---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/07/07: 42 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:27 AM - Re: Dimensions of CH701 (secatur) 2. 05:29 AM - Re: Dimensions of CH701 (Tommy Walker) 3. 06:23 AM - Re: CH 801 drawing list for jigs (C Smith) 4. 07:40 AM - Belt adjustment (LRM) 5. 08:42 AM - Re: Canopy fitting, etc. (Bill Naumuk) 6. 08:44 AM - canopy crack (john butterfield) 7. 09:13 AM - Re: canopy crack (Randy Stout) 8. 10:35 AM - Re: canopy crack (David Downey) 9. 10:35 AM - Re: canopy crack (Bryan Martin) 10. 10:38 AM - Re: canopy crack (Dave Austin) 11. 11:01 AM - Re: Canopy fitting, etc. (Milburn Reed) 12. 11:03 AM - Refurbishing Used Clecos (Dave VanLanen) 13. 11:33 AM - Flight Stories (ZodieRocket) 14. 11:33 AM - Re: Refurbishing Used Clecos (George Swinford) 15. 12:32 PM - Re: CH 801 drawing list for jigs (Dave Ruddiman) 16. 12:37 PM - Re: Dimensions of CH701 (Milburn Reed) 17. 12:39 PM - Re: Refurbishing Used Clecos (Jaybannist@cs.com) 18. 01:17 PM - Re: Refurbishing Used Clecos (Ryan Vechinski) 19. 01:32 PM - Re: Refurbishing Used Clecos (Edward Moody II) 20. 03:00 PM - Sheet Metal Arrival condition (Ryan Vechinski) 21. 03:22 PM - Re: Sheet Metal Arrival condition (LarryMcFarland) 22. 03:24 PM - Re: Refurbishing Used Clecos (Administrator) 23. 03:27 PM - Re: Sheet Metal Arrival condition (Administrator) 24. 03:41 PM - Re: Zenith-List - Corvair Engines 64 vs 65-69 (P.H. Raker) 25. 03:48 PM - Re: Sheet Metal Arrival condition (Bill Naumuk) 26. 05:26 PM - Re: Sheet Metal Arrival condition (Ryan Vechinski) 27. 05:50 PM - Proficiency maneuver? (LarryMcFarland) 28. 05:50 PM - Re: Dimensions of CH701 (Ken Arnold) 29. 06:17 PM - Re: Belt adjustment (n801bh@netzero.com) 30. 06:29 PM - Re: Proficiency maneuver? (MacDonald Doug) 31. 06:40 PM - Re: Proficiency maneuver? (NYTerminat@aol.com) 32. 06:42 PM - Re: Proficiency maneuver? (NYTerminat@aol.com) 33. 06:46 PM - Re: Proficiency maneuver? (Edward Moody II) 34. 06:57 PM - Re: Proficiency maneuver? (Skip Perry) 35. 07:01 PM - Re: Sheet Metal Arrival condition (Aaron Gustafson) 36. 07:09 PM - Re: Proficiency maneuver? (Noel Loveys) 37. 07:18 PM - Re: Proficiency maneuver? (Ron Lendon) 38. 07:21 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-List - Corvair Engines 64 vs 65-69 (Husky Larry J) 39. 07:22 PM - Re: Proficiency maneuver? (NYTerminat@aol.com) 40. 08:53 PM - Re: Refurbishing Used Clecos (Dabusmith@aol.com) 41. 09:25 PM - Re: Proficiency maneuver? (Paul Mulwitz) 42. 10:06 PM - Re: Proficiency maneuver? (Bryan Martin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:27:09 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Dimensions of CH701 From: "secatur" Ken, Attached picture of my 701 trailer, built before the kit arrived and used to haul the kit box 60 km home. If you want the plans, I can email them to you. Cost me $950 Aud to build Regards, Steve in Perth Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=86005#86005 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/trailer_213.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:41 AM PST US From: "Tommy Walker" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dimensions of CH701 Ken, Mine is about 18' 3" I have a Rotax 912 with Warp Prop and short bull-nose type spinner. Tommy Walker in Alabama Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:14 AM PST US From: "C Smith" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH 801 drawing list for jigs As of now, I'm just signed up for the March rudder class. I haven't placed any orders yet. I plan to build by the component sub-assembly kit. No need to scan any docs for me, I just wanted the drawing title. I downloaded all the PDFs I could from the zenith site, so if the dwg for the slat jig wasn't in the public section that's the only one I'll need. Don't need the rudder jig because I'll be building that one at the factory. On the other hand, the jig might just be a good support for safe storage/transport of the rudder. Thanks for the reply. How many hours have you got invested so far? Sounds like you're building along the same lines I plan to. Craig Smith Future 801 builder _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ruddiman Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 6:20 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH 801 drawing list for jigs Craig, Did you buy the whole kit, or some components? When are you scheduled for delivery? I have completed the slats, flaps, rudder, right wing and am finishing the left one. Fuselage kit scheduled for delivery in 2 or 3 weeks. The only jigs you need are for the slats and rudder. I'll see if I can figure out my scanner again. Dave in Salem 801 ----- Original Message ----- From: C Smith Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 7:02 AM Subject: Zenith-List: CH 801 drawing list for jigs This is probably a pretty tough request, but any one with CH 801 experience know which drawings have jig patterns, and or are the jigs supplied with the kit or builder fabricated? I just wanted to get a head start on jigs, if the components are not supplied with the kits. Thanks Craig Smith href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:13 AM PST US From: "LRM" Subject: Zenith-List: Belt adjustment I've sent this message twice to the list. It hasn't bounced, but also hasn't appeared. Don't know what's going on. Anyway, check out my new page on belt adjustments, www.skyhawg.com/belt.html. Larry, www.SkyHawg.com, N1345L ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:27 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy fitting, etc. Mark- The sad thing is, how much more good stuff is buried in the Matronics archives that never made it to CH601? Some of us don't have the time to "Sift for gold". There's nothing more frustrating than to fight your way through a procedure and have another lister say, "That was in the archives". You just indicated that you're relying on Matronics posters to provide information "Funding" CH601/701 and that "Having postings organized to some degree" was beneficial.That's the point I'm trying to make- fix problems as far upstream as you can. Do a better job of organizing the Matronics archives.Your job managing CH601/701 would be much easier if all you had to do was download the Matronics "TR" file and you'd have the creme de la creme of our postings. It would also be a lot easier for us to retrieve information. There are a ton of posters with IT backgrounds who could offer more practical advice than I can, and I'll leave it at that. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: ZodieRocket To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 7:47 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Canopy fitting, etc. Though, I=92m not as fast as I used to be if I get sent anything sent to me I upload it to the websites. Sometimes I go after pieces and ask for permission but as a rule most people send them to me ahead of time. The Canopy installation is in the Builders Resources section under Zodiac 601. For everyone else please send flight or building stories and helpful tips for the websites. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com/ www.Osprey2.