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1. 05:21 AM - Re: Methods of leveling (Ron Lendon)
2. 07:43 AM - Re: Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site (C Smith)
3. 08:11 AM - Re: Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site (ZodieRocket)
4. 08:23 AM - Re: Drill Bit Durability (Edward Moody II)
5. 08:40 AM - Re: Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site (Edward Moody II)
6. 09:40 AM - Final assembly: Rear spar bolt (Martin Pohl)
7. 09:46 AM - Re: Shelving required for a complete slow-build kit (George Swinford)
8. 10:45 AM - Re: Drill Bit Durability (Aaron Gustafson)
9. 11:05 AM - Re: Drill Bit Durability (Jaybannist@cs.com)
10. 12:44 PM - Re: Drill Bit Durability (Bill Naumuk)
11. 12:59 PM - Re: Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site (Danny Offill)
12. 12:59 PM - electric carb heater (Neitzel)
13. 01:37 PM - Cutout in the Canopy inside flashing (deglass1)
14. 01:44 PM - Re: Final assembly: Rear spar bolt (Al Young)
15. 02:15 PM - Re: Final assembly: Rear spar bolt (Bryan Martin)
16. 02:16 PM - Re: Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site (Christian Tremblay)
17. 02:21 PM - Re: Final assembly: Rear spar bolt (LarryMcFarland)
18. 02:57 PM - Drill Bit Durability (Scott Laughlin)
19. 03:14 PM - Re: Cutout in the Canopy inside flashing (Jaybannist@cs.com)
20. 03:21 PM - Re: Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site (C Smith)
21. 03:41 PM - Re: Final assembly: Rear spar bolt (T. Graziano)
22. 04:32 PM - Re: Final assembly: Rear spar bolt (Tim Juhl)
23. 05:19 PM - Re: Carb Heat on Rotax 912 ULS? ()
24. 05:27 PM - Re: Cutout in the Canopy inside flashing ()
25. 06:00 PM - Re: Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site (Doug Geese)
26. 08:37 PM - Re: Final assembly: Rear spar bolt (T. Graziano)
27. 10:04 PM - Re: Carb Heat on Rotax 912 ULS? (David X)
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| Subject: | Re: Methods of leveling |
Herb,
Thanks for the leveling insight.
I used your method of Arbor Press riveting this year and it worked out great.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site |
Thanks Mark, I was confident that you folks were there to support the entire
Zenith line, it's just that the Mexico MO people don't support the 640.
I was hoping to find just a little more detail on what I'm getting into with
the 640. The Zenith-air secure builder site is everything but the 640. the
info on the Zenair builders resources is , well "limited". Not trying to be
critical, or accusatory, I'm just intensely curious.
I recently gave up my "04 182 turbo with G1000 glass. My plans for the 640
include either the G600 or G900x panel, and an Innodyn turbine for power. I
like to plan ahead for budgetary and logistical concerns. I still have my
hangar at the airport, where I plan to set up the shop. So right now I'm
just vacuuming up all the info I can. I'm going to try to get down to
Sun-n-Fun to see you folks there, but more likely the money for that trip
will be better saved up for a rudder class after you get done down south.
The good news for me is Can-Zac is closer than Mexico MO. The biggest hurdle
are the customs guys at the border who seem to delight in harassing
Americans.
Then I have to deal with US customs bringing back the rudder. I can't
imagine what kind of event they'll blow that up to. Probably ask me to open
up skins to look for explosives.
Any way, I'm looking forward to this project. After loosing my plane, I'm
going through withdrawal symptoms from not flying.
Craig Smith
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ZodieRocket
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 8:15 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site
Craig the only 640 workshop is held at Can-Zac Aviation. We support and
offer the complete Zenith and Zenair line of aircraft.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com <http://www.can-zacaviation.com/>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of C Smith
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 3:49 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site
Don't mean to be a dummy, but does this site have anything relevant to the
CH640? I just found out that the 640 is a Zenair Ltd. "exclusive".
You can't even get a 640 rudder builder class at the Mexico MO location, so
I was wondering if they treated the builder support info the same way.
