---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/23/07: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:56 AM - Re: Handheld GPS? (alex_001) 2. 04:08 AM - Grove Gear 601 HD (Clive Richards) 3. 05:39 AM - Clive Richards (Aaron Gustafson) 4. 06:28 AM - Re: More decisions about buying the Rotax 912 for my 701 (Dave Ruddiman) 5. 06:59 AM - Re: Handheld GPS? (LarryMcFarland) 6. 07:41 AM - Re: Handheld GPS? () 7. 08:35 AM - 701 wing mis-information (Steve & Kim Kurash) 8. 09:18 AM - Re: 701 wing mis-information (NYTerminat@aol.com) 9. 09:49 AM - Re: Handheld GPS? (alex_001) 10. 09:55 AM - Re: Flap Gap Stop 601XL (alex_001) 11. 10:49 AM - Re: 701 wing mis-information (Jon Croke) 12. 11:04 AM - Re: Flap Gap Stop 601XL (Gig Giacona) 13. 11:21 AM - Fuel Senders (Again) (DaveG601XL) 14. 11:35 AM - Re: Fuel Senders (Again) (Carlos Sa) 15. 12:12 PM - Re: 701 wing mis-information (Rick R) 16. 12:35 PM - Re: Fuel Senders (Again) (steveadams) 17. 01:04 PM - 701: Elevator Upper Limit Stop? (Tony Bonsell) 18. 01:48 PM - Re: Re: Handheld GPS? () 19. 02:33 PM - Re: Re: Handheld GPS? (Michael Valentine) 20. 03:14 PM - Re: Wing Spar Assembly Drawing 6W3, number of hat stiffeners ? (chris Sinfield) 21. 04:30 PM - Re: Wing Spar Assembly Drawing 6W3, number of hat stiffeners ? (Tim Juhl) 22. 04:39 PM - Re: Re: Handheld GPS? (Juan Vega) 23. 05:36 PM - Re: Re: Wing Spar Assembly Drawing 6W3, number of hat stiffeners ? (Jaybannist@cs.com) 24. 07:51 PM - Re: 701 wing mis-information (NYTerminat@aol.com) 25. 08:16 PM - Re: Handheld GPS? (Brandon Tucker) 26. 11:30 PM - Re: Handheld GPS? (Gary Gower) 27. 11:31 PM - Re: Wing Spar Assembly Drawing 6W3, number of hat stiffeners ? (Ron Lendon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:56:18 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Handheld GPS? From: "alex_001" Hello, I us a garmin 295 and we have here in Germany a very nice guy who modifiys the map and includes all reporting points, microlight and sailplane airstrips also all the circus for the airfield for only about 50 euro. he can do this on all garmins runs absolut trouble free. see in the attachment my 601 with the 295 installed. you can get nice 2nd hand 295 for about 600 euro so thats good value for money. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89698#89698 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00145b_486.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:08:39 AM PST US From: "Clive Richards" Subject: Zenith-List: Grove Gear 601 HD Hi List We are considering fitting grove gear to Rays 601 HD using the existing bungee suspension to reduce weight, anybody done this and can pass on any tips ? Clive Richards Rays G CBDG 62 Hrs do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:27 AM PST US From: "Aaron Gustafson" Subject: Zenith-List: Clive Richards Clive I tried to email you direct but it bounced. email me at agustafson@chartermi.net and I will give you my thoughts on Grove gear. Aaron do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:29 AM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: More decisions about buying the Rotax 912 for my 701 Thanks Gary. I was just curious. Dave do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Gower To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 10:56 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: More decisions about buying the Rotax 912 for my 701 Hello Dave, Very easy, PV is in the Pacific Coast, make an almost horizontal line to Mexico City, Just about 1/3rd of the distance from PV to Mex is Guadalajara, South of Guadalajara (about 30 miles) is Chapala Lake, the biggest natural lake in Mexico. Attached is a pdf file from Google Earth. If you have Google Earth our club is in: 20=BA18'35"N 103=BA09'36"W In the 701 I am about 1:20 hrs from PV depends on wind direction and speed. Saludos Gary Gower Do not archive. Dave Ruddiman wrote: Hey Gary, Where's Chapala compared to someplace I would know? Like Puerto Vallarta. Dave do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Gower To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 6:44 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: More decisions about buying the Rotax 912 for my 701 In my personal experience, the 701S is a must in airport altitudes over 5,000 ft ASL. With the clutch, there is no shaking... Also, remember the aviation saying, when need to climg over trees, all the extra power you have is welcome... Our last X country about a month ago was to Atizapan, 8,120 ft ASL... Saludos Gary Gower 701 912S 98 hrs Flying from Chapala, Mexico 5,029 ft ASL george.mueller@aurora.org wrote: I received some very helpful feedback from the list on experiences with Rotax vendors, as it is time for me to buy the 912S for my 701. However one response has stopped my in my tracks for now. It was from