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 7:16 PM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy fitting, etc. Mark- Are they readily available through these sites? If so, I was unaware. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: ZodieRocket To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 6:31 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Canopy fitting, etc. Bill this is Exactly why www.ch601.org and www.ch701.com were created. Though it is nice to have them in the archives , putting these nuggets in a website that is accessible for all and organized to some degree is far more beneficial. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com/ www.Osprey2.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 10:44 AM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: Canopy fitting, etc. All- The ability to add pictures to posts has greatly increased the value of the list. The problem with the archives is that all the necessary information to complete a task is dispersed. I'm just as guilty as anyone when it comes to sharing progress real-time, but I've noticed a number of complete "Technical Reports" in the past few months such as Eric's that give all the information to complete a complex task in one location. (The Home Depot bending brake, Gary Boothe's flanging dies, my procedure for installing HDS gearbox bolts and God knows how many more buried in the great archive dumpster). Creation and posting of these compilations is the greatest contribution a lister can make, but everyone else is at a loss as to how to easily retrieve them from the archives. I save them in a personal "Keepers" file, but I trust the Matronics database more than my hard drive.Thus, my suggestion: Matt, could you create a file for Technical Reports and assign a posting password? In other words, when a lister like Eric posts his compilation he types at the bottom, say, "TR Archive-Canopy" (Sort of on the same lines as "Do not archive")? Then, listers would have easy access to complete procedures. It wouldn't hurt to make this applicable to existing archive files. If someone comes across one of these posting gems while rummaging through the dumpster, he can make it easily accessable. What do you think, people? Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa - The Zenith-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com -- 11:11 AM -- 11:11 AM href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com - The Zenith-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com -- 11:11 AM -- 11:11 AM ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:31 AM PST US From: john butterfield Subject: Zenith-List: canopy crack hi list i was drilling holes for my canopy and noticed a small hireline crack coming out of one of them. it is about one inch long and i am wondering if i should drill a small hole at the end of it before i use the step drill to enlarge it for final fitting. is seems that there is only one and is there anything else i should do to keep it from getting bigger. how about glue or some other remedial effort thanks for all the answers to my other last minute questions as i was about 90 percent done and am rapidly moving towards 80 percent. john butterfield 601XL corvari torrance, ca __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:55 AM PST US From: "Randy Stout" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: canopy crack Stop drill it before it gets any worse. I had a couple of cracks on mine when I installed it. I used a 1/16" bit to stop drill it at the very end of the crack. Make sure the bit is dull and go easy on it while drilling. You almost want to burn the hole through rather than cut it. Then get some acrylic glue and let it wick through the crack. When you install your screws, only tighten enough that the finishing washer does not move. Any more and you will have another crack. Randy Stout San Antonio TX n282rs at satx.rr.com www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21 -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john butterfield Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 10:44 AM Subject: Zenith-List: canopy crack --> hi list i was drilling holes for my canopy and noticed a small hireline crack coming out of one of them. it is about one inch long and i am wondering if i should drill a small hole at the end of it before i use the step drill to enlarge it for final fitting. is seems that there is only one and is there anything else i should do to keep it from getting bigger. how about glue or some other remedial effort thanks for all the answers to my other last minute questions as i was about 90 percent done and am rapidly moving towards 80 percent. john butterfield 601XL corvari torrance, ca __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:35:47 AM PST US From: David Downey Subject: RE: Zenith-List: canopy crack Gentlemen; There is a better way: Use drill bits designed to drill acrylic. Their end geometry is different than "normal" bits. Randy Stout wrote: Stop drill it before it gets any worse. I had a couple of cracks on mine when I installed it. I used a 1/16" bit to stop drill it at the very end of the crack. Make sure the bit is dull and go easy on it while drilling. You almost want to burn the hole through rather than cut it. Then get some acrylic glue and let it wick through the crack. When you install your screws, only tighten enough that the finishing washer does not move. Any more and you will have another crack. Randy Stout San Antonio TX n282rs at satx.rr.com www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21 -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john butterfield Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 10:44 AM Subject: Zenith-List: canopy crack --> hi list i was drilling holes for my canopy and noticed a small hireline crack coming out of one of them. it is about one inch long and i am wondering if i should drill a small hole at the end of it before i use the step drill to enlarge it for final fitting. is seems that there is only one and is there anything else i should do to keep it from getting bigger. how about glue or some other remedial effort thanks for all the answers to my other last minute questions as i was about 90 percent done and am rapidly moving towards 80 percent. john butterfield 601XL corvari torrance, ca __________________________________________________ Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:35:47 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: canopy crack Drill a small hole at the end of the crack to stop it from getting any longer. Then a little methylene chloride (the main ingredient for most acrylic glues) applied to the crack with a syringe will fuse the edges together. Wipe up any excess immediately and try not to breathe the vapors. Some people have used liquid super-glue with good results also. If the crack is to be covered up under the flashing, you may not need the glue. Check the archives for more suggestions. it has come up many times before on the list. On Jan 7, 2007, at 11:44 AM, john butterfield wrote: > i was drilling holes for my canopy and noticed a small > hireline crack coming out of one of them. it is about > one inch long and i am wondering if i should drill a > small hole at the end of it before i use the step > drill to enlarge it for final fitting. is seems that > there is only one and is there anything else i should > do to keep it from getting bigger. how about glue or > some other remedial effort > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:00 AM PST US From: "Dave Austin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: canopy crack John, My canopy developed several hairline cracks as you describe. I stop-drilled each one with a blunt drill and then added a dab of Polyzap. 