---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/21/07: 48 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:57 AM - Re: I give up! (secatur) 2. 05:40 AM - Re: Re: Lightening hole flange length (Ryan Vechinski) 3. 06:27 AM - Re: Fuselage Gussets (Wade Jones) 4. 06:39 AM - Builder Locations (ZodieRocket) 5. 07:17 AM - Re: Builder Locations (n801bh@netzero.com) 6. 08:18 AM - Re: Re: I give up! (Bill Naumuk) 7. 08:26 AM - Re: Builder Locations (Robin Bellach) 8. 08:30 AM - Re: Fuselage Gussets (Bill Naumuk) 9. 08:41 AM - Re: Re: Lightening hole flange length (Bill Naumuk) 10. 09:22 AM - Re: Builder Locations (ZodieRocket) 11. 09:24 AM - Re: Fuselage Gussets (Gary Boothe) 12. 09:43 AM - Off topic, kinda on topic (ZodieRocket) 13. 10:05 AM - Re: Fuselage Gussets (Bill Naumuk) 14. 10:11 AM - Re: Off topic, kinda on topic (Edward Moody II) 15. 10:18 AM - Re: Builder Locations (Juan Vega) 16. 10:24 AM - Re: Fuselage Gussets (Gary Boothe) 17. 11:05 AM - Re: Builder Locations (Dave Ruddiman) 18. 11:46 AM - Re: Fuselage Gussets (Bill Naumuk) 19. 01:13 PM - Wing Spar Assembly Drawing 6W3, number of hat stiffeners ? (Maarten Versteeg) 20. 01:18 PM - Re: Re: Electronic Headsets.. (Tim Verthein) 21. 01:30 PM - Re: Off topic, kinda on topic (Noel Loveys) 22. 01:57 PM - Re: Wing Spar Assembly Drawing 6W3, number of hat stiffeners ? (Terry Turnquist) 23. 02:28 PM - Re: Wing Spar Assembly Drawing 6W3, number of hat stiffeners ? (Paul Mulwitz) 24. 02:35 PM - Re: Wing Spar Assembly Drawing 6W3, number of hat stiffeners ? (Jaybannist@cs.com) 25. 02:40 PM - Re: Wing Spar Assembly Drawing 6W3, number of hat stiffeners ? (Jaybannist@cs.com) 26. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: Re: Electronic Headsets.. (Steve Hulland) 27. 04:02 PM - Annual Inspections (Rich) 28. 04:07 PM - Re: Re: Re: Electronic Headsets.. (Gary Boothe) 29. 04:20 PM - Flap Gap Stop 601XL (Tim Juhl) 30. 04:27 PM - Re: Re: Re: Electronic Headsets.. (Steve Hulland) 31. 04:28 PM - Re: Electronic Headsets.. (Gig Giacona) 32. 04:32 PM - Re: Flap Gap Stop 601XL (Gig Giacona) 33. 04:34 PM - Re: Builder Locations (n801bh@netzero.com) 34. 05:20 PM - Re: Annual Inspections (T. Graziano) 35. 05:27 PM - I'm visiting Toronto (Dave Thompson) 36. 05:28 PM - Zenith 601 XL complete kit for sale (afterfxllc@aol.com) 37. 05:47 PM - Re: I'm visiting Toronto (ZodieRocket) 38. 06:09 PM - Re: Re: Annual Inspections (LarryMcFarland) 39. 06:36 PM - Re: Electronic Headsets.. (Gary Gower) 40. 06:41 PM - Re: Re: Annual Inspections (NYTerminat@aol.com) 41. 06:44 PM - Re: More decisions about buying the Rotax 912 for my 701 (Gary Gower) 42. 08:10 PM - More questions (JohnDRead@aol.com) 43. 08:12 PM - re-fusefage gussets (Joe) 44. 08:29 PM - Re: Re: Electronic Headsets.. (Frank Stutzman) 45. 08:33 PM - Re: A new Evans Question (David X) 46. 08:59 PM - Re: More questions (Jon Croke) 47. 09:55 PM - Re: More questions (Larry Winger) 48. 11:01 PM - Re: Wing Spar Assembly Drawing 6W3, number of hat stiffeners ? (TxDave) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:57:33 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: I give up! From: "secatur" Lol ! Bill...Not that it's in any way important, but in the time you have been pre-polishing I have built the Fuse and the rudder for my 701 (89 hours total...kit arrived on 24th Dec 2006) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89214#89214 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010007_156.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:25 AM PST US From: Ryan Vechinski Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Lightening hole flange length Thanks Dave! I was looking only at the plans, and never looked in the construction manual. Sorry for the trouble! Ryan do not archive ---------------------------------------- > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Lightening hole flange length > From: dclaytx2@HOTMAIL.COM > Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:28:11 -0800 > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > > > Hey Ryan, > > On page 17 of the ZAC construction manual for the 601 it shows the flange depth (note I said depth) should be 8mm. Looking at my wing ribs I'm pretty close to that. > > DISCLAIMER FOR FLAMERS: THE 8MM FIGURE IS PER ZAC FLANGING DIE SPECS AND IS NOT BASED ON MY PERSONAL OPINION. > > Dave Clay > www.daves601xl.com > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89138#89138 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:52 AM PST US From: "Wade Jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets Hello group ,thanks to all that replied to my question .The gussets must have been excluded when the plans went to .025 skins . Thanks Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ----- Original Message ----- From: Wade Jones To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 3:52 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets Hello group ,while reading the different sites I see mention of several gussets in the rear fuselage .Have the plans been revised to exclude these or am I not seeing them in my plans interpretations . Plans Dated 03/06 Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:44 AM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: Zenith-List: Builder Locations Hi Guys it has been awhile since I have mentioned HYPERLINK "http://www.frappr.com/zenith701"http://www.frappr.com/zenith701 and HYPERLINK "http://www.frappr.com/zenith601"http://www.frappr.com/zenith601 Wow has it changed in the last little while you can actually zoom down to see houses or airports. If you have been there before have a new look , if your new to the list then drop by the applicable list and put in your location. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started HYPERLINK "http://www.ch601.org"www.ch601.org / HYPERLINK "http://www.ch701.com"www.ch701.com/ HYPERLINK "http://www.Osprey2.com"www.Osprey2.com -- 1/19/2007 4:46 PM -- 1/20/2007 10:31 PM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:31 AM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Builder Locations Boy, are all the 801 builders gonna need therapy now,,,, Nobody loves us anymore.. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "ZodieRocket" wrote: Hi Guys it has been awhile since I have mentioned http://www.fr appr.com/zenith701 and http://www.frappr.com/zenith601 Wow has it chan ged in the last little while you can actually zoom down to see houses or airports. If you have been there before have a new look , if your new t o the list then drop by the applicable list and put in your location. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com/ www.Osprey2.com -- 1/19/2007 4:46 PM -- 1/20/2007 10:31 PM ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ========================

Boy, are all the 801 builders gonna need therapy now,,,, Nobody loves us anymore.. <G>

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Ben Haas
N801BH
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Hi Guys it has be en awhile since I have mentioned  http://www.frappr.com/zenith701  and http:/ /www.frappr.com/zenith601  Wow has it changed in the last little while you can actually zoom d own to see houses or airports. If you have been there before have a new look , if your new to the list then drop by t he applicable list and put in your location.

