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1. 01:05 AM - Methods of leveling (Herbert Heaton)
2. 05:14 AM - Re: Wing Jig (Wade Jones)
3. 06:17 AM - Re: Wing Jig (Robin Bellach)
4. 06:27 AM - Rotax 912 differences (Ryan Vechinski)
5. 06:49 AM - Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site (George Race)
6. 08:30 AM - Re: Rotax 912 differences (Paul Mulwitz)
7. 08:31 AM - Engine Info? (Don Mountain)
8. 09:24 AM - Re: Rotax 912 differences (Dennis Shoup)
9. 09:43 AM - Re: Rotax 912 differences (Ryan Vechinski)
10. 10:08 AM - Re: Wing Jig (Wade Jones)
11. 10:46 AM - Re: Rotax 912 differences (Bryan Martin)
12. 10:49 AM - Re: Wing Jig (Bryan Martin)
13. 11:18 AM - Shelving required for a complete slow-build kit (Terry Phillips)
14. 11:38 AM - Re: Shelving required for a complete slow-build kit (Chris Lewis)
15. 11:58 AM - Re: Shelving required for a complete slow-build kit (John Marzulli)
16. 12:07 PM - Re: Shelving required for a complete slow-build kit (Jaybannist@cs.com)
17. 12:49 PM - Re: Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site (C Smith)
18. 01:18 PM - Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site (Gig Giacona)
19. 01:19 PM - Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site (Gig Giacona)
20. 01:32 PM - Re: Shelving required for a complete slow-build kit (George Swinford)
21. 01:53 PM - Shelving for 601 project (George Swinford)
22. 02:05 PM - Re: Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site (C Smith)
23. 02:09 PM - Carb Heat on Rotax 912 ULS? (Ken Arnold)
24. 02:59 PM - Re: Carb Heat on Rotax 912 ULS? (Mark Sherman)
25. 03:14 PM - Re: Rotax 912 differences (Dennis Shoup)
26. 04:28 PM - Re: carb heat on 912uls ()
27. 04:43 PM - Re: Carb Heat on Rotax 912 ULS? (George Race)
28. 04:45 PM - Re: Shelving required for a complete slow-build kit (Clyde Barcus)
29. 05:15 PM - Re: Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site (ZodieRocket)
30. 06:06 PM - Re: Engine Info? (Tim Juhl)
31. 06:16 PM - Re:Engine info? (MaxNr@aol.com)
32. 06:35 PM - Re: engine info? (#2) (MaxNr@aol.com)
33. 06:58 PM - Drill Bit Durability (Dave VanLanen)
34. 07:00 PM - Re: Carb Heat on Rotax 912 ULS? (NYTerminat@aol.com)
35. 10:07 PM - Re: Drill Bit Durability (Paul Mulwitz)
36. 11:34 PM - Re: Shelving required for a complete slow-build kit (xl)
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| Subject: | Methods of leveling |
Hi List,
Just thought I'd add my favorite method of leveling the fuselage, especially
over long distances. I use a piece of 1/4" clear plastic tubing about 20
feet long. I just happened to have some left over from a visit to the
hospital a few years ago. You know, that stuff they use to pump oxygen into
your nose. I filled the tubing with model airplane fuel since it won't
freeze, it's also pink so it's easy to see. I suppose anti-freeze would
work as well. I clamp one end to the aft end of the fuselage side
skin...then I can walk the other end to any point on the upper longerons to
check for level. Simple, accurate and cheap.
(Unless you live south of the equator, them all of the fluid would leak
out.)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Herb
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Thanks Craig ,I am aware that it is a template only .Just wondered what
thickness the factory supplied part was .
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:34 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wing Jig
The template is just that, a template. It doesn't become part of the
plane. So all that matters is its outline and that it be stiff enough
for it to be dimensionally stable and used easily. Or am I completely
missing the point of your question?
-- Craig
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In my kit the main web was .090.