14 years old and still flying. They do look a bit ugly though. Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:24 AM PST US From: "Milburn Reed" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy fitting, etc. Yes, please do, then tell us old and computer challenged how to retrieved such items. Mil ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:12 AM PST US From: "Dave VanLanen" Subject: Zenith-List: Refurbishing Used Clecos I previously bought some used #20 (black) clecos for my project. As I am now using them, I noticed that a few of them are a little rusty and don't work very smoothly. Can I soak them in WD-40 to refurbish them? Would this cause any issues with the aluminum when using them? Or does someone have a better idea (other than tossing them)? Thanks, Dave Van Lanen Madison, WI 601XL - Stabilizer Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:03 AM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: Zenith-List: Flight Stories Hey guys, if you=92re looking for a great story about flying a 701 over long distance and mountains head over to HYPERLINK "http://www.ch701.com/stories/stories.htm"http://www.ch701.com/stories/s tories.htm If you=92re not working in your shop, then this beats sitting in front of the television. I have included the first paragraph below, the story is loaded with great pictures as well. =93I had been lying awake for some time, filled with anticipation of the long cross-country flight that would begin at daybreak. I would be flying to Casa Grande, Arizona home of the EAA=92s annual Copperstate Fly-in. As I waited for the alarm to signal five a.m., my mind was going through the details of last-minute preparations. To avoid forgetting, I had taped the keys belonging to my experimental airplane, a Zenith STOL CH-701, to the I-com portable so that I wouldn=92t take off with my back-up radio still sitting in the charger at the rear of my workbench. After going through the list of things not to forget several more times, my mind switched to the VFR routing that I had worked out the night before. I would be stopping only twice. The trip would be divided into three, three-hour legs. Beyond the first fuel stop there would be the mountains. My mind switched again. The last weather check before I went to bed included an AIRMET for moderate turbulence over high terrain. I would be traversing lots of high terrain.=94 Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started HYPERLINK "http://www.ch601.org"www.ch601.org / HYPERLINK "http://www.ch701.com"www.ch701.com/ HYPERLINK "http://www.Osprey2.com"www.Osprey2.com do not archive -- 7:47 PM -- 7:47 PM ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:48 AM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Refurbishing Used Clecos Refurbishing Used ClecosDave: If WD-40 causes problems with aluminum I'm in deep trouble! Seriously, I spray the "sticky" ones with the stuff and they work fine. George Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave VanLanen To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 11:02 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Refurbishing Used Clecos I previously bought some used #20 (black) clecos for my project. As I am now using them, I noticed that a few of them are a little rusty and don't work very smoothly. Can I soak them in WD-40 to refurbish them? Would this cause any issues with the aluminum when using them? Or does someone have a better idea (other than tossing them)? Thanks, Dave Van Lanen Madison, WI 601XL - Stabilizer Do Not Archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 1/6/2007 7:47 PM ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:32:42 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH 801 drawing list for jigs Craig, I don't keep track of hours. I do keep track of what I did in Kitlog. My shop is behind my house, so when I work on the airplane I am going back and forth a lot. It's to hard to keep track of actual time, plus I don't bother with it. I don't really care how long it takes to do a certain part. I admire those that do. I started the rudder on 3/23/06 and finished on 5/17/06. The rudder really only takes about 10 hours or so. Flaperons and slats 5/27/06 through 7/23/06. Wings started on 7/31/06 and should be done in a couple of weeks. I also built a new slat section during the wing time. I didn't like the way 1 piece came out. I primered everything out of the box except the outside skins. Some of the time I worked late in the evening, some times during the day, a few weekends. My time is pretty random. If you haven't built before, there is one piece of advise I would give you. Try to do something each day. It can be looking at the plans, cutting something, deburring or anything else. It keeps your motivation up and anything you do is something towards finishing the plane. Also, if you read this list there is a lot of good information and at times it can be very entertaining. Good Luck' Dave in Salem ----- Original Message ----- From: C Smith To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 6:22 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH 801 drawing list for jigs As of now, I'm just signed up for the March rudder class. I haven't placed any orders yet. I plan to build by the component sub-assembly kit. No need to scan any docs for me, I just wanted the drawing title. I downloaded all the PDFs I could from the zenith site, so if the dwg for the slat jig wasn't in the public section that's the only one I'll need. Don't need the rudder jig because I'll be building that one at the factory. On the other hand, the jig might just be a good support for safe storage/transport of the rudder. Thanks for the reply. How many hours have you got invested so far? Sounds like you're building along the same lines I plan to. Craig Smith Future 801 builder ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ruddiman Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 6:20 PM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH 801 drawing list for jigs Craig, Did you buy the whole kit, or some components? When are you scheduled for delivery? I have completed the slats, flaps, rudder, right wing and am finishing the left one. Fuselage kit scheduled for delivery in 2 or 3 weeks. The only jigs you need are for the slats and rudder. I'll see if I can figure out my scanner again. Dave in Salem 801 ----- Original Message ----- From: C Smith To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 7:02 AM Subject: Zenith-List: CH 801 drawing list for jigs This is probably a pretty tough request, but any one with CH 801 experience know which drawings have jig patterns, and or are the jigs supplied with the kit or builder fabricated? I just wanted to get a head start on jigs, if the components are not supplied with the kits. Thanks Craig Smith href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:37:05 PM PST US From: "Milburn Reed" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dimensions of CH701 My 701 fuse measures 13 ' (156') from aft end of logerons to the forward wing bracket, this line 67" above the floor when on the wheels. Another 2' +/-from this forward bracket to the firewall rivet line. I'm glad you asked because I have a couple of easy questions. 