Today's Message Index:
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1. 02:17 AM - Re: XL skin overlap question (Paul Mulwitz)
2. 05:18 AM - Corvair temps / was N282RS Flight report (Brandon Tucker)
3. 05:52 AM - Paint and surface treatment temperatures (Don Mountain)
4. 07:53 AM - Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller (Gig Giacona)
5. 08:30 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 01/11/07 (Joe)
6. 09:20 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 01/11/07 (Carlos Sa)
7. 10:09 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 01/11/07 ()
8. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller (David Downey)
9. 12:28 PM - Re: Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller (Al Young)
10. 12:48 PM - Re: Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller (Craig Payne)
11. 01:26 PM - Rotax water temp probe holder (george may)
12. 01:36 PM - Rotax water temp probe holder (george may)
13. 03:59 PM - Re: position lights and strobes (Dave VanLanen)
14. 04:06 PM - Re: Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller (Al Young)
15. 04:26 PM - position lights and strobes (Robin Bellach)
16. 04:56 PM - Re: position lights and strobes (Aaron Gustafson)
17. 05:14 PM - Re: position lights and strobes (Carlos Sa)
18. 07:34 PM - Steel Source and The Ultimate Flight (Matt Stecher)
19. 07:54 PM - Re: position lights and strobes (Husky Larry J)
20. 08:00 PM - Re: Steel Source and The Ultimate Flight (Craig Payne)
21. 08:43 PM - Re: Paint and surface treatment temperatures (Ron Lendon)
22. 08:55 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 01/11/07 (Ron Lendon)
23. 09:08 PM - Re: position lights and strobes (Ron Lendon)
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| Subject: | Re: XL skin overlap question |
Hi Larry,
I don't have the overlap measurement handy since I am at my office
and the plane is in my shop. Since it is 23 degrees out there this
morning I am not willing to walk out there.
However, I did have interesting problems joining my front and back
fuselage. In my case, the baggage floor wasn't long enough to meet
the flange in the bulkhead. I came up around 20 mm short.
I called ZAC about this and had a nice chat with an engineer named
Kevin about all this. It seems this is the time when all the
precision in your firewall and other angles show up. We went over
several potential issues and agreed that I could proceed without
undue risk of life and limb. I just added a wide "L" on the bottom
rear end of the baggage floor to make the connection.
I would suggest you look at your overlap issue with normal rivet edge
distance issues in mind and decide if you have a useable overlap or
not. It wouldn't hurt to give ZAC a call on this one too. That is
what you pay for when you buy a kit or plans - technical support.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
At 10:26 PM 1/11/2007, you wrote:
>OK, I am wondering what some other people are getting for
>measurements for the overlap on the front and rear skins. I put my
>wing jig together and placed it on the fuse. By the time 6B5-5 is
>in place and I place the front skin up against the front of the rear
>attachment, I have about 34 mm of overlap on the skins. I read
>somewhere that this distance is supposed to be approximately 24 mm
>and I am 10 mm off. I have a set of damaged factory drilled skins,
>that I plan on using as a drilling template for my skins. When I
>place them in position, the center spar lines seem to be dead on
>center, as well as the front gear upright, but my rear gear upright
>sets off of the rear gear channel rivet line and is more towards the
>rear seat back. I will have to do some more research on this, but
>it just seems off to me. I am just worried about the 34 mm
>overlap. The rear skin is also a factory drilled skin and I have
>the right amount of distance from the front of the lower longeron to
>the edge of the rear skin. I think it is 124 mm off hand. Let me
>know what some of you have for overlap distance. I am just curious.
>
>Larry Husky
>Lakeview, Oregon
>601XL / Building fuse
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| Subject: | Corvair temps / was N282RS Flight report |
Randy,
I found this after searching the flycorvair site.
The link is provided, but I cut and pasted the
relevant information.
http://www.flycorvair.com/qa2002.html
Reply from WW:
Factory cylinder head redline is 575F. Many
well-baffled installations will run 300F in cruise and
400F in a climb. These should be regarded as minimums.
