---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/15/07: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:51 AM - Re: position lights and strobes - tx! (John Bolding) 2. 05:12 AM - Re: Rear wing spar measurement (ashontz) 3. 06:29 AM - Re: Two questions (Noel Loveys) 4. 06:44 AM - Re: Domed covers (David Downey) 5. 07:01 AM - Re: Two questions (Dino Bortolin) 6. 07:46 AM - 601XL canopy questions? (David Downey) 7. 07:49 AM - Inspection covers (LarryMcFarland) 8. 09:21 AM - Re: Inspection covers (Noel Loveys) 9. 11:30 AM - Re: Inspection covers (Terry Turnquist) 10. 11:34 AM - Re: Metal to Metal Adehisive (David Downey) 11. 12:12 PM - Re: Metal to Metal Adehisive (Dave Ruddiman) 12. 12:12 PM - Re: Metal to Metal Adehisive (Dave Ruddiman) 13. 12:29 PM - Re: Painfully learned polishing tips (PatrickW) 14. 12:57 PM - Re: Inspection covers (LarryMcFarland) 15. 02:38 PM - Re: Rear wing spar measurement (Ron Lendon) 16. 03:26 PM - Re: Indexing a row of holes (Bill Naumuk) 17. 03:29 PM - Re: Re: Painfully learned polishing tips (Bill Naumuk) 18. 03:49 PM - Repairman Course/Rainbow Aviation () 19. 04:11 PM - Re: Re: Painfully learned polishing tips (John Bolding) 20. 04:17 PM - Re: Metal to Metal Adehisive (David Downey) 21. 05:02 PM - Prince P-Tip Propeller (Tim Juhl) 22. 05:05 PM - Wheel pants for sale (Tim Juhl) 23. 07:12 PM - Re: Rear wing channel jigs? (lane_jones) 24. 07:22 PM - How to lay out your panel (partial instructions) (Kevin Kinney) 25. 10:34 PM - Re: Inspection covers (JohnDRead@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:17 AM PST US From: "John Bolding" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: position lights and strobes - tx! Keep resisting, my experience is that strobe components deteriate over time unless you run them periodically, have had buddies that ended up buying twice as power supply that sat on the shelf for yrs wouldn't fire up. Check with the manufacturers. LOW&SLOW John I'd like to thank all that offered comments / feedback on the position + strobe lights. However, I am trying to resist the idea of buying now: I am still many months (years is more like it) away from flying, and the technology is no doubt going to evolve before I get there. Carlos CH601-HD, plans ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:49 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rear wing spar measurement From: "ashontz" Ron Lendon wrote: > Sounds like you have it well in hand. How are the flaps and ailerons going to fit up? Will there be a bigger step? Shimming is an acceptable practice to get things to fit. The flaps and ailerons should be ok. I talked with Scott Laughlin, he recommended just making the flaps and ailerons to size per the plans. 2mm tops shouldn't be a problem. How would you go about making a shim if need be? I was thinking about this if it came to it. I figued if I had to shim for some reason that I'd make an L out of .025 or .040. maybe 20mm wide and afix it to the rib (riveted on the side of the rib) where the gap is, that way I'd fill in the space as well as not have to worry about the shim moving when it came time to drill and rivet the wing skin. -------- CH601XL - Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=87722#87722 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:59 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Two questions You can buy inspection covers, drill/cut the appropriate holes and hold them in place with Tinnerman nuts. Normally inspection ports are only put on the bottom of lifting surfaces where air pressure will help hold them in place. If a port has to be on an upper skin it has to; be as small as possible, have a reasonably strong retaining ring installed for reinforcement and use much more substantial fasteners than Tinnerman nuts. Best advice don't even consider it.. As for the dings... if they are small enough fill then with epoxy, sand back and repaint. Larger dents may require drilling small holes and pulling the dent out with a slap hammer. You can then use a blind rivet to fill the hole. Larger dents again... replace the skin in that area. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JohnDRead@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 2:19 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Two questions Hello List: I have two questions that I am sure there are good answer for. 1. Is there a simple way to remove small dings from wing skins? 