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1. 09:06 AM - Re: Rib form angles (Gary Gower)
2. 09:23 AM - Re: A little off topic (Gary Gower)
3. 09:28 AM - Ultra-slow-speed Internet test (Zed Smith)
4. 10:09 AM - position lights and strobes (Carlos Sa)
5. 10:42 AM - Airplane Flying Handbook (Ken Arnold)
6. 11:11 AM - position lights and strobes (Robin Bellach)
7. 11:37 AM - Experimental/Homebuilt Required Instruments (tinerj@tinerj.com)
8. 11:42 AM - Re: position lights and strobes ()
9. 11:48 AM - Re: Rib form angles (Terry Turnquist)
10. 12:11 PM - Re: Re: Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller (Gary Gower)
11. 12:17 PM - Re: Experimental/Homebuilt Required Instruments (Gig Giacona)
12. 01:05 PM - Re: Re: Experimental/Homebuilt Required Instruments (Dave Ruddiman)
13. 01:53 PM - Fuel line (Dave Ruddiman)
14. 04:07 PM - Re: Re: Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller (Paul Mulwitz)
15. 05:07 PM - Re: Re: Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller (Southern Reflections)
16. 10:29 PM - XL skin overlap question (Husky Larry J)
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| Subject: | Re: Rib form angles |
Hello Ryan,
No need for extra thickness in the ribs (or any other part of the aiplane) other
than the specified in the plans... As IK learned from older experienced builders...
"Add only Lightness and Simplicity to any Airplane".
At the end all the extra weight will limit your gasoline on board, passenger weight
and baggage.... Performance always suffer in any "heavy" airplane.
Hope this helps.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
701 912S
Building 601XL.
I'm building a 701, and currently making the wing rib forms. The material will
be .025 6061. What would be an appropriate angle to sand the edges of the forms,
to assure that my flanges come out 90 deg? Is there a formula to use for
different thickness material?
Ryan
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| Subject: | Re: A little off topic |
Alan is right, I think that we can draw a line in the 1,000 hrs mark...
More than 1,000 hrs will make a best finished and detailed airplane, How much
hours from the 1,000? You as proud builder will decide.
Build safe, Fly prudent. (Daniel Dalby, Pouchel designer)
Saludos
Gary Gower
ALAN BEYER <agbeyer@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Clyde,
I know you wanted XL build time. The time it takes to build depends on what kind
of finished product you want. I built an HDS, and the factory said you could
do it in 400 Hrs. I had over 2700 Hrs. of time in my kit built plane. Someone
asked me if I built another one how long would it take. My answer was:
I could spend 5000 Hrs. or I could do it in half the time it took me.
Enjoy every hour of build time,
Al From Oshkosh
601 HDS (300 Hrs. flight time in 2 years)
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From: Clyde Barcus <barcusc@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2007 7:07:17 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: A little off topic
As the hours continue to climb building my 601 XL from plans I can't help but
wonder how long it takes the average guy. I think it would be great to know
how long it actually took the average builder to build an XL, would those of you
that have completed your project please post your build time?
Clyde Barcus
601 XL, Corvair Powered
Wings, Tail & Engine Complete
Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Ultra-slow-speed Internet test |
do not archive
11:27 USA CST
This is a test. If it were the real thing you could duck & cover.
do not archive
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| Subject: | position lights and strobes |
Hello, all
Does anyone have any experience to share with the following position +
strobe packages:
http://www.airplanegear.com/skybright.htm
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/ledtaxi.php
https://ssl.perfora.net/gs-air.com/sess/utn;jsessionid=1541216aa0725f1/shopdata/index.shopscript(same
as the one from Aircraft Spruce, above)
http://www.creativair.com/strobe-light-p-36.html
...or any others, for that matter.
Thanks in advance for sharing.
Carlos
Montreal, Canada
CH601-HD, plans
right wing assembly in progress
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| Subject: | Airplane Flying Handbook |
The subject document can be downloaded from FAA site by putting following in
your Google address: faa-h-8083-3a
There are 7 files to choose from.
Regards,
Ken Arnold
CH701 on order
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| Subject: | position lights and strobes |
I'm using those from: GS-AIR.COM
(LEDlight + Strobe COMPLETE SYSTEM, $399),
and have not yet completed the installation, but am quite satisfied so
far. Sorry to not be much help.
