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1. 01:19 AM - Re: Filling in the rib ends? (TxDave)
2. 02:19 AM - Re: Aileron stop (Martin Pohl)
3. 05:24 AM - Re: Re: Filling in the rib ends? (Gary Boothe)
4. 05:51 AM - Elevator servo trim placement 601xl (Maarten Versteeg)
5. 06:11 AM - Re: Elevator servo trim placement 601xl (Charles Wacker)
6. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Filling in the rib ends? ()
7. 08:57 AM - Re: Aileron stop (Tim Juhl)
8. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: Filling in the rib ends? (David Austin)
9. 10:16 AM - Re: lift strut fairings (Chris Lewis)
10. 10:31 AM - Re: Aileron stop (Martin Pohl)
11. 10:58 AM - CH-801 Cowling/Crossflow (Jay Caldwell)
12. 11:05 AM - Re: Handheld GPS? (Neitzel)
13. 11:41 AM - 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll (Scott Laughlin)
14. 12:28 PM - Re: 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll (Craig Payne)
15. 01:11 PM - Builder support for the 601HD or HDS (Ron Lalonde)
16. 01:30 PM - Re: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS (Jeff)
17. 01:37 PM - Re: 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll (Gig Giacona)
18. 01:40 PM - Re: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS (Gig Giacona)
19. 01:43 PM - Re: 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll (Tim Juhl)
20. 02:02 PM - Re: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS (Jim Hoak)
21. 02:25 PM - Re: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS (ZodieRocket)
22. 03:51 PM - Re: 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll (Gary Boothe)
23. 03:58 PM - Re: Re: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS (Ron Lalonde)
24. 05:20 PM - Re: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS (Jeff)
25. 05:58 PM - Re: 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll (LarryMcFarland)
26. 06:13 PM - Re: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS (LarryMcFarland)
27. 06:24 PM - Re: 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll (leinad)
28. 06:32 PM - Re: CH-801 Cowling/Crossflow (n801bh@netzero.com)
29. 08:47 PM - Re: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS (Craig Payne)
30. 10:33 PM - 601XL Wing Flutter (JAPhillipsGA@AOL.COM)
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| Subject: | Re: Filling in the rib ends? |
Hey Andy,
I'm assuming you're talking about the small gap left at the trailing edge of the
control surfaces. If so, when I first started building I worried what to do
about it. I went to a hanger and looked at production aircraft (Cessna, Beech,
etc). I noticed they also had gaps between the aft end of the various control
surface ribs and the trailing edge skin. Even a multi-million dollar Pilatus
PC-12 had gaps. Attached is a photo of a Cessna 150 flap showing a pretty large
gap.
If I misunderstood what you were describing, then ...never mind.
Dave Clay
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron stop |
Hi Mike and everybody else
I am also wondering how to install the aileron stop (CZAW kit). I do have two parts
6W10-4 (see picture below) but don't know how and where to install. The drawing
shows 6W10-4 as a different looking part...
Looking forward to any help :D .
Martin
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Zodiac XL QBK
8645 Jona, Switzerland
www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL
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| Subject: | Re: Filling in the rib ends? |
The gap is there for a reason. It simply allows moisture to drain.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TxDave
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 1:18 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Filling in the rib ends?
Hey Andy,
I'm assuming you're talking about the small gap left at the trailing edge of
the control surfaces. If so, when I first started building I worried what to
do about it. I went to a hanger and looked at production aircraft (Cessna,
Beech, etc). I noticed they also had gaps between the aft end of the various
control surface ribs and the trailing edge skin. Even a multi-million dollar
Pilatus PC-12 had gaps. Attached is a photo of a Cessna 150 flap showing a
pretty large gap.
If I misunderstood what you were describing, then ...never mind.
Dave Clay
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| Subject: | Elevator servo trim placement 601xl |
Hello Ernie,
That's the same way it worked out for my 601 elevator that I build
last spring. If I had done it myself I would have aligned the
access hole in the elevator better since in the given configuration
access is very hard. But since all was already cut by Zenith this
way I left it like it was and spend a little more time tying down
the cables through the misaligned hole.