Engines running cooler than this are not as efficient
and not at the temperature which GM designed the
engine to operate at. Even 450-475F in a climb will
provide a very large margin of cooling to the factory
limits. This is a well designed motor. I know of no
other air cooled motor which has such a high red line.
VR/
Brandon Tucker
601 / TD / Corvair
51 hours
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| Subject: | Paint and surface treatment temperatures |
Its starting to get cold here in Iowa, and I just finished fitting the wing skins
on my 601XL. After polishing them with Scotchbright, I caught a couple days
with temperatures in the high 40's and 50's. So, using the Dupont system for
aluminum, I applied the acid etch, washed off, and applied the Alodine solution
and washed off. I didn't get the slight brownish-yellow tint to the metal
surface like I had when using the Alodine in the heat of summer. It still looked
like polished aluminum. Then the next day after the temperature had risen
to 55 degrees in the shop, I painted them with the Dupont zinc chromate primer.
Even with a small heater blowing on the sheets overnight, it got down to
40 degrees. Has anybody experienced painting in low temperatures like these and
does it cause any problems?
Don Mountain
601XL, tail done, wings almost done
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| Subject: | Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller |
While I had heard of the Prince P-Tip I hadn't read anything about it until you
made this post. After looking at the Aircraft Spruce write up about it it may
be a good choice that would give you some of the benefits of an in-flight adjustable
prop and still keep you legal as far as the LSA rules are concerned.
Anybody know what these things cost?
purplemoon99(at)bellsouth wrote:
> Hello, Gary
>
> I know what you are talking about about getting that little extra out of your
601XL. If you are really interested in that, take a look at the Prince P-Tip.
> You can talk to the owner, Lonnie Prince, who has the best prop I've ever seen.
Top of the line company and top of the line owner! Go to their web site
and see what the prop does for climb and cruise. Good Luck. Joe (N101HD)
>
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=87076#87076
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 01/11/07 |
Carlos,
I plan to use those strobes on my 601 XL. when I did a search on E-bay for
strobes, I found the same strobe control box used for squad cars, busses,
etc. Some have 6 strobes! there's no question that the power supply is the
same as the ones you listed below.
It would be cool to find an actual aerodynamic clear lens and mounting plate
for each wing and buy the E-bay box. You could have a strobe on each wing,
on the tail, on the belly, a disco ball in the baggage compartment, etc.
Does anyone know where you can get a clear "aircraft looking" lens fixture
for the wings?
Would the 3 light lens be alright for the XL wing? That way I don't have to
wire a taillight. Is that legal?
Joe
> Hello, all
>
>
> Does anyone have any experience to share with the following position +
> strobe packages:
>
> http://www.airplanegear.com/skybright.htm
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/ledtaxi.php
>
> https://ssl.perfora.net/gs-air.com/sess/utn;jsessionid=1541216aa0725f1/shopdata/index.shopscript(same
> as the one from Aircraft Spruce, above)
>
> http://www.creativair.com/strobe-light-p-36.html
>
> ...or any others, for that matter.
>
> Thanks in advance for sharing.
>
> Carlos
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 01/11/07 |
Joe, GS Air does sell the support+lens+leds+strobe tubes as a kit. See item
LED-002 at $249.
If you want only the support and lens, maybe they do sell it. You have to
ask.
A disco ball in the baggage compartment... Interesting idea...
Cheers
Carlos
Montreal, Canada
CH601-HD, plans.
On 12/01/07, Joe <joe@kfiz.com> wrote:
>
...
> It would be cool to find an actual aerodynamic clear lens and mounting
> plate
> for each wing and buy the E-bay box. You could have a strobe on each wing,
> on the tail, on the belly, a disco ball in the baggage compartment, etc.
>
> Does anyone know where you can get a clear "aircraft looking" lens fixture
> for the wings?
> ...
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 01/11/07 |
GS Air has a two wingtip unit system that satisfies all the arcs of visibility
for night flight. Strobes and LED position lights are included inthe two aerodynamic
units.
