---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/09/07: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:08 AM - Re: My first flight in a 601XL (Martin Pohl) 2. 04:35 AM - 601 HD with Rotax 914 (chrisoz@bmail.com.au) 3. 04:35 AM - 601 HD with Rotax 914 (chrisoz@bmail.com.au) 4. 04:54 AM - Re: 601 HD with Rotax 914 (ZodieRocket) 5. 05:19 AM - Re: Fus overlaps (secatur) 6. 05:28 AM - Re: 601 HD with Rotax 914 (Paul Mulwitz) 7. 05:49 AM - Re: Re: Fus overlaps (Bryan Martin) 8. 06:16 AM - Re: 601 HD with Rotax 914 () 9. 06:42 AM - Re: Flight test data software question. (Michael Parsons) 10. 07:47 AM - Re: Fus overlaps (Chris Lewis) 11. 08:36 AM - Re: Inexpensive basic avionics package (4rcsimmons@comcast.net (Rich Simmons)) 12. 08:51 AM - Re: Sheet Metal Arrival condition (Ryan Vechinski) 13. 09:15 AM - Re: Sheet Metal Arrival condition (Craig Payne) 14. 11:13 AM - 601XL Video link (TxDave) 15. 12:20 PM - Re: Sheet Metal Arrival condition (Dave Ruddiman) 16. 04:27 PM - Re: Inexpensive basic avionics package (Juan Vega) 17. 04:37 PM - Re: Inexpensive basic avionics package (Craig Payne) 18. 07:42 PM - Re: Inexpensive basic avionics package / IFR (Brandon Tucker) 19. 10:35 PM - Re: Re: Fus overlaps (Roger Venables) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:08:42 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: My first flight in a 601XL From: "Martin Pohl" Hi Dave Thank you for the report and the pictures. Alex Roca's Zodiac is a real beauty!!! Martin -------- Martin Pohl Zodiac XL QBK 8645 Jona, Switzerland www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=86495#86495 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:33 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 601 HD with Rotax 914 From: chrisoz@bmail.com.au Hello Listers, has anybody heard of a 601 HD with a Rotax 914? I have a secondhand 914 sitting in my workshop that needs an airframe and am now tossing up ideas for Zodiac number six. My first HD taildragger had a 912 and climbed at 1300 fpm, absolutely loved that. I am aware that even with the 914 the plane will not go much faster than 100 knots but it should climb like a dingbat! Some of my fondest memories of my first 601 was holding her in groundeffect after take off, clocking up 85 knots and then zooming up at 2000 fpm... So if anybody knows wether this combination has been built and maybe what performance it had I would be much obliged! Greeting from downunder, Chris from Perth ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:33 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 601 HD with Rotax 914 From: chrisoz@bmail.com.au Hello Listers, has anybody heard of a 601 HD with a Rotax 914? I have a secondhand 914 sitting in my workshop that needs an airframe and am now tossing up ideas for Zodiac number six. My first HD taildragger had a 912 and climbed at 1300 fpm, absolutely loved that. I am aware that even with the 914 the plane will not go much faster than 100 knots but it should climb like a dingbat! Some of my fondest memories of my first 601 was holding her in groundeffect after take off, clocking up 85 knots and then zooming up at 2000 fpm... So if anybody knows wether this combination has been built and maybe what performance it had I would be much obliged! Greeting from downunder, Chris from Perth ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:58 AM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 HD with Rotax 914 She works like a charm Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started HYPERLINK "http://www.ch601.org"www.ch601.org / HYPERLINK "http://www.ch701.com"www.ch701.com/ HYPERLINK "http://www.Osprey2.com"www.Osprey2.com-----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of chrisoz@bmail.com.au Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:33 AM Subject: Zenith-List: 601 HD with Rotax 914 Hello Listers, has anybody heard of a 601 HD with a Rotax 914? I have a secondhand 914 sitting in my workshop that needs an airframe and am now tossing up ideas for Zodiac number six. My first HD taildragger had a 912 and climbed at 1300 fpm, absolutely loved that. I am aware that even with the 914 the plane will not go much faster than 100 knots but it should climb like a dingbat! Some of my fondest memories of my first 601 was holding her in groundeffect after take off, clocking up 85 knots and then zooming up at 2000 fpm... So if anybody knows wether this combination has been built and maybe what performance it had I would be much obliged! Greeting from downunder, Chris from Perth -- 4:12 PM -- 4:12 PM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:53 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fus overlaps From: "secatur" Thanks for the comments! I have decided that some of the pictures are contrary to the plans and other pictures...so I have decided to stick to the overlap I think is right ! By the way Bryan..stick your head out your car window at 90 mph...and see what gets in your eyes!!! [Twisted Evil] Thanks again all ! 2000 rivets down 6000 to go ! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=86510#86510 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:41 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 HD with Rotax 914 Hi Chris, I have a couple of uninformed comments to your question about a Rotax 914 and Zodiac HD. First, I wonder why you would prefer the HD to the newer and higher performing XL. Since it is newer, the support for the XL should be a little better too. Second, I wonder if the designer's limits for engine horsepower are exceeded by the 914. This can be a very dangerous situation. I don't know the exact fatal scenarios, but I think they involve applications of full power while flying slow and with nose high attitude. This can lead to instant spins if the rudder is not sufficiently large to counteract the torque. I would certainly recommend you seek designer approval of such a large engine on any Zodiac. Good luck, Paul XL fuselage do not archive At 04:33 AM 1/9/2007, you wrote: > >Hello Listers, > >has anybody heard of a 601 HD with a Rotax 914? I have a secondhand 914 >sitting in my workshop that needs an airframe and am now tossing up ideas >for Zodiac number six. My first HD taildragger had a 912 and climbed at >1300 fpm, absolutely loved that. I am aware that even with the 914 the >plane will not go much faster than 100 knots but it should climb like a >dingbat! Some of my fondest memories of my first 601 was holding her in >groundeffect after take off, clocking up 85 knots and then zooming up at >2000 fpm... >So if anybody knows wether this combination has been built and maybe what >performance it had I would be much obliged! > >Greeting from downunder, > >Chris from Perth > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:40 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Fus overlaps My eyelids aren't made out of aluminum and held shut with rivets with proper edge spacing. :) On Jan 9, 2007, at 8:16 AM, secatur wrote: > > Thanks for the comments! I have decided that some of the pictures > are contrary to the plans and other pictures...so I have decided to > stick to the overlap I think is right ! > > By the way Bryan..stick your head out your car window at 90 > mph...and see what gets in your eyes!!! [Twisted Evil] > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:57 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 HD with Rotax 914 If you already have the 914 onhand, take a look at the Titan T-51 kit. The 914 makes it perform reasonably well and its looks are extraordinary. Ed Moody II Do Not Archive ---- chrisoz@bmail.com.au wrote: > > Hello Listers, > > has anybody heard of a 601 HD with a Rotax 914? I have a secondhand 914 > sitting in my workshop that needs an airframe and am now tossing up ideas > for Zodiac number six. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:09 AM PST US From: Michael Parsons Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flight test data software question. Count me in on this project. I can't believe that Dynon would not already h ave software available that parses the raw data into text message formats a lready. If not is there is an ICD available?=0A=0AMichael Parsons=0Amaparso n@rockwellcollins.com=0Agyro_cfi@yahoo.com=0A=0A___________________________ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:25 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fus overlaps From: "Chris Lewis" I spoke with Chris Heintz at the Quality Sportsplanes open house last summer and and he indicated that you get a cleaner shape over all with the rear skin overlapping the front due to boundary layer effect. As he explained it - a forward facing overlap of only the skin thickness is close enough to the wing surface to not be in the airflow. A rearward facing overlap actually changes the airflow slightly generating additional drag. It's almost unmeasurable and given people's intuitive response to overlap (see above) and the proven ability to shed rain with a rearward overlap, he designed most surfaces with the forward skin overlapping the rear. I've traveled to Mexico, Mo and to California to visit Zenith staff. Expensive and time consuming for sure, but little tidbits like this information make it all worthwhile. Chris in Seattle -------- 701 Scratch Builder Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=86536#86536 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:47 AM PST US From: 4rcsimmons@comcast.net (Rich Simmons) Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Inexpensive basic avionics package Ok List, Can I dito this question but include/change to an IFR Package? I know I can go to the the FAR's for a description that needs to be decoded but, are there any of you guys who have built theirs IFR or intend to? If so, wht is your choice with cost being a consideration. I am starting my fusealge in February but I am continually looking at what others are doing! Thanks for your response Rich Simmons 601XL Tail 100% Wings 99% Fuselage in mid February Murfreesboro, TN Oh, Do not archive!
Ok List,
 