1. What engine should I buy to put on the front of this machine? I will just be flying for pleasure, and alone around the pasture. The problem is that I planned to take 2 or 3 years to build and by that time I would have sold a 160 acre parcel here in the Sierras, or at least work a jab 2200 into my budget, but the selling is going slower than expected and the building is going much faster than expected. Less than a year on the project now and waiting for the wings kit (last part save engine). Also finished up my 1200' pasture/strip and designed and built a 40' x 26' hanger (Son Brad drove most all the nails). I bought a harbor freight nail gun but it was more trouble than it was worth. Yep, some of it is junk, but you can't beat the price. Actually I like their palm mailer, light and easy to work. I figured the Jab. 2200 would cost $15 K FWF--- Rotax 4 stroke $20K.-----What about The Rotax 2 stroke engines? I would like to keep it light. Aren't the auto conversion heavy? I'm more of a farm shop equipment mechanic so I best buy an aircraft engine. 2. I forgot---get you next time. Mil ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:27 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Refurbishing Used Clecos Dave, I had a problem with NEW clecoes: some of them (all A4s) would not retract properly. Several listers suggested soaking them in oil overnight. I soaked them for weeks. They are still in oil and still don't work. I suggest that you just toss them. Jay in Dallas do not archive "Dave VanLanen" wrote: >I previously bought some used #20 (black) clecos for my project. As I am >now using them, I noticed that a few of them are a little rusty and don't >work very smoothly. Can I soak them in WD-40 to refurbish them? Would this >cause any issues with the aluminum when using them? Or does someone have a >better idea (other than tossing them)? > >Thanks, >Dave Van Lanen >Madison, WI >601XL - Stabilizer > >Do Not Archive > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:17:24 PM PST US From: Ryan Vechinski Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Refurbishing Used Clecos I got a set of used clecoes myself, and I used that "3-in-1" household oil. I put a couple of drops on the nose of the cleco while I had it extended with cleco pliers. The oil wicked into the inside, and I kept working them back and forth with the pliers. Most of them loosened up and I can use th em. The rest I tossed. For me it was better than tossing the whole bunch. I do occasionally get oil on my parts, but I just wipe it up. Ryan Vechinski Wisconsin Rapids, WI 701-starting wings > Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:37:49 -0500> From: Jaybannist@cs.com> To: zenith -list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Refurbishing Used Clecos> > em with NEW clecoes: some of them (all A4s) would not retract properly. Sev eral listers suggested soaking them in oil overnight. I soaked them for wee ks. They are still in oil and still don't work. I suggest that you just tos s them.> > Jay in Dallas> do not archive> > > "Dave VanLanen" wrote:> > >I previously bought some used #20 (black) clecos for my project. As I am> >now using them, I noticed that a few of them are a little rusty and don't> >work very smoothly. Can I soak them in WD-40 to refurbish them? Would this> >cause any issues with the aluminum when using them? Or does someone have a> >better idea (other than tossing them)?> >> >Thanks,> >Dave Van Lanen> >Madison, WI> >601XL - Stabilizer> >> >Do Not Ar ===============> > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:53 PM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Refurbishing Used Clecos When I get oil on my parts, I just relax and enjoy it. Ed Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Vechinski To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 3:15 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Refurbishing Used Clecos I got a set of used clecoes myself, and I used that "3-in-1" household oil. I put a couple of drops on the nose of the cleco while I had it extended with cleco pliers. The oil wicked into the inside, and I kept working them back and forth with the pliers. Most of them loosened up and I can use them. The rest I tossed. For me it was better than tossing the whole bunch. I do occasionally get oil on my parts, but I just wipe it up. Ryan Vechinski Wisconsin Rapids, WI 701-starting wings ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:37:49 -0500 > From: Jaybannist@cs.com > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Refurbishing Used Clecos > > > Dave, I had a problem with NEW clecoes: some of them (all A4s) would not retract properly. Several listers suggested soaking them in oil overnight. I soaked them for weeks. They are still in oil and still don't work. I suggest that you just toss them. > > Jay in Dallas > do not archive > > > "Dave VanLanen" wrote: > > >I previously bought some used #20 (black) clecos for my project. As I am > >now using them, I noticed that a few of them are a little rusty and don't > >work very smoothly. Can I soak them in WD-40 to refurbish them? Would this > >cause any issues with the aluminum when using them? Or does someone have a > >better idea (other than tossing them)? > > > >Thanks, > >Dave Van Lanen > >Madison, WI > >601XL - Stabilizer > > > >Do N==== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 1/6/2007 7:47 PM ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:16 PM PST US From: Ryan Vechinski Subject: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal Arrival condition I don't intend this email to be a supplier debate, thus I will leave out wh ere I got my sheet metal from. My question is, what is the generally accep ted condition of aircraft metal that should arrive at your door from an air craft supplier? I received a sheet of 4' x 12' x .025" 6061, and there are numerous scratches, about 1/4" long on it. I realize that in handling tha t will happen on smaller pieces, but they didn't need to cut this piece. T hey are deep enough to get your fingernail in. Normally I would just polis h them out, but I will be making my spars out of them. I will be asking my supplier about this, but today is Sunday, and I was just wondering if anyo ne had something to say about this. Ryan Vechinski ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:58 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal Arrival condition Ryan, When I received my .016 material, several sheets were delivered with heel marks across mid and end sections. Air Parts Kansas packed and sent these and there were no heel marks in the cardboard coverings either side. I should have required they exchange the sheets, but received a discount in protest. One heel mark showed up on my stabilizer which was replaced. I'd recommend you return the material for full refund and start over with another supplier. Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive Ryan Vechinski wrote: > I don't intend this email to be a supplier debate, thus I will leave > out where I got my sheet metal from. My question is, what is the > generally accepted condition of aircraft metal that should arrive at > your door from an aircraft supplier? I received a sheet of 4' x 12' x > .025" 6061, and there are numerous scratches, about 1/4" long on it. > I realize that in handling that will happen on smaller pieces, but > they didn't need to cut this piece. They are deep enough to get your > fingernail in. Normally I would just polish them out, but I will be > making my spars out of them. I will be asking my supplier about this, > but today is Sunday, and I was just wondering if anyone had something > to say about this. > > Ryan Vechinski ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:28 PM PST US From: Administrator Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Refurbishing Used Clecos LOL, it would sure be boring around here without Ed! Edward Moody II wrote: P { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } BODY { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma } When I get oil on my parts, I just relax and enjoy it. Ed Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Vechinski To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 3:15 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Refurbishing Used Clecos I got a set of used clecoes myself, and I used that "3-in-1" household oil. I put a couple of drops on the nose of the cleco while I had it extended with cleco pliers. The oil wicked into the inside, and I kept working them back and forth with the pliers. Most of them loosened up and I can use them. The rest I tossed. For me it was better than tossing the whole bunch. I do occasionally get oil on my parts, but I just wipe it up. Ryan Vechinski Wisconsin Rapids, WI 701-starting wings --------------------------------- > Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:37:49 -0500 > From: Jaybannist@cs.com > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Refurbishing Used Clecos > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jaybannist@cs.com > > Dave, I had a problem with NEW clecoes: some of them (all A4s) would not retract properly. Several listers suggested soaking them in oil overnight. I soaked them for weeks. They are still in oil and still don't work. I suggest that you just toss them. > > Jay in Dallas > do not archive > > > "Dave VanLanen" wrote: > > >I previously bought some used #20 (black) clecos for my project. As I am > >now using them, I noticed that a few of them are a little rusty and don't > >work very smoothly. Can I soak them in WD-40 to refurbish them? Would this > >cause any issues with the aluminum when using them? Or does someone have a > >better idea (other than tossing them)? > > > >Thanks, > >Dave Van Lanen > >Madison, WI > >601XL - Stabilizer > > > >Do N==== > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com --------------------------------- Date: 1/6/2007 7:47 PM ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:19 PM PST US From: Administrator Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal Arrival condition We order hundreds of sheets a week from multiple suppliers around here, and we still see about 10% of them in the condition that you describe. Some of the damage happens in transit, some on the flattening line, and some at the mill. You can try to grit your teeth and get used to it, or order the material with vinyl on both sides (about 7 cents per square foot additional cost, but well worth it). Ryan Vechinski wrote: P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } I don't intend this email to be a supplier debate, thus I will leave out where I got my sheet metal from. My question is, what is the generally accepted condition of aircraft metal that should arrive at your door from an aircraft supplier? I received a sheet of 4' x 12' x .025" 6061, and there are numerous scratches, about 1/4" long on it. I realize that in handling that will happen on smaller pieces, but they didn't need to cut this piece. They are deep enough to get your fingernail in. Normally I would just polish them out, but I will be making my spars out of them. I will be asking my supplier about this, but today is Sunday, and I was just wondering if anyone had something to say about this. Ryan Vechinski ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:59 PM PST US From: "P.H. Raker" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List - Corvair Engines 64 vs 65-69 > I'm finding 1964 engines out there. I'm having zero >luck finding anything newer within a days driving distance. >Should I go with a 1964, or wait and keep looking for the less common >1965-69...? > Hello, Patrick, The advice to get William Wynn's Book on aircraft conversion of Corvair engines is excellent. I agree. That said, based on my limited knowledge of Corvair engines (I'm also a 'Vair owner and CORSA member), if the 64 has the right crank and heads, it should be identical to the 65-69 engines for your purposes. All 64s were 164ci displacement, same as all built after that. Most of the external stuff that's different between the 64 and Late Model 'Vair engines, you won't use in an aircraft conversion anyway. Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus ~85% completed __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:27 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal Arrival condition Ryan- 1/4" scratches are nothing- I've had sheets of .025 come in with heel marks such as described by Larry. I was able to work around them for the parts I needed, so I kept the sheets. I suppose by rights I should have returned them, but that would have meant another week of no progress. Your choice.... Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Vechinski To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 5:56 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal Arrival condition I don't intend this email to be a supplier debate, thus I will leave out where I got my sheet metal from. My question is, what is the generally accepted condition of aircraft metal that should arrive at your door from an aircraft supplier? I received a sheet of 4' x 12' x .025" 6061, and there are numerous scratches, about 1/4" long on it. I realize that in handling that will happen on smaller pieces, but they didn't need to cut this piece. They are deep enough to get your fingernail in. Normally I would just polish them out, but I will be making my spars out of them. I will be asking my supplier about this, but today is Sunday, and I was just wondering if anyone had something to say about this. Ryan Vechinski ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:06 PM PST US From: Ryan Vechinski Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal Arrival condition I understand that things happen, and I'll let my supplier know about the si tuation, but right now I think I'm just going to keep the sheets. It's too much trouble to send it back, and, like you said, another week of no progr ess. I'm just worried about my spar. Will I need to polish out ALL evidence of the scratches, or will smoothing them