---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/11/07: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:06 AM - Re: Rib form angles (Gary Gower) 2. 09:23 AM - Re: A little off topic (Gary Gower) 3. 09:28 AM - Ultra-slow-speed Internet test (Zed Smith) 4. 10:09 AM - position lights and strobes (Carlos Sa) 5. 10:42 AM - Airplane Flying Handbook (Ken Arnold) 6. 11:11 AM - position lights and strobes (Robin Bellach) 7. 11:37 AM - Experimental/Homebuilt Required Instruments (tinerj@tinerj.com) 8. 11:42 AM - Re: position lights and strobes () 9. 11:48 AM - Re: Rib form angles (Terry Turnquist) 10. 12:11 PM - Re: Re: Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller (Gary Gower) 11. 12:17 PM - Re: Experimental/Homebuilt Required Instruments (Gig Giacona) 12. 01:05 PM - Re: Re: Experimental/Homebuilt Required Instruments (Dave Ruddiman) 13. 01:53 PM - Fuel line (Dave Ruddiman) 14. 04:07 PM - Re: Re: Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller (Paul Mulwitz) 15. 05:07 PM - Re: Re: Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller (Southern Reflections) 16. 10:29 PM - XL skin overlap question (Husky Larry J) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:23 AM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rib form angles Hello Ryan, No need for extra thickness in the ribs (or any other part of the aiplane) other than the specified in the plans... As IK learned from older experienced builders... "Add only Lightness and Simplicity to any Airplane". At the end all the extra weight will limit your gasoline on board, passenger weight and baggage.... Performance always suffer in any "heavy" airplane. Hope this helps. Saludos Gary Gower. 701 912S Building 601XL. I'm building a 701, and currently making the wing rib forms. The material will be .025 6061. What would be an appropriate angle to sand the edges of the forms, to assure that my flanges come out 90 deg? Is there a formula to use for different thickness material? Ryan --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:37 AM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: A little off topic Alan is right, I think that we can draw a line in the 1,000 hrs mark... More than 1,000 hrs will make a best finished and detailed airplane, How much hours from the 1,000? You as proud builder will decide. Build safe, Fly prudent. (Daniel Dalby, Pouchel designer) Saludos Gary Gower ALAN BEYER wrote: Clyde, I know you wanted XL build time. The time it takes to build depends on what kind of finished product you want. I built an HDS, and the factory said you could do it in 400 Hrs. I had over 2700 Hrs. of time in my kit built plane. Someone asked me if I built another one how long would it take. My answer was: I could spend 5000 Hrs. or I could do it in half the time it took me. Enjoy every hour of build time, Al From Oshkosh 601 HDS (300 Hrs. flight time in 2 years) ----- Original Message ---- From: Clyde Barcus Sent: Friday, January 5, 2007 7:07:17 AM Subject: Zenith-List: A little off topic As the hours continue to climb building my 601 XL from plans I can't help but wonder how long it takes the average guy. I think it would be great to know how long it actually took the average builder to build an XL, would those of you that have completed your project please post your build time? Clyde Barcus 601 XL, Corvair Powered Wings, Tail & Engine Complete Working on Fuselage r?Zenith-List" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navi========== --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:45 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: Ultra-slow-speed Internet test do not archive 11:27 USA CST This is a test. If it were the real thing you could duck & cover. do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:25 AM PST US From: "Carlos Sa" Subject: Zenith-List: position lights and strobes Hello, all Does anyone have any experience to share with the following position + strobe packages: http://www.airplanegear.com/skybright.htm http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/ledtaxi.php https://ssl.perfora.net/gs-air.com/sess/utn;jsessionid=1541216aa0725f1/shopdata/index.shopscript(same as the one from Aircraft Spruce, above) http://www.creativair.com/strobe-light-p-36.html ...or any others, for that matter. Thanks in advance for sharing. Carlos Montreal, Canada CH601-HD, plans right wing assembly in progress ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:41 AM PST US From: "Ken Arnold" Subject: Zenith-List: Airplane Flying Handbook The subject document can be downloaded from FAA site by putting following in your Google address: faa-h-8083-3a There are 7 files to choose from. Regards, Ken Arnold CH701 on order ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:11:58 AM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Zenith-List: position lights and strobes I'm using those from: GS-AIR.COM (LEDlight + Strobe COMPLETE SYSTEM, $399), and have not yet completed the installation, but am quite satisfied so far. Sorry to not be much help. Robin in AR N601ZV ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlos Sa To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:08 PM Subject: Zenith-List: position lights and strobes Hello, all Does anyone have any experience to share with the following position + strobe packages: http://www.airplanegear.com/skybright.htm