---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/26/07: 30 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:19 AM - Re: Filling in the rib ends? (TxDave) 2. 02:19 AM - Re: Aileron stop (Martin Pohl) 3. 05:24 AM - Re: Re: Filling in the rib ends? (Gary Boothe) 4. 05:51 AM - Elevator servo trim placement 601xl (Maarten Versteeg) 5. 06:11 AM - Re: Elevator servo trim placement 601xl (Charles Wacker) 6. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Filling in the rib ends? () 7. 08:57 AM - Re: Aileron stop (Tim Juhl) 8. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: Filling in the rib ends? (David Austin) 9. 10:16 AM - Re: lift strut fairings (Chris Lewis) 10. 10:31 AM - Re: Aileron stop (Martin Pohl) 11. 10:58 AM - CH-801 Cowling/Crossflow (Jay Caldwell) 12. 11:05 AM - Re: Handheld GPS? (Neitzel) 13. 11:41 AM - 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll (Scott Laughlin) 14. 12:28 PM - Re: 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll (Craig Payne) 15. 01:11 PM - Builder support for the 601HD or HDS (Ron Lalonde) 16. 01:30 PM - Re: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS (Jeff) 17. 01:37 PM - Re: 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll (Gig Giacona) 18. 01:40 PM - Re: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS (Gig Giacona) 19. 01:43 PM - Re: 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll (Tim Juhl) 20. 02:02 PM - Re: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS (Jim Hoak) 21. 02:25 PM - Re: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS (ZodieRocket) 22. 03:51 PM - Re: 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll (Gary Boothe) 23. 03:58 PM - Re: Re: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS (Ron Lalonde) 24. 05:20 PM - Re: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS (Jeff) 25. 05:58 PM - Re: 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll (LarryMcFarland) 26. 06:13 PM - Re: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS (LarryMcFarland) 27. 06:24 PM - Re: 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll (leinad) 28. 06:32 PM - Re: CH-801 Cowling/Crossflow (n801bh@netzero.com) 29. 08:47 PM - Re: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS (Craig Payne) 30. 10:33 PM - 601XL Wing Flutter (JAPhillipsGA@AOL.COM) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:19:24 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Filling in the rib ends? From: "TxDave" Hey Andy, I'm assuming you're talking about the small gap left at the trailing edge of the control surfaces. If so, when I first started building I worried what to do about it. I went to a hanger and looked at production aircraft (Cessna, Beech, etc). I noticed they also had gaps between the aft end of the various control surface ribs and the trailing edge skin. Even a multi-million dollar Pilatus PC-12 had gaps. Attached is a photo of a Cessna 150 flap showing a pretty large gap. If I misunderstood what you were describing, then ...never mind. Dave Clay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90536#90536 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cessnaflap_433.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:19:06 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron stop From: "Martin Pohl" Hi Mike and everybody else I am also wondering how to install the aileron stop (CZAW kit). I do have two parts 6W10-4 (see picture below) but don't know how and where to install. The drawing shows 6W10-4 as a different looking part... Looking forward to any help :D . Martin -------- Martin Pohl Zodiac XL QBK 8645 Jona, Switzerland www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90538#90538 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:01 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Filling in the rib ends? The gap is there for a reason. It simply allows moisture to drain. Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, Tail done, wings done, working on c-section -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TxDave Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 1:18 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Filling in the rib ends? Hey Andy, I'm assuming you're talking about the small gap left at the trailing edge of the control surfaces. If so, when I first started building I worried what to do about it. I went to a hanger and looked at production aircraft (Cessna, Beech, etc). I noticed they also had gaps between the aft end of the various control surface ribs and the trailing edge skin. Even a multi-million dollar Pilatus PC-12 had gaps. Attached is a photo of a Cessna 150 flap showing a pretty large gap. If I misunderstood what you were describing, then ...never mind. Dave Clay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90536#90536 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cessnaflap_433.