2. Does any one have a good design for inspection covers, round and rectangular? Thanks, John Read CH701 - in Colorado Tail group complete Right wing nearing completion Do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:56 AM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Domed covers Hello Dave; How do you make a beaded line in a tool designed for flares and double flares? Are you simply end compressing the tubing to give a bulge or is there a way to actually form a defined bead? Thanks. Dave in SE pA 601XL/Corvair? Dave and Pam Fisher wrote: Hi Dave, Need a streamlined cover? Just raid the kitchen stove while the wife's away! Those little aluminum drip pans under the burners can be cut into segments that join to make neat little canoe shaped covers! Also,tool alert! Harbor Freight sells a double tube flaring tool that makes neat little raised beads on the ends of aluminum fuel lines - much cheaper than a real live beading tool. Item # 40878-4BDA, $12.99 Have fun! Dave, 701 with A80-8 Continental Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:27 AM PST US From: "Dino Bortolin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Two questions I've rolled some small dents out with a tablespoon. Put something polished under the dent, like a scrap piece of steel or aluminum plate, and then gently rock the spoon back and forth over the dent. Dino > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > JohnDRead@aol.com > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 2:19 AM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: Two questions > > > Hello List: > I have two questions that I am sure there are good answer > for. > > 1. Is there a simple way to remove small dings from wing skins? > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:58 AM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL canopy questions? Hello; I am not building an RV; I am building a CH601XL. However, I am studying very seriously the consequences of using the canopy for an RV6, 7, or 9 in the tip up mode. I keep hearing rumors that someone else has tried it and got nothing but trouble. I would like 2 things: 1. If someone knows who that might be and would forward my e-mail to them I would appreciate it very much. 2. I would also like to get a digital photo or photocopy of the pages of the RV plans that cover that installation in any model for the saek of comparing/contrasting the tip-up installations in the RV and XL. Another RVator did send the pages that apply to teh slider but it is just too different to be useful. Van's has stated that they will sell any piece of their installation to a non builder, canopy, frame components, and fittings as needed. I did not think to ask them if they would sell those pages of the drawings. I realize that I would have to change the contours of the forward deck and the turtledeck a little but the design width is very similar and the length appears to be manageable. Thanks. Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:23 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Zenith-List: Inspection covers Hi John, I like the round ones for wings and fuselage sides. I located inspection holes each side of the fuselage just about 10 inches ahead of the bulkhead and above where cables exit. These holes were cut by hand with a fly-cutter. The cutting point needs to be flat-side out to get a flush square edge. The center holes are pre-drilled, 1/16 pilot, then a sharp drill the same size as the center-guide drill in your fly-cutter. Use light pressure for both drilling and fly-cutting by hand. Do a sample piece first to get the feel for the process. It takes only about 10 minutes to cut a nice hole in the fuselage by hand, about 1 second to mess one up using a drill, so do the fly-cutting manually in the same way that you'd use a compass. See links, http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/inspectail.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/innertail.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/rudder/full/rudelev.gif I cut 5-inch diameter disks from .040 6061-T6, spun them on a lathe to reduce a 1/4 inch edge to .038 so that they stay centered inside the 4-1/2 inch diameter inspection hole. I imagine three or four recess head pop rivets could have been used to do the same centering action. The spiders are just a 5-3/4 inch .040 6061-T6 disk that have been cut to an X with legs that are 7/8-inch wide, extending to within 7/8-inch of the center hole. The spider is bent 1/2 inch in from the tips, 3/4 inch out from the center so the ends are flat and the center of the spider is exactly 1/2 inch above the disk it sets on. 8-32 rivnuts and 1-inch long recess head stainless screws secure the two pieces. These are easily removed and replaced by simply loosening and tightening the screw and there is no noticeable deformation nor do the screws need to be tightened more than snug. See link. http://www.macsmachine.com/images/wing/inspectionpanels/full/spiders.jpg On the under wing disks, I added a screw to the lead edge of the disk to grab a j-nut on the spider and a hole in the skin which keeps the edge down tight and unaffected by the deflected air up front. Not needed at the fuselage though. See links. http://www.macsmachine.com/images/wing/inspectionpanels/full/accessspydersafety.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/wing/inspectionpanels/full/accessplate2.