I was at first in love with the 801, but after careful consideration of our
past (and future) flying mission profiles, I would be better served by the
640 features.
My intent is to get as much prior knowledge as I can to plan my shop, tools,
panel, power plant systems in advance.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!
Craig Smith
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Race
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 9:49 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site
For a quick link to the "Builders Info Site" save the following link and
make it easy to get there:
www.zenithair.com/builder-secure/
>From there you will be ask for your Username and Password.
If you don't have one contact Shirley at Zenith.
George
- The Zenith-List Email Forum -
--> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
- NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
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| Subject: | Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site |
Sorry Group the rest of this exchange will be taken off list. But if
others have questions, please don=92t hesitate to contact me directly.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
HYPERLINK
"mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com
HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com
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| Subject: | Re: Drill Bit Durability |
And don't spin them as fast as an airdrill or a high speed electric
drill can. The heat of too high a speed shortens the cutting life.
Before you ask what rpm is best, I just learned from my dad saying "slow
it dow.... where's the fire?" so it's become a listen and feel thing
for me but I'd guess you're safe around 650 -800 rpm.
Dred
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Mulwitz
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Drill Bit Durability
Hi Dave,
I use the threaded drill bits meant for aircraft use. I don't think
they are particularly hard alloys, but they work really well and don't
have problems slipping in your drill chuck as you finish each hole.
I start each hole with a #40 drill. I then use #30 and optionally #20
to enlarge the holes. This means I virtually never need to sharpen or
replace anything but the #40 drills. I sharpen the #40s using a bench
grinder - maybe once a month - when they get dull. I am more likely to
break one than to sharpen it too many times. I keep a supply of 2 or 3
spares and order more once a year or so. I am still on my first #30 and
#20.
I highly recommend you consider buying the right angle drill gizmo
from Aircraft Spruce that comes with adapters and a few screw mount
drill bits. I think the ones threaded 1/4 x 28 are the best choice.
Take a look:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/tightfittoolkit.php
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
At 06:57 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
Can anyone who has finished their aircraft give me a ballpark idea
of how many holes I should typically be able to get out of a hi-moly
drill bit (#30 and #20)?
Thanks,
Dave
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site |
Lots of photos of the rudder class and the build in progress might make
things move more smoothly at the border crossing. Make sure your face is
clear in some of the photos as an ID feature.
Dred
----- Original Message -----
From: C Smith
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 9:42 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site
Thanks Mark, I was confident that you folks were there to support the
entire Zenith line, it's just that the Mexico MO people don't support
the 640.
I was hoping to find just a little more detail on what I'm getting
into with the 640. The Zenith-air secure builder site is everything but
the 640. the info on the Zenair builders resources is , well "limited".
Not trying to be critical, or accusatory, I'm just intensely curious.
I recently gave up my "04 182 turbo with G1000 glass. My plans for the
640 include either the G600 or G900x panel, and an Innodyn turbine for
power. I like to plan ahead for budgetary and logistical concerns. I
still have my hangar at the airport, where I plan to set up the shop. So
right now I'm just vacuuming up all the info I can. I'm going to try to
get down to Sun-n-Fun to see you folks there, but more likely the money
for that trip will be better saved up for a rudder class after you get
done down south.
The good news for me is Can-Zac is closer than Mexico MO. The biggest
hurdle are the customs guys at the border who seem to delight in
harassing Americans.
Then I have to deal with US customs bringing back the rudder. I can't
imagine what kind of event they'll blow that up to. Probably ask me to
open up skins to look for explosives.
Any way, I'm looking forward to this project. After loosing my plane,
I'm going through withdrawal symptoms from not flying.
Craig Smith
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ZodieRocket
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 8:15 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site
Craig the only 640 workshop is held at Can-Zac Aviation. We support
and offer the complete Zenith and Zenair line of aircraft.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of C Smith
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 3:49 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site
Don't mean to be a dummy, but does this site have anything relevant to
the CH640? I just found out that the 640 is a Zenair Ltd. "exclusive".
You can't even get a 640 rudder builder class at the Mexico MO
location, so I was wondering if they treated the builder support info
the same way.
I was at first in love with the 801, but after careful consideration
of our past (and future) flying mission profiles, I would be better
served by the 640 features.