Robin in AR
N601ZV Zen-Vair
----- Original Message -----
From: Wade Jones
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing Jig
Thanks Craig ,I am aware that it is a template only .Just wondered
what thickness the factory supplied part was .
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
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| Subject: | Rotax 912 differences |
In the latest issue of Kitplane, they listed a lot of different engines for experimental
aircraft. For the Rotax, they list both a 912S and a 912ULS, with different
prices. (the difference was only a couple of hundred) Is there a difference
between these models? HP, displacement, weight were all the same. My
guess would have been that one was certified, but the price difference (or lack
of) makes me think different. Or is this just a mistake in the magazine?
Ryan
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| Subject: | Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site |
For a quick link to the "Builders Info Site" save the following link and
make it easy to get there:
www.zenithair.com/builder-secure/
>From there you will be ask for your Username and Password.
If you don't have one contact Shirley at Zenith.
George
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 differences |
Hi Ryan,
I think one is "Authorized by the manufacturer" for IFR
operations. This has no real meaning when the engine is installed in
an experimental airplane.
Paul
At 06:26 AM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>In the latest issue of Kitplane, they listed a lot of different
>engines for experimental aircraft. For the Rotax, they list both a
>912S and a 912ULS, with different prices. (the difference was only a
>couple of hundred) Is there a difference between these models? HP,
>displacement, weight were all the same. My guess would have been
>that one was certified, but the price difference (or lack of) makes
>me think different. Or is this just a mistake in the magazine?
>
>Ryan
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I am in the process of looking for an engine for my 601XL. Does anybody have a
source of information on the different Lycoming, Continental and other aircraft
engine models and specs? I have been looking at Lycoming and Continental engines
on Barnstormers and there seems to be a lot of different models of each
for sale. Neither the Lycoming or Continental web sites seem to have much information
on their engines.
Don Mountain
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 differences |
As I understand.... The certified engine is the only one Rotax approves for
night or IFR flight. The non-certified engine is specifically not approved
for either. There is about $10,000 price difference. The only difference I
know of is the addition of carb heat. I guess it is a question of risk and
liability. Unfortunately I can't find a website that has pricing for the
certified engine to confirm my information. Jabiru imposes no such
restrictions.
Dennis
On 2/2/07, Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
> Hi Ryan,
>
> I think one is "Authorized by the manufacturer" for IFR
> operations. This has no real meaning when the engine is installed in
> an experimental airplane.
>
> Paul
>
> At 06:26 AM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
> >In the latest issue of Kitplane, they listed a lot of different
> >engines for experimental aircraft. For the Rotax, they list both a
> >912S and a 912ULS, with different prices. (the difference was only a
> >couple of hundred) Is there a difference between these models? HP,
> >displacement, weight were all the same. My guess would have been
> >that one was certified, but the price difference (or lack of) makes
> >me think different. Or is this just a mistake in the magazine?
> >
> >Ryan
>
>
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| Subject: | Rotax 912 differences |
The price difference was only about $800 (if I remember correctly). When I get
home and look at the article I'll find out for sure and let you know.
________________________________
> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 12:21:54 -0500
> From: zenith601xl@gmail.com
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rotax 912 differences
>
> As I understand.... The certified engine is the only one Rotax approves for
night or IFR flight. The non-certified engine is specifically not approved for
either. There is about $10,000 price difference. The only difference I know
of is the addition of carb heat. I guess it is a question of risk and liability.
Unfortunately I can't find a website that has pricing for the certified
engine to confirm my information. Jabiru imposes no such restrictions.
> Dennis
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Thanks for the information on the wing jig .I believe the .090 is what I
am looking for .Do any other kit builders also have the same thickness
for this part . Thanks
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Bellach
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing Jig
In my kit the main web was .090.
Robin in AR
N601ZV Zen-Vair
----- Original Message -----
From: Wade Jones
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing Jig
Thanks Craig ,I am aware that it is a template only .Just wondered
what thickness the factory supplied part was .