Maarten Versteeg San Antonio
601XL part kit, part scratch
working on the wings
>
> Time: 05:54:02 PM PST US
> From: ernie <ernieth@gmail.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Elevator servo trim placement 601xl
>
> Hello,
>
> I am installing my elevator trim servo. I am finding that it does not line
> up well with access hole. The measurements look
> the same as on the prints (cut out and predrill holes from ZAC).
> I am thinking that it is done this way to center the control arm of the
> servo as close to the center of the elevator trim as possible
> without being to close to the rib. (does this sound reasonable?). One of the
> photo guides pages shows the servo off center too, so I am thinking
> everything must be right and it is the way it is.
>
> Do not archive ; (
>
> ernie
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| Subject: | Elevator servo trim placement 601xl |
When the servo is in the correct position it will not be centered in the
access hole. This is so the push rod is kept as short as possible per Nick
at Zenith.
Chuck Wacker
N601CW Quick Build
>From: ernie <ernieth@gmail.com>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Elevator servo trim placement 601xl
>Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:53:03 -0500
>
>Hello,
>
>I am installing my elevator trim servo. I am finding that it does not line
>up well with access hole. The measurements look
>the same as on the prints (cut out and predrill holes from ZAC).
>I am thinking that it is done this way to center the control arm of the
>servo as close to the center of the elevator trim as possible
>without being to close to the rib. (does this sound reasonable?). One of
>the
>photo guides pages shows the servo off center too, so I am thinking
>everything must be right and it is the way it is.
>
>Do not archive ; (
>
>ernie
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| Subject: | Re: Filling in the rib ends? |
Another thing I forgot to mention is that if you do cover/close up the gaps at
the trailing edges as I did, I think it is a good idea to drill a small #40 or
#30 hole to allow the assembly to drip out moisture or "breathe". The hole is
way too small for critters to intrude but large enough to drip out.
Ed
---- TxDave <dclaytx2@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> Hey Andy,
>
> I'm assuming you're talking about the small gap left at the trailing edge of
the control surfaces. If so, when I first started building I worried what to do
about it. I went to a hanger and looked at production aircraft (Cessna, Beech,
etc). I noticed they also had gaps between the aft end of the various control
surface ribs and the trailing edge skin. Even a multi-million dollar Pilatus
PC-12 had gaps. Attached is a photo of a Cessna 150 flap showing a pretty large
gap.
>
> If I misunderstood what you were describing, then ...never mind.
>
> Dave Clay
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron stop |
This is what the current XL plans show. The pictorial guide gives a different
measurement outboard of rib 7 but the date on the plans is newer.
Tim Juhl
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| Subject: | Re: Filling in the rib ends? |
Only my humble opinion, but the drain holes should be at least 1/4 inch.
Smaller than that blocks too easily. With the drill still in the hole, it
should also be sloped (pulled) backward when not rotating, enough that it
forms a slight negative pressure zone at the hole to suck any water out.
I agree - you don't want critters in there!
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
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From: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Filling in the rib ends?
>
> Another thing I forgot to mention is that if you do cover/close up the
> gaps at the trailing edges as I did, I think it is a good idea to drill a
> small #40 or #30 hole to allow the assembly to drip out moisture or
> "breathe". The hole is way too small for critters to intrude but large
> enough to drip out.
>
> Ed
>
> ---- TxDave <dclaytx2@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Andy,
>>
>> I'm assuming you're talking about the small gap left at the trailing edge
>> of the control surfaces. If so, when I first started building I worried
>> what to do about it. I went to a hanger and looked at production aircraft
>> (Cessna, Beech, etc). I noticed they also had gaps between the aft end of
>> the various control surface ribs and the trailing edge skin. Even a
>> multi-million dollar Pilatus PC-12 had gaps. Attached is a photo of a
>> Cessna 150 flap showing a pretty large gap.
>>
>> If I misunderstood what you were describing, then ...never mind.
>>
>> Dave Clay
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: lift strut fairings |
Mark - Can thes be used in lieu of the steel struts like the Rans or on the 701
built by Robert Kube for Christopher Desmond?
Thanks,
Chris in Seattle
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron stop |
Hi Tim
Thank you for the picture of the aileron stop-installation. I will recheck my plans...