a 701 flyer that had a 912S who wished he had the 80 HP 912. The advantages of the 80HP were: easier starting, doesn't shake the tail apart (although I have redone all the HS mounts, both on the fuselage and HS in .063), the 100hp only needed if flying floats, the only benefit without floats is you get a bit of a boost on take off (I thought I might add floats down the road, but it is not for sure, I might never get around to it and shortening take off distance in a 701, well how short does it need to be?), the 912 S needs a gearbox clutch and the prop alternatives are slightly more limited, the 80hp has a lower price, slightly less fuel usage, less vibration and somewhat higher reliability. My whole life I have always considered more horsepower to be better, but now I am ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:26 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Handheld GPS? Lind, I'm flying a 601HDS and use a Lowrance Airmap 500 in the mid west US where it's essentially plains country. I'd recommend the Lowrance 600 over the 2000 because of its size. Much better fit to the cockpit area. I mounted mine on the stick so it sets between and above the grips. For your area, the 600 color indicated ground elevation warning would be a plus. See link, http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/airmap500mt2.gif Good luck, Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Lind, Per wrote: > > Hi all of you > > I live in the North of Norway and Im building a CH601UL, a 49% kit > from Czeck Aircraft with a Rotax 912ULS. I have traditional, analogue > instruments, Garmin SL40 transceiver, and Garmin GTX127 transponder. > My plan is to lift her in the air in May and just now I need an advice > what type of GPS it is best to buy. I can see that the Lowrance Airmap > 2000C is much cheaper than Garmin 296 and AvMap IV, but now I need an > advice. > > Best regards > > Per Lind > > Norway > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:05 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Handheld GPS? I have absolutely no experience flying anywhere in Europe so I have no clue as to whether a regional radar summary , traffic avoidance systems, localizer displays etc are available to you. Those are the features that distinguish a Garmin GPS from the Lowrance Airmap 2000C. The Garmin would certainly interface more easily with the Garmin equipment you already have but again, I have no idea if that is important to you or not. What I can tell you is this, If you simply want a large bright color screen display of GPS moving map and course data with an easily accessed airport database, the Lowrance is a much better deal. I have been told it can be linked to a wing leveler or autopliot to steer the course for you enroute on a X-C but I have not actually seen that or done that. In the USA the Jeppeson database for Lowrance includes terrain elevation data which can be clearly displayed on the the lower segment of a split screen. Hope that helps, Ed Moody II Rayne, LA 601XL/Jabiru/top skins ---- "Lind wrote: > Hi all of you > > I live in the North of Norway and I'm building a CH601UL, a 49% kit from > Czeck Aircraft with a Rotax 912ULS. I have traditional, analogue > instruments, Garmin SL40 transceiver, and Garmin GTX127 transponder. My > plan is to lift her in the air in May and just now I need an advice what > type of GPS it is best to buy. I can see that the Lowrance Airmap 2000C > is much cheaper than Garmin 296 and AvMap IV, but now I need an advice. > > > > Best regards > > > > Per Lind > > Norway > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:34 AM PST US From: "Steve & Kim Kurash" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 wing mis-information Zed Smith has missed only one step. In procedures I received from Nick Heintz recently, you must also level the aircraft fore and aft with a spirit level on the upper longerons, also achieved by altering the nose wheel tire pressure. Otherwise a very thoughtful and accurate post Zed. Zed writes: No, you aren't missing anything.......both wings DO go on the aircraft. Others will probably have a faster, slicker, better, easier, etc, etc, way; here goes: First thing is to make sure the fuselage is LEVEL side-to-side. Tire pressure. (more follows) Steve Kurash 701 scratch builder in Costa Rica Fuselage 99% completed including wings and empenage. Some day I will make the powerplant decision! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:18:05 AM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 wing mis-information Steve Not on the upper longerons, there is an A-E reference line that you must create to level the fuselage, see 7-F-2. The upper longerons have a slight curve to them when installed on the side skins. You also might want to think about blocking the fuselage level in all axis, the tires and spring/ bungee gear will move as you put weight on them. Why chase the level with a moving fuselage? Bob Spudis N701ZX/912S/100 hrs In a message dated 1/23/2007 11:37:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, stevekimk@gmail.com writes: Zed Smith has missed only one step. In procedures I received from Nick Heintz recently, you must also level the aircraft fore and aft with a spirit level on the upper longerons, also achieved by altering the nose wheel tire pressure. Otherwise a very thoughtful and accurate post Zed. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:22 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Handheld GPS? From: "alex_001" What I can tell you is this, If you simply want a large bright color screen display of GPS moving map and course data with an easily accessed airport database, the Lowrance is a much better deal. I have been told it can be linked to a wing leveler or autopliot to steer the course for you enroute on a X-C but I have not actually seen that or done that. In the USA the Jeppeson database for Lowrance includes terrain elevation data which can be clearly displayed on the the lower segment of a split screen. the garmin 296 or abouve 396/496 will do the same. for my next xl coming in may i have the 295 linked to the true trak AP so it can steer to the route on GPS but this could be also done with a lowrance. surtenly if you buy a 600c in the US is is very good value for money i just find the shape size a bit difficult to fit to the panel. i just wanted to point out in my earlier mail that there is a possibility to modify the garmin hand held gps here in europe to include some more infos such as airfield circus, obsticals such as windmills (we have far to many of these here) compulsery reporting points etc. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89777#89777 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:45 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Flap Gap Stop 601XL From: "alex_001" hello, could any of you be so kind and let me have a look at the drawing or any pics as i am looking for a flap gap seal for my xl i am flying a xl rtf from CZAW thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89779#89779 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:49:37 AM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 wing mis-information Hi all, I am seeking a little clarification to the 701 wing rigging issue... I dont understand the need for all of this fuselage leveling... I agree with Zed's procedure (and have used it quite successfully) of wing rigging.... notice that all adjusting is done in reference to the fuselage itself or the opposite wing.. nothing I noticed entails rigging in relationship to 'level' with the earth. You could complete Zed's procedure with the fuse sitting on a sloped parking ramp.... kinda similar to the issue of making 'sure' your table is level before building your wings!! (Does it make a difference?) So - I am simply looking for understanding on how leveling helps the wing rigging process... inquiring minds want to know! Thanks! Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: NYTerminat@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 11:17 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 wing mis-information Steve Not on the upper longerons, there is an A-E reference line that you must create to level the fuselage, see 7-F-2. The upper longerons have a slight curve to them when installed on the side skins. You also might want to think about blocking the fuselage level in all axis, the tires and spring/ bungee gear will move as you put weight on them. Why chase the level with a moving fuselage? Bob Spudis N701ZX/912S/100 hrs In a message dated 1/23/2007 11:37:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, stevekimk@gmail.com writes: Zed Smith has missed only one step. In procedures I received from Nick Heintz recently, you must also level the aircraft fore and aft with a spirit level on the upper longerons, also achieved by altering the nose wheel tire pressure. Otherwise a very thoughtful and accurate post Zed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 1/23/2007 11:04 AM ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:17 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Flap Gap Stop 601XL From: "Gig Giacona" This isn't a seal it is a stop. Just a small peice to stop metal to metal contact when the flaps are in the up position. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89809#89809 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:02 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel Senders (Again) From: "DaveG601XL" It was not until after I cut the fuel sender holes in the ends my 601XL fuel tanks that I saw all the discussion archived a while back about people preferring to top mount them. After reviewing what was in the archives, what I did not see was anybody complaining of problems with the end mounted senders. Has anybody had any issues with leaks or sender replacement that would make me want to re-consider placing them on the end per the plans? Any hints on making sure they seal right the first time? Thanks, Dave G. -------- David Gallagher 601 XL, tail and wings completed Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89816#89816 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:45 AM PST US From: "Carlos Sa" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Senders (Again) Dave, I installed my fuel senders on the sides as well. Tested for a day or so full of water, then tested with air and balloons for another day. No issues (except for ensuring the balloons and other exit points weren't leaking). Note that I am not flying yet. Carlos CH601-HD, plans Montreal, Canada On 23/01/07, DaveG601XL wrote: > > > It was not until after I cut the fuel sender holes in the ends my 601XL > fuel tanks that I saw all the discussion archived a while back about people > preferring to top mount them. After reviewing what was in the archives, > what I did not see was anybody complaining of problems with the end mounted > senders. > > Has anybody had any issues with leaks or sender replacement that would > make me want to re-consider placing them on the end per the plans? > > Any hints on making sure they seal right the first time? > > Thanks, > > Dave G. > > -------- > David Gallagher > 601 XL, tail and wings completed > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:57 PM PST US From: Rick R Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 wing mis-information I'm with you Jon. I studied this long and hard and I visualized a big 12' triangle X 2. No measurements at all dependent on mother earth. I even installed mine with the nose gear on a wheel dolly. No effect to the triangle...I mean airplane at all. Jon Croke wrote: Hi all, I am seeking a little clarification to the 701 wing rigging issue... I dont understand the need for all of this fuselage leveling... I agree with Zed's procedure (and have used it quite successfully) of wing rigging.... notice that all adjusting is done in reference to the fuselage itself or the opposite wing.. nothing I noticed entails rigging in relationship to 'level' with the earth. You could complete Zed's procedure with the fuse sitting on a sloped parking ramp.... kinda similar to the issue of making 'sure' your table is level before building your wings!! (Does it make a difference?) So - I am simply looking for understanding on how leveling helps the wing rigging process... inquiring minds want to know! Thanks! Jon Rick Sharpsburg, GA. USA http://www.n701rr.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:25 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel Senders (Again) From: "steveadams" On my CH640 I have the senders mounted on the ends. The first time I filled the tanks with 100LL, there was a very slow leak at one of the bolts holding the senders in. I put a little seal lube on the bolt and tightened it back up. No more leaks in almost 2 years and 330 hrs. I did have to replace a bad sender after about 50 hours which wasn't a lot of fun through the little access hole, but it wasn't a big deal. Steve Adams N621J Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89842#89842 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:35 PM PST US From: "Tony Bonsell" Subject: Zenith-List: 701: Elevator Upper Limit Stop? Dudes! I put my tail together on my 701. Looks cool! Wish I'd heard about those .040 mounts before I riveted my stab. Oh well. Anyway, I'm trying to figure out how the elevator upper stop works. Nothing in the plans. It just seems to interfere with the gusset eventually. There is no 701 photo guide for this, but the 801 guide shows an added extrusion to perform the stop. How did you guys do it? ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:48:02 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Handheld GPS? The objection to the size and shape of the Lowrance 2000C has come up a few times in discussion. Its size and shape are why it is easier to read... it has a larger screen. It does not have to fit in the panel, in fact I don't plan to put mine in the panel. I hope the aircraft outlives the GPS unit so putting it into the panel invites a problem if and when I change later on. One of the benefits of a handheld unit like the 2000C is that it switches easily to land mode or marine mode making it very useful in the car or boat. I plan to mount mine on a RAM mouint system on the center console of the 601XL (dual sticks) in the area between the armrest and the panel. It will come out and come home with me between flights just