out do? (until I can no longer feel them with my fingernail?) Thanks for everyone's experiences and advice...very much appreciated. Ryan Vechinski From: naumuk@alltel.netTo: zenith-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Zenith-Lis t: Sheet Metal Arrival conditionDate: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 18:47:54 -0500 Ryan- 1/4" scratches are nothing- I've had sheets of .025 come in with heel m arks such as described by Larry. I was able to work around them for the par ts I needed, so I kept the sheets. I suppose by rights I should have return ed them, but that would have meant another week of no progress. Your choice.... Bill NaumukHDS FuselageTownville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Vechinski Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 5:56 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal Arrival condition I don't intend this email to be a supplier debate, thus I will leave out wh ere I got my sheet metal from. My question is, what is the generally accep ted condition of aircraft metal that should arrive at your door from an air craft supplier? I received a sheet of 4' x 12' x .025" 6061, and there are numerous scratches, about 1/4" long on it. I realize that in handling tha t will happen on smaller pieces, but they didn't need to cut this piece. T hey are deep enough to get your fingernail in. Normally I would just polis h them out, but I will be making my spars out of them. I will be asking my supplier about this, but today is Sunday, and I was just wondering if anyo ne had something to say about this. Ryan Vechinski href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhr ef="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:54 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Zenith-List: Proficiency maneuver? Hi guys, I was practicing a maneuver that seems to be popular in demonstrating proficiency during a BFR or an aircraft check-flight. This is getting 20-degree flaps, maximum nose up under power, slowing to just above stall, while doing a 360-degree turn seemingly on the tail and holding altitude to within 100 feet. The 601HDS wants to keep climbing, but with no flaps to use and some awkward wobbling, I managed to repeat it at 4000 feet. I've had to do this thing several times the last couple of years to qualify in a Piper Warrior, complete a BFR in a C-150 and a C-172. Practicing it alone is hardly worthwhile because when you add an instructor the character of the effort changes, so it is something you only get a feel for at the time it counts. Does anyone have the name of this maneuver? Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:55 PM PST US From: "Ken Arnold" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dimensions of CH701 Mil, Many thanks for the measurements. Seems I will need about 20' trailer. The trip from Florida to North Carolina is about 900 miles. Sounds like your 701 project is going nicely. I went through the engine analysis and got a head ache from all the data. I finally decided to get a Rotax 912 ULS for my 701. The Jab 3300 was considered but it gets its power at fairly high rpms. This is good for the Zodiac but not so good for STOL 701. I am told the STOL needs big prop with lots of torque turning less than 2800 rpm. This is especially true if you ever put floats on it. I looked at Continental and Lycoming but they are very heavy for the 701. Auto conversions are also viable. If you are a mechanic you can do your own work. Anyway, after all this I decided the Rotax was best for my mission. They are costly but I think the value of your 701 will reflect its desirability. If you consider the 2 cycle engines, be aware of the shorter time between overhaul. The Rotax 582 is a great engine but has a relatively short TBO. When I was in the decision making mode, I surveyed the Zenith list for comments. I received a lot of responses that helped. You might also survey the list for comments. There are a lot of different engine types being installed. The respondents can indicate if post installation support is adequate. My mission will consist of local flying at the many private grass strips in my neighborhood. I am surely anxious to compare my take-off roll with Zenith's published 90' roll. Thanks again Mil, keep us posted on your build progress. Regards, Ken Arnold Pikeville, NC CH701 on order do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Milburn Reed To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 3:33 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dimensions of CH701 My 701 fuse measures 13 ' (156') from aft end of logerons to the forward wing bracket, this line 67" above the floor when on the wheels. Another 2' +/-from this forward bracket to the firewall rivet line. I'm glad you asked because I have a couple of easy questions. 1. What engine should I buy to put on the front of this machine? I will just be flying for pleasure, and alone around the pasture. The problem is that I planned to take 2 or 3 years to build and by that time I would have sold a 160 acre parcel here in the Sierras, or at least work a jab 2200 into my budget, but the selling is going slower than expected and the building is going much faster than expected. Less than a year on the project now and waiting for the wings kit (last part save engine). Also finished up my 1200' pasture/strip and designed and built a 40' x 26' hanger (Son Brad drove most all the nails). I bought a harbor freight nail gun but it was more trouble than it was worth. Yep, some of it is junk, but you can't beat the price. Actually I like their palm mailer, light and easy to work. I figured the Jab. 2200 would cost $15 K FWF--- Rotax 4 stroke $20K.-----What about The Rotax 2 stroke engines? I would like to keep it light. Aren't the auto conversion heavy? I'm more of a farm shop equipment mechanic so I best buy an aircraft engine. 2. I forgot---get you next time. Mil ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:21 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Belt adjustment The article showed up on my puter the first time. I did read it and it was a good general overview of cog belts. I can tell you the belt on my beast acts ALOT differently then what was spelled out in the info. The belts are bulletproof, it's the sprockets.bearings and other s tuff that try to kill ya. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "LRM" wrote: I've sent this message twice to the list. It hasn't bounced, but also h asn't appeared. Don't know what's going on. Anyway, check out my new pa ge on belt adjustments, www.skyhawg.com/belt.html. Larry, www.SkyHawg.com, N1345L ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ========================

The article showed up on my puter the first time. I did read it and
it was a  good general overview of cog belts. I can tell yo u the belt
on my beast acts ALOT differently then what was spelled ou t in the
info. The belts are bulletproof, it's the sprockets.bearings and other stuff 
 that try to kill ya. <G>

do not archive


Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair .com

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I've sent this message twice to the list.  It hasn't bounced, but also hasn't appeared.  Don't know what's going on.