Martin
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Zodiac XL QBK
8645 Jona, Switzerland
www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL
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| Subject: | CH-801 Cowling/Crossflow |
I need a cowling for a Zenith CH-801 running a Crossflow Subaru engine. Any ideas?
Jay
Jay F. Caldwell
Owner, Caldwell Systems Engineering (CSE), LLC
4181 Tamilynn Court
San Diego, CA 92122
Voice 858.453.4594
Facsimile 858.452.1560
Work 619.562.0885
Mobile 858.336.0394
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| Subject: | Re: Handheld GPS? |
Greetings all.
Per Lind and others about to purchase a GPS. One of the first places to
start is www.sportys.com and click on the GPS comparison chart.
Specifications and features for a good variety of the GPS units that are
on the market today are listed along with prices. The unit that is no
longer on the list is the GPS that I ended up buying and that is the
AvMap Geo Pilot (Sportys item # 1932A). I realize that it does not have
many of the features that the high end units have, like weather display
and such, but for the money ($795) it has one of the largest displays
available and I found it very easy to operate. I only have about 20
hours in the air with it but so far have been very pleased with
performance.
Hope this helps
Dick Neitzel
Sayner, WI
701 Jab 2200
N962WB
N963WB@frontiernet.net
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| Subject: | 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll |
Guys:
I registered my tail number some time ago (N5SL) and now I'm ready to stick
it on the airplane. I got the black, 3", pre-spaced numbers from Aircraft
Spruce. Here's where I'm having trouble making a decision:
Even though it is called a "Tail Number" I've noticed a lot of 601's have
the numbers on the fuselage below the longerons. Please reply with where
you think the numbers ought to be and why. I located a few examples below
to help make the decision:
Tail:
http://www.zenvair.com/jannakos1.jpg
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/pic06/b-carlson.jpg
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/pic06/8190003.jpg
Fuselage:
http://www.zenvair.com/ray3.jpg
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/pic06/c-richmond4.jpg
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/pic06/n8830c-2.jpg
Thanks for your input.
Scott Laughlin
601XL/Corvair
Polished, not painted
Omaha, Nebraska
www.cooknwithgas.com
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| Subject: | 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll |
FAR 45.25 (location)
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf/0/89cbae
6ceae8fe13852566ab006bed58!OpenDocument&Click
TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/yptdok
<quote>
Sec. 45.25
Location of marks on fixed-wing aircraft.
(a) The operator of a fixed-wing aircraft shall display the required marks
on either the vertical tail surfaces or the sides of the fuselage, except as
provided in Sec. 45.29(f).
(b) The marks required by paragraph (a) of this section shall be displayed
as follows:
(1) If displayed on the vertical tail surfaces, horizontally on both
surfaces, horizontally on both surfaces of a single vertical tail or on the
outer surfaces of a multivertical tail. However, on aircraft on which marks
at least 3 inches high may be displayed in accordance with Sec. 45.29(b)(1),
the marks may be displayed vertically on the vertical tail surfaces.
(2) If displayed on the fuselage surfaces, horizontally on both sides of the
fuselage between the trailing edge of the wing and the leading edge of the
horizontal stabilizer. However, if engine pods or other appurtenances are
located in this area and are an integral part of the fuselage side surfaces,
the operator may place the marks on those pods or appurtenances.
<end quote>
FAR 45.29 (size)
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/REGULATORY_AND_GUIDANCE_LIBRARY/RGFAR.NSF/0/b75de9
a6d18e489186256edf006d6cec!OpenDocument&ExpandSection=2
TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/26cclr
All though I can't make it out from the FARs I am told that aircraft
entering the US now (post 9/11) need to have the numbers be 12 inches high.
Paragraph (h) seems to be related to this:
"(h) After March 7, 1988, each operator of an aircraft penetrating an ADIZ
or DEWIZ shall display on that aircraft temporary or permanent nationality
and registration marks at least 12 inches high."
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Builder support for the 601HD or HDS |
Hi Gang
The HD and HDS are still very good options for some builders. I think the HD
especially.
I was wondering if there was still builder support for these models? Can you
still purchase pre-made parts from ZAC?? Plan updates etc?