And BTW......."Death Before Disco!"
Ed Moody II
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| Subject: | Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller |
http://www.princeaircraft.com/html/web_page_price_list.HTM
http://www.princeaircraft.com/html/order_form.html
http://www.princeaircraft.com/html/application_chart.html
Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@cox.net> wrote:
While I had heard of the Prince P-Tip I hadn't read anything about it until you
made this post. After looking at the Aircraft Spruce write up about it it may
be a good choice that would give you some of the benefits of an in-flight adjustable
prop and still keep you legal as far as the LSA rules are concerned.
Anybody know what these things cost?
purplemoon99(at)bellsouth wrote:
> Hello, Gary
>
> I know what you are talking about about getting that little extra out of your
601XL. If you are really interested in that, take a look at the Prince P-Tip.
> You can talk to the owner, Lonnie Prince, who has the best prop I've ever seen.
Top of the line company and top of the line owner! Go to their web site and
see what the prop does for climb and cruise. Good Luck. Joe (N101HD)
>
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=87076#87076
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
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Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now.
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| Subject: | Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller |
Gig- I purchased a P-Tip replacement for my 3300 XL about a year ago.
Costs $1087.00
Al Young
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:52 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller
>
> While I had heard of the Prince P-Tip I hadn't read anything about it
> until you made this post. After looking at the Aircraft Spruce write up
> about it it may be a good choice that would give you some of the benefits
> of an in-flight adjustable prop and still keep you legal as far as the LSA
> rules are concerned.
>
> Anybody know what these things cost?
>
>
> purplemoon99(at)bellsouth wrote:
>> Hello, Gary
>>
>> I know what you are talking about about getting that little extra out
>> of your 601XL. If you are really interested in that, take a look at the
>> Prince P-Tip.
>> You can talk to the owner, Lonnie Prince, who has the best prop I've
>> ever seen. Top of the line company and top of the line owner! Go to
>> their web site and see what the prop does for climb and cruise. Good
>> Luck. Joe (N101HD)
>>
>
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=87076#87076
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller |
>> Gig- I purchased a P-Tip replacement for my 3300 XL about a year ago.
What kind of prop did you replace and what kind of performance change did
you see?
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Rotax water temp probe holder |
Hi folks
Sorry to ask a question that I know was answered previously, however, my
archive search talents are not too good and I could not find the answer.
Could some one please give me the contact name and number for the Rotax
water temperature probe holder.
Thanks
George May
601XL 912s -41 hours
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| Subject: | Rotax water temp probe holder |
Hi folks
Sorry to ask a question that I know was answered previously, however, my
archive search talents are not too good and I could not find the answer.
Could some one please give me the contact name and number for the Rotax
water temperature probe holder.
Thanks
George May
601XL 912s -41 hours
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| Subject: | Re: position lights and strobes |
I was considering the use of these combination lights as well, but I'm
concerned that the rear-facing white position lights might not meet the
FAA-required arc of visibility on the 601XL. I have the white position
light from ZAC that I was going to install on the rudder so I didn't need to
worry about this, however it does not appear that these companies provide
combination lights with just the red/strobe and green/strobe combinations,
and I don't know if it would be acceptable to have both the rudder light and
the rear-facing white lights on the wings. Can anyone enlighten me?
Thanks,
Dave Van Lanen
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Time: 11:11:58 AM PST US
From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: position lights and strobes
I'm using those from: GS-AIR.COM
(LEDlight + Strobe COMPLETE SYSTEM, $399),
and have not yet completed the installation, but am quite satisfied so
far. Sorry to not be much help.
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| Subject: | Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller |
Craig- I had a "incident" with my XL which required a new prop along with
other parts. I don't have enough data to answer your question. I hope to
get back into the air this month. I only had 3 flights with the p-tip but I
sure was impressed with the short time I experienced it. I replaced a P-tip
with the new one.
Al Young
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:47 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Sensenich Composite Propeller
>
>>> Gig- I purchased a P-Tip replacement for my 3300 XL about a year ago.