 
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________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:17 PM PST US From: MacDonald Doug Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Proficiency maneuver? Yes Larry, the maneuver you described is "Slow Flight". It is part of the Rec and Private flight tests here in Canada as well. We don't typically make 360 deg turns but we do have to make at least one turn. The point is so that you can recognize the flight characteristics of the aircraft near the stall condition Doug MacDonald Just finished my Priv Lic off Canadian Ultralight Instructor CH-701 Scratch Builder NW Ontario, Canada __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:16 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Proficiency maneuver? In a message dated 1/7/2007 8:52:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, larry@macsmachine.com writes: Hi guys, I was practicing a maneuver that seems to be popular in demonstrating proficiency during a BFR or an aircraft check-flight. This is getting 20-degree flaps, maximum nose up under power, slowing to just above stall, while doing a 360-degree turn seemingly on the tail and holding altitude to within 100 feet. The 601HDS wants to keep climbing, but with no flaps to use and some awkward wobbling, I managed to repeat it at 4000 feet. I've had to do this thing several times the last couple of years to qualify in a Piper Warrior, complete a BFR in a C-150 and a C-172. Practicing it alone is hardly worthwhile because when you add an instructor the character of the effort changes, so it is something you only get a feel for at the time it counts. Does anyone have the name of this maneuver? Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:12 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Proficiency maneuver? Larry, I have never heard of that for a BFR requirement, or any flight test. Bob Spudis N701ZX/912S/100hrs do not archive In a message dated 1/7/2007 8:52:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, larry@macsmachine.com writes: Hi guys, I was practicing a maneuver that seems to be popular in demonstrating proficiency during a BFR or an aircraft check-flight. This is getting 20-degree flaps, maximum nose up under power, slowing to just above stall, while doing a 360-degree turn seemingly on the tail and holding altitude to within 100 feet. The 601HDS wants to keep climbing, but with no flaps to use and some awkward wobbling, I managed to repeat it at 4000 feet. I've had to do this thing several times the last couple of years to qualify in a Piper Warrior, complete a BFR in a C-150 and a C-172. Practicing it alone is hardly worthwhile because when you add an instructor the character of the effort changes, so it is something you only get a feel for at the time it counts. Does anyone have the name of this maneuver? Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:44 PM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Proficiency maneuver? Down on the Gulf Coast it's called the "Let's see if Gomer over-controls and stalls before he sees it coming on" manuver. My last BFR if had to fly a C-172 in straight flight and turns as directed by the instructor while keeping the stall horn blowing the whole time. It was fun. Then again we had a couple thousand feet AGL. Ed Do Not Archive Do Not move the yoke abruptly near stall speed ----- Original Message ----- From: MacDonald Doug To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 8:28 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Proficiency maneuver? Yes Larry, the maneuver you described is "Slow Flight". It is part of the Rec and Private flight tests here in Canada as well. We don't typically make 360 deg turns but we do have to make at least one turn. The point is so that you can recognize the flight characteristics of the aircraft near the stall condition Doug MacDonald Just finished my Priv Lic off Canadian Ultralight Instructor CH-701 Scratch Builder NW Ontario, Canada __________________________________________________ -- 1/7/2007 6:29 PM ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:53 PM PST US From: "Skip Perry" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Proficiency maneuver? I have had to do that here in sunny Florida with the instructor all the while barking orders or questions. I guess her plan is to see if I am easily distracted! Skip Perry - Ft. Myers Do Not Archive _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Edward Moody II Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:46 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Proficiency maneuver? Down on the Gulf Coast it's called the "Let's see if Gomer over-controls and stalls before he sees it coming on" manuver. My last BFR if had to fly a C-172 in straight flight and turns as directed by the instructor while keeping the stall horn blowing the whole time. It was fun. Then again we had a couple thousand feet AGL. Ed Do Not Archive Do Not move the yoke abruptly near stall speed ----- Original Message ----- From: MacDonald Doug Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 8:28 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Proficiency maneuver? Yes Larry, the maneuver you described is "Slow Flight". It is part of the Rec and Private flight tests here in Canada as well. We don't typically make 360 deg turns but we do have to make at least one turn. The point is so that you can recognize the flight characteristics of the aircraft near the stall condition Doug MacDonald Just finished my Priv Lic off Canadian Ultralight Instructor CH-701 Scratch Builder NW Ontario, Canada nbsp; Features Subscriptions href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron==== ================= bsp; available via href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com -- Date: 1/7/2007 6:29 PM ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:01 PM PST US From: "Aaron Gustafson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal Arrival condition Don't use it for your spar!!! What's longer, 2 weeks or eternity??? Worry might keep you alive, but only if you heed it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Vechinski I understand that things happen, and I'll let my supplier know about the situation, but right now I think I'm just going to keep the sheets. It's too much trouble to send it back, and, like you said, another week of no progress. I'm just worried about my spar. Will I need to polish out ALL evidence of the scratches, or will smoothing them out do? (until I can no longer feel them with my fingernail?) ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:29 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Proficiency maneuver? I did the 360 in reasonably still air and also in high winds at 5000' when I was training. The hardest part was the plane was actually going backwards head on to the wind. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > MacDonald Doug > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 10:58 PM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Proficiency maneuver? > > > > > Yes Larry, the maneuver you described is "Slow > Flight". It is part of the Rec and Private flight > tests here in Canada as well. We don't typically make > 360 deg turns but we do have to make at least one > turn. The point is so that you can recognize the > flight characteristics of the aircraft near the stall > condition > > Doug MacDonald > Just finished my Priv Lic off > Canadian Ultralight Instructor > CH-701 Scratch Builder > NW Ontario, Canada > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:32 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Proficiency maneuver? From: "Ron Lendon" Larry, I just had transition training / flight review, from C172 to PA28-140 did the Slow Flight turns you speak of. After it was all over and I passed the CFII asked what the Piper flew like, I told him it flew just like an airplane. I was really thinking it would be a lot different flying the low wing but it really wasn't. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=86198#86198 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:29 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List - Corvair Engines 64 vs 65-69 From: "Husky Larry J" I would go with the 64. If I had a 65 or newer next to a 64, I would pick the one I thought to be in the best condition. I would however, pull the top cover to verify the crank number on a 64. I believe there was an early 60's model that had the same letters as a 64, but a much different crank. -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of P.H. Raker Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 3:41 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List - Corvair Engines 64 vs 65-69 > I'm finding 1964 engines out there. I'm having zero >luck finding anything newer within a days driving distance. >Should I go with a 1964, or wait and keep looking for the less common >1965-69...? > Hello, Patrick, The advice to get William Wynn's Book on aircraft conversion of Corvair engines is excellent. I agree. That said, based on my limited knowledge of Corvair engines (I'm also a 'Vair owner and CORSA member), if the 64 has the right crank and heads, it should be identical to the 65-69 engines for your purposes. All 64s were 164ci displacement, same as all built after that. Most of the external stuff that's different between the 64 and Late Model 'Vair engines, you won't use in an aircraft conversion anyway. Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus ~85% completed __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:47 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Proficiency maneuver? OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, yes slow flight was and is checked during BFR's, You got me distracted by saying standing on your tail. Sorry Bob Spudis do not archive In a message dated 1/7/2007 10:10:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, noelloveys@yahoo.ca writes: > Yes Larry, the maneuver you described is "Slow > Flight". It is part of the Rec and Private flight > tests here in Canada as well. ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:10 PM PST US From: Dabusmith@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Refurbishing Used Clecos >I previously bought some used #20 (black) clecos for my project. Can I soak them in WD-40 to refurbish them? Dave If you plan to paint your aircraft you might consider an oil based penetrant. Any silicone on your plane might be trouble when you start prepping for paint. Besides, I have had WD-40 turn to varnish and become sticky over time. Dave Smith N701XL ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:13 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Proficiency maneuver? Hi Larry, Slow flight is a good test of a pilot's skills. I disagree with you that practicing this while solo is a waste of time. The point is to learn to control the speed (primarily with trim, but also with elevator) and altitude (with throttle) while maintaining a given altitude. The twist of doing a climbing turn or similar stuff is a standard instrument training exercise but still a fine exercise to perform solo. The point is to control the flight of the plane, not to get used to particular throttle settings or control pressures. I have flown dual with perhaps several dozen instructors and every one had me do slow flight in one form or another. This is not limited to BFRs. The only problem with doing these things solo is you need to avoid aluminum clouds, so having a check pilot to look for traffic is a good idea. Paul XL fuselage At 05:49 PM 1/7/2007, you wrote: >Practicing it alone is hardly worthwhile because when you add an >instructor the character of the effort changes, so it is something >you only get a feel for at the time it counts. - ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:42 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Proficiency maneuver? Minimum controllable airspeed? In a message dated 1/7/2007 8:52:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, larry@macsmachine.com writes: Hi guys, I was practicing a maneuver that seems to be popular in demonstrating proficiency during a BFR or an aircraft check-flight. This is getting 20-degree flaps, maximum nose up under power, slowing to just above stall, while doing a 360-degree turn seemingly on the tail and holding altitude to within 100 feet. The 601HDS wants to keep climbing, but with no flaps to use and some awkward wobbling, I managed to repeat it at 4000 feet. I've had to do this thing several times the last couple of years to qualify in a Piper Warrior, complete a BFR in a C-150 and a C-172. Practicing it alone is hardly worthwhile because when you add an instructor the character of the effort changes, so it is something you only get a feel for at the time it counts. Does anyone have the name of this maneuver? Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.