber, hauling them
out with an old Ford tractor. Got an MBA, and did contract work for a General
Dynamics shipyard for 17 years.
Semper Fi,
Al Massey
Readfield, Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Pop Rivet holes |
Hello Mark, and welcome to the list.
This will be the first of many foibles you will encounter in your 701, and
you DO have options.
I cannot comment on moving the 7H2-6 bracket since I am a 601 builder and
have no idea how critical the placement of that part is, BUT...
IF you can move the bracket so your hole has nothing under it, throw a rivet
in the hole and no one will ever know it's a mistake. If you CANNOT move
the bracket, a little Bondo and paint will cover it up and again, no one but
you will ever know.
Good Luck, and keep building.
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
601xl N458XL (reserved)
do not archive
In a message dated 12/31/2006 5:16:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mark@dogpound.anikast.ca writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "mcolbeck" <mark@dogpound.anikast.ca>
Is it a bad idea to leave a hole that was drilled for a rivet. I did the
layout but managed to pre drill a hole where I am unable to put the rivet
because the 7H2-6 bracket will be sitting partially on it.
If it isn't is it possible to move the 7H2-6 Bracket at all to accommodate?
First time user of this forum and first time builder.
Thanks
--------
CH701 Builder and new flyer
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| Subject: | Re: Pop Rivet holes |
I have seen several references to "filler and no one will know" in situations like
this on this list recently. In the real world of certified, manufactured aircraft,
any open hole is filled with a rivet if at all possible. The reason?
the fatigue strength of the part and assembly is enhanced when the hole is filled
- with an expanded rivet shank.
Crvsecretary@aol.com wrote: Hello Mark, and welcome to the list.
This will be the first of many foibles you will encounter in your 701, and you
DO have options.
I cannot comment on moving the 7H2-6 bracket since I am a 601 builder and have
no idea how critical the placement of that part is, BUT...
IF you can move the bracket so your hole has nothing under it, throw a rivet
in the hole and no one will ever know it's a mistake. If you CANNOT move the
bracket, a little Bondo and paint will cover it up and again, no one but you will
ever know.
Good Luck, and keep building.
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
601xl N458XL (reserved)
do not archive
In a message dated 12/31/2006 5:16:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark@dogpound.anikast.ca
writes:
Is it a bad idea to leave a hole that was drilled for a rivet. I did the layout
but managed to pre drill a hole where I am unable to put the rivet because the
7H2-6 bracket will be sitting partially on it.
If it isn't is it possible to move the 7H2-6 Bracket at all to accommodate?
First time user of this forum and first time builder.
Thanks
--------
CH701 Builder and new flyer
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
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Countersink the hole and put a rivet in with a flat head. Re-install the
bracket over the top. Life is good.
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mcolbeck
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 2:14 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Pop Rivet holes
Is it a bad idea to leave a hole that was drilled for a rivet. I did the
layout but managed to pre drill a hole where I am unable to put the rivet
because the 7H2-6 bracket will be sitting partially on it.
If it isn't is it possible to move the 7H2-6 Bracket at all to accommodate?
First time user of this forum and first time builder.
Thanks
--------
CH701 Builder and new flyer
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If anyone have a 1200-pound capacity chute that they want to sell please let
me know. The price of a new BSR chute for my 701 is really high and I am
looking for a lower priced alternative.
Happy New Year,
Les
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
Hi Al,
Time to join the Marine Air Traffic Control Association. Send a private
email and I will give you some particulars. Love to have you aboard. We have
a great time.
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| Subject: | Build both wings at once? (CH701) |
I'm working on the right wing skeleton now and was wondering what previous
builders thought about building the left wing simultaneously. ( YES, the
slats are going on! )
It seems that doing the setup while it's fresh in your mind would be a big
efficiency boost, but I'm also afraid of making duplicate mistakes. In this
case storage of the incomplete wings will not be a problem.
I know this question has been asked before, but I couldn't find anything in
the archives.
Thoughts?
--
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
"Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot
harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Build both wings at once? (CH701) |
Hi John,
When I started the wings on my 801 I built any brackets, drilled holes,
primed, etc, all the parts I could for both wings. After completing the
1st one and figuring out what goes where I am now building the 2nd one.