Seems that most builders are building the XL.
Ron
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| Subject: | Builder support for the 601HD or HDS |
Golly I sure hope so 'cause I'm still building mine! Seriously, ZAC
continues to provide whatever support I need, as well as this list.
Jeff D.
Building a 601HD from partial kits since 1994, but coming to an end soon!
(if there ever is an end to the building)
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lalonde
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 4:11 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS
Hi Gang
The HD and HDS are still very good options for some builders. I think the HD
especially.
I was wondering if there was still builder support for these models? Can you
still purchase pre-made parts from ZAC?? Plan updates etc?
Seems that most builders are building the XL.
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll |
If you are going to use just black 3" number put them on the tail. As short as
your number is I' put them on horz.
If someone was going to color match the numbers with a paint job I'd go with the
fuselage.
With vanity numbers like yours, and mine, I'd go with big color matched numbers
on the fuse.
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601XL Under Construction
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| Subject: | Re: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS |
I understand the the parts are still being made and sold but I'd doubt there are
going to be many more updates to the plans.
I'm curious why you'd want the HD or HDS over the XL though?
rlalonde wrote:
> Hi Gang
> The HD and HDS are still very good options for some builders. I think the HD
> especially.
> I was wondering if there was still builder support for these models? Can you
> still purchase pre-made parts from ZAC?? Plan updates etc?
> Seems that most builders are building the XL.
> Ron
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll |
If you go with the 3" numbers - I'd put them horizontally on the tail. For myself,
I'm going with 12 inch numbers on the fuselage in case I ever need to penetrate
an ADIZ or cross certain international borders.
Tim
N601TJ (reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS |
Ron and Listers,
I have been operating my 601HD ( Rotax 912UL - 80 HP ) for ten years and
have had no problem with support for it from ZAC, except that the "old"
exhaust system has finally come to the point that when I can't keep it in
servicable condition I will have to buy the new single outlet type which
will require modifying the cowling. I do have two complete exhaust systems
( the old type ) which I can swap out.
In fact, after talking with Roger yesterday, I ordered a set of the new
"heavy duty" main landing gear legs because I have the "old" lightweight (
1/8" thick plates - four attach bolts ). I have had no problem except badly
deteriorated Bungees which I've replaced. But I think it is a good idea to
update.
I believe you can get just about any part you need for a HD or HDS.
do not archive
Jim Hoak 601HD - 912UL - 538 hours - 744 landings
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Lalonde" <rlalonde@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 4:10 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS
>
> Hi Gang
> The HD and HDS are still very good options for some builders. I think the
> HD especially.
> I was wondering if there was still builder support for these models? Can
> you still purchase pre-made parts from ZAC?? Plan updates etc?
> Seems that most builders are building the XL.
> Ron
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| Subject: | Builder support for the 601HD or HDS |
Support is, and seldom ever was a problem, you can start on a new HD and
be pretty much assured that you will have knowledgeable people around to
help you out. Now the HD and HDS have not benefited from updates like
the XL has. THE photo walkthrough and plans updates are far better then
the older series of plane. The XL is actually easier to build and in
almost all respects it does fly better. I can understand going with a HD
if you need to register the plane at 1056lbs but if you are registering
at 1232lbs or better then the XL is truly the way to go.
This is a personal choice of which plane to build, But I would suggest
that you ask the list for reasons to build the 601HD over the 601XL.
There are not many reasons.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hoak
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS
Ron and Listers,
I have been operating my 601HD ( Rotax 912UL - 80 HP ) for ten years and
have had no problem with support for it from ZAC, except that the "old"
exhaust system has finally come to the point that when I can't keep it
in
servicable condition I will have to buy the new single outlet type which
will require modifying the cowling. I do have two complete exhaust
systems
( the old type ) which I can swap out.
In fact, after talking with Roger yesterday, I ordered a set of the new
"heavy duty" main landing gear legs because I have the "old" lightweight
(
1/8" thick plates - four attach bolts ). I have had no problem except
badly
deteriorated Bungees which I've replaced. But I think it is a good idea
to
update.