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 differences |
The 912S is the certified 100HP engiine and thte 912ULS is the
uncertified version. The price difference shown in the ad doesn't
sound right to me either. I went to the website for the supplier
listed in the ad and they don't even show the 912S in their list of
new engines available. They do however list the 912S under available
rebuilt engines. That may account for the price difference.
On Feb 2, 2007, at 9:26 AM, Ryan Vechinski wrote:
> <brothapig@hotmail.com>
>
>
> In the latest issue of Kitplane, they listed a lot of different
> engines for experimental aircraft. For the Rotax, they list both a
> 912S and a 912ULS, with different prices. (the difference was only
> a couple of hundred) Is there a difference between these models?
> HP, displacement, weight were all the same. My guess would have
> been that one was certified, but the price difference (or lack of)
> makes me think different. Or is this just a mistake in the magazine?
>
> Ryan
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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As I recall, mine was also .090 or thereabouts.
On Feb 2, 2007, at 1:05 PM, Wade Jones wrote:
> Thanks for the information on the wing jig .I believe the .090 is
> what I am looking for .Do any other kit builders also have the same
> thickness for this part . Thanks
> Wade Jones South Texas
> 601XL plans building
> Cont. 0200
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Shelving required for a complete slow-build kit |
I have a pretty mundane question.
I'm expecting delivery of my complete 601XL slow-build kit in a couple of
weeks. I will need to build shelving (or whatever) to hold all the parts
while I build the airframe. I would like to know how others have stored
complete kits, without completely filling up the garage.
How many shelves or bins, what size and shape? I have half of a 2-car
garage to hold the storage and my 4'x12' work bench. Pictures would be
great. Thanks for your sharing your experience.
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
Just starting a 601 kit
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| Subject: | Re: Shelving required for a complete slow-build kit |
Terry - Check out Andre's site (courtesy of ch601.org)
http://home.tiscali.nl/a.vandenelsen/foto%20pagina%20's/begin/index.html
(Make sure to get the complete URL)
Chris in Seattle
--------
701 Scratch Builder
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92396#92396
Attachments:
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| Subject: | Re: Shelving required for a complete slow-build kit |
You won't need much shelving.
I built my 12x4 bench on top of a Zenith crate, and still use the crate for
storage. Another Zenith crate was turned on it's side and acts as a shelf.
A peg board holds most of my tools. A small plastic tool box on wheels holds
my drill and rivet gun.
I put a few smaller shelves up as well to hold a radio and a holder for
screws/rivets.
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2584/3102/1600/DSC00233.jpg
http://bp2.blogger.com/_mhDbWUJRTOE/RYeWYnGvw-I/AAAAAAAAAAY/-qi6re2CiW0/s1600-h/DSC01470.JPG
Good luck!
On 2/2/07, Terry Phillips <ttp44@rkymtn.net> wrote:
>
>
> I have a pretty mundane question.
>
> I'm expecting delivery of my complete 601XL slow-build kit in a couple of
> weeks. I will need to build shelving (or whatever) to hold all the parts
> while I build the airframe. I would like to know how others have stored
> complete kits, without completely filling up the garage.
>
> How many shelves or bins, what size and shape? I have half of a 2-car
> garage to hold the storage and my 4'x12' work bench. Pictures would be
> great. Thanks for your sharing your experience.
>
>
> Terry Phillips
> ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
> Corvallis MT
> Just starting a 601 kit
>
>
--
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
"Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot
harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
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| Subject: | Shelving required for a complete slow-build kit |
Terry,
I have been working in the same situation as you: half of a two car garage. I retained
the current shipping crate (I am building from component kits). I placed
it outside the garage and covered it with a large polyvinyl sheet, taped to
prevent water penetration, but still accessible to retrieve parts as needed.
It worked for me.
Jay in Dallas
Do not archive
Terry Phillips <ttp44@rkymtn.net> wrote:
>
>I have a pretty mundane question.
>
>I'm expecting delivery of my complete 601XL slow-build kit in a couple of
>weeks. I will need to build shelving (or whatever) to hold all the parts
>while I build the airframe. I would like to know how others have stored
>complete kits, without completely filling up the garage.