My intent is to get as much prior knowledge as I can to plan my shop,
tools, panel, power plant systems in advance.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!
Craig Smith
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Race
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 9:49 AM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site
For a quick link to the "Builders Info Site" save the following link
and make it easy to get there:
www.zenithair.com/builder-secure/
From there you will be ask for your Username and Password.
If you don't have one contact Shirley at Zenith.
George
- The Zenith-List Email Forum - -->
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List - NEW
MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Final assembly: Rear spar bolt |
Hi everybody
I just had a look through the "Final Assembly" drawing supplement (provided by
CZAW) and did not understand one item:
It seems like as the rear spar bolt is screwed in the rear spar/rear spar attachment
bracket without nut?! The parts list also shows no nuts for the rear spar
bolt? In addition I don't see a cutout in the lower skin (at the wing root)
that would provide access for the installation of the nut.
Could somebody help me out of this confusion? I cannot believe that a bolt can
be installed without counterpart-nut.
Cheers from Switzerland
Martin
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Martin Pohl
Zodiac XL QBK
8645 Jona, Switzerland
www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL
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| Subject: | Re: Shelving required for a complete slow-build kit |
Good flying, Joe. Don't get wet.
George
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----- Original Message -----
From: "xl" <xl@prosody.org>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Shelving required for a complete slow-build kit
>
>
> Terry,
>
> I built 633Z in a 10' x 20' tent in 7 months in 2003 from a kit.
>
(http://www.eaa.org/homebuilders/list/Zenith%20Zodiac%20CH%20601%20XL_Edward
s.asp)
>
> I used a 4' x 12' work table with a shelf underneath.
> I put the sheet metal on the floor under the table and on the shelf.
> I stored some miscellaneous parts on the shelf.
>
> There were some 3 boxes of small parts that I left stored in the boxes.
>
> I stowed the finished rudder, elevator and wings on the side of the tent.
>
> When I got to the point that I could put the fuselage on the floor
> I moved the work table outside.
>
> Here's a picture of the work table:
> http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/workshop_small.jpg
> and a picture of the plane on the floor:
> http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/in_tent2_small.jpg
> see all thumbnails: http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/index_thumbnail.html
>
> Later ask about my 2 failed stock mufflers, failed nose gear bearings,
> dirty carb stumble, brake line failure, failed starter, bad nose fork,
> and the Zenith grin!
>
> Hope to go flying tomorrow!
>
> Cheers, Joe E
> N633Z @ BFI
> CH601XL 424 hours
> Jabiru 3300, Sensenich 64x49 wood prop
> do not archive
>
>
> On Fri, 2 Feb 2007, Terry Phillips wrote:
> > I'm expecting delivery of my complete 601XL slow-build kit in a couple
of
> > weeks. I will need to build shelving (or whatever) to hold all the parts
> > while I build the airframe. I would like to know how others have stored
> > complete kits, without completely filling up the garage.
> > How many shelves or bins, what size and shape? I have half of a 2-car
> > garage to hold the storage and my 4'x12' work bench. Pictures would be
> > great. Thanks for your sharing your experience.
> > Terry Phillips
>
>
> --
3:31 PM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Drill Bit Durability |
----- Original Message ----- And don't spin them as fast as an airdrill
or a high speed electric drill can
I on the other hand spin them about 10,000 RPM (see my high speed drill
in the photo archives) and may have replaced a couple bits in a whole
scratch built project. They don't get very hot in 1/2 second.
Aaron Gustafson 601 HD plans "fly in the spring" today 6 degrees F
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| Subject: | Re: Drill Bit Durability |
To answer the original question:
I don't tolerate dull bits very well and I don't sharpen them.
I have probably used 5 or 6 each of #30 & #40 bits, and 3 or 4 #20. Again, I used
fewer #20s because they were always used in pre-drilled holes.
Jay in Dallas
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| Subject: | Re: Drill Bit Durability |
Aaron-
You must live in a temperate region! I didn't have any temperature
when I got up this morning.