I believe you can get just about any part you need for a HD or HDS.
do not archive
Jim Hoak 601HD - 912UL - 538 hours - 744 landings
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From: "Ron Lalonde" <rlalonde@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 4:10 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS
<rlalonde@hotmail.com>
>
> Hi Gang
> The HD and HDS are still very good options for some builders. I think
the
> HD especially.
> I was wondering if there was still builder support for these models?
Can
> you still purchase pre-made parts from ZAC?? Plan updates etc?
> Seems that most builders are building the XL.
> Ron
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| Subject: | 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll |
An Opinion Poll? Scott you really know how to stir things up!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Laughlin
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 11:41 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll
<cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Guys:
I registered my tail number some time ago (N5SL) and now I'm ready to stick
it on the airplane. I got the black, 3", pre-spaced numbers from Aircraft
Spruce. Here's where I'm having trouble making a decision:
Even though it is called a "Tail Number" I've noticed a lot of 601's have
the numbers on the fuselage below the longerons. Please reply with where
you think the numbers ought to be and why. I located a few examples below
to help make the decision:
Tail:
http://www.zenvair.com/jannakos1.jpg
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/pic06/b-carlson.jpg
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/pic06/8190003.jpg
Fuselage:
http://www.zenvair.com/ray3.jpg
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/pic06/c-richmond4.jpg
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/pic06/n8830c-2.jpg
Thanks for your input.
Scott Laughlin
601XL/Corvair
Polished, not painted
Omaha, Nebraska
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| Subject: | Re: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS |
Hi Gig
Presently building an XL., but was just looking at the plan I also have for
the HD.
The HD can use a smaller powerplant, and that interests me.
This XL project is my sons choice, ....personally....I like the 701 best of
all.
Ron
>From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS
>Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:39:48 -0800
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>>I understand the the parts are still being made and sold but I'd doubt
>>there are going to be many more updates to the plans.
>
>I'm curious why you'd want the HD or HDS over the XL though?
>
>
>rlalonde wrote:
> > Hi Gang
> > The HD and HDS are still very good options for some builders. I think
>the HD
> > especially.
> > I was wondering if there was still builder support for these models? Can
>you
> > still purchase pre-made parts from ZAC?? Plan updates etc?
> > Seems that most builders are building the XL.
> > Ron
> >
>
>
>--------
>W.R. "Gig" Giacona
>601XL Under Construction
>See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90688#90688
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| Subject: | Builder support for the 601HD or HDS |
This is a personal choice of which plane to build, But I would suggest
that you ask the list for reasons to build the 601HD over the 601XL.
There are not many reasons.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
Mark is certainly right about that. It is a personal choice. Some of the
major differences are the gear, the wing, the flaps (or lack thereof), the
firewall, and the canopy. My HD sports the XL front hinged canopy, the
beefed up XL firewall, and center console (Check style actually). Both well
built HDs and XLs should meet LSA criteria if that is a concern. Building
the HD gear boxes has been written about in great volume, but when I got to
doing them, installing the bungees, and all else, it wasn't a real
challenge. I think being forewarned by this list made it easy in actual
fact. Like putting the rubber bushings on the Jabiru engine mount, it is
all in knowing the little tricks that get it done in a few minutes.
Jeff Davidson
601 HD/Jabiru 3300A/Dynon panel/wiring it up!
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll |
Here's another example Scott.
Think I obsessed over where and how for a few days too.
Had black on aluminum for a year, then went to vinyl over paint. Your
examples are too good to say which is better. Some either way are really
neat!
Take your pick and we'll respect you in the morning. :-)
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/601ezrearlft.gif
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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Scott Laughlin wrote:
> <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
>
> Guys:
>
> I registered my tail number some time ago (N5SL) and now I'm ready to
> stick it on the airplane. I got the black, 3", pre-spaced numbers
> from Aircraft Spruce. Here's where I'm having trouble making a decision:
>
> Even though it is called a "Tail Number" I've noticed a lot of 601's
> have the numbers on the fuselage below the longerons. Please reply
> with where you think the numbers ought to be and why. I located a few
> examples below to help make the decision:
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
> Scott Laughlin
> 601XL/Corvair
> Polished, not painted
> Omaha, Nebraska
> www.cooknwithgas.com
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| Subject: | Re: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS |
Hi Ron,
The HD and HDS are still very good airplanes and will be around for a
long time to come but
most are building the XL because it's a latest development, has a
thinner wing that gets better airspeed
with the same horsepower. If your purpose is to have baggage capacity
in the wings and meeting
special aircraft standards or you scratch build, it's even more up to
you what you want.