>
>How many shelves or bins, what size and shape? I have half of a 2-car
>garage to hold the storage and my 4'x12' work bench. Pictures would be
>great. Thanks for your sharing your experience.
>
>
>Terry Phillips
>ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
>Corvallis MT
>Just starting a 601 kit
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site |
Don't mean to be a dummy, but does this site have anything relevant to the
CH640? I just found out that the 640 is a Zenair Ltd. "exclusive".
You can't even get a 640 rudder builder class at the Mexico MO location, so
I was wondering if they treated the builder support info the same way.
I was at first in love with the 801, but after careful consideration of our
past (and future) flying mission profiles, I would be better served by the
640 features.
My intent is to get as much prior knowledge as I can to plan my shop, tools,
panel, power plant systems in advance.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!
Craig Smith
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Race
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 9:49 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site
For a quick link to the "Builders Info Site" save the following link and
make it easy to get there:
www.zenithair.com/builder-secure/
>From there you will be ask for your Username and Password.
If you don't have one contact Shirley at Zenith.
George
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| Subject: | Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site |
Sorry pilot4pay, there isn't any 640 info on the site.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92424#92424
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| Subject: | Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site |
The 640 info seems to be here. http://www.zenair.com/builders.html
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92425#92425
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| Subject: | Re: Shelving required for a complete slow-build kit |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Phillips" <ttp44@rkymtn.net>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Shelving required for a complete slow-build kit
>
> I have a pretty mundane question.
>
> I'm expecting delivery of my complete 601XL slow-build kit in a couple of
> weeks. I will need to build shelving (or whatever) to hold all the parts
> while I build the airframe. I would like to know how others have stored
> complete kits, without completely filling up the garage.
>
> How many shelves or bins, what size and shape? I have half of a 2-car
> garage to hold the storage and my 4'x12' work bench. Pictures would be
> great. Thanks for your sharing your experience.
>
>
> Terry Phillips
> ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
> Corvallis MT
> Just starting a 601 kit
>
>
> --
3:42 PM
>
>
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| Subject: | Shelving for 601 project |
With regard to Terry Phillips' inquiry: I framed several shelves with
cheap 2x2s from Lowe's, then used the plywood from the boxes of the
various kits for the actual shelving. Plywood gussets reinforce the
joints in the framing. The plywood is flimsy, but the components are
light, for the most part. I even built a light-duty workbench for the
electrical part of the job that way. Building from component kits, I
had plenty of scruffy plywood to work with. I also made 2 horizontal
platforms to set on top of the wing center section stubs of my 601HD.
They make it easier to kneel there while working inside the cockpit
area. I realize that that's not an option for an XL.
A person could rip the 2x4s from the kit boxes to obtain most of the
2x2s for framing the shelves. I sold my radial arm saw to make room for
the airplane in my 2-car garage, so didn't do that.
As far as sizes, 18x48 has proven pretty handy for me.
George Swinford
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| Subject: | Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site |
Thanks for the link. I've already been there and the information is pretty
limited in scope and detail.
In the meantime, I'm learning from all of you building the other aircraft.
I'm sure that a lot of Chris's design and construction methods are common to
all models, just the details will be different. Thanks again.
Craig Smith
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gig Giacona
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 4:19 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site
The 640 info seems to be here. http://www.zenair.com/builders.html
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92425#92425
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| Subject: | Carb Heat on Rotax 912 ULS? |
Dear Listers,
I am installing 912 ULS on a CH 701. Due to its cost and perhaps
debatable utility, I have been advised to leave it off. I sure would
like to hear some comments from the list as to whether this is a good
approach.
I am taking lessons in an Evektor Sportstar with 912S engine. So far,
we have never used the carb heat. I am flying in Goldsboro, NC. That
is about 60 miles east of Raleigh. As I recall flying the Continental
O-200, we used carb heat anytime under 2K rpm.