http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/ledtaxi.php https://ssl.perfora.net/gs-air.com/sess/utn;jsessionid=1541216aa0725f1/ shopdata/index.shopscript (same as the one from Aircraft Spruce, above) http://www.creativair.com/strobe-light-p-36.html ...or any others, for that matter. Thanks in advance for sharing. Carlos Montreal, Canada CH601-HD, plans right wing assembly in progress ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:37:00 AM PST US From: tinerj@tinerj.com Subject: Zenith-List: Experimental/Homebuilt Required Instruments The list below is for standard category certified aircraft. It applies on ly to civil aircraft with a standard category airworthiness certificate. Experimental/homebuilt aircraft are not standard category aircraft. Unles s you are going into Mode C territority or plan IFR flights or do acrobat ics, *no* instruments of any type are required. *None* You can leave your instrument panel bare aluminum and legally fly that plane in Day VFR con ditions. (And probably crash shortly after takeoff.) John Hudson Tiner >From CFR 14 FAR 91.205 (b) /Visual-flight rules (day)./ For VFR flight during the day, the following instruments and equipment are required: (1) Airspeed indicator. (2) Altimeter. (3) Magnetic direction indicator. (4) Tachometer for each engine. (5) Oil pressure gauge for each engine using pressure system. (6) Temperature gauge for each liquid-cooled engine. (7) Oil temperature gauge for each air-cooled engine. (8) Manifold pressure gauge for each altitude engine. (9) Fuel gauge indicating the quantity of fuel in each tank. (10) Landing gear position indicator, if the aircraft has a retractable landing gear. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:42:18 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: position lights and strobes One more vote for the LED based position light and strobe combo from GS Air; check out gs-air.com Ed Moody II ---- Carlos Sa wrote: > Hello, all > > > Does anyone have any experience to share with the following position + > strobe packages: ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:48:41 AM PST US From: Terry Turnquist Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rib form angles Ryan, what you're looking for is the form flange angle to compensate for the "spring back", which should be about 10 degrees or so. You can always finesse the flange of the rib with wide seaming pliers to get them just right. Good luck! Terry Turnquist 601 XL-Plans St. Peters, MO I'm building a 701, and currently making the wing rib forms. The material will be .025 6061. What would be an appropriate angle to sand the edges of the forms, to assure that my flanges come out 90 deg? Is there a formula to use for different thickness material? Ryan --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:38 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller Respectfully, What for? Want to cruise faster, same engine? buy a Varieze or with a 0200 a Long Eze... Lets enjoy the flight, once the wheels are off the ground :-) Saludos Gary Gower Hope to finish my 601XL soon. Now cruising at 85 - 90 in the 701 912S at 11,500 ft ASL @ 5100 rpm Do not archive. Craig, All I am saying is that his Jab performs the same as my Corvair, and that we both have not done much to clean up our planes. I think the Jab is a better engine, for those who can afford it. I am just pointing out that they do not, in fact, run nitrous or have afterburner, and IMHO are not capable of pushing an HDS anywhere near 150 mph at 75% cruise. To this point, the best I have heard is 135 mph cruise in an XL. Can anyone do better than that? VR/ Brandon __________________________________________________ --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:04 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Experimental/Homebuilt Required Instruments From: "Gig Giacona" I think it does have to have a fuel gauge. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=86958#86958 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:05:17 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Experimental/Homebuilt Required Instruments That's what that little wire poking out of the gas cap is for. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gig Giacona" Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:16 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Experimental/Homebuilt Required Instruments > > I think it does have to have a fuel gauge. > > -------- > W.R. "Gig" Giacona > 601XL Under Construction > See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=86958#86958 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:01 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel line Hi Everyone, I have 2 pieces of fuel line that I got from ZAC with my 801 kit. One is 22 ft long and the other is 9 ft. It is 3/8 i.d. Anyone want it? I'm using metal lines and don't need it. Dave in Salem ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:07:16 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller Hi Gary, Perhaps you are not aware, but we have a new set of rules for pilots and planes from the FAA in the United States. For those of us too old and decrepit to want to fight for a "Special Issuance" medical certificate, there is the Sport Pilot restriction which allows us to fly any plane that meets the Light Sport Aircraft limits without