It will probably take no more than half the time that the other one did.
The choice is yours, but if I were to do it again, I would do the same
thing. There is a certain learning curve. Once you have that down and
have the miscellaneous parts ready it really goes fast. It's also
helpful to have the first one sitting there for a reference.
Dave in Salem
----- Original Message -----
From: John Marzulli
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 7:26 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Build both wings at once? (CH701)
I'm working on the right wing skeleton now and was wondering what
previous builders thought about building the left wing simultaneously. (
YES, the slats are going on! )
It seems that doing the setup while it's fresh in your mind would be a
big efficiency boost, but I'm also afraid of making duplicate mistakes.
In this case storage of the incomplete wings will not be a problem.
I know this question has been asked before, but I couldn't find
anything in the archives.
Thoughts?
--
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
"Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a
lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED |
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED
Hello Listers, Happy New Year!
I am 42 years old and an Environmental Scientist over here in Australia.
Have built 4 Zodiacs up to now, more or less customised, all taildraggers.
Currently at work on a XL based tandem taildragger with the cockpit
canopy of a Fiat G91 Gina (NOS). Already thinking asbout my next 'stock'
HD, as light as possible with a Rotax 914 turbo. Should climb like a
homesick angel...
Chris Weber
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| Subject: | Re: Pop Rivet holes |
Mark,
Do not move the location of the 7H2-6 bracket. It's position is critical to mount
the stabilizer. As a side note, I am not sure what revision you are working
on, the newer plans use .063 instead of .040 for the 7H2-6 brackets. If you have
the .040 this would be a good time to upgrade them.
Bob Spudis
N701ZX/ CH701/912S/96hrs
-----Original Message-----
From: Crvsecretary@aol.com
Sent: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Pop Rivet holes
Hello Mark, and welcome to the list.
This will be the first of many foibles you will encounter in your 701, and you
DO have options.
I cannot comment on moving the 7H2-6 bracket since I am a 601 builder and have
no idea how critical the placement of that part is, BUT...
IF you can move the bracket so your hole has nothing under it, throw a rivet in
the hole and no one will ever know it's a mistake. If you CANNOT move the bracket,
a little Bondo and paint will cover it up and again, no one but you will
ever know.
Good Luck, and keep building.
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
601xl N458XL (reserved)
do not archive
In a message dated 12/31/2006 5:16:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark@dogpound.anikast.ca
writes:
Is it a bad idea to leave a hole that was drilled for a rivet. I did the layout
but managed to pre drill a hole where I am unable to put the rivet because the
7H2-6 bracket will be sitting partially on it.
If it isn't is it possible to move the 7H2-6 Bracket at all to accommodate?
First time user of this forum and first time builder.
Thanks
--------
CH701 Builder and new flyer
________________________________________________________________________
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RE: WHO ARE WE?
Gday All,
Born on a farm in Alberta Canada 1939. Afflicted by very itchy feet so
dropped out after two years engineering school and hit the road for many
years. Visited 80 countries and worked in 20. Mostly in precision
navigation for offshore oil exploration and rig location, using Raydist and
Shoran and the very first civilian Sat Nav equipment. Finally settled in
Australia when I got sick of living out of a suitcase and could no longer
bear not having my own workshop. Now semi-retired, and full-time occupied
in my really good workshop, building, modifying, tinkering, testing and
flying homebuilt and experimental aircraft. Last night (New Years Eve here
already) I camped with some flying friends on an uninhabited airstrip near
the beach on the east coast. Went to bed early, then fired up the Rotax at
very first light this morning and climbed to meet the first rays of the
rising sun at 2800 ft. Maybe the first in Australia except high-flying jet
jockeys to greet the sun in 2007.... Flew slowly around some puffy pink
clouds, then cut the switches and glided down silently to the grass strip,
getting there just as the sun flooded the land. Waaaaa-Hoo! What a way to
start the new year!!!