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/wing/inspectionpanels/full/accessplate3.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/paint/full/601ezclosefrtrt.gif These inspection covers work quite well and will not give you any trouble in the air or otherwise. Hope this is useful. Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:36 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Inspection covers A truly beautiful job on your plane. One question though ... For what radio is the longer antenna on the back of your plane used?? Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > LarryMcFarland > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 12:18 PM > To: JohnDRead@aol.com; zenith-list > Subject: Zenith-List: Inspection covers > > > > > Hi John, > I like the round ones for wings and fuselage sides. > I located inspection holes each side of the fuselage just about 10 > inches ahead of the bulkhead and above where cables exit. > These holes were cut by hand with a fly-cutter. The cutting > point needs > to be flat-side out to get a flush square edge. The > center holes are pre-drilled, 1/16 pilot, then a sharp drill the same > size as the center-guide drill in your fly-cutter. Use light > pressure for both drilling and fly-cutting by hand. Do a > sample piece > first to get the feel for the process. > It takes only about 10 minutes to cut a nice hole in the fuselage by > hand, about 1 second to mess one up using > a drill, so do the fly-cutting manually in the same way that > you'd use a > compass. > See links, > http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/inspectail.gif > http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/innertail.gif > http://www.macsmachine.com/images/rudder/full/rudelev.gif > > I cut 5-inch diameter disks from .040 6061-T6, spun them on a > lathe to > reduce a 1/4 inch edge to .038 so that they > stay centered inside the 4-1/2 inch diameter inspection hole. > I imagine > three or four recess head pop rivets > could have been used to do the same centering action. > > The spiders are just a 5-3/4 inch .040 6061-T6 disk that have > been cut > to an X with legs that are 7/8-inch wide, > extending to within 7/8-inch of the center hole. The spider is bent > 1/2 inch in from the tips, 3/4 inch out from the > center so the ends are flat and the center of the spider is > exactly 1/2 > inch above the disk it sets on. > > 8-32 rivnuts and 1-inch long recess head stainless screws > secure the two > pieces. These are easily removed and > replaced by simply loosening and tightening the screw and there is no > noticeable deformation nor do the screws need to be > tightened more than snug. See link. > http://www.macsmachine.com/images/wing/inspectionpanels/full/s piders.jpg On the under wing disks, I added a screw to the lead edge of the disk to grab a j-nut on the spider and a hole in the skin which keeps the edge down tight and unaffected by the deflected air up front. Not needed at the fuselage though. See links. http://www.macsmachine.com/images/wing/inspectionpanels/full/accessspydersaf ety.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/wing/inspectionpanels/full/accessplate2.gi f http://www.macsmachine.com/images/wing/inspectionpanels/full/accessplate3.gi f http://www.macsmachine.com/images/paint/full/601ezclosefrtrt.gif These inspection covers work quite well and will not give you any trouble in the air or otherwise. Hope this is useful. Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:30:18 AM PST US From: Terry Turnquist Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Inspection covers Larry, you da man! Terry Turnquist 601XL-Plans St. Peters, MO LarryMcFarland wrote: Hi John, I like the round ones for wings and fuselage sides. I located inspection holes each side of the fuselage just about 10 inches ahead of the bulkhead and above where cables exit. These holes were cut by hand with a fly-cutter. The cutting point needs to be flat-side out to get a flush square edge. The center holes are pre-drilled, 1/16 pilot, then a sharp drill the same size as the center-guide drill in your fly-cutter. Use light pressure for both drilling and fly-cutting by hand. Do a sample piece first to get the feel for the process. It takes only about 10 minutes to cut a nice hole in the fuselage by hand, about 1 second to mess one up using a drill, so do the fly-cutting manually in the same way that you'd use a compass. See links, http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/inspectail.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/innertail.