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:52 AM PST US From: Maarten Versteeg Subject: Zenith-List: Elevator servo trim placement 601xl Hello Ernie, That's the same way it worked out for my 601 elevator that I build last spring. If I had done it myself I would have aligned the access hole in the elevator better since in the given configuration access is very hard. But since all was already cut by Zenith this way I left it like it was and spend a little more time tying down the cables through the misaligned hole. Maarten Versteeg San Antonio 601XL part kit, part scratch working on the wings > > Time: 05:54:02 PM PST US > From: ernie > Subject: Zenith-List: Elevator servo trim placement 601xl > > Hello, > > I am installing my elevator trim servo. I am finding that it does not line > up well with access hole. The measurements look > the same as on the prints (cut out and predrill holes from ZAC). > I am thinking that it is done this way to center the control arm of the > servo as close to the center of the elevator trim as possible > without being to close to the rib. (does this sound reasonable?). One of the > photo guides pages shows the servo off center too, so I am thinking > everything must be right and it is the way it is. > > Do not archive ; ( > > ernie ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:34 AM PST US From: "Charles Wacker" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Elevator servo trim placement 601xl When the servo is in the correct position it will not be centered in the access hole. This is so the push rod is kept as short as possible per Nick at Zenith. Chuck Wacker N601CW Quick Build >From: ernie >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Elevator servo trim placement 601xl >Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:53:03 -0500 > >Hello, > >I am installing my elevator trim servo. I am finding that it does not line >up well with access hole. The measurements look >the same as on the prints (cut out and predrill holes from ZAC). >I am thinking that it is done this way to center the control arm of the >servo as close to the center of the elevator trim as possible >without being to close to the rib. (does this sound reasonable?). One of >the >photo guides pages shows the servo off center too, so I am thinking >everything must be right and it is the way it is. > >Do not archive ; ( > >ernie _________________________________________________________________ Valentines Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8323,ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24095&tcode=wlmtagline ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:21 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Filling in the rib ends? Another thing I forgot to mention is that if you do cover/close up the gaps at the trailing edges as I did, I think it is a good idea to drill a small #40 or #30 hole to allow the assembly to drip out moisture or "breathe". The hole is way too small for critters to intrude but large enough to drip out. Ed ---- TxDave wrote: > > Hey Andy, > > I'm assuming you're talking about the small gap left at the trailing edge of the control surfaces. If so, when I first started building I worried what to do about it. I went to a hanger and looked at production aircraft (Cessna, Beech, etc). I noticed they also had gaps between the aft end of the various control surface ribs and the trailing edge skin. Even a multi-million dollar Pilatus PC-12 had gaps. Attached is a photo of a Cessna 150 flap showing a pretty large gap. > > If I misunderstood what you were describing, then ...never mind. > > Dave Clay ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:04 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron stop From: "Tim Juhl" This is what the current XL plans show. The pictorial guide gives a different measurement outboard of rib 7 but the date on the plans is newer. Tim Juhl -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90608#90608 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/aileron_stop_123.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:34 AM PST US From: "David Austin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Filling in the rib ends? Only my humble opinion, but the drain holes should be at least 1/4 inch. Smaller than that blocks too easily. With the drill still in the hole, it should also be sloped (pulled) backward when not rotating, enough that it forms a slight negative pressure zone at the hole to suck any water out. I agree - you don't want critters in there! Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 10:23 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Filling in the rib ends? > > Another thing I forgot to mention is that if you do cover/close up the > gaps at the trailing edges as I did, I think it is a good idea to drill a > small #40 or #30 hole to allow the assembly to drip out moisture or > "breathe". The hole is way too small for critters to intrude but large > enough to drip out. > > Ed > > ---- TxDave wrote: >> >> Hey Andy, >> >> I'm assuming you're talking about the small gap left at the trailing edge >> of the control surfaces. If so, when I first started building I worried >> what to do about it. I went to a hanger and looked at production aircraft >> (Cessna, Beech, etc). I noticed they also had gaps between the aft end of >> the various control surface ribs and the trailing edge skin. Even a >> multi-million dollar Pilatus PC-12 had gaps. Attached is a photo of a >> Cessna 150 flap showing a pretty large gap. >> >> If I misunderstood what you were describing, then ...never mind. >> >> Dave Clay > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:04 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: lift strut fairings From: "Chris Lewis" Mark - Can thes be used in lieu of the steel struts like the Rans or on the 701 built by Robert Kube for Christopher Desmond? Thanks, Chris in Seattle -------- 701 Scratch Builder Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90632#90632 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/701_strut_2_141.