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Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron Gustafson
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Drill Bit Durability
----- Original Message ----- And don't spin them as fast as an
airdrill or a high speed electric drill can
I on the other hand spin them about 10,000 RPM (see my high speed
drill in the photo archives) and may have replaced a couple bits in a
whole scratch built project. They don't get very hot in 1/2 second.
Aaron Gustafson 601 HD plans "fly in the spring" today 6 degrees F
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| Subject: | Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site |
I must be slow to understand the builders web site but I can't seem to find
the info that was referenced on the builders site. I get logged in but
where do I go next.
Danny in Texas
601XL tail section
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of George Race
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 8:49 AM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site
For a quick link to the "Builders Info Site" save the following link and
make it easy to get there:
www.zenithair.com/builder-secure/
From there you will be ask for your Username and Password.
If you don't have one contact Shirley at Zenith.
George
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| Subject: | electric carb heater |
Greetings all,
Someone asked about carb heat for a 912 and someone else mentioned the
resistive unit for a Jabiru. I also just received this heater for my
Jab and ran some preliminary tests to determine current draw and will
also pass along the dimensions. It is cylindrical, 30 mm in diameter
and 30 mm tall, weighing 70 grams. Attachment is with two bolts to the
side of the carb using the included taps. There are two electrical
connections using the body of the cylinder for ground. The two coils
can be operated independently which allows for a high and low setting.
When the unit is cold the resistance of each coil is 8.6 Ohms for a
current draw of 3.5 Amps. As the temperature increases the impedance
rapidly decreases to 4.7 Ohms, however, the current draw dropped to 2.0
Amps. Cold current drain on high results in a rather high figure of 7
amps but tapers off a bit after it heats up. The kit was very complete
with switches, a chunk of wire, fuse holder and all necessary electrical
connectors. I was disappointed with the two SPST switches. I have
already replaced them with a DPDT so as to only take up one of my
switch locations.
The current drain of two units operating on high for the 912 might put a
bit of a strain on the electrical system.
Hope this is useful
Dick Neitzel
Sayner, WI
701 Jab 2200
N963WB
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| Subject: | Cutout in the Canopy inside flashing |
Im finally at the point of installing the canopy on the XL. In the photo guide
for the inside flashing, there are alternate ways to cut out over or around the
latch frame. Please advise which way you did it, and how you would do it if
you had it to do over.
The latch frame is thicker than the square tubing, so a cutout seems like it would
leave a step up at that point in the inside flashing. Cutting around the
entire latch frame would make a flatter flashing, but may not look as good.
Also, the inside flashing with its reinforcing L pinch the plexi against the outside
flashing. Does the top flange of the inside flashing need to be trimmed
back to keep the inside flashing's main flange parallel to the outer flashing?
Thanks for any advice you can give -
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David Glass
Forest, VA
Zodiac XL - N253DG reserved
On the gear, ready for tail and cables 12/06
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| Subject: | Re: Final assembly: Rear spar bolt |
Martin- My old plans call for one AN5-7A per wing. (See 6-S-3 ) You will
have to cut out a small area in the rear lower wing skin (approximately 2" X
3" just behind part # 6B5-4 in order to get a washer and nut on the bolt. I
used a pair of long nosed pliars to put the washer on the bolt and used a
closed end wrench with a piece of tape on the back side to hold the nut in
the wrench. Had a friend turn the bolt into the nut with a socket wrench
from the outside. Do all this before you install the flaps. I had no
problem. Good luck!
Al Young
N601AY
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Pohl" <mpohl@pohltec.ch>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 11:37 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Final assembly: Rear spar bolt
>
> Hi everybody
>
> I just had a look through the "Final Assembly" drawing supplement
> (provided by CZAW) and did not understand one item:
>
> It seems like as the rear spar bolt is screwed in the rear spar/rear spar
> attachment bracket without nut?! The parts list also shows no nuts for the
> rear spar bolt? In addition I don't see a cutout in the lower skin (at the
> wing root) that would provide access for the installation of the nut.
>
> Could somebody help me out of this confusion? I cannot believe that a bolt
> can be installed without counterpart-nut.