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/rudder/full/rudelev.gif I cut 5-inch diameter disks from .040 6061-T6, spun them on a lathe to reduce a 1/4 inch edge to .038 so that they stay centered inside the 4-1/2 inch diameter inspection hole. I imagine three or four recess head pop rivets could have been used to do the same centering action. The spiders are just a 5-3/4 inch .040 6061-T6 disk that have been cut to an X with legs that are 7/8-inch wide, extending to within 7/8-inch of the center hole. The spider is bent 1/2 inch in from the tips, 3/4 inch out from the center so the ends are flat and the center of the spider is exactly 1/2 inch above the disk it sets on. 8-32 rivnuts and 1-inch long recess head stainless screws secure the two pieces. These are easily removed and replaced by simply loosening and tightening the screw and there is no noticeable deformation nor do the screws need to be tightened more than snug. See link. http://www.macsmachine.com/images/wing/inspectionpanels/full/spiders.jpg On the under wing disks, I added a screw to the lead edge of the disk to grab a j-nut on the spider and a hole in the skin which keeps the edge down tight and unaffected by the deflected air up front. Not needed at the fuselage though. See links. http://www.macsmachine.com/images/wing/inspectionpanels/full/accessspydersafety.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/wing/inspectionpanels/full/accessplate2.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/wing/inspectionpanels/full/accessplate3.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/paint/full/601ezclosefrtrt.gif These inspection covers work quite well and will not give you any trouble in the air or otherwise. Hope this is useful. Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! 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Games. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:06 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Metal to Metal Adehisive ----- Original Message ----- From: David Downey To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 11:34 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Metal to Metal Adehisive Hey Dave, maybe these would do the job without bonding on metal disks? http://www.aircraftextras.com/FuelDrainFairings.htm Dave Ruddiman wrote: Hi All, I need some suggestions for sticking sticking aluminum to aluminum. I am making some pieces to cover gaps in my skins that are a little larger than I like. I would like to glue them on. They don't need to be removable. Thanks, Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:50 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Metal to Metal Adehisive I don't know what I did, but I just sent something. I couldn't get the site to open. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Downey To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 11:34 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Metal to Metal Adehisive Hey Dave, maybe these would do the job without bonding on metal disks? http://www.aircraftextras.com/FuelDrainFairings.htm Dave Ruddiman wrote: Hi All, I need some suggestions for sticking sticking aluminum to aluminum. I am making some pieces to cover gaps in my skins that are a little larger than I like. I would like to glue them on. They don't need to be removable. Thanks, Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:09 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Painfully learned polishing tips From: "PatrickW" This is great information. We see a lot of polished planes at Oshkosh every year, and they do look nice. I often wonder how good they look during the rest of the year. Maybe you'll be able to tell us... :D - PatrickW Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=87843#87843 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:57:11 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Inspection covers Hi Noel, Thank you, the rear antenna is for the ELT and the forward one is for the ICom AC200. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive Noel Loveys wrote: > > A truly beautiful job on your plane. > > One question though ... For what radio is the longer antenna on the back of > your plane used?? > > Noel > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:52 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rear wing spar measurement From: "Ron Lendon" With only 1mm per side I was thinking of .040" strips where needed on the rib flange. The rivets through the skin/strip/rib will hold the strips in place. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=87866#87866 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:12 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Indexing a row of holes Jay- Glad everything worked out. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Indexing a row of holes > > Bill, > > It seems that I was overly concerned about accuracy. I simply used a > scale and marked off 20mm increments, centerpunched and drilled pilot > holes. I drilled three stacked bus bars at the same time and use one of > the bus bars as a template to drill pilot holes in the sub panel. I test > fitted several circuit breakers and it works out just fine. > > Thanks - Jay in Dallas > Do not archive > > > "Bill Naumuk" wrote: > >> >>Jay- >> I forgot about an old layout trick. >> Draw a line with a fine Sharpie from one end hole to another. Center >>punch one end hole. Then set a draftsman's compass with two points (No >>lead) >>to 20mm, stick one point in the first punch hole and swing an arc across >>the >>Sharpie line. You can then leapfrog your way to the second end hole. If >>you >>wind up with the last arc right on the second end hole, go back and center >>punch the scribed intersections. You won't be off more than a couple thou >>total, and everything will be evenly spaced. >> do not archive >>Bill Naumuk >>HDS Fuselage >>Townville, Pa >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Bill Naumuk" >>To: >>Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 11:56 PM >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Indexing a row of holes >> >> >>> >>> Jay- >>> Ideally, use a Bridgeport vertical mill. Other than that, use an >>> ultra-fine point Sharpie and a "Clicker" center punch. >>> Bill Naumuk >>> HDS Fuselage >>> Townville, Pa >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 9:09 PM >>> Subject: Zenith-List: Indexing a row of holes >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Listers, >>>> >>>> I am in the process of making a sub-panel for my circuit breakers. The >>>> circuit breakers need to be located 20mm on center. Therefore, I need >>>> to >>>> drill holes in the sub-panel at 20mm O.C.; and I also need to drill >>>> holes >>>> in a .032 x 1/2" copper bus bar (fastened to the back side of the >>>> circuit >>>> breakers)at 20mm O.C. I will have two rows of circuit breakers, eight >>>> in >>>> each row. I don't feel that I can just mark them with a sharpie and get >>>> the accuracy I want. Does anyone have any method for accurately >>>> indexing >>>> holes like this? >>>> >>>> Jay in Dallas >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:29:06 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Painfully learned polishing tips Pat- I think the hassle is more in getting what you want to begin with- maintanance should be no big deal. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "PatrickW" Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 3:28 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Painfully learned polishing tips > > This is great information. > > We see a lot of polished planes at Oshkosh every year, and they do look > nice. I often wonder how good they look during the rest of the year. > > Maybe you'll be able to tell us... :D > > - PatrickW > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=87843#87843 > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:25 PM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: Repairman Course/Rainbow Aviation My name is Gayla. My husband Sam has been a member of your list for some time and I need your help. Sam paid for a 120 hour Repairman Course through Rainbow Aviation. He has passed away due to an accident. This course allows you to perform maintenance and conditional inspections on light-sport aircraft, perform annuals and the 100 hour inspections for any experimental light-sport aircraft. I have for sale and Carol at Rainbow Aviation is aware of my posting to the various lists, a seat to the January 22nd - February 9th Repairman Course or a stand-by seat to any future 120 hour Repairman Course. The cost is $3,595.00 and you do NOT need to be a member of EAA or any other organization to get this discounted price. You can contact Carol Carpenter (owner of Rainbow Aviation) at: info@rainbowaviation.com (530-824-0644 or 530-567-5141) or you can email me (GaylaLemley@PeoplePC.com) and I will get the information to Carol. Carol is really trying to help me recoup some of the money and is trying to get the seat sold as well. The sale will be handled through Carol at Rainbow Aviation. Hope there is someone out there who wants to attend this course or purchase a stand-by ticket for any future 120 hour Repairman Course. So if you are not interested or can't attend maybe you know somebody who might be interested or maybe you could forward this information to other flying related lists that you know of. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Gayla (Sam's wife) ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:35 PM PST US From: "John Bolding" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Painfully learned polishing tips Bill, Hopefully you live where the humidity and pollution are low as THAT's what gonna determine how much you gotta keep rubbin' on that pretty bird, unless you put on a clear coat , which isn't a cure-all either. Along the Gulf Coast where I live you see precious few polished airplanes due to the continuing effort to keep them good looking, I admire your grit!! pun intended LOW&SLOW John : Re: Zenith-List: Re: Painfully learned polishing tips Pat- I think the hassle is more in getting what you want to begin with- maintanance should be no big deal. Bill Naumuk ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:17:27 PM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Metal to Metal Adehisive Try this: http://tinyurl.com/yfndp7 Dave Ruddiman wrote: I don't know what I did, but I just sent something. I couldn't get the site to open. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Downey To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 11:34 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Metal to Metal Adehisive Hey Dave, maybe these would do the job without bonding on metal disks? http://www.aircraftextras.com/FuelDrainFairings.htm Dave Ruddiman wrote: Hi All, I need some suggestions for sticking sticking aluminum to aluminum. I am making some pieces to cover gaps in my skins that are a little larger than I like. I would like to glue them on. They don't need to be removable. Thanks, Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:41 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Prince P-Tip Propeller From: "Tim Juhl" Has anyone got any performance figures using the Prince P-Tip prop on a 601XL running a Jabiru 3300? It is an interesting design and I wonder whether it performs as advertised. Tim -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=87913#87913 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:23 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Wheel pants for sale From: "Tim Juhl" I have a set of the original style wheel pants for an XL for sale. Never installed, hardware included, still wrapped in the paper. $200. Contact me off list. Tim Do not archive -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=87914#87914 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:19 PM PST US From: "lane_jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rear wing channel jigs? John, 400mm is correct. Remember to always use the drawings as the final authority. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Marzulli To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 12:20 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Rear wing channel jigs? I'm working on the rear wing channels and just finished the left and right 600m pieces (7V6-2SP) . According to the manual, you then set the jig to 380mm for the shorter piece ( 7V6-1 ) , but the length of the channel is 380mm, so there is no room for the 7V6-3 that has to be attached. The plans indicate that the completed piece should be 400mm from flange to flange, so I want to think that the manual meant to specify 400mm for the jig. Can any previous builders verify that the jig should be set to 400mm instead of 380? Thanks, -- John Marzulli http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ "Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:54 PM PST US From: Kevin Kinney Subject: Zenith-List: How to lay out your panel (partial instructions) Here's the procedure I've used for laying out my panel. 1. Create actual sized templates of all your instruments. 2. Create a brown paper mock-up of your panel. 3. Move the templates around on the paper until you get a good idea of where you like the instruments. 4. Tape your paper mock-up on your actual panel and practice reaching for instruments and switches. You'll probably want to tweak things a bit 5. Make a .016" mockup of your panel. Use a center punch to transfer the corner relief holes & screws of your templates to the aluminum mock-up. 6. Cut out the mock-up templates and fit your instruments to it. At this point, you may want to do a comprehensive bench test of your equipment. Your harness wires can also be cut to length now. (Instrument wires should be left to length until you get them into the actual cockpit.) 7. When you're comfortable with how things look, securely tape the .016" mock-up to your actual panel. The mockup should be left in place while cutting so that you do not accidentally scar the surface of your actual panel. 8. Cut a few of the larger parts out of your panel and discover your EFIS doesn't fit the cutout. However the map box fits perfectly in front of the pilot. 9. Discover you taped the .016" template backward. 10. Use colorful language until red in the face and hoarse in the throat. 11. Type up your method. As soon as I discover how to fix this, I'll add to the instructions. I'm thinking either moving the EFIS 3/4" to the left or creating a subpanel. That is once I stop using colorful language.... Regards, kk -- Non-Parent - I don't see how you can raise children & stay sane. Parent - You don't. You pick one and go with it. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:05 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Inspection covers Hello List: Thanks for all the great suggestions for inspection holes and ding removal. 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