---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/25/07: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:06 AM - Re: Cutting out trim tab? (Clyde Barcus) 2. 06:03 AM - Re: Cutting out trim tab? (Charles Wacker) 3. 06:28 AM - Re: Cutting out trim tab? (Dino Bortolin) 4. 06:33 AM - Re: Cutting out trim tab? (Wade Jones) 5. 06:50 AM - Re: Cutting out trim tab? (Jaybannist@cs.com) 6. 08:02 AM - instruments for sale (Joe) 7. 08:05 AM - Filling in the rib ends? (Dr. Andrew Elliott) 8. 08:19 AM - 701 One-piece Struts (Zed Smith) 9. 08:42 AM - Re: Cutting out trim tab? () 10. 09:18 AM - Re: 701 elevator upper limit stop (David Austin) 11. 10:00 AM - Re: Filling in the rib ends? (Juan Vega) 12. 01:20 PM - Elevator trim angle? XL (Jon Burns) 13. 01:20 PM - Re: Filling in the rib ends? (David Downey) 14. 04:24 PM - Re: zenith pitot tube V's Dynon tube (Gig Giacona) 15. 05:54 PM - Elevator servo trim placement 601xl (ernie) 16. 05:54 PM - lift strut fairings () 17. 07:17 PM - Re: Cutting out trim tab? (Ron Lendon) 18. 07:21 PM - Re: Elevator servo trim placement 601xl (Jaybannist@cs.com) 19. 07:44 PM - Re: zenith pitot tube V's Dynon tube (Ron Lendon) 20. 08:47 PM - Re: lift strut fairings (ZodieRocket) 21. 09:58 PM - Nosebowl Corvair (Allan Barton) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:06:21 AM PST US From: "Clyde Barcus" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cutting out trim tab? I drilled the corners and cut it with a dremel tool using the small cut-off wheel, it took less than 15 minutes. Clyde 601 XL ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr. Andrew Elliott To: Zenith-List Digest Server Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:53 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Cutting out trim tab? Gang: I'm at the point where I need to cut out the elevator trim tab from a built elevator. I have all the lines carefully marked and would like to hear some technique suggestions for making these cuts. My own idea is to split or cut out the trailing edge between the end lines (with a band saw?), cut the end lines with shears, drill out the aft two middle-rib rivets, and finally cut the top and bottom spanwise lines by scoring with the laminate knife and breaking out the sections. Other ideas? Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ N601GE (reserved) 601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building... ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:11 AM PST US From: "Charles Wacker" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cutting out trim tab? I did it Paul's way and had excellent results. Using a file to home into the final size yeilded a perfect fit. Chuck Wacker N601XL Quick Build >From: Paul Mulwitz >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cutting out trim tab? >Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:43:33 -0800 > > > >Hi Andy, > >Its been a while since I did that one, but here is what I think I would do >now. > >First, stop drill the inside corners with something like a 1/4" drill. >Then I would use a fairly large step drill - perhaps 3/4" or 7/8" to make a >starting point for the shears. I would drill this in the waste material >perhaps 1" from the final cut line. Then it is a matter of cutting with >the shears. The first cuts would leave about 1/4" to the final cut line, >and then I would work my way closer to the final line until I was there. >Perhaps the last few thousandths in some areas would be done with a file >rather than the shears. Clean up the edges with a smooth file and it is >done. > >Paul >XL fuselage > > >At 07:53 PM 1/24/2007, you wrote: >>Gang: >> >>I'm at the point where I need to cut out the elevator trim tab from a >>built elevator. I have all the lines carefully marked and would like to >>hear some technique suggestions for making these cuts. >> >>My own idea is to split or cut out the trailing edge between the end lines >>(with a band saw?), cut the end lines with shears, drill out the aft two >>middle-rib rivets, and finally cut the top and bottom spanwise lines by >>scoring with the laminate knife and breaking out the sections. >> >>Other ideas? >> >>Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ >>N601GE (reserved) >>601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building... > >- > > _________________________________________________________________ something more. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:01 AM PST US From: "Dino Bortolin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cutting out trim tab? I did mine the same way just a few weeks ago. It worked very well. I used a small router with a straight bit to cut away the trailing edge and seperate the top and bottom 'skins'. Dino Bortolin On 1/24/07, Dr. Andrew Elliott wrote: > Gang: > > I'm at the point where I need to cut out the elevator trim tab from a built > elevator. I have all the lines carefully marked and would like to hear some > technique suggestions for making these cuts. > > My own idea is to split or cut out the trailing edge between the end lines > (with a band saw?), cut the end lines with shears, drill out the aft two > middle-rib rivets, and finally cut the top and bottom spanwise lines by > scoring with the laminate knife and breaking out the sections. > > Other ideas? > > Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ > N601GE (reserved) > 601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building... > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:15 AM PST US From: "Wade Jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cutting out trim tab? I also had good results doing it as Paul described . Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Wacker" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 8:02 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cutting out trim tab? > > I did it Paul's way and had excellent results. Using a file to home into > the final size yeilded a perfect fit. > > Chuck Wacker > N601XL Quick Build > > >>From: Paul Mulwitz >>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cutting out trim tab? >>Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:43:33 -0800 >> >> >> >>Hi Andy, >> >>Its been a while since I did that one, but here is what I think I would do >>now. >> >>First, stop drill the inside corners with something like a 1/4" drill. >>Then I would use a fairly large step drill - perhaps 3/4" or 7/8" to make >>a starting point for the shears. I would drill this in the waste material >>perhaps 1" from the final cut line. Then it is a matter of cutting with >>the shears. The first cuts would leave about 1/4" to the final cut line, >>and then I would work my way closer to the final line until I was there. >>Perhaps the last few thousandths in some areas would be done with a file >>rather than the shears. Clean up the edges with a smooth file and it is >>done. >> >>Paul >>XL fuselage >> >> >> >>At 07:53 PM 1/24/2007, you wrote: >>>Gang: >>> >>>I'm at the point where I need to cut out the elevator trim tab from a >>>built elevator. I have all the lines carefully marked and would like to >>>hear some technique suggestions for making these cuts. >>> >>>My own idea is to split or cut out the trailing edge between the end >>>lines (with a band saw?), cut the end lines with shears, drill out the >>>aft two middle-rib rivets, and finally cut the top and bottom spanwise >>>lines by scoring with the laminate knife and breaking out the sections. >>> >>>Other ideas? >>> >>>Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ >>>N601GE (reserved) >>>601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building... >> >>- >> >> >> >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > something more. > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:00 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cutting out trim tab? Andy, I used a combination approach. I drilled the relief holes at the corners, made the cuts perpendicular to the trailing edge with a Dremel cut-off wheel, and the long cuts with shears as described by Paul M. Jay in Dallas Do not archive >>>At 07:53 PM 1/24/2007, you wrote: >>>>Gang: >>>> >>>>I'm at the point where I need to cut out the elevator trim tab from a >>>>built elevator. I have all the lines carefully marked and would like to >>>>hear some technique suggestions for making these cuts. >>>> >>>>My own idea is to split or cut out the trailing edge between the end >>>>lines (with a band saw?), cut the end lines with shears, drill out the >>>>aft two middle-rib rivets, and finally cut the top and bottom spanwise >>>>lines by scoring with the laminate knife and breaking out the sections. >>>> >>>>Other ideas? >>>> >>>>Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ >>>>N601GE (reserved) >>>>601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building... >>> >>>- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> something more. >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:24 AM PST US From: "Joe" Subject: Zenith-List: instruments for sale Guys, I have decided to go in a different direction for instruments for my 601 XL. I have decided to sell my entire instrument panel with instruments, radios, etc. It's finished and looks great. It has the standard 6 pack of flight instruments with yellow tag gyros, the DG has autopilot coupling, electric turn & bank, 2 trim indicators, compass, suction, Westech engine instruments, Jabiru style rpm with hour meter new, circut breakers, adjustable air inlet controls, intercom, King KX 170A backup nav-com with head, Narco transponder, Artex 110-4 ELT, Sigtronics headset like new, master switches, gyro's plumbed with filters, encoder, Painted and labled panel in very light grey. All mounting holes countersunk. I will take your blank panel in trade. If anyone is interested, please contact me offline at backstagelive@gmail.com or call me at 920-237-1450. Joe ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:27 AM PST US From: "Dr. Andrew Elliott" Subject: Zenith-List: Filling in the rib ends? Gang: Another question about techniques - What are people doing to fill in the spaces at the aft ends of the end ribs on the various control surfaces? Similar applies to the empty spaces in the inboard ends? I have been variously thinking of wood blocks, plastic plugs, etc. for the ends, and false ribs for the centerline spaces on the rudder and elevator. Other ideas? Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ N601GE (reserved) 601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building... ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:05 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: 701 One-piece Struts Tommy, The one-piece struts should be much easier. Have fun. Regards, Zed do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:20 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cutting out trim tab? I did like Paul except that I drilled a #20 hole at each corner rather than a 1/4" hole. Then I also use a good new hacksaw to cut about 3/8" inside the cut line at the trailing edge on both sides. That makes it much easier to cut around the trailing edge with the snips. Like Paul described, I used a large step drill inside the waste area to get started with the shears..... first cut about 1/4" inside the line, then a final cut to "save the line". Final finish with file and emory cloth. Ed Moody II ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:32 AM PST US From: "David Austin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 elevator upper limit stop Re limit stop, up here in the frozen north (Canada) the inspectors will not pass unless stops are there. Reason is that they don't want the rudder or elevator cables to suffer the strain at the limits, for instance, if you forgot to put rudder and elevator locks on when parked. Although the 601 plans did not have stops for either, I made and installed my own design. Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII ----- Original Message ----- From: NYTerminat@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:28 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 elevator upper limit stop Same for me. Bob Spudis N701ZX/CH-701 100hrs do not archive In a message dated 1/24/2007 8:15:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jpspencer@cableone.net writes: I didn't find an upper limit stop either but in my plane so far the back of the control stick against the edge of the seat has worked ok. Joe 701 69 hours ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:00:11 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Filling in the rib ends? all, the other option that works just as well, is AMD's design of a trim tab which does not require a cut. The tab runs from inboard edge to entire length of the port elevator. by 3 inches wide. It is secured by the paino hinge, and is frankly a lot easier. I put in the orignal cut in one, then found the AMD option. I would recommend the later. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: "Dr. Andrew Elliott" >Sent: Jan 25, 2007 11:01 AM >To: Zenith-List Digest Server >Subject: Zenith-List: Filling in the rib ends? > >Gang: > >Another question about techniques - What are people doing to fill in the spaces at the aft ends of the end ribs on the various control surfaces? Similar applies to the empty spaces in the inboard ends? I have been variously thinking of wood blocks, plastic plugs, etc. for the ends, and false ribs for the centerline spaces on the rudder and elevator. Other ideas? > >Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ >N601GE (reserved) >601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building... ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:24 PM PST US From: "Jon Burns" Subject: Zenith-List: Elevator trim angle? XL I see on the blueprints that Zenith calls for 20 degrees one way and 40 degrees the other for the trim on the 601 XL. How is that measured? How I have it now, there is exactly the same travel up and down from neutral, and neutral is dead center. Is there supposed to be more travel one way over the other? Thanks, Jon Burns Little Elm, TX _________________________________________________________________ FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo buy and sell with people you know ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:24 PM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Filling in the rib ends? ..and that is precisely the configuraton in the latest revision of the plans for the 601XL! all, the other option that works just as well, is AMD's design of a trim tab which does not require a cut. The tab runs from inboard edge to entire length of the port elevator. by 3 inches wide. It is secured by the paino hinge, and is frankly a lot easier. I put in the orignal cut in one, then found the AMD option. I would recommend the later. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: "Dr. Andrew Elliott" >Sent: Jan 25, 2007 11:01 AM >To: Zenith-List Digest Server >Subject: Zenith-List: Filling in the rib ends? > >Gang: > >Another question about techniques - What are people doing to fill in the spaces at the aft ends of the end ribs on the various control surfaces? Similar applies to the empty spaces in the inboard ends? I have been variously thinking of wood blocks, plastic plugs, etc. for the ends, and false ribs for the centerline spaces on the rudder and elevator. Other ideas? > >Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ >N601GE (reserved) >601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building... Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:22 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: zenith pitot tube V's Dynon tube From: "Gig Giacona" I do;t suppose you have a photo of the standoff do you? Ron Lendon wrote: > Just made my Dynon Pitot standoff. It will be permanently mounted on the left wing when riveting the wing skin. The pluming will be accessible through the wing locker. The Dynon Pitot won't be in place till assembly at the Airport. Still going to have to be careful moving that wing around though. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90460#90460 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:02 PM PST US From: ernie Subject: Zenith-List: Elevator servo trim placement 601xl Hello, I am installing my elevator trim servo. I am finding that it does not line up well with access hole. The measurements look the same as on the prints (cut out and predrill holes from ZAC). I am thinking that it is done this way to center the control arm of the servo as close to the center of the elevator trim as possible without being to close to the rib. (does this sound reasonable?). One of the photo guides pages shows the servo off center too, so I am thinking everything must be right and it is the way it is. Do not archive ; ( ernie ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:10 PM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: lift strut fairings anybody know where to get ready made aluminum lift strut fairings? thx Joe ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:50 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Cutting out trim tab? From: "Ron Lendon" Here's a link to how I did mine: or -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90506#90506 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:05 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Elevator servo trim placement 601xl Ernie, I also had a problem with this. It seems that the servo that the photo guide was based on is not the one you got with your kit. It has to do with which side is up, because the actuator is not on the centerline of the body of the servo. The access hole location is based on a servo with the actuator offset to the opposite side. I called ZAC and they admitted the error (which it appears they have not corrected). I cut an oversize hole to be able to readily access the servo and ZAC sent me an oversize coverplate to make up the difference. Jay in Dallas ernie wrote: >Hello, > >I am installing my elevator trim servo. I am finding that it does not line >up well with access hole. The measurements look >the same as on the prints (cut out and predrill holes from ZAC). >I am thinking that it is done this way to center the control arm of the >servo as close to the center of the elevator trim as possible >without being to close to the rib. (does this sound reasonable?). One of the >photo guides pages shows the servo off center too, so I am thinking >everything must be right and it is the way it is. > >Do not archive ; ( > >ernie > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:00 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: zenith pitot tube V's Dynon tube From: "Ron Lendon" Sure do look here: [/url]http://tinyurl.com/yqtgeq[url] or [/url]http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=rlendon&project=113&category=0&log=27206&row=7[url][/url] -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90511#90511 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:07 PM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: lift strut fairings I will be placing a 2000 lb order soon for lift strut material. I also have 1000lbs of float keels for those who need to replace them some day, I will always have them in stock so there is no need to store them for a later date, when you need them they will be here. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. HYPERLINK "mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jpspencer@cableone.net Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 8:54 PM Subject: Zenith-List: lift strut fairings anybody know where to get ready made aluminum lift strut fairings? thx Joe "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Zenith-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com -- 1/25/2007 3:32 PM -- 1/25/2007 3:32 PM ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:36 PM PST US From: "Allan Barton" Subject: Zenith-List: Nosebowl Corvair Hi all I am looking to buy a nosebowl for a Zodiac 601 XL / Corvair Does anyone have one for sale and is willing to ship it to Australia I will pay all costs Please email me off list so you dont end up like me. info@cumminsspinners.com Fly Safe Allan Cummins Spinners www.cumminsspinners.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.