Robin in AR
N601ZV
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From: Carlos Sa
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:08 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: position lights and strobes
Hello, all
Does anyone have any experience to share with the following position +
strobe packages:
http://www.airplanegear.com/skybright.htm
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/ledtaxi.php
https://ssl.perfora.net/gs-air.com/sess/utn;jsessionid=1541216aa0725f1/
shopdata/index.shopscript (same as the one from Aircraft Spruce, above)
http://www.creativair.com/strobe-light-p-36.html
...or any others, for that matter.
Thanks in advance for sharing.
Carlos
Montreal, Canada
CH601-HD, plans
right wing assembly in progress
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| Subject: | Experimental/Homebuilt Required Instruments |
The list below is for standard category certified aircraft. It applies on
ly to civil aircraft with a standard category airworthiness certificate.
Experimental/homebuilt aircraft are not standard category aircraft. Unles
s you are going into Mode C territority or plan IFR flights or do acrobat
ics, *no* instruments of any type are required. *None* You can leave your
instrument panel bare aluminum and legally fly that plane in Day VFR con
ditions. (And probably crash shortly after takeoff.)
John Hudson Tiner
>From CFR 14 FAR 91.205
(b) /Visual-flight rules (day)./ For VFR flight during the day, the
following instruments and equipment are required:
(1) Airspeed indicator.
(2) Altimeter.
(3) Magnetic direction indicator.
(4) Tachometer for each engine.
(5) Oil pressure gauge for each engine using pressure system.
(6) Temperature gauge for each liquid-cooled engine.
(7) Oil temperature gauge for each air-cooled engine.
(8) Manifold pressure gauge for each altitude engine.
(9) Fuel gauge indicating the quantity of fuel in each tank.
(10) Landing gear position indicator, if the aircraft has a retractable
landing gear.
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| Subject: | Re: position lights and strobes |
One more vote for the LED based position light and strobe combo from GS Air;
check out gs-air.com
Ed Moody II
---- Carlos Sa <carlossa52@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello, all
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> Does anyone have any experience to share with the following position +
> strobe packages:
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| Subject: | Re: Rib form angles |
Ryan, what you're looking for is the form flange angle to compensate for the "spring
back", which should be about 10 degrees or so. You can always finesse the
flange of the rib with wide seaming pliers to get them just right. Good luck!
Terry Turnquist
601 XL-Plans
St. Peters, MO
I'm building a 701, and currently making the wing rib forms. The material will
be .025 6061. What would be an appropriate angle to sand the edges of the forms,
to assure that my flanges come out 90 deg? Is there a formula to use for different
thickness material?
Ryan
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller |
Respectfully, What for? Want to cruise faster, same engine? buy a Varieze
or with a 0200 a Long Eze...
Lets enjoy the flight, once the wheels are off the ground :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower
Hope to finish my 601XL soon.
Now cruising at 85 - 90 in the 701 912S at 11,500 ft ASL @ 5100 rpm
Do not archive.
Craig,
All I am saying is that his Jab performs the same
as my Corvair, and that we both have not done much to
clean up our planes. I think the Jab is a better
engine, for those who can afford it. I am just
pointing out that they do not, in fact, run nitrous or
have afterburner, and IMHO are not capable of pushing
an HDS anywhere near 150 mph at 75% cruise.
To this point, the best I have heard is 135 mph
cruise in an XL. Can anyone do better than that?
VR/
Brandon
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| Subject: | Re: Experimental/Homebuilt Required Instruments |
I think it does have to have a fuel gauge.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=86958#86958
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| Subject: | Re: Experimental/Homebuilt Required Instruments |
That's what that little wire poking out of the gas cap is for.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:16 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Experimental/Homebuilt Required Instruments
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> I think it does have to have a fuel gauge.
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> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=86958#86958
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Hi Everyone,
I have 2 pieces of fuel line that I got from ZAC with my 801 kit. One is
22 ft long and the other is 9 ft. It is 3/8 i.d. Anyone want it? I'm
using metal lines and don't need it.
Dave in Salem
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller |
Hi Gary,
Perhaps you are not aware, but we have a new set of rules for pilots
and planes from the FAA in the United States. For those of us too
old and decrepit to want to fight for a "Special Issuance" medical
certificate, there is the Sport Pilot restriction which allows us to
fly any plane that meets the Light Sport Aircraft limits without a
medical certificate.