The POH on the Sportstar only requires carb heat if you suspect icing.
i.e. engine starting to lose power and run rough.
Many thanks,
Ken Arnold
Pikeville, NC
Building CH701 - hoping to fly it in May, 07
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| Subject: | Re: Carb Heat on Rotax 912 ULS? |
Ken.=0A =0ANot sure who advised you to leave off the carb heat, sounds like
Zenith. For some reason they (Zenith) have not been supporting the carb h
eat/cold air intake on the 701. The Rotax 912ULS comes with a manifold tha
t is just for that purpose. According to Rotax you will not get all the 100
HP you paid for on the 912ULS with out this manifold.=0A =0AZenith first s
aid it wouldn't fit under the cowling, a fellow 701 builder down the street
fit it under his just fine. Now they (Zenith) have developed a new cowlin
g and still don't support the cold air intake. So that 100 HP you paid dea
rly for, is only giving you about 90 HP on take off.=0A =0AThat is the bigg
est reason I bought my Rotax and FWF from SkyShops.=0A =0AMark S.=0A701/912
ULS=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Ken Arnold <arno7452@bellso
uth.net>=0ATo: Zenith List <zenith-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Friday, Febr
uary 2, 2007 2:09:14 PM=0ASubject: Zenith-List: Carb Heat on Rotax 912 ULS?
=0A=0A=0ADear Listers,=0A =0AI am installing 912 ULS on a CH 701. Due to i
ts cost and perhaps debatable utility, I have been advised to leave it off.
I sure would like to hear some comments from the list as to whether this
is a good approach.=0A =0AI am taking lessons in an Evektor Sportstar with
912S engine. So far, we have never used the carb heat. I am flying in Gol
dsboro, NC. That is about 60 miles east of Raleigh. As I recall flying th
e Continental O-200, we used carb heat anytime under 2K rpm. =0A =0AThe POH
on the Sportstar only requires carb heat if you suspect icing. i.e. engin
e starting to lose power and run rough.=0A =0AMany thanks,=0AKen Arnold=0AP
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 differences |
Rotax makes 5 versions of their 912 engine according to
http://www.rotec.com/engines/4stroke.htm - 912UL, 912ULS, 912A,912F and
912S. The first 2 are non-certified. The 912A is JAR-22 certified, the
912F is FAR-22 certified and the 912S is FAR-33 certified. I could not find
any prices for the certified engines. My guess is because they are only
made available to OEM's. I was told by an SLSA distributor last year that
the price difference was about $10,000 and the only difference was the
addition of carb heat on the certified engine. This conversation was
regarding the 100 HP engine. This would not be the first mistake in the
Kitplanes directory. Maybe they will address it in a future issue. I
recall an old (about 1 year or so) edition of Kitplanes which made reference
to the certified and non-certified versions of this engine and reported a
substantial price premium for the certified engine. I looked for it, but
have apparently recycled it.
Dennis
On 2/2/07, Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> The 912S is the certified 100HP engiine and thte 912ULS is the
> uncertified version. The price difference shown in the ad doesn't
> sound right to me either. I went to the website for the supplier
> listed in the ad and they don't even show the 912S in their list of
> new engines available. They do however list the 912S under available
> rebuilt engines. That may account for the price difference.
>
>
> On Feb 2, 2007, at 9:26 AM, Ryan Vechinski wrote:
>
> > <brothapig@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> > In the latest issue of Kitplane, they listed a lot of different
> > engines for experimental aircraft. For the Rotax, they list both a
> > 912S and a 912ULS, with different prices. (the difference was only
> > a couple of hundred) Is there a difference between these models?
> > HP, displacement, weight were all the same. My guess would have
> > been that one was certified, but the price difference (or lack of)
> > makes me think different. Or is this just a mistake in the magazine?
> >
> > Ryan
>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL,
> RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
> do not archive.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: carb heat on 912uls |
Ken
I have about 70 hours on my 701 with 912 ULS and the Zenith recommended
intake system. I have had one instance of carb ice and was able to get
out of the icing conditions with no problem in this case. My experience
is that the carbs WILL ice with the Zenith system.