>
> Cheers from Switzerland
> Martin
>
> --------
> Martin Pohl
> Zodiac XL QBK
> 8645 Jona, Switzerland
> www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92621#92621
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Final assembly: Rear spar bolt |
I cut a hole through the fuselage side skin behind the seat to get
access for that bolt. That way there's no exposed hole on the underside
of the wing. As I recall, I put the bolt through from the inside and put
the nut on the outside where I could inspect it easier.
>
> Martin- My old plans call for one AN5-7A per wing. (See 6-S-3 ) You
> will have to cut out a small area in the rear lower wing skin
> (approximately 2" X 3" just behind part # 6B5-4 in order to get a washer
> and nut on the bolt.
>
>>
>> It seems like as the rear spar bolt is screwed in the rear spar/rear
>> spar attachment bracket without nut?!
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Bryan Martin
Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
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| Subject: | Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site |
Hi Craig,
I am a builder from plan of the CH640. I have done rudder and tail wing,
Center Web Spar and working on wings. You can find some information on
my
web site ' more than 125 photos. If you want to prepare and construct
I
suggest to visit mine, I will be happy to answer your questions the
better
that I can inside my limited experience.
Note : I exchange info with 3-4 others guys who build from plan.
Christian Tremblay
A guy who build a CH640 aircraft from plan
http://www.zodiac640.com/
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de C Smith
Envoy=E9 : Friday, February 02, 2007 3:49 PM
=C0 : zenith-list@matronics.com
Objet : RE: Zenith-List: Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site
Don=92t mean to be a dummy, but does this site have anything relevant to
the
CH640? I just found out that the 640 is a Zenair Ltd. =93exclusive=94.
You can=92t even get a 640 rudder builder class at the Mexico MO
location, so
I was wondering if they treated the builder support info the same way.
I was at first in love with the 801, but after careful consideration of
our
past (and future) flying mission profiles, I would be better served by
the
640 features.
My intent is to get as much prior knowledge as I can to plan my shop,
tools,
panel, power plant systems in advance.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!
Craig Smith
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Race
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 9:49 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site
For a quick link to the "Builders Info Site" save the following link and
make it easy to get there:
www.zenithair.com/builder-secure/
>From there you will be ask for your Username and Password.
If you don't have one contact Shirley at Zenith.
George
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| Subject: | Re: Final assembly: Rear spar bolt |
Al Young wrote:
>
> Martin- My old plans call for one AN5-7A per wing. (See 6-S-3 ) You
> will have to cut out a small area in the rear lower wing skin
> (approximately 2" X 3" just behind part # 6B5-4 in order to get a
> washer and nut on the bolt. I used a pair of long nosed pliars to put
> the washer on the bolt and used a closed end wrench with a piece of
> tape on the back side to hold the nut in the wrench. Had a friend
> turn the bolt into the nut with a socket wrench from the outside. Do
> all this before you install the flaps. I had no problem. Good luck!
> Al Young
> N601AY
>
> Hi Martin,
I placed a plate nut on the back side of the rear spar, fit the bolt
thru from the front side and wing joint access.
This for a HDS, but your bird might work from the same premise.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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>
>>
>> Hi everybody
>>
>> I just had a look through the "Final Assembly" drawing supplement
>> (provided by CZAW) and did not understand one item:
>>
>> It seems like as the rear spar bolt is screwed in the rear spar/rear
>> spar attachment bracket without nut?! The parts list also shows no
>> nuts for the rear spar bolt? In addition I don't see a cutout in the
>> lower skin (at the wing root) that would provide access for the
>> installation of the nut.
>>
>> Could somebody help me out of this confusion? I cannot believe that a
>> bolt can be installed without counterpart-nut.
>>
>> Cheers from Switzerland
>> Martin
>>
>> --------
>> Martin Pohl
>> Zodiac XL QBK
>> 8645 Jona, Switzerland
>> www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92621#92621
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Drill Bit Durability |
Dave:
I built both wings and half my fuselage with one drill bit of each size.
When I lost one, I ordered two more and finished the plane. Buy three or
four of each and don't lose them and you will be good to go.
Scott Laughlin
CH601XL
Omaha, Nebraska
www.cooknwithgas.com
Still Polishing
Time