 

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________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:15 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: I give up! Experimentating is time consuming. There isn't a polished plane I know of in a 50 mile radius, so I had few people to turn to for advice and had to figure out a procedural sequence by trial and error. Sure, your fuse is built, but now if you want to polish you'll be flat on your back working uphand to get at the belly. Definitely not something to look forward to. Ask any of the long time builders on the list- sooner or later you'll regret not laying aside your "Schedule" to make life easier down the road. Like the old automotive product slogan, "You can pay me now, or you can pay me later". I haven't given up on polishing, just modified the sequence. Pre-polish all the bottom skins but wait to assemble those that you can get to. Once everything's riveted, you can't do much damage if you catch an edge with a bonnet. Most of the problems with my project can be traced to the condition my fuse side skins were in after 4 years of storage. I've decided to rivet the bottom skin assembly (Which is in fine shape), then cleco the sides and see what everything looks like. If I'm dissatisfied, the Hell with it, I'll scratchbuild new side skins. If you pride yourself on being fast, the results often wind up half-fast. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "secatur" Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 5:56 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: I give up! > > Lol ! Bill...Not that it's in any way important, but in the time you have > been pre-polishing I have built the Fuse and the rudder for my 701 (89 > hours total...kit arrived on 24th Dec 2006) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89214#89214 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010007_156.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:04 AM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Builder Locations I'd love to look at the 601 Frapper map again 'cause it's beem awhile, but now my 'puter llliteracy has stopped me. I get the message that I now must upgrade to Flash Player 8 or higher to view the map, but I can't seem to get it to download. I note the message saying you may need to click the gold bar at the top of the browser window to allow install, but I see nothing even remotely resembling a gold bar at the top of any IE browser window. Anyone know what I'm missing? Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: ZodieRocket To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:39 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Builder Locations Hi Guys it has been awhile since I have mentioned http://www.frappr.com/zenith701 and http://www.frappr.com/zenith601 Wow has it changed in the last little while you can actually zoom down to see houses or airports. If you have been there before have a new look , if your new to the list then drop by the applicable list and put in your location. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com/ www.Osprey2.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:37 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets Jay- Like I said, apples and oranges. Very interesting, though. I wonder if I could retrofit .025 to my HDS in the event that I decide to replace my fuse side skins. All 3 of my potential engine choices are heavier than a 912/914, so W+B shouldn't be a factor. Might be worth investigating. Zodie- have you heard anything on this subject? do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:33 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets > > Bill, Wade, > > You do NOT have to ask ZAC. They have already spoken - through their > drawings and photo guides. According to this (current) information, an XL > requires NO rear fuselage gussets! > > Jay in Dallas > Do not archive > > > "Bill Naumuk" wrote: > >>Wade- >> From the list responses, looks like you have to ask Zenith. >> do not archive >>Bill Naumuk >>HDS Fuselage >>Townville, Pa >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bill Naumuk >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 5:24 PM >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets >> >> >> Wade- >> Probably apples and oranges, but I'm right at that stage now. HDS >> plans call for gussets at the top of the fuse sides, aligned with the L >> angle stiffeners. >> Bill Naumuk >> HDS Fuselage >> Townville, Pa >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Wade Jones >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 4:52 PM >> Subject: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets >> >> >> Hello group ,while reading the different sites I see mention of >> several gussets in the rear fuselage .Have the plans been revised to >> exclude these or am I not seeing them in my plans interpretations . Plans >> Dated 03/06 >> Wade Jones South Texas >> 601XL plans building >> Cont. 0200 >> >> >>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:31 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Lightening hole flange length Ryan- You're not the only one- the old builders' manual has tripped me up more than once. Like for pitot tube location. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Vechinski" Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:39 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Lightening hole flange length > > > Thanks Dave! > > I was looking only at the plans, and never looked in the construction > manual. Sorry for the trouble! > > > Ryan > > do not archive > > > ---------------------------------------- >> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Lightening hole flange length >> From: dclaytx2@HOTMAIL.COM >> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:28:11 -0800 >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >> >> >> Hey Ryan, >> >> On page 17 of the ZAC construction manual for the 601 it shows the flange >> depth (note I said depth) should be 8mm. Looking at my wing ribs I'm >> pretty close to that. >> >> DISCLAIMER FOR FLAMERS: THE 8MM FIGURE IS PER ZAC FLANGING DIE SPECS AND >> IS NOT BASED ON MY PERSONAL OPINION. >> >> Dave Clay >> www.daves601xl.com >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89138#89138 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:35 AM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Builder Locations HYPERLINK "http://www.frappr.com/zenith701"http://www.frappr.com/zenith801 Don=92t feel bad, there is an 801 site as well. We love you, it=92s just your so dam big we figure you guys all talk secretly, and just didn=92t include me! Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH801 C-FHUC , CH701 on wheels wings and tail done OTIS HYPERLINK "http://www.ch601.org"www.ch601.org / HYPERLINK "http://www.ch701.com"www.ch701.com/ HYPERLINK "http://www.Osprey2.com"www.Osprey2.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n801bh@netzero.com Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:14 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Builder Locations Boy, are all the 801 builders gonna need therapy now,,,, Nobody loves us anymore.. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "ZodieRocket" wrote: Hi Guys it has been awhile since I have mentioned HYPERLINK "http://www.frappr.com/zenith701"http://www.frappr.com/zenith701 and HYPERLINK "http://www.frappr.com/zenith601"http://www.frappr.com/zenith601 Wow has it changed in the last little while you can actually zoom down to see houses or airports. If you have been there before have a new look , if your new to the list then drop by the applicable list and put in your location. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started HYPERLINK "http://www.ch601.org/"www.ch601.org / HYPERLINK "http://www.ch701.com/"www.ch701.com/ HYPERLINK "http://www.osprey2.com/"www.Osprey2.com -- 1/19/2007 4:46 PM -- 1/20/2007 10:31 PM ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List tronics.com "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Zenith-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com -- 1/20/2007 10:31 PM -- 1/20/2007 10:31 PM ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:34 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets Bill, FWIW, I'm exorcising my "Get Out of Jail Free" card as a certifiable experimenter and going with .025 skins on the fuse of my HDS. Didn't someone recommend that awhile ago? Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, Tail done, wings done, working on c-section -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:30 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets Jay- Like I said, apples and oranges. Very interesting, though. I wonder if I could retrofit .025 to my HDS in the event that I decide to replace my fuse side skins. All 3 of my potential engine choices are heavier than a 912/914, so W+B shouldn't be a factor. Might be worth investigating. Zodie- have you heard anything on this subject? do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:33 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets > > Bill, Wade, > > You do NOT have to ask ZAC. They have already spoken - through their > drawings and photo guides. According to this (current) information, an XL > requires NO rear fuselage gussets! > > Jay in Dallas > Do not archive > > > "Bill Naumuk" wrote: > >>Wade- >> From the list responses, looks like you have to ask Zenith. >> do not archive >>Bill Naumuk >>HDS Fuselage >>Townville, Pa >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bill Naumuk >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 5:24 PM >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets >> >> >> Wade- >> Probably apples and oranges, but I'm right at that stage now. HDS >> plans call for gussets at the top of the fuse sides, aligned with the L >> angle stiffeners. >> Bill Naumuk >> HDS Fuselage >> Townville, Pa >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Wade Jones >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 4:52 PM >> Subject: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets >> >> >> Hello group ,while reading the different sites I see mention of >> several gussets in the rear fuselage .Have the plans been revised to >> exclude these or am I not seeing them in my plans interpretations . Plans >> Dated 03/06 >> Wade Jones South Texas >> 601XL plans building >> Cont. 0200 >> >> >>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhre f="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:29 AM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: Zenith-List: Off topic, kinda on topic Hi Folks Yesterday and today I have spent my time cleaning up my shop. I seem to have gathered a vast amount of cut offs and waste aluminum, which tends to happen to scratch builders. While I was putting all those pieces which are too small to do anything with I was wondering Can they be melted down and poured into a mold in which I can make something useful like a statue of my 601 and 701? This requires a knowledge of mold making of which I don=92t have. I don=92t want a new career in this venture, I just want to make some use of scrap. All opinions and advice welcome but please respond to my personal E-Mail and not this list. Once and if I have a working model finished I will post the how-to on HYPERLINK "http://www.ch601.org/"www.ch601.org and HYPERLINK "http://www.ch701.com/"www.ch701.com Please E-Mail me at HYPERLINK "mailto:webmaster@ch601.org"webmaster@ch601.org Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started HYPERLINK "http://www.ch601.org"www.ch601.org / HYPERLINK "http://www.ch701.com"www.ch701.com/ HYPERLINK "http://www.Osprey2.com"www.Osprey2.com do not archive -- 1/19/2007 4:46 PM -- 1/20/2007 10:31 PM ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:05:52 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets Gary- I believe Larry Mac used .020 on the fuse sides and .025 on the outboard wings. I went with .025 on the outboards, and it's a lot easier to work with. .020 is more expensive than either .016 or .025. Are you exercising your get out of jail free card, or are you an exorcist? I hope ma doesn't know you've got Linda Blair tied up in the shop! Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:21 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets > > Bill, > > FWIW, I'm exorcising my "Get Out of Jail Free" card as a certifiable > experimenter and going with .025 skins on the fuse of my HDS. > > Didn't someone recommend that awhile ago? > > Gary Boothe > Cool, CA > 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, > Tail done, wings done, working on c-section > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:30 AM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets > > > Jay- > Like I said, apples and oranges. Very interesting, though. I wonder if > I > > could retrofit .025 to my HDS in the event that I decide to replace my > fuse > side skins. All 3 of my potential engine choices are heavier than a > 912/914, > > so W+B shouldn't be a factor. Might be worth investigating. > Zodie- have you heard anything on this subject? > do not archive > Bill Naumuk > HDS Fuselage > Townville, Pa > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:33 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets > > >> >> Bill, Wade, >> >> You do NOT have to ask ZAC. They have already spoken - through their >> drawings and photo guides. According to this (current) information, an >> XL > >> requires NO rear fuselage gussets! >> >> Jay in Dallas >> Do not archive >> >> >> "Bill Naumuk" wrote: >> >>>Wade- >>> From the list responses, looks like you have to ask Zenith. >>> do not archive >>>Bill Naumuk >>>HDS Fuselage >>>Townville, Pa >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Bill Naumuk >>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 5:24 PM >>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets >>> >>> >>> Wade- >>> Probably apples and oranges, but I'm right at that stage now. HDS >>> plans call for gussets at the top of the fuse sides, aligned with the L >>> angle stiffeners. >>> Bill Naumuk >>> HDS Fuselage >>> Townville, Pa >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Wade Jones >>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 4:52 PM >>> Subject: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets >>> >>> >>> Hello group ,while reading the different sites I see mention of >>> several gussets in the rear fuselage .Have the plans been revised to >>> exclude these or am I not seeing them in my plans interpretations . >>> Plans > >>> Dated 03/06 >>> Wade Jones South Texas >>> 601XL plans building >>> Cont. 0200 >>> >>> >>>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhre > f="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:17 AM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Off topic, kinda on topic Mark, do a phone book and web search for a foundry within driving distance. If there isn't one, try dental laboratories. You may get the help you want there. Ed Moody II Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: ZodieRocket To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 11:41 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Off topic, kinda on topic Hi Folks Yesterday and today I have spent my time cleaning up my shop. I seem to have gathered a vast amount of cut offs and waste aluminum, which tends to happen to scratch builders. While I was putting all those pieces which are too small to do anything with I was wondering Can they be melted down and poured into a mold in which I can make something useful like a statue of my 601 and 701? This requires a knowledge of mold making of which I don=92t have. I don=92t want a new career in this venture, I just want to make some use of scrap. All opinions and advice welcome but please respond to my personal E-Mail and not this list. Once and if I have a working model finished I will post the how-to on www.ch601.org and www.ch701.com Please E-Mail me at webmaster@ch601.org ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:45 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Builder Locations you probably need to upgrade from a Commodore 64 to something up to date :) DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- >From: Robin Bellach <601zv@ritternet.com> >Sent: Jan 21, 2007 11:25 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Builder Locations > >I'd love to look at the 601 Frapper map again 'cause it's beem awhile, but now my 'puter llliteracy has stopped me. I get the message that I now must upgrade to Flash Player 8 or higher to view the map, but I can't seem to get it to download. I note the message saying you may need to click the gold bar at the top of the browser window to allow install, but I see nothing even remotely resembling a gold bar at the top of any IE browser window. Anyone know what I'm missing? > >Do not archive. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ZodieRocket > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:39 AM > Subject: Zenith-List: Builder Locations > > > Hi Guys it has been awhile since I have mentioned http://www.frappr.com/zenith701 and http://www.frappr.com/zenith601 Wow has it changed in the last little while you can actually zoom down to see houses or airports. If you have been there before have a new look , if your new to the list then drop by the applicable list and put in your location. > > > > Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario > > Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started > > www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com/ www.Osprey2.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:57 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets Bill, My English teacher is rolling in her grave. Shame on me! But all this talk of electronic headsets has my head spinning.... Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, Tail done, wings done, working on c-section Do not archive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:05 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets Gary- I believe Larry Mac used .020 on the fuse sides and .025 on the outboard wings. I went with .025 on the outboards, and it's a lot easier to work with. .020 is more expensive than either .016 or .025. Are you exercising your get out of jail free card, or are you an exorcist? I hope ma doesn't know you've got Linda Blair tied up in the shop! Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:21 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets > > Bill, > > FWIW, I'm exorcising my "Get Out of Jail Free" card as a certifiable > experimenter and going with .025 skins on the fuse of my HDS. > > Didn't someone recommend that awhile ago? > > Gary Boothe > Cool, CA > 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, > Tail done, wings done, working on c-section > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:30 AM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets > > > Jay- > Like I said, apples and oranges. Very interesting, though. I wonder if > I > > could retrofit .025 to my HDS in the event that I decide to replace my > fuse > side skins. All 3 of my potential engine choices are heavier than a > 912/914, > > so W+B shouldn't be a factor. Might be worth investigating. > Zodie- have you heard anything on this subject? > do not archive > Bill Naumuk > HDS Fuselage > Townville, Pa > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:33 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets > > >> >> Bill, Wade, >> >> You do NOT have to ask ZAC. They have already spoken - through their >> drawings and photo guides. According to this (current) information, an >> XL > >> requires NO rear fuselage gussets! >> >> Jay in Dallas >> Do not archive >> >> >> "Bill Naumuk" wrote: >> >>>Wade- >>> From the list responses, looks like you have to ask Zenith. >>> do not archive >>>Bill Naumuk >>>HDS Fuselage >>>Townville, Pa >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Bill Naumuk >>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 5:24 PM >>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets >>> >>> >>> Wade- >>> Probably apples and oranges, but I'm right at that stage now. HDS >>> plans call for gussets at the top of the fuse sides, aligned with the L >>> angle stiffeners. >>> Bill Naumuk >>> HDS Fuselage >>> Townville, Pa >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Wade Jones >>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 4:52 PM >>> Subject: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets >>> >>> >>> Hello group ,while reading the different sites I see mention of >>> several gussets in the rear fuselage .Have the plans been revised to >>> exclude these or am I not seeing them in my plans interpretations . >>> Plans > >>> Dated 03/06 >>> Wade Jones South Texas >>> 601XL plans building >>> Cont. 0200 >>> >>> >>>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhr e > f="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:31 AM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Builder Locations I've said it before, "Size does matter". do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: ZodieRocket To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:19 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Builder Locations http://www.frappr.com/zenith801 Don=92t feel bad, there is an 801 site as well. We love you, it=92s just your so dam big we figure you guys all talk secretly, and just didn=92t include me! Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH801 C-FHUC , CH701 on wheels wings and tail done OTIS www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com/ www.Osprey2.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n801bh@netzero.com Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:14 AM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Builder Locations Boy, are all the 801 builders gonna need therapy now,,,, Nobody loves us anymore.. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "ZodieRocket" wrote: Hi Guys it has been awhile since I have mentioned http://www.frappr.com/zenith701 and http://www.frappr.com/zenith601 Wow has it changed in the last little while you can actually zoom down to see houses or airports. If you have been there before have a new look , if your new to the list then drop by the applicable list and put in your location. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com/ www.Osprey2.com -- 1/19/2007 4:46 PM -- 1/20/2007 10:31 PM ===========">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zen ith-List===========tronics.com======= ==== - The Zenith-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com -- 1/20/2007 10:31 PM -- 1/20/2007 10:31 PM ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:58 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets Gary- Don't feel bad- ma just came home with a copy of Turbo Tax. Looks like the rest of this weekend is shot! do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 1:24 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets > > Bill, > > My English teacher is rolling in her grave. Shame on me! But all this talk > of electronic headsets has my head spinning.... > > Gary Boothe > Cool, CA > 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, > Tail done, wings done, working on c-section > Do not archive. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:05 AM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets > > > Gary- > I believe Larry Mac used .020 on the fuse sides and .025 on the > outboard > > wings. I went with .025 on the outboards, and it's a lot easier to work > with. .020 is more expensive than either .016 or .025. > Are you exercising your get out of jail free card, or are you an > exorcist? I hope ma doesn't know you've got Linda Blair tied up in the > shop! > Bill Naumuk > HDS Fuselage > Townville, Pa > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Boothe" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:21 PM > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets > > >> >> Bill, >> >> FWIW, I'm exorcising my "Get Out of Jail Free" card as a certifiable >> experimenter and going with .025 skins on the fuse of my HDS. >> >> Didn't someone recommend that awhile ago? >> >> Gary Boothe >> Cool, CA >> 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, >> Tail done, wings done, working on c-section >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk >> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:30 AM >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets >> >> >> Jay- >> Like I said, apples and oranges. Very interesting, though. I wonder if >> I >> >> could retrofit .025 to my HDS in the event that I decide to replace my >> fuse >> side skins. All 3 of my potential engine choices are heavier than a >> 912/914, >> >> so W+B shouldn't be a factor. Might be worth investigating. >> Zodie- have you heard anything on this subject? >> do not archive >> Bill Naumuk >> HDS Fuselage >> Townville, Pa >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:33 PM >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets >> >> >>> >>> Bill, Wade, >>> >>> You do NOT have to ask ZAC. They have already spoken - through their >>> drawings and photo guides. According to this (current) information, an >>> XL >> >>> requires NO rear fuselage gussets! >>> >>> Jay in Dallas >>> Do not archive >>> >>> >>> "Bill Naumuk" wrote: >>> >>>>Wade- >>>> From the list responses, looks like you have to ask Zenith. >>>> do not archive >>>>Bill Naumuk >>>>HDS Fuselage >>>>Townville, Pa >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Bill Naumuk >>>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 5:24 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets >>>> >>>> >>>> Wade- >>>> Probably apples and oranges, but I'm right at that stage now. HDS >>>> plans call for gussets at the top of the fuse sides, aligned with the L >>>> angle stiffeners. >>>> Bill Naumuk >>>> HDS Fuselage >>>> Townville, Pa >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Wade Jones >>>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 4:52 PM >>>> Subject: Zenith-List: Fuselage Gussets >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello group ,while reading the different sites I see mention of >>>> several gussets in the rear fuselage .Have the plans been revised to >>>> exclude these or am I not seeing them in my plans interpretations . >>>> Plans >> >>>> Dated 03/06 >>>> Wade Jones South Texas >>>> 601XL plans building >>>> Cont. 0200 >>>> >>>> >>>>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhr > e >> f="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:42 PM PST US From: Maarten Versteeg Subject: Zenith-List: Wing Spar Assembly Drawing 6W3, number of hat stiffeners ? I am confused about the number of hat stiffeners specified in the main spar according to the latest 601XL drawings. In item 1, on the top view of the wing spar web four hat stiffeners are shown, on both the from view of the web and the whole spar only 3 hat stiffeners are shown. Also the description for the hat stiffeners in item 8 lists 4 short ones and TWO long ones. So how many hat stiffeners does the spar need to have? The rules say: when in doubt follow the drawings, but the drawings don't seem to be consistent here. I am scratch building the wings so I don't have a pre-fab spar delivered, is there a kit builder who remembers his spars ? Maarten Versteeg San Antonio 601XL part kit part scratch working on the wings ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:18:52 PM PST US From: Tim Verthein Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Re: Electronic Headsets.. I'm curious... When I was a kid (age 4 till past high school) I flew with my Dad a LOT...first in a 120, then a 140, then about 10 years worth in a 172. We never used headsets. Dad never even owned a set. We always had a simply mic hanging on a hook on the panel to grab and talk, and there was a speaker in the ceiling over our heads. I don't recall ever having a problem talking to Dad, or to ATC, nor do I recall trouble hearing them. Did we just become noise conscious as a group, or did the planes get louder? Or do we just like looking extra "aviator like" with headsets on? I must say in more recent history, all the flying I've done has been in aircraft with headsets, although since I don't own a finished plane yet, I don't own any either. Tim in Bovey, MN 701 Rudder Done Plans set ordered Rest of tail kit comin' soon == You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor! == Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:30:01 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Off topic, kinda on topic There may also be a jeweller in your area that uses casting to make their rings etc. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Edward Moody II Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 2:41 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Off topic, kinda on topic Mark, do a phone book and web search for a foundry within driving distance. If there isn't one, try dental laboratories. You may get the help you want there. Ed Moody II Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: ZodieRocket Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 11:41 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Off topic, kinda on topic Hi Folks Yesterday and today I have spent my time cleaning up my shop. I seem to have gathered a vast amount of cut offs and waste aluminum, which tends to happen to scratch builders. While I was putting all those pieces which are too small to do anything with I was wondering Can they be melted down and poured into a mold in which I can make something useful like a statue of my 601 and 701? This requires a knowledge of mold making of which I don't have. I don't want a new career in this venture, I just want to make some use of scrap. All opinions and advice welcome but please respond to my personal E-Mail and not this list. Once and if I have a working model finished I will post the how-to on www.ch601.org and www.ch701.com Please E-Mail me at webmaster@ch601.org Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (3.1.0.10 - 9.058.016). http://www.pctools.com/anti-virus/ ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:34 PM PST US From: Terry Turnquist Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing Spar Assembly Drawing 6W3, number of hat stiffeners ? Maarten, You need four (two short-two long) hat stiffeners for each spar Terry Turnquist 601XL-Plans St. Peters, MO Maarten Versteeg wrote: I am confused about the number of hat stiffeners specified in the main spar according to the latest 601XL drawings. In item 1, on the top view of the wing spar web four hat stiffeners are shown, on both the from view of the web and the whole spar only 3 hat stiffeners are shown. Also the description for the hat stiffeners in item 8 lists 4 short ones and TWO long ones. So how many hat stiffeners does the spar need to have? The rules say: when in doubt follow the drawings, but the drawings don't seem to be consistent here. I am scratch building the wings so I don't have a pre-fab spar delivered, is there a kit builder who remembers his spars ? Maarten Versteeg San Antonio 601XL part kit part scratch working on the wings --------------------------------- Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:36 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing Spar Assembly Drawing 6W3, number of hat stiffeners ? Hi Masrten, I don't have a spar handy, but I do have one scrapped out in my shop if I need to see any details. My prints are also out in the shop. Perhaps you need to understand the "Secret" that there are two different XL configurations for the wing spar. They depend on the choice of standard or extended range tanks. After you make the choice of tankage, you need to position the nose ribs correctly to create the single wide open area for the tank and then it may be obvious where the hat stiffeners go for that configuration. I hope that helps a little. if not, perhaps you could tell me which version of the wing tanks you have chosen and I can interpret where the hat stiffeners and nose ribs go. Best regards, Paul XL fuselage At 01:12 PM 1/21/2007, you wrote: > > >I am confused about the number of hat stiffeners specified in the >main spar according to the latest 601XL drawings. >In item 1, on the top view of the wing spar web four hat stiffeners >are shown, on both the from view of the web and the whole spar only >3 hat stiffeners are shown. Also the description for the hat >stiffeners in item 8 lists 4 short ones and TWO long ones. So how >many hat stiffeners does the spar need to have? The rules say: >when in doubt follow the drawings, but the drawings don't seem to >be consistent here. I am scratch building the wings so I don't have >a pre-fab spar delivered, is there a kit builder who remembers his >spars ? > >Maarten Versteeg San Antonio >601XL part kit part scratch >working on the wings > -- ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:13 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wing Spar Assembly Drawing 6W3, number of hat stiffeners ? Maarten, I don't remember, but I have extensive photos taken during construction. I have looked at the photos of both wings and I don't see the last (outboard) hat channel, the one that is shown on the plan view of the spar web. I can see three others, two short inboard ones and one long one at about mid span, as shown on the "front View.". Hope this helps. Jay in Dallas Maarten Versteeg wrote: > >I am confused about the number of hat stiffeners specified in the >main spar according to the latest 601XL drawings. >In item 1, on the top view of the wing spar web four hat stiffeners >are shown, on both the from view of the web and the whole spar only >3 hat stiffeners are shown. Also the description for the hat >stiffeners in item 8 lists 4 short ones and TWO long ones. So how >many hat stiffeners does the spar need to have? The rules say: >when in doubt follow the drawings, but the drawings don't seem to >be consistent here. I am scratch building the wings so I don't have >a pre-fab spar delivered, is there a kit builder who remembers his >spars ? > >Maarten Versteeg San Antonio >601XL part kit part scratch >working on the wings > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:03 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing Spar Assembly Drawing 6W3, number of hat stiffeners ? Maarten, You may need four, but as I said in my previous post, the kit-supplied spars only have three. Jay in Dallas Do not archive Terry Turnquist wrote: >Maarten, > > You need four (two short-two long) hat stiffeners for each spar > > Terry Turnquist > 601XL-Plans > St. Peters, MO > >Maarten Versteeg wrote: > >I am confused about the number of hat stiffeners specified in the >main spar according to the latest 601XL drawings. >In item 1, on the top view of the wing spar web four hat stiffeners >are shown, on both the from view of the web and the whole spar only >3 hat stiffeners are shown. Also the description for the hat >stiffeners in item 8 lists 4 short ones and TWO long ones. So how >many hat stiffeners does the spar need to have? The rules say: >when in doubt follow the drawings, but the drawings don't seem to >be consistent here. I am scratch building the wings so I don't have >a pre-fab spar delivered, is there a kit builder who remembers his >spars ? > >Maarten Versteeg San Antonio >601XL part kit part scratch >working on the wings > > > >--------------------------------- >Never Miss an Email >Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:43 PM PST US From: "Steve Hulland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Re: Electronic Headsets.. Tim, Headsets serve two very important functions: First - they protect your hearing. I wear hearing aids and wish I had protected my hearing during the first 25 years of my 50 years worth of aviation involvement.\ Second - They provide for much better communications with ATC, etc. As a result, safety is enhanced for everyone. Less miscommunication, less stress due to lower volumn and much more. My advise is to always use headsets - good ones. -- Semper Fi, Steven R. Hulland CH 600 Taildragger Amado, AZ This and all other incoming/outgoing email, attachments and replies scanned prior to opening/sending and uses an external firewall to help insure virus free email and attachments. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:53 PM PST US From: "Rich" <4rcsimmons@comcast.net> Subject: Zenith-List: Annual Inspections OK List, Small, Maybe large question! As I am assembling and seeing talks of cracks found during annual inspections, this has lead me to some thinking this morning. Of those who are flying with time on their homebuilt (601,701 701, RV or others), how do you establish your checklist for review during an annual inspection. Do you use a list established form the FAA, the plans developer, or simply experience. All attaching points? Mechanical movments? Any thoughts? Rich Simmons 601XL Waiting on Fuse kit ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:07:36 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Re: Electronic Headsets.. To hear better can't we just pull the string tighter? Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, Tail done, wings done, working on c-section Do not archive. _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Hulland Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 3:49 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Re: Electronic Headsets.. Tim, Headsets serve two very important functions: First - they protect your hearing. I wear hearing aids and wish I had protected my hearing during the first 25 years of my 50 years worth of aviation involvement.\ Second - They provide for much better communications with ATC, etc. As a result, safety is enhanced for everyone. Less miscommunication, less stress due to lower volumn and much more. My advise is to always use headsets - good ones. -- Semper Fi, Steven R. Hulland CH 600 Taildragger Amado, AZ This and all other incoming/outgoing email, attachments and replies scanned prior to opening/sending and uses an external firewall to help insure virus free email and attachments. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:49 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Flap Gap Stop 601XL From: "Tim Juhl" While finishing up my right wing (from a ZAC kit) I came across something interesting. The plans (6S3) show a 90 x 25 mm 1/8th inch thick piece of nylon that is riveted to the rear spar flange to act as a stop for the outboard end of the flap. Checking the parts list I could find no record of the piece and after a call to ZAC, they couldn't either. They're sending me a piece of nylon to make the part but I wondered whether others have run into the same issue. ZAC indicated I was the first to call about it. Tim -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89374#89374 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:59 PM PST US From: "Steve Hulland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Re: Electronic Headsets.. Gary A tighter string would probably work. Do Not Archive On 1/21/07, Gary Boothe wrote: > > To hear better can't we just pull the string tighter? > > > Gary Boothe > Cool, CA > 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, > Tail done, wings done, working on c-section > > Do not archive. > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Hulland > *Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2007 3:49 PM > *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Zenith-List: Re: Re: Electronic Headsets.. > > > Tim, > > Headsets serve two very important functions: > > First - they protect your hearing. I wear hearing aids and wish I had > protected my hearing during the first 25 years of my 50 years worth of > aviation involvement.\ > > Second - They provide for much better communications with ATC, etc. As a > result, safety is enhanced for everyone. Less miscommunication, less stress > due to lower volumn and much more. > > My advise is to always use headsets - good ones. > > > -- > Semper Fi, > Steven R. Hulland > CH 600 Taildragger > Amado, AZ > > This and all other incoming/outgoing email, attachments and replies > scanned prior to opening/sending and uses an external firewall to help > insure virus free email and attachments. > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > * * > > * > > * > > -- Semper Fi, Steven R. Hulland CH 600 Taildragger Amado, AZ This and all other incoming/outgoing email, attachments and replies scanned prior to opening/sending and uses an external firewall to help insure virus free email and attachments. ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:33 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Electronic Headsets.. From: "Gig Giacona" Tim I had much the same upbringing in and around aircraft. I flew with my grandfather in everything from Cubs to Lear Jets. It wasn't until the company he flew for purchased a Citation 1 that I ever saw him put on a headset and he only did it then because it was part of the single pilot requirements for the aircraft. That said I wish I'd worn them through my flying. I didn't start using them until I got my helicopter rating in '95. There is a ton of low frequency noise in aircraft that will, not might, but will damage your hearing. About 2 or 3 years ago I noticed having to turn the TV up a little louder. I got my hearing checked for the first time in years and when the Dr. was looking at the results he asked, "Do you fly?" He then went on to tell me that "For 30 years or so , right?" Wear them, and make you passengers wear them especially if they are kids. Add to that, assuming you have a good pair you really can hear the radio better. minoxphotographer(at)yaho wrote: > I'm curious... > When I was a kid (age 4 till past high school) I flew with my Dad a > LOT...first in a 120, then a 140, then about 10 years worth in a 172. > We never used headsets. Dad never even owned a set. We always had a > simply mic hanging on a hook on the panel to grab and talk, and there > was a speaker in the ceiling over our heads. I don't recall ever > having a problem talking to Dad, or to ATC, nor do I recall trouble > hearing them. Did we just become noise conscious as a group, or did > the planes get louder? Or do we just like looking extra "aviator like" > with headsets on? I must say in more recent history, all the flying > I've done has been in aircraft with headsets, although since I don't > own a finished plane yet, I don't own any either. > > Tim in Bovey, MN > 701 Rudder Done > Plans set ordered > Rest of tail kit comin' soon > -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89375#89375 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:40 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Flap Gap Stop 601XL From: "Gig Giacona" It didn't used to be on the plans. I didn't even know about it until I saw it on a 601XL down at Corvair College. Tim Juhl wrote: > While finishing up my right wing (from a ZAC kit) I came across something interesting. The plans (6S3) show a 90 x 25 mm 1/8th inch thick piece of nylon that is riveted to the rear spar flange to act as a stop for the outboard end of the flap. Checking the parts list I could find no record of the piece and after a call to ZAC, they couldn't either. They're sending me a piece of nylon to make the part but I wondered whether others have run into the same issue. ZAC indicated I was the first to call about it. > > Tim -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89377#89377 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:07 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Builder Locations We are all in the same boat, so chattin will solve most problems. Us 801 guys are real friendly. To quote a Radio Shack commercial " you have qu estions,,, we have answers".. happy flying, and for sure,,, DO NOT ARCHIVE Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "ZodieRocket" wrote: http://www.frappr.com/zenith801 Don=92t feel bad, there is an 801 site as well. We love you, it=92s just your so dam big we figure you guys all talk secretly, and just didn=92t include me! Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH801 C-FHUC , CH701 on wheels wings and tail done OTIS www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com/ www.Osprey2.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-s erver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n801bh@netzero.com Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:14 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Builder Locations Boy, are all the 801 builders gonna need therapy now,,,, Nobody loves us anymore.. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "ZodieRocket" wrote: Hi Guys it has been awhile since I have mentioned http://www.frappr.com /zenith701 and http://www.frappr.com/zenith601 Wow has it changed in t he last little while you can actually zoom down to see houses or airport s. If you have been there before have a new look , if your new to the li st then drop by the applicable list and put in your location. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com/ www.Osprey2.com -- 1/19/2007 4:46 PM -- 1/20/2007 10:31 PM ===========">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator? Zenith-List===========tronics.com====== ===== - The Zenith-List Email Forum - --> http:/ /www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List - NEW MATRONICS WE B FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com -- 1/20/2007 10:31 PM -- 1/20/2007 10:31 PM ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ========================