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: Carb Heat on Rotax 912 ULS? |
There is yet another way to heat the carbs, a very simple way using 12 VDC
power.
I am building a 701 with a Jabiru 2200A engine. Recently I received a carb
heat unit from Jabiru USA in Tennessee as part of my FWF kit.
I am very impressed with the "Heater Kit", it even comes with taps to thread
the holes for mounting.
I am sure that Pete at Jabiru USA can provide you with price and details.
Take a look at this UK WebSite for all the details on the heater unit.
http://www.jabiru.co.uk/other/carb_ice_eliminator.htm
I am sure this is yet another way to make sure you do not have ANY carb ice
formation, without a muffler muff and all the associated stuff that goes
with it.
George
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| Subject: | Re: Shelving required for a complete slow-build kit |
I stored everything but sheet metal and canopy on a shelf under the work
bench and on the floor under the bench.
Clyde Barcus
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Phillips" <ttp44@rkymtn.net>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 1:16 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Shelving required for a complete slow-build kit
>
> I have a pretty mundane question.
>
> I'm expecting delivery of my complete 601XL slow-build kit in a couple of
> weeks. I will need to build shelving (or whatever) to hold all the parts
> while I build the airframe. I would like to know how others have stored
> complete kits, without completely filling up the garage.
>
> How many shelves or bins, what size and shape? I have half of a 2-car
> garage to hold the storage and my 4'x12' work bench. Pictures would be
> great. Thanks for your sharing your experience.
>
>
> Terry Phillips
> ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
> Corvallis MT
> Just starting a 601 kit
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site |
Craig the only 640 workshop is held at Can-Zac Aviation. We support and
offer the complete Zenith and Zenair line of aircraft.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
HYPERLINK
"mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com
HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of C Smith
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 3:49 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site
Don=92t mean to be a dummy, but does this site have anything relevant to
the CH640? I just found out that the 640 is a Zenair Ltd.
=93exclusive=94.
You can=92t even get a 640 rudder builder class at the Mexico MO
location,
so I was wondering if they treated the builder support info the same
way.
I was at first in love with the 801, but after careful consideration of
our past (and future) flying mission profiles, I would be better served
by the 640 features.
My intent is to get as much prior knowledge as I can to plan my shop,
tools, panel, power plant systems in advance.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!
Craig Smith
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Race
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 9:49 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site
For a quick link to the "Builders Info Site" save the following link and
make it easy to get there:
HYPERLINK
"http://www.zenithair.com/builder-secure/"www.zenithair.com/builder-secu
re/
>From there you will be ask for your Username and Password.
If you don't have one contact Shirley at Zenith.
George
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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/Navigator?Zenith-List
"http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Info? |
I assume you've looked at the specs on the Zenith website
On the certified side the Cont 0-200 and Lyc 235 are the most common.
There is a link to a number of other engine choices at
Tim Juhl
Jabiru 3300A
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92487#92487
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Try these: This one lists differences of many engine types.
http://home.adelphia.net/~aeroengine/index.html
This one lists weights and horsepower.
http://www.wanttaja.com/avlinks/engines.htm#Engines2
Maybe start at Ron Wattaja's home page. http://www.wattaja.com
Bob D.
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| Subject: | Re: engine info? (#2) |
This is a Lyc list and is fairly complete.
http://www.prime-mover.org/Engines/Lycoming/Lyc_Cert_list.html
Bob D
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| Subject: | Drill Bit Durability |
Can anyone who has finished their aircraft give me a ballpark idea of how
many holes I should typically be able to get out of a hi-moly drill bit (#30
and #20)?