a medical certificate. The short version of all of this is we can fly a 701 or 601 (most models, possibly not the HDS) without fighting for the medical certificate. Higher performance planes like a Verieze don't qualify under this new rule. The essence of the Sport Pilot restriction is we must limit our flying to VFR day operations. Personally, I like those limits anyway. I might go get an instrument rating if I could do it without the medical certificate, but that will have to wait a few years for the FAA to decide they don't like third class medical certificates any more. That may happen and it may not. So, there is actually some merit for guys like me to try to squeeze performance out of my Zodiac XL that I just can't use if it comes from a heavier or naturally faster plane. Regards, Paul XL fuselage do not archive At 12:10 PM 1/11/2007, you wrote: >Respectfully, What for? Want to cruise faster, same engine? buy >a Varieze or with a 0200 a Long Eze... > >Lets enjoy the flight, once the wheels are off the ground :-) > >Saludos >Gary Gower >Hope to finish my 601XL soon. >Now cruising at 85 - 90 in the 701 912S at 11,500 ft ASL @ 5100 rpm >Do not archive. > >Brandon Tucker wrote: > >Craig, > >All I am saying is that his Jab performs the same >as my Corvair, and that we both have not done much to >clean up our planes. I think the Jab is a better >engine, for those who can afford it. I am just >pointing out that they do not, in fact, run nitrous or >have afterburner, and IMHO are not capable of pushing >an HDS > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:22 PM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller Hello, Gary I know what you are talking about about getting that little extra out of your 601XL. If you are really interested in that, take a look at the Prince P-Tip. You can talk to the owner, Lonnie Prince, who has the best prop I've ever seen. Top of the line company and top of the line owner! Go to their web site and see what the prop does for climb and cruise. Good Luck. Joe (N101HD) ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Mulwitz To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller Hi Gary, Perhaps you are not aware, but we have a new set of rules for pilots and planes from the FAA in the United States. For those of us too old and decrepit to want to fight for a "Special Issuance" medical certificate, there is the Sport Pilot restriction which allows us to fly any plane that meets the Light Sport Aircraft limits without a medical certificate. The short version of all of this is we can fly a 701 or 601 (most models, possibly not the HDS) without fighting for the medical certificate. Higher performance planes like a Verieze don't qualify under this new rule. The essence of the Sport Pilot restriction is we must limit our flying to VFR day operations. Personally, I like those limits anyway. I might go get an instrument rating if I could do it without the medical certificate, but that will have to wait a few years for the FAA to decide they don't like third class medical certificates any more. That may happen and it may not. So, there is actually some merit for guys like me to try to squeeze performance out of my Zodiac XL that I just can't use if it comes from a heavier or naturally faster plane. Regards, Paul XL fuselage do not archive At 12:10 PM 1/11/2007, you wrote: Respectfully, What for? Want to cruise faster, same engine? buy a Varieze or with a 0200 a Long Eze... Lets enjoy the flight, once the wheels are off the ground :-) Saludos Gary Gower Hope to finish my 601XL soon. Now cruising at 85 - 90 in the 701 912S at 11,500 ft ASL @ 5100 rpm Do not archive. Brandon Tucker wrote: Craig, All I am saying is that his Jab performs the same as my Corvair, and that we both have not done much to clean up our planes. I think the Jab is a better engine, for those who can afford it. I am just pointing out that they do not, in fact, run nitrous or have afterburner, and IMHO are not capable of pushing an HDS ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:09 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: XL skin overlap question From: "Husky Larry J" OK, I am wondering what some other people are getting for measurements for the overlap on the front and rear skins. I put my wing jig together and placed it on the fuse. By the time 6B5-5 is in place and I place the front skin up against the front of the rear attachment, I have about 34 mm of overlap on the skins. I read somewhere that this distance is supposed to be approximately 24 mm and I am 10 mm off. I have a set of damaged factory drilled skins, that I plan on using as a drilling template for my skins. When I place them in position, the center spar lines seem to be dead on center, as well as the front gear upright, but my rear gear upright sets off of the rear gear channel rivet line and is more towards the rear seat back. I will have to do some more research on this, but it just seems off to me. I am just worried about the 34 mm overlap. The rear skin is also a factory drilled skin and I have the right amount of distance from the front of the lower longeron to the edge of the rear skin. I think it is 124 mm off hand. Let me know what some of you have for overlap distance. I am just curious. Larry Husky Lakeview, Oregon 601XL / Building fuse ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.