We are all in the same boat, so chattin will solve most problem s. Us 801 guys are real friendly. To quote a Radio Shack commercial " yo u have questions,,, we have answers"..

happy flying, and for sure,,, DO NOT ARCHIVE


Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com

-- "ZodieRocket" < ;zodierocket@hsfx.ca> wrote:

http://www.frappr.com/zenith801   Don=92t< /SPAN> feel bad, there is an 801 site as well. We love you, it=92s just your so dam big we figure you guys all talk sec retly, and just didn=92t include me! & nbsp;

 

Mark T ownsend  Alma, Ontario

Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH801 C-FHUC , CH701 on wheels wings and tail done OTIS

www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com/ www.Osprey2.com

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Boy, are all the 801 builders gonna need therapy now,,,, Nobody loves us anymore.. <G>

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Ben Haas< BR>N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com

-- "ZodieRocket" < zodierocket@hsfx.ca> wrote:

Hi Gu ys it has been awhile since I have mentioned  http://www.frappr.com/zenith701  and http://www.frappr.com/zenith601  Wow has it changed in the last little while you can act ually zoom down to see houses or airports. If you have been there before have a new look , if your new to the list th en drop by the applicable list and put in your location.

 

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________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:13 PM PST US From: "T. Graziano" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Annual Inspections Rich,Appendix 1 (Sample Checklist for a Condition Inspection) to Advisory Circular 90-89A "Amateur-Built Aircraft and Ultralight Flight Testing Handbook" is a good checklist to modify for your particular aircraft. Also, recommend all download the AC from the FAA website.Tony Graziano; 601XL; N493TG; 196 hrs -------- Of those who are flying with time on their homebuilt (601,701 701, RV or others), how do you establish your checklist for review during an annual inspection. Do you use a list established form the FAA, the plans developer, or simply experience. All attaching points? Mechanical movments? Any thoughts? Rich Simmons 601XL Waiting on Fuse kit ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:24 PM PST US From: "Dave Thompson" Subject: Zenith-List: I'm visiting Toronto Boys, I will be visiting Toronto, Canada on Business for three weeks from Jan 29th to Feb 16th. I'm looking for something to do over the two weekends and was hoping one or two of you builders live in the area. I don't mind driving an hour or so on either of the weekends to see someone's project. If there is someone that is interested in showing off their project, please contact me off list. Thanks, Dave Thompson dave.thompson@verizon.net Westminster, CA 601XL rudder workshop, Corvair in parts, plan to start scratch building in March or April Do not archive ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:51 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith 601 XL complete kit for sale From: afterfxllc@aol.com I am selling the kit I bought a couple of months ago from a guy on this list. There is nothing wrong with the kit and it comes with the nav strobes, wheel pants, dual sticks, electric trim, tools, clecos, primer,the only parts that are started are the rudder which the person I bought it from built at the rudder workshop, and the horz. stab. which hasn't been closed. The kit is packed in a 12 foot table that was turned upside down and made into a box so when you unpack it you will have a great worktable. I am asking $13,000.00 for the whole shooting match and with all the extras that's about $5,000.00 off the zenith price. The kit is located in Louisville, KY. Contact me off list or call me @ 502-644-8123 Jeff ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:03 PM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: I'm visiting Toronto Hi Dave, door is always open ! I may put you to work though! Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. HYPERLINK "mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Thompson Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:27 PM Subject: Zenith-List: I'm visiting Toronto Boys, I will be visiting Toronto, Canada on Business for three weeks from Jan 29th to Feb 16th. I=92m looking for something to do over the two weekends and was hoping one or two of you builders live in the area. I don=92t mind driving an hour or so on either of the weekends to see someone=92s project. If there is someone that is interested in showing off their project, please contact me off list. Thanks, Dave Thompson HYPERLINK "mailto:dave.thompson@verizon.net"dave.thompson@verizon.net Westminster, CA 601XL rudder workshop, Corvair in parts, plan to start scratch building in March or April Do not archive "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Zenith-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com -- 1/21/2007 5:12 PM -- 1/21/2007 5:12 PM ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:56 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Annual Inspections Hi Rich, "FAR 2005, Appendix D to Part 43, Scope and Detail" as applies to your specific aircraft is a great guide and model from which you craft the annual or 100 hour inspection. If you need a closer model I can email you my 3-page inspection document which includes the statement that is applied within the aircraft, engine and prop logs each year. This document is tied in to the back of my POH which makes for a 37 page document for all aspects of the aircraft. A copy is required to be in the aircraft. Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > Of those who are flying with time on their homebuilt (601,701 701, RV or > others), how do you establish your checklist for review during an annual > inspection. > > > Do you use a list established form the FAA, the plans developer, or simply > experience. > > All attaching points? Mechanical movments? > > > Any thoughts? > > > Rich Simmons > > 601XL > > Waiting on Fuse kit > > > *================================================ > > * ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:18 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Electronic Headsets.. This will work: http://tinyurl.com/2kydok Saludos Gary Gower VideoFlyer@aol.com wrote: OK....that link doesn't work either....sorry. If you search for item number 92851 you'll find it. Dave --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 06:41:42 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Annual Inspections Larry, I am in the process of my first conditional inspection, I would like a copy if you don't mind. Thanks Bob Spudis _NYTERMINAT@aol.com_ (mailto:NYTERMINAT@aol.com) In a message dated 1/21/2007 9:11:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, larry@macsmachine.com writes: Hi Rich, "FAR 2005, Appendix D to Part 43, Scope and Detail" as applies to your specific aircraft is a great guide and model from which you craft the annual or 100 hour inspection. If you need a closer model I can email you my 3-page inspection document which includes the statement that is applied within the aircraft, engine and prop logs each year. This document is tied in to the back of my POH which makes for a 37 page document for all aspects of the aircraft. A copy is required to be in the aircraft. Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:51 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: More decisions about buying the Rotax 912 for my 701 In my personal experience, the 701S is a must in airport altitudes over 5,000 ft ASL. With the clutch, there is no shaking... Also, remember the aviation saying, when need to climg over trees, all the extra power you have is welcome... Our last X country about a month ago was to Atizapan, 8,120 ft ASL... Saludos Gary Gower 701 912S 98 hrs Flying from Chapala, Mexico 5,029 ft ASL george.mueller@aurora.org wrote: I received some very helpful feedback from the list on experiences with Rotax vendors, as it is time for me to buy the 912S for my 701. However one response has stopped my in my tracks for now. It was from a 701 flyer that had a 912S who wished he had the 80 HP 912. The advantages of the 80HP were: easier starting, doesn't shake the tail apart (although I have redone all the HS mounts, both on the fuselage and HS in .063), the 100hp only needed if flying floats, the only benefit without floats is you get a bit of a boost on take off (I thought I might add floats down the road, but it is not for sure, I might never get around to it and shortening take off distance in a 701, well how short does it need to be?), the 912 S needs a gearbox clutch and the prop alternatives are slightly more limited, the 80hp has a lower price, slightly less fuel usage, less vibration and somewhat higher reliability. My whole life I have always considered more horsepower to be better, but now I am wondering.....I have the Skyshops FWF so I am committed to the Rotax 912 ( I assume the FWF fits the 912 or the 912s both, I ordered about a year ago and I can't remember if I had to specify which engine, but I think both engines are identical on the outside). What has been the experience of the 80hp flyers vs the 100hp flyers? I have to make a decision fast, as Rotax engine prices are going up $1,000 on Feb 1. George in Milwaukee --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:22 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: More questions Hello List: I am at the point of wiring the first wing on my CH701. I need to get both tooling and crimp on terminals, etc. AS has terminals but I cannot find crimpers. Any one know where I can find one? I noticed in an old post that there is a neat way to hold 601 wings for painting. Is there such a device for the 701 wing? Has anyone ever installed landing lights in the flat part of the wing tip? Thanks all, John Read CH701 in Colorado under lots of snow! ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:18 PM PST US From: "Joe" Subject: Zenith-List: re-fusefage gussets I'm the second owner of my project and the 601 XL I have has the .016 skins in the rear. I replaced the skin on the left rear this week with a skin I purchased from Zenith due to some wrinkling issues. It came .025 in the mail. It went on with no problem and looks better than the right side! Just for the looks, I would recomment the thicker skin. I didn't know there are some builders with long term cracking problems with the .016. I don't remember seeing this problem posted in the past. While the fuselage is still apart, should I replace the otherside with .025 with the intention of keeping this airplane for a very long time? Thanks. Joe Scheibinger ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:20 PM PST US From: Frank Stutzman Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Electronic Headsets.. On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Gig Giacona wrote: > That said I wish I'd worn them through my flying. I didn't start using > them until I got my helicopter rating in '95. I've only been flying for not quite 15 years. One of the things I noticed early on was that all of the old crusty flight instructors who had been seriously flyig for 40 years+ all had hearing aides. I figure the most expensive headset I can get is going to bec heaper than the cheapest hearing aide I could get. Frank Stutzman Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl" Hood River, OR (soon to be Boise, ID) ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:17 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: A new Evans Question From: "David X" I had the coolant changed to Evans before a long cross-country. The oil temp got near 230 over Kansas when there was a 106 surface temperature. I had to back off the throttle a bit to keep it within range. The temperature dropped another 10 degrees after I eased back on the throttle ... so I have no doubt that the collant does its job well enough. -------- Zodiac 601 XL - CZAW Built - Rotax 912S DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89438#89438 ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:58 PM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: More questions The crimper is available from a number of places, one is: http://terminaltown.com/Pages/EclipseCrimpTools.html Google "eclipse crimper" for many more vendors! ----- Original Message ----- From: JohnDRead@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:09 PM Subject: Zenith-List: More questions Hello List: I am at the point of wiring the first wing on my CH701. I need to get both tooling and crimp on terminals, etc. AS has terminals but I cannot find crimpers. Any one know where I can find one? I noticed in an old post that there is a neat way to hold 601 wings for painting. Is there such a device for the 701 wing? Has anyone ever installed landing lights in the flat part of the wing tip? Thanks all, John Read CH701 in Colorado under lots of snow! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 1/20/2007 10:31 PM ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:02 PM PST US From: "Larry Winger" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: More questions Also B&C Specialty Products http://www.bandc.biz/index.html which is recommended by Bob Nuckolls of Aeroelectric Connection. For an excellent article on what to look for in a good crimper, read Bob's article at http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/CrimpTools/crimptools.html. Larry Winger Tustin, CA 601XL scratch builder Tail complete/Flaps ready to rivet ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:31 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Wing Spar Assembly Drawing 6W3, number of hat stiffeners ? From: "TxDave" Page 6-K-0 of the plans shows the dimensions and spar layout for the standard tanks. There are 2 long and 2 short hat stiffeners specified in the plans for the standard tanks. Page 6-W-3 shows the spar configuration for the long range tanks which specifies 2 short and 1 long stiffeners. Note that the location of LNRA#4 is different for the standard tanks. I think ZAC should have put the drawings for the standard tanks on 6-W-3 and the optional long range tanks on page 6-K-0. That seems to be more logical, to me. 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