The short version of all of this is we can fly a 701 or 601 (most
models, possibly not the HDS) without fighting for the medical
certificate. Higher performance planes like a Verieze don't qualify
under this new rule.
The essence of the Sport Pilot restriction is we must limit our
flying to VFR day operations. Personally, I like those limits
anyway. I might go get an instrument rating if I could do it
without the medical certificate, but that will have to wait a few
years for the FAA to decide they don't like third class medical
certificates any more. That may happen and it may not.
So, there is actually some merit for guys like me to try to squeeze
performance out of my Zodiac XL that I just can't use if it comes
from a heavier or naturally faster plane.
Regards,
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 12:10 PM 1/11/2007, you wrote:
>Respectfully, What for? Want to cruise faster, same engine? buy
>a Varieze or with a 0200 a Long Eze...
>
>Lets enjoy the flight, once the wheels are off the ground :-)
>
>Saludos
>Gary Gower
>Hope to finish my 601XL soon.
>Now cruising at 85 - 90 in the 701 912S at 11,500 ft ASL @ 5100 rpm
>Do not archive.
>
>Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Craig,
>
>All I am saying is that his Jab performs the same
>as my Corvair, and that we both have not done much to
>clean up our planes. I think the Jab is a better
>engine, for those who can afford it. I am just
>pointing out that they do not, in fact, run nitrous or
>have afterburner, and IMHO are not capable of pushing
>an HDS
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller |
Hello, Gary
I know what you are talking about about getting that little extra out of
your 601XL. If you are really interested in that, take a look at the
Prince P-Tip.
You can talk to the owner, Lonnie Prince, who has the best prop I've
ever seen. Top of the line company and top of the line owner! Go to
their web site and see what the prop does for climb and cruise. Good
Luck. Joe (N101HD)
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Mulwitz
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller
Hi Gary,
Perhaps you are not aware, but we have a new set of rules for pilots
and planes from the FAA in the United States. For those of us too old
and decrepit to want to fight for a "Special Issuance" medical
certificate, there is the Sport Pilot restriction which allows us to fly
any plane that meets the Light Sport Aircraft limits without a medical
certificate.
The short version of all of this is we can fly a 701 or 601 (most
models, possibly not the HDS) without fighting for the medical
certificate. Higher performance planes like a Verieze don't qualify
under this new rule.
The essence of the Sport Pilot restriction is we must limit our flying
to VFR day operations. Personally, I like those limits anyway. I
might go get an instrument rating if I could do it without the medical
certificate, but that will have to wait a few years for the FAA to
decide they don't like third class medical certificates any more. That
may happen and it may not.
So, there is actually some merit for guys like me to try to squeeze
performance out of my Zodiac XL that I just can't use if it comes from a
heavier or naturally faster plane.
Regards,
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 12:10 PM 1/11/2007, you wrote:
Respectfully, What for? Want to cruise faster, same engine? buy
a Varieze or with a 0200 a Long Eze...
Lets enjoy the flight, once the wheels are off the ground :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower
Hope to finish my 601XL soon.
Now cruising at 85 - 90 in the 701 912S at 11,500 ft ASL @ 5100 rpm
Do not archive.
Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig,
All I am saying is that his Jab performs the same
as my Corvair, and that we both have not done much to
clean up our planes. I think the Jab is a better
engine, for those who can afford it. I am just
pointing out that they do not, in fact, run nitrous or
have afterburner, and IMHO are not capable of pushing
an HDS
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| Subject: | XL skin overlap question |
OK, I am wondering what some other people are getting for measurements
for the overlap on the front and rear skins. I put my wing jig together
and placed it on the fuse. By the time 6B5-5 is in place and I place
the front skin up against the front of the rear attachment, I have about
34 mm of overlap on the skins. I read somewhere that this distance is
supposed to be approximately 24 mm and I am 10 mm off. I have a set of
damaged factory drilled skins, that I plan on using as a drilling
template for my skins. When I place them in position, the center spar
lines seem to be dead on center, as well as the front gear upright, but
my rear gear upright sets off of the rear gear channel rivet line and is
more towards the rear seat back. I will have to do some more research
on this, but it just seems off to me. I am just worried about the 34 mm
overlap. The rear skin is also a factory drilled skin and I have the
right amount of distance from the front of the lower longeron to the
edge of the rear skin. I think it is 124 mm off hand. Let me know what
some of you have for overlap distance. I am just curious.
Larry Husky
Lakeview, Oregon
601XL / Building fuse
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