The XL is a best decision if you need to be dependent on kit parts
availability, but I don't
imagine they will toss their jigs and parts-making tooling out for
previous models because
the main line is XL. I'd bet they'd make rather than stock older parts
for HD and HDS.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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Ron Lalonde wrote:
>
> Hi Gang
> The HD and HDS are still very good options for some builders. I think
> the HD especially.
> I was wondering if there was still builder support for these models?
> Can you still purchase pre-made parts from ZAC?? Plan updates etc?
> Seems that most builders are building the XL.
> Ron
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll |
Scott,
I was planning to use large numbers on the fuselage sides for the following reason.
The sides are flat ALMOST. My plans called for the .016 side skins, and
didn't know thicker skins were an option until I was past that phase of construction,
and the "flat" sides don't look flat. Painting BIG numbers on the
side is one idea I have to obscure the imperfection.
Dan
--------
Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90740#90740
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| Subject: | Re: CH-801 Cowling/Crossflow |
I believe the 801 builders just up the coast from you in California has
a subaru in her/ their plane. I think her name is Maureen or something c
lose. Try to email her and see what she did?? There is a pic of her plan
e in the 801 picture section. They went on a Alaska trip and the pics ar
e posted with that heading.
Good luck. and do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- Jay Caldwell <caldwelljf@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I need a cowling for a Zenith CH-801 running a Crossflow Subaru engine.
Any ideas? Jay
Jay F. Caldwell
Owner, Caldwell Systems Engineering (CSE), LLC
4181 Tamilynn Court
San Diego, CA 92122
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| Subject: | Builder support for the 601HD or HDS |
Actually the XL may be the worse choice in terms of future parts
availability. That is because the XL is still evolving. I can't order many
parts for my vintage 2000 XL kit from Zenith because the plans have changes.
The instrument panel has moved, the bulkheads have changed shape, etc. That
is why lately I've been acting more like a scratch builder than a kit
builder.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | 601XL Wing Flutter |
Dear Thread Friends, I went flying this afternoon. Took a fellow with me and
just wanted an hour in the clear blue. Conditions were perfect, clear, cool
and only a slight wind. The only big thing around much to see nearby is Lake
Juliette which has a big coal fired power station in the middle. Three huge steam
towers that look like a nuclear power station. We flew around the lake about
two miles away at 5000 feet so my pal could get a good look see. On the down
wind side we flew into an invisible killer. We were doing above 140 when we
flew into it. Instantly the left wing fluttered at a fast pitch, aileron and all
and it looked to be moving maybe two inched up and down. I figured a couple
seconds would break it off. I didn't have time to look around the passenger to
see if the right wing was fluttering, but I suspect it was. I chopped power and
did a hard diving wing over to the left and out of it. The flutter sound was
great even over my Lightspeed AN system and the whole thing probably last
maybe 5 or 6 seconds. I regained control out of the snap dive, maxing above 170
and flew slow and easy back to the field before I tested the controls.
Everything felt okay and I could see no wrinkles in the top skin so I landed. Didn't
really have much choice. Upon inspection I found no sign of stress, no skin
deform, no paint cracked around rivets, nothing. I will take off all inspection
panels for a close inspection this weekend and check bolts, controls, etc., but
I cannot believe such a prolonged violent movement of the wing did not damage
something other than my pride. Two things learned. Don't fly anywhere near a
power station. Even at 5000 feet and miles away the invisible heat rises and is
most extreme. Maybe intensified in cold weather. The other thing is the XL is
very, very tough. Oh, there is a third thing. How could I have been so stupid
not to know the first thing !! I am interested though in knowing why the
wings fluttered in this thermal? What theory of air dynamics would cause this
extreme reaction? Was is just the level of heat and speed the invisible air was
streaming past? This was my 90th flight in her and she made me proud again.
Best regards to you all,
Bill of Georgia
N505WP
601XL-3300
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