as it does currently in my ultra-not-so-light. For me, bigger is better....... or at least easier to read. Ed ---- alex_001 wrote: > the garmin 296 or abouve 396/496 will do the same. > for my next xl coming in may i have the 295 linked to the true trak AP so it can steer to the route on GPS but this could be also done with a lowrance. > surtenly if you buy a 600c in the US is is very good value for money > i just find the shape size a bit difficult to fit to the panel. > i just wanted to point out in my earlier mail that there is a possibility to modify the garmin hand held gps here in europe to include some more infos such as airfield circus, obsticals such as windmills (we have far to many of these here) compulsery reporting points etc. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:33:39 PM PST US From: "Michael Valentine" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Handheld GPS? Big screen is always better, but the GPS is a computer. You just better hope it outlives your first wash and wax! Michael in NH - has almost beat the second wing tip into submission On 1/23/07, dredmoody@cox.net wrote: > > I hope the aircraft outlives the GPS unit ... > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:14:36 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Wing Spar Assembly Drawing 6W3, number of hat stiffeners ? From: "chris Sinfield" hi all When I got the kit I also ordered the long range tanks. When my spars were unwrapped they had the extra hat stiffner as per the Std fuel tanks. I spoke to Zenith and they said to just cut the extra one off. Chris. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89889#89889 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:11 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Wing Spar Assembly Drawing 6W3, number of hat stiffeners ? From: "Tim Juhl" Chris - I'm sure Zenith told you to cut off the extra "L" not a hat stiffener. 15 gallon tanks take up more room in the leading edge so nose rib # 4 is mounted further outboard. I had the same question as to what to do about removing it and they said cutting it off was better than drilling out the rivets holding it on. It gives the spar a little extra strength. The hat stiffeners in question are something else entirely, and my factory built spar has only three. The outboard one shown on the drawing is absent. Tim -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89911#89911 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:04 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Handheld GPS? I have my Lowrance slaved to my Dynon, and it works great! Big bold picture and easy to use, very intuative. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: alex_001 >Sent: Jan 23, 2007 12:48 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Handheld GPS? > > >What I can tell you is this, If you simply want a large bright color screen display of GPS moving map and course data with an easily accessed airport database, the Lowrance is a much better deal. I have been told it can be linked to a wing leveler or autopliot to steer the course for you enroute on a X-C but I have not actually seen that or done that. In the USA the Jeppeson database for Lowrance includes terrain elevation data which can be clearly displayed on the the lower segment of a split screen. > >the garmin 296 or abouve 396/496 will do the same. >for my next xl coming in may i have the 295 linked to the true trak AP so it can steer to the route on GPS but this could be also done with a lowrance. >surtenly if you buy a 600c in the US is is very good value for money >i just find the shape size a bit difficult to fit to the panel. >i just wanted to point out in my earlier mail that there is a possibility to modify the garmin hand held gps here in europe to include some more infos such as airfield circus, obsticals such as windmills (we have far to many of these here) compulsery reporting points etc. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89777#89777 > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:06 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Wing Spar Assembly Drawing 6W3, number of hat stiffeners ? Chris, That's strange. My spars (for long range tanks) came without the "extra" hat channel, but they did have an extra vertical angle (for nose ribs) that had to be cut off. Jay in Dallas "chris Sinfield" wrote: > >hi all >When I got the kit I also ordered the long range tanks. When my spars were unwrapped they had the extra hat stiffner as per the Std fuel tanks. > >I spoke to Zenith and they said to just cut the extra one off. >Chris. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89889#89889 > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:55 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 wing mis-information Jon, I suppose you are right as far as setting the wings. While I did level my fuselage, I don't regret it since it was easy to make sure there wasn't any twist to the wings when installing the rear struts and it made it easy to rig the angles on the flaperons. Bob Spudis N701ZX In a message dated 1/23/2007 1:51:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Jon@joncroke.com writes: Hi all, I am seeking a little clarification to the 701 wing rigging issue... I dont understand the need for all of this fuselage leveling... I agree with Zed's procedure (and have used it quite successfully) of wing rigging.... notice that all adjusting is done in reference to the fuselage itself or the opposite wing.. nothing I noticed entails rigging in relationship to 'level' with the earth. You could complete Zed's procedure with the fuse sitting on a sloped parking ramp.... kinda similar to the issue of making 'sure' your table is level before building your wings!! (Does it make a difference?) So - I am simply looking for understanding on how leveling helps the wing rigging process... inquiring minds want to know! Thanks! Jon ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:26 PM PST US From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Handheld GPS? I mounted the Lowrance Airmap 1000 on my panel. See link below: http://mcgirt.net/~ars2006/ars2006/Desktop-Pages/Image0.html There are a whole lot more functions to the unit that I never use, and am too lazy / busy to read the manual. The menu functions are fairly intuitive, making it easy to use straight out of the box. I have dropped mine a couple of times, and it hasn't missed a beat. I would get a used one off of ebay. There are usually several for sale at any given time. http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&satitle=lowrance+airmap VR/ Brandon 601 HDS / TD / Corvair 55 hours Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:30:44 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Handheld GPS? Hello Lind, My personal experience, as out of USA GPS user... I have a Garmin 295 (Dad's gift 2 years ago), We try to use Garmin here, because most of the pilots (99%) here has that brand, that simple. the other users are on their own, if you undertand that, Given this, there is always an "expert" around that will help us updating and "charge" the way points and airports... Yes, outside USA the database is very limited, we need to put most everythng in, also most of the cities have diferent names (?). Forget about the modern ones with "weather" this bonus is only available in USA. BUT on the other side of the coin, the mountain avoidance ones ("red mountain with a cross")... sure does work perfectly, at least here in Mexico, Saved a local pilot life in a sudden weather change (fog) two weeks ago. He was realy lucky and cold blooded, not to spin or crash... Yes, plain old over confidence but made it. Was flying an RV 6 with his kid, has double more gray hair and experience now... Another hint,,,, Search around local pilots, some rich ones, change sooner or later to the newer GPS, buy them the second hand one, sometimes like new. but will lots of waypoints already in. Here we store all the waypoints in a Excel page. A local pilot colects the data we all send him and keeps us updated. Hope this helps. Saludos Gary Gower Lind, I'm flying a 601HDS and use a Lowrance Airmap 500 in the mid west US where it's essentially plains country. I'd recommend the Lowrance 600 over the 2000 because of its size. Much better fit to the cockpit area. I mounted mine on the stick so it sets between and above the grips. For your area, the 600 color indicated ground elevation warning would be a plus. See link, http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/airmap500mt2.gif Good luck, Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Lind, Per wrote: > > Hi all of you > > I live in the North of Norway and Im building a CH601UL, a 49% kit > from Czeck Aircraft with a Rotax 912ULS. I have traditional, analogue > instruments, Garmin SL40 transceiver, and Garmin GTX127 transponder. > My plan is to lift her in the air in May and just now I need an advice > what type of GPS it is best to buy. I can see that the Lowrance Airmap > 2000C is much cheaper than Garmin 296 and AvMap IV, but now I need an > advice. > > Best regards > > Per Lind > > Norway > > * > > > * --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:24 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Wing Spar Assembly Drawing 6W3, number of hat stiffeners ? From: "Ron Lendon" I called Zenith about this as I was making my spars. I have the 15 gal tanks and 4 hat sections per the 6K0 plans. I just makes sense to have the added strength and Zenith agreed. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90022#90022 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.