Can I dito this question but include/change to an IFR Package?
 
I know I can go to the the FAR's for a description that needs to be decoded but,
 
are there any of you guys who have built theirs IFR or intend to?
 
If so, wht is your choice with cost being a consideration.
 
I am starting my fusealge in February but I am continually looking at what others are doing!
 
Thanks for  your response

Rich Simmons
601XL
Tail 100% Wings 99%
Fuselage in mid February
Murfreesboro, TN
 
Oh, Do not archive!
________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:18 AM PST US From: Ryan Vechinski Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal Arrival condition I'm sorry, let me clarify what the material will be used for. I am building a 701, and the .025 is for the spar web. The spar web then gets capped on the top and bottom with 3/4" x 3/4" x .093 angle. I tried to polish the scratches out, and I can polish them out with a lot of elbow grease, but I think the list has swayed my opinion. I'll use this sheet for the ribs and other wing items, and I'll order a new sheet for the spar web. In the end I'll feel a lot better. (as others have said) By the way, my supplier was extememly helpful, and before I could even tell them that I didn't see the need to send them back, they said they will be sending out new sheets with prepayed package for the damaged sheets back to them. But, I had already cut the sheets, and I'll need more .025 anyway. Thanks everyone who chimed in on this question. It's good to bounce questions off the group to see what others think. I really appreciate it. Ryan Vechinski ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:33 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal Arrival condition Because your vendor did the right thing can you tell us who they are? -- Craig ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:50 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Video link From: "TxDave" If you can't view my 601XL flight video from my website try this link for YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bDJB3ix-VU You can still see photos of Alex's XL on my website here: http://www.daves601xl.com/Links/photo_updates/photo2/alex_roca/alex_roca.html Dave Clay Temple, TX scratch building 601XL wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=86600#86600 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:20:14 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal Arrival condition DO YOU MIND TELLING WHO THE SUPPLIER IS? THEY SOUND PRETTY REASONABLE TO WORK WITH. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Vechinski" Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal Arrival condition > > > I'm sorry, let me clarify what the material will be used for. I am > building a 701, and the .025 is for the spar web. The spar web then gets > capped on the top and bottom with 3/4" x 3/4" x .093 angle. > > I tried to polish the scratches out, and I can polish them out with a lot > of elbow grease, but I think the list has swayed my opinion. I'll use > this sheet for the ribs and other wing items, and I'll order a new sheet > for the spar web. In the end I'll feel a lot better. (as others have > said) > > > By the way, my supplier was extememly helpful, and before I could even > tell them that I didn't see the need to send them back, they said they > will be sending out new sheets with prepayed package for the damaged > sheets back to them. But, I had already cut the sheets, and I'll need > more .025 anyway. > > Thanks everyone who chimed in on this question. It's good to bounce > questions off the group to see what others think. I really appreciate it. > > Ryan Vechinski > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:20 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Inexpensive basic avionics package the basics would be like the piper cub I fly now and then, Altimeter, speedometer, compass, oil temp, engine heat, gas guage, and mag switch. Hand held radio, no transponder if flying outside class B. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Paul Mulwitz >Sent: Jan 8, 2007 6:05 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Inexpensive basic avionics package > > >I don't think you need any gyro instruments or vacuum pressure to >drive them to do VFR flying. > >There is a definitive list in the FARs, but I don't have the specific >reference. > >Besides the transponder, reporting altimeter, and communications >radio, you need the required flight instruments and related >stuff. These include (as best I can remember) a compass, altimeter, >airspeed indicator, tachometer, and fuel gauge. I don't think you >are required to have basic engine instruments like oil temperature, >oil pressure, etc. but most planes have these anyway. > >My own choice is to opt for the new-fangled electronic instrument >gizmos like the combined EFIS/EMS from Dynon. This unit costs a >little more than the bare bones list above but is MUCH less expensive >than installing a decent World War 2 style gyro package. Besides >giving you the legal minimum equipment it also gives you monitoring >and alarming of engine parameters and ample gyros to fly in minimal >VFR weather or unanticipated IMC. > >Paul >XL fuselage >do not archive > >At 11:48 AM 1/8/2007, you wrote: >>Has anyone compiled a list on what's needed (bare bones) for a >>inexpensive avionics package for VFR flight into Mode C territory >>(altitude encoding altimeter, encoder, NAV/COM, transponder), and >>maybe an inexpensive gyro and vacuum pump? >> >>Thanks > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:48 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Inexpensive basic avionics package You need a transponder if you are inside the Mode C veil even if you are not in class B UNLESS your plane was certified with no electrical system. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:59 PM PST US From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Inexpensive basic avionics package / IFR Rich, I don't think you can get any IFR package cheaper than the Stratomaster Ultra I mentioned in the last post. It is a very small gyro, so your eyes had better be pretty good. The Dynon unit, Blue Mountain EFIS lite, and Enigma are a bit more, but are much nicer. With the cost of electrical or mechanical attitude gyros what they are, the new batch of digital indicators are the way to go. This is a shot of my panel, which is IFR with ILS. http://www.mcgirt.net/~ars2006/ars2006/Desktop-Pages/Image0.html We often have a marine layer in S. California, and I simply wanted the ability to pop through the layer. I bought the ILS radio and a simple digital CDI off of ebay, to be legal, but plan to reference my VFR GPS for the situational awareness that digital moving maps provide. R/ Brandon Tucker 601 HDS / TD / Corvair 50 hours __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:50 PM PST US From: "Roger Venables" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Fus overlaps Chris Most Interesting! In Drawings 7-F-12 and 7-F-13 Chris Heinz shows a rearward facing overlap Guess I will stick with the drawings Roger 701 in Kenmore, WA -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Lewis Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:43 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fus overlaps I spoke with Chris Heintz at the Quality Sportsplanes open house last summer and and he indicated that you get a cleaner shape over all with the rear skin overlapping the front due to boundary layer effect. As he explained it - a forward facing overlap of only the skin thickness is close enough to the wing surface to not be in the airflow. A rearward facing overlap actually changes the airflow slightly generating additional drag. It's almost unmeasurable and given people's intuitive response to overlap (see above) and the proven ability to shed rain with a rearward overlap, he designed most surfaces with the forward skin overlapping the rear. I've traveled to Mexico, Mo and to California to visit Zenith staff. Expensive and time consuming for sure, but little tidbits like this information make it all worthwhile. 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