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:56 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron stop From: "Martin Pohl" Hi Tim Thank you for the picture of the aileron stop-installation. I will recheck my plans... Martin -------- Martin Pohl Zodiac XL QBK 8645 Jona, Switzerland www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90639#90639 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:52 AM PST US From: Jay Caldwell Subject: Zenith-List: CH-801 Cowling/Crossflow I need a cowling for a Zenith CH-801 running a Crossflow Subaru engine. Any ideas? Jay Jay F. Caldwell Owner, Caldwell Systems Engineering (CSE), LLC 4181 Tamilynn Court San Diego, CA 92122 Voice 858.453.4594 Facsimile 858.452.1560 Work 619.562.0885 Mobile 858.336.0394 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:27 AM PST US From: "Neitzel" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Handheld GPS? Greetings all. Per Lind and others about to purchase a GPS. One of the first places to start is www.sportys.com and click on the GPS comparison chart. Specifications and features for a good variety of the GPS units that are on the market today are listed along with prices. The unit that is no longer on the list is the GPS that I ended up buying and that is the AvMap Geo Pilot (Sportys item # 1932A). I realize that it does not have many of the features that the high end units have, like weather display and such, but for the money ($795) it has one of the largest displays available and I found it very easy to operate. I only have about 20 hours in the air with it but so far have been very pleased with performance. Hope this helps Dick Neitzel Sayner, WI 701 Jab 2200 N962WB N963WB@frontiernet.net ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:35 AM PST US From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll Guys: I registered my tail number some time ago (N5SL) and now I'm ready to stick it on the airplane. I got the black, 3", pre-spaced numbers from Aircraft Spruce. Here's where I'm having trouble making a decision: Even though it is called a "Tail Number" I've noticed a lot of 601's have the numbers on the fuselage below the longerons. Please reply with where you think the numbers ought to be and why. I located a few examples below to help make the decision: Tail: http://www.zenvair.com/jannakos1.jpg http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/pic06/b-carlson.jpg http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/pic06/8190003.jpg Fuselage: http://www.zenvair.com/ray3.jpg http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/pic06/c-richmond4.jpg http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/pic06/n8830c-2.jpg Thanks for your input. Scott Laughlin 601XL/Corvair Polished, not painted Omaha, Nebraska www.cooknwithgas.com _________________________________________________________________ Valentines Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8323,ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24095&tcode=wlmtagline ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:28:48 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll FAR 45.25 (location) http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf/0/89cbae 6ceae8fe13852566ab006bed58!OpenDocument&Click TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/yptdok Sec. 45.25 Location of marks on fixed-wing aircraft. (a) The operator of a fixed-wing aircraft shall display the required marks on either the vertical tail surfaces or the sides of the fuselage, except as provided in Sec. 45.29(f). (b) The marks required by paragraph (a) of this section shall be displayed as follows: (1) If displayed on the vertical tail surfaces, horizontally on both surfaces, horizontally on both surfaces of a single vertical tail or on the outer surfaces of a multivertical tail. However, on aircraft on which marks at least 3 inches high may be displayed in accordance with Sec. 45.29(b)(1), the marks may be displayed vertically on the vertical tail surfaces. (2) If displayed on the fuselage surfaces, horizontally on both sides of the fuselage between the trailing edge of the wing and the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer. However, if engine pods or other appurtenances are located in this area and are an integral part of the fuselage side surfaces, the operator may place the marks on those pods or appurtenances. FAR 45.29 (size) http://www.airweb.faa.gov/REGULATORY_AND_GUIDANCE_LIBRARY/RGFAR.NSF/0/b75de9 a6d18e489186256edf006d6cec!OpenDocument&ExpandSection=2 TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/26cclr All though I can't make it out from the FARs I am told that aircraft entering the US now (post 9/11) need to have the numbers be 12 inches high. Paragraph (h) seems to be related to this: "(h) After March 7, 1988, each operator of an aircraft penetrating an ADIZ or DEWIZ shall display on that aircraft temporary or permanent nationality and registration marks at least 12 inches high." -- Craig ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:41 PM PST US From: "Ron Lalonde" Subject: Zenith-List: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS Hi Gang The HD and HDS are still very good options for some builders. I think the HD especially. I was wondering if there was still builder support for these models? Can you still purchase pre-made parts from ZAC?? Plan updates etc? Seems that most builders are building the XL. Ron _________________________________________________________________ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:30:37 PM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS Golly I sure hope so 'cause I'm still building mine! Seriously, ZAC continues to provide whatever support I need, as well as this list. Jeff D. Building a 601HD from partial kits since 1994, but coming to an end soon! (if there ever is an end to the building) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lalonde Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 4:11 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS Hi Gang The HD and HDS are still very good options for some builders. I think the HD especially. I was wondering if there was still builder support for these models? Can you still purchase pre-made parts from ZAC?? Plan updates etc? Seems that most builders are building the XL. Ron _________________________________________________________________ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:59 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll From: "Gig Giacona" If you are going to use just black 3" number put them on the tail. As short as your number is I' put them on horz. If someone was going to color match the numbers with a paint job I'd go with the fuselage. With vanity numbers like yours, and mine, I'd go with big color matched numbers on the fuse. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90687#90687 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:40:08 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS From: "Gig Giacona" I understand the the parts are still being made and sold but I'd doubt there are going to be many more updates to the plans. I'm curious why you'd want the HD or HDS over the XL though? rlalonde wrote: > Hi Gang > The HD and HDS are still very good options for some builders. I think the HD > especially. > I was wondering if there was still builder support for these models? Can you > still purchase pre-made parts from ZAC?? Plan updates etc? > Seems that most builders are building the XL. > Ron > -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90688#90688 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:58 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll From: "Tim Juhl" If you go with the 3" numbers - I'd put them horizontally on the tail. For myself, I'm going with 12 inch numbers on the fuselage in case I ever need to penetrate an ADIZ or cross certain international borders. Tim N601TJ (reserved) -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90690#90690 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:06 PM PST US From: "Jim Hoak" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS Ron and Listers, I have been operating my 601HD ( Rotax 912UL - 80 HP ) for ten years and have had no problem with support for it from ZAC, except that the "old" exhaust system has finally come to the point that when I can't keep it in servicable condition I will have to buy the new single outlet type which will require modifying the cowling. I do have two complete exhaust systems ( the old type ) which I can swap out. In fact, after talking with Roger yesterday, I ordered a set of the new "heavy duty" main landing gear legs because I have the "old" lightweight ( 1/8" thick plates - four attach bolts ). I have had no problem except badly deteriorated Bungees which I've replaced. But I think it is a good idea to update. I believe you can get just about any part you need for a HD or HDS. do not archive Jim Hoak 601HD - 912UL - 538 hours - 744 landings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Lalonde" Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 4:10 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS > > Hi Gang > The HD and HDS are still very good options for some builders. I think the > HD especially. > I was wondering if there was still builder support for these models? Can > you still purchase pre-made parts from ZAC?? Plan updates etc? > Seems that most builders are building the XL. > Ron > > _________________________________________________________________ > Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live > Spaces. http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:21 PM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS Support is, and seldom ever was a problem, you can start on a new HD and be pretty much assured that you will have knowledgeable people around to help you out. Now the HD and HDS have not benefited from updates like the XL has. THE photo walkthrough and plans updates are far better then the older series of plane. The XL is actually easier to build and in almost all respects it does fly better. I can understand going with a HD if you need to register the plane at 1056lbs but if you are registering at 1232lbs or better then the XL is truly the way to go. This is a personal choice of which plane to build, But I would suggest that you ask the list for reasons to build the 601HD over the 601XL. There are not many reasons. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hoak Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS Ron and Listers, I have been operating my 601HD ( Rotax 912UL - 80 HP ) for ten years and have had no problem with support for it from ZAC, except that the "old" exhaust system has finally come to the point that when I can't keep it in servicable condition I will have to buy the new single outlet type which will require modifying the cowling. I do have two complete exhaust systems ( the old type ) which I can swap out. In fact, after talking with Roger yesterday, I ordered a set of the new "heavy duty" main landing gear legs because I have the "old" lightweight ( 1/8" thick plates - four attach bolts ). I have had no problem except badly deteriorated Bungees which I've replaced. But I think it is a good idea to update. I believe you can get just about any part you need for a HD or HDS. do not archive Jim Hoak 601HD - 912UL - 538 hours - 744 landings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Lalonde" Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 4:10 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS > > Hi Gang > The HD and HDS are still very good options for some builders. I think the > HD especially. > I was wondering if there was still builder support for these models? Can > you still purchase pre-made parts from ZAC?? Plan updates etc? > Seems that most builders are building the XL. > Ron > > _________________________________________________________________ > Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live > Spaces. http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA > > > -- 1/26/2007 11:11 AM -- 1/26/2007 11:11 AM ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:11 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll An Opinion Poll? Scott you really know how to stir things up!! Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, Tail done, wings done, working on c-section Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Laughlin Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 11:41 AM Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll Guys: I registered my tail number some time ago (N5SL) and now I'm ready to stick it on the airplane. I got the black, 3", pre-spaced numbers from Aircraft Spruce. Here's where I'm having trouble making a decision: Even though it is called a "Tail Number" I've noticed a lot of 601's have the numbers on the fuselage below the longerons. Please reply with where you think the numbers ought to be and why. I located a few examples below to help make the decision: Tail: http://www.zenvair.com/jannakos1.jpg http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/pic06/b-carlson.jpg http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/pic06/8190003.jpg Fuselage: http://www.zenvair.com/ray3.jpg http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/pic06/c-richmond4.jpg http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/pic06/n8830c-2.jpg Thanks for your input. Scott Laughlin 601XL/Corvair Polished, not painted Omaha, Nebraska www.cooknwithgas.com _________________________________________________________________ Valentine's Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8323,ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24095&tcod e=wlmtagline ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:52 PM PST US From: "Ron Lalonde" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS Hi Gig Presently building an XL., but was just looking at the plan I also have for the HD. The HD can use a smaller powerplant, and that interests me. This XL project is my sons choice, ....personally....I like the 701 best of all. Ron >From: "Gig Giacona" >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS >Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:39:48 -0800 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >>I understand the the parts are still being made and sold but I'd doubt >>there are going to be many more updates to the plans. > >I'm curious why you'd want the HD or HDS over the XL though? > > >rlalonde wrote: > > Hi Gang > > The HD and HDS are still very good options for some builders. I think >the HD > > especially. > > I was wondering if there was still builder support for these models? Can >you > > still purchase pre-made parts from ZAC?? Plan updates etc? > > Seems that most builders are building the XL. > > Ron > > > > >-------- >W.R. "Gig" Giacona >601XL Under Construction >See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90688#90688 > > _________________________________________________________________ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:47 PM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS This is a personal choice of which plane to build, But I would suggest that you ask the list for reasons to build the 601HD over the 601XL. There are not many reasons. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com Mark is certainly right about that. It is a personal choice. Some of the major differences are the gear, the wing, the flaps (or lack thereof), the firewall, and the canopy. My HD sports the XL front hinged canopy, the beefed up XL firewall, and center console (Check style actually). Both well built HDs and XLs should meet LSA criteria if that is a concern. Building the HD gear boxes has been written about in great volume, but when I got to doing them, installing the bungees, and all else, it wasn't a real challenge. I think being forewarned by this list made it easy in actual fact. Like putting the rubber bushings on the Jabiru engine mount, it is all in knowing the little tricks that get it done in a few minutes. Jeff Davidson 601 HD/Jabiru 3300A/Dynon panel/wiring it up! Do not archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:39 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll Here's another example Scott. Think I obsessed over where and how for a few days too. Had black on aluminum for a year, then went to vinyl over paint. Your examples are too good to say which is better. Some either way are really neat! Take your pick and we'll respect you in the morning. :-) http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/601ezrearlft.gif Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive Scott Laughlin wrote: > > > Guys: > > I registered my tail number some time ago (N5SL) and now I'm ready to > stick it on the airplane. I got the black, 3", pre-spaced numbers > from Aircraft Spruce. Here's where I'm having trouble making a decision: > > Even though it is called a "Tail Number" I've noticed a lot of 601's > have the numbers on the fuselage below the longerons. Please reply > with where you think the numbers ought to be and why. I located a few > examples below to help make the decision: > > Thanks for your input. > > Scott Laughlin > 601XL/Corvair > Polished, not painted > Omaha, Nebraska > www.cooknwithgas.com ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:43 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS Hi Ron, The HD and HDS are still very good airplanes and will be around for a long time to come but most are building the XL because it's a latest development, has a thinner wing that gets better airspeed with the same horsepower. If your purpose is to have baggage capacity in the wings and meeting special aircraft standards or you scratch build, it's even more up to you what you want. The XL is a best decision if you need to be dependent on kit parts availability, but I don't imagine they will toss their jigs and parts-making tooling out for previous models because the main line is XL. I'd bet they'd make rather than stock older parts for HD and HDS. Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive Ron Lalonde wrote: > > Hi Gang > The HD and HDS are still very good options for some builders. I think > the HD especially. > I was wondering if there was still builder support for these models? > Can you still purchase pre-made parts from ZAC?? Plan updates etc? > Seems that most builders are building the XL. > Ron > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:21 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL "Tail Number" Opinion Poll From: "leinad" Scott, I was planning to use large numbers on the fuselage sides for the following reason. The sides are flat ALMOST. My plans called for the .016 side skins, and didn't know thicker skins were an option until I was past that phase of construction, and the "flat" sides don't look flat. Painting BIG numbers on the side is one idea I have to obscure the imperfection. Dan -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90740#90740 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:59 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH-801 Cowling/Crossflow I believe the 801 builders just up the coast from you in California has a subaru in her/ their plane. I think her name is Maureen or something c lose. Try to email her and see what she did?? There is a pic of her plan e in the 801 picture section. They went on a Alaska trip and the pics ar e posted with that heading. Good luck. and do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- Jay Caldwell wrote: I need a cowling for a Zenith CH-801 running a Crossflow Subaru engine. Any ideas? Jay Jay F. 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I believe the 801 builders just up the coast from you in Califo rnia has a subaru in her/ their plane. I think her name is Maureen or so mething close. Try to email her and see what she did?? There is a pic of her plane in the 801 picture section. They went on a Alaska trip and th e pics are posted with that heading.

Good luck.  and do not archive


Ben Haas
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www.haaspowerair.com

-- Jay Caldwell <cald welljf@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

I need a cowling for a Zenith CH-801 running a Crossflow Subaru eng ine.  Any ideas?
 
Jay


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________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:31 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS Actually the XL may be the worse choice in terms of future parts availability. That is because the XL is still evolving. I can't order many parts for my vintage 2000 XL kit from Zenith because the plans have changes. The instrument panel has moved, the bulkheads have changed shape, etc. That is why lately I've been acting more like a scratch builder than a kit builder. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:02 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@AOL.COM Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Wing Flutter Dear Thread Friends, I went flying this afternoon. Took a fellow with me and just wanted an hour in the clear blue. Conditions were perfect, clear, cool and only a slight wind. The only big thing around much to see nearby is Lake Juliette which has a big coal fired power station in the middle. Three huge steam towers that look like a nuclear power station. We flew around the lake about two miles away at 5000 feet so my pal could get a good look see. On the down wind side we flew into an invisible killer. We were doing above 140 when we flew into it. Instantly the left wing fluttered at a fast pitch, aileron and all and it looked to be moving maybe two inched up and down. I figured a couple seconds would break it off. I didn't have time to look around the passenger to see if the right wing was fluttering, but I suspect it was. I chopped power and did a hard diving wing over to the left and out of it. The flutter sound was great even over my Lightspeed AN system and the whole thing probably last maybe 5 or 6 seconds. I regained control out of the snap dive, maxing above 170 and flew slow and easy back to the field before I tested the controls. Everything felt okay and I could see no wrinkles in the top skin so I landed. Didn't really have much choice. Upon inspection I found no sign of stress, no skin deform, no paint cracked around rivets, nothing. I will take off all inspection panels for a close inspection this weekend and check bolts, controls, etc., but I cannot believe such a prolonged violent movement of the wing did not damage something other than my pride. Two things learned. Don't fly anywhere near a power station. Even at 5000 feet and miles away the invisible heat rises and is most extreme. Maybe intensified in cold weather. The other thing is the XL is very, very tough. Oh, there is a third thing. How could I have been so stupid not to know the first thing !! I am interested though in knowing why the wings fluttered in this thermal? What theory of air dynamics would cause this extreme reaction? Was is just the level of heat and speed the invisible air was streaming past? This was my 90th flight in her and she made me proud again. Best regards to you all, Bill of Georgia N505WP 601XL-3300 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.