>
> What kind of prop did you replace and what kind of performance change did
> you see?
>
> -- Craig
>
>
>
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| Subject: | position lights and strobes |
Re: Zenith-List: position lights and strobesI'm planning the same thing,
and don't see any contradiction with lighting regulations.
Robin in AR
N601ZV
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave VanLanen
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: position lights and strobes
I was considering the use of these combination lights as well, but I'm
concerned that the rear-facing white position lights might not meet the
FAA-required arc of visibility on the 601XL. I have the white position
light from ZAC that I was going to install on the rudder so I didn't
need to worry about this, however it does not appear that these
companies provide combination lights with just the red/strobe and
green/strobe combinations, and I don't know if it would be acceptable to
have both the rudder light and the rear-facing white lights on the
wings. Can anyone enlighten me?
Thanks,
Dave Van Lanen
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| Subject: | Re: position lights and strobes |
Re: Zenith-List: position lights and strobesI'm looking for a white
position light for my rudder. If anyone has one they didn't use or a
used one, please let me know and I'll buy it from you.
Aaron gustafson do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: position lights and strobes |
Enlightening is just a click away:
http://whelen.com/aviation/catalog/Anit-Collision%20Systems.pdf
Carlos
On 12/01/07, Dave VanLanen <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> I was considering the use of these combination lights as well, but I'm
> concerned that the rear-facing white position lights might not meet the
> FAA-required arc of visibility on the 601XL. I have the white position
> light from ZAC that I was going to install on the rudder so I didn't need
> to worry about this, however it does not appear that these companies provide
> combination lights with just the red/strobe and green/strobe combinations,
> and I don't know if it would be acceptable to have both the rudder light
> and the rear-facing white lights on the wings. Can anyone enlighten me?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave Van Lanen
>
>
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| Subject: | Steel Source and The Ultimate Flight |
Part One:
I am building Dave's brake and searching for reasonably priced 3x3x1/4 angle
to build it from. My usual supplier in Brookshire (West of Houston) is $45
for 20 feet.
Wade, where did you get yours?
Part Two:
This one is off topic, but is well worth the time if you have ever wanted to
fly without a plane wrapped around you. Though you might want to avoid it
if you have a dial up connection.
I received this link from my EAA chapter and was blown away by the video.
http://www.jet-man.com/actuel.html
Just clink on play to see it. My French stinks, but as they say a picture
is worth a thousand words.
I can't wait to see what the next prototype can do.
Enjoy,
Matt
XL Tail & Corvair in Houston
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| Subject: | position lights and strobes |
I second that motion. I am also looking for one, but only after Aaron
gets his!
Larry Husky
Lakeview, Oregon
601XL / Building fuse!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron
Gustafson
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:55 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: position lights and strobes
I'm looking for a white position light for my rudder. If anyone
has one they didn't use or a used one, please let me know and I'll buy
it from you.
Aaron gustafson do not archive
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| Subject: | Steel Source and The Ultimate Flight |
>> http://www.jet-man.com/actuel.html
>> Just clink on play to see it. My French stinks
Try this:
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jet-man.com%2Factue
l.html&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools
or this: http://tinyurl.com/yeqhax
-- Craig
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Paint and surface treatment temperatures |
I won't even try to paint if it is below 68. I also have a real big furnace in
my garangar. :D
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 01/11/07 |
Carlos,
I just purchased the AeroFlash units from ACS, their PN: 11-04763
A little pricey $472.95, for the Double flash, 12V kit but I think it will take
care of all the lighting needs for position and nav, and the Double flash strobes
should help me be seen by others. The units are light and all metal construction
except the lenses and such.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=87231#87231
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| Subject: | Re: position lights and strobes |
Carlos,
I just purchased the AeroFlash units from ACS, their PN: 11-04763
A little pricey $472.95, for the Double flash, 12V kit but I think it will take
care of all the lighting needs for position and nav, and the Double flash strobes
should help me be seen by others. The units are light and all metal construction
except the lenses and such.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=87234#87234
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