JG
Long time and still lover of the 701, but right now flying a Savannah with
VGs on its30 ft wing, thus the 500 fpm gentle descent at 40 kts (8:1 glide
ratio), even with that big 4-blade prop stopped. Some day I want to build a
701 with a new wing that can do even better than that......
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| Subject: | Re: Items from the latest Zenair newsletter (#157) |
Hi All
I must also chip in and add my 2 cents worth, in respect to my fellow Zenith builder
over there in the land of the long white cloud( New Zealand, for all of
those not in the know) .
It is dificult for us people outside of the USA to send off money in the hope that
what you think you are getting is what you really get.
I contacted the lady by email and asked for an example ( back issue) of the zenith
newsletter so I could evaluate it before sending my money. She could not..
I also asked why she couldn't Email it as an attachment? couldn't do that either.
So as a current XL builder what do you get for your money?
In the end I just gave up and hoped that the information for any changes would
be in the drawings update on the zenith web and word of mouth..
I run the Aussie XL builders newsgroup and its free and sent out via Email.
Chris.
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| Subject: | Fuel line supplied with the kit? |
Hi All
what is the name of / Type of black fuel line that was supplied with the kits?
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel line supplied with the kit? |
I believe it's just standard automotive gasoline hose. You can get it
at any auto parts store.
On Jan 1, 2007, at 12:05 AM, chris Sinfield wrote:
> <chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
>
> Hi All
> what is the name of / Type of black fuel line that was supplied
> with the kits?
> Chris
> Do not archive
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N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel line supplied with the kit? |
Chris
The fuel line is usually Goodyear auto fuel line, non fuel injected type.
-----Original Message-----
From: chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au
Sent: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 12:05 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel line supplied with the kit?
Hi All
what is the name of / Type of black fuel line that was supplied with the kits?
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Items from the latest Zenair newsletter (#157) |
Chris,
If you want some newsletters, email off list at pacificpainting@comcast.net
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "chris Sinfield" <chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 8:57 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Items from the latest Zenair newsletter (#157)
> <chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
>
> Hi All
> I must also chip in and add my 2 cents worth, in respect to my fellow
> Zenith builder over there in the land of the long white cloud( New
> Zealand, for all of those not in the know) .
>
> It is dificult for us people outside of the USA to send off money in the
> hope that what you think you are getting is what you really get.
>
> I contacted the lady by email and asked for an example ( back issue) of
> the zenith newsletter so I could evaluate it before sending my money. She
> could not.. I also asked why she couldn't Email it as an attachment?
> couldn't do that either. So as a current XL builder what do you get for
> your money?
>
> In the end I just gave up and hoped that the information for any changes
> would be in the drawings update on the zenith web and word of mouth..
>
> I run the Aussie XL builders newsgroup and its free and sent out via
> Email.
>
> Chris.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84763#84763
>
>
>
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| Subject: | sequence of kits |
Your sequence really does not matter. This thing will not fly until it aaa
aaaaaaalllll is done. I have been three months from finishing for three y
ears. I was thinking I was three weeks from taxi tests last week. A very e
xperienced new friend of mine told me I was still three months away. That
was after I had a breakthrough weekend thanks to his help. I hate to admit
it but; I think he is right.
=0A =0AMake a plan that works for yo
u. Modify it as is needed. Try to do something on the project every day.
Remember that someday you will fly this thing. It sure is looking better
today; but only because I did something yesterday! I did not get as much
done today as I had planned; but I got a lot done. I have plans for tomorr
ow as well. I have passed the point that quiting is not an option. I WILL
FLY THIS THING SOMEDAY.=0A=0ABrett
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel line supplied with the kit? From: Bryan Martin |
(bryanmmartin@comc
Provided in kit:
Goodyear Fuel Line Hose, 1/4 I.D., SAE 30R7, 257 Degree operating
Temperature.
If your using a Rotax you will also need:
Goodyear Fuel Line Hose, 5/16 I.D., SAE 30R7, 257 Degree operating
Temperature. Used on Rotax Engines
The 5/16 stuff can be gotten at Wicksaircraft.com part number 15248
The 1/4 stuff, I've ordered extra from Zenith in the past.
Brian
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