Thanks,
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Carb Heat on Rotax 912 ULS? |
In a message dated 2/2/2007 5:11:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
arno7452@bellsouth.net writes:
Ken,
I have the 701 with the firewall forward package from Czech works and it
came with the carb heat box. Had to use it a month ago while doing some touch
and goes and some engine out practice. While taking back off from the runway she
stumbled a bit,pulled the carb heat and she cleared right up. The advantage
to using the box with this firewall forward package is that you are not
sucking in heated air all the time, which allows you to develop more HP. Not sure
what setup you have and are installing. I also recommend installing a oil
cooler thermostat, this helps in getting your oil temps up quicker and not
having to tape off your oil cooler in the cooler weather. I might even consider
the ring mount engine mount. looks like a lot more room to get things run.
Bob Spudis
N701ZX/912uls/100hrs
Dear Listers,
I am installing 912 ULS on a CH 701. Due to its cost and perhaps debatable
utility, I have been advised to leave it off. I sure would like to hear some
comments from the list as to whether this is a good approach.
I am taking lessons in an Evektor Sportstar with 912S engine. So far, we
have never used the carb heat. I am flying in Goldsboro, NC. That is about 60
miles east of Raleigh. As I recall flying the Continental O-200, we used
carb heat anytime under 2K rpm.
The POH on the Sportstar only requires carb heat if you suspect icing. i.e.
engine starting to lose power and run rough.
Many thanks,
Ken Arnold
Pikeville, NC
Building CH701 - hoping to fly it in May, 07
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| Subject: | Re: Drill Bit Durability |
Hi Dave,
I use the threaded drill bits meant for aircraft use. I don't think
they are particularly hard alloys, but they work really well and
don't have problems slipping in your drill chuck as you finish each hole.
I start each hole with a #40 drill. I then use #30 and optionally
#20 to enlarge the holes. This means I virtually never need to
sharpen or replace anything but the #40 drills. I sharpen the #40s
using a bench grinder - maybe once a month - when they get dull. I
am more likely to break one than to sharpen it too many times. I
keep a supply of 2 or 3 spares and order more once a year or so. I
am still on my first #30 and #20.
I highly recommend you consider buying the right angle drill gizmo
from Aircraft Spruce that comes with adapters and a few screw mount
drill bits. I think the ones threaded 1/4 x 28 are the best
choice. Take a look:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/tightfittoolkit.php
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
At 06:57 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>Can anyone who has finished their aircraft give me a ballpark idea
>of how many holes I should typically be able to get out of a hi-moly
>drill bit (#30 and #20)?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dave
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Re: Shelving required for a complete slow-build kit |
Terry,
I built 633Z in a 10' x 20' tent in 7 months in 2003 from a kit.
(http://www.eaa.org/homebuilders/list/Zenith%20Zodiac%20CH%20601%20XL_Edwards.asp)
I used a 4' x 12' work table with a shelf underneath.
I put the sheet metal on the floor under the table and on the shelf.
I stored some miscellaneous parts on the shelf.
There were some 3 boxes of small parts that I left stored in the boxes.
I stowed the finished rudder, elevator and wings on the side of the tent.
When I got to the point that I could put the fuselage on the floor
I moved the work table outside.
Here's a picture of the work table:
http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/workshop_small.jpg
and a picture of the plane on the floor:
http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/in_tent2_small.jpg
see all thumbnails: http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/index_thumbnail.html
Later ask about my 2 failed stock mufflers, failed nose gear bearings,
dirty carb stumble, brake line failure, failed starter, bad nose fork,
and the Zenith grin!
Hope to go flying tomorrow!
Cheers, Joe E
N633Z @ BFI
CH601XL 424 hours
Jabiru 3300, Sensenich 64x49 wood prop
do not archive
On Fri, 2 Feb 2007, Terry Phillips wrote:
> I'm expecting delivery of my complete 601XL slow-build kit in a couple of
> weeks. I will need to build shelving (or whatever) to hold all the parts
> while I build the airframe. I would like to know how others have stored
> complete kits, without completely filling up the garage.
> How many shelves or bins, what size and shape? I have half of a 2-car
> garage to hold the storage and my 4'x12' work bench. Pictures would be
> great. Thanks for your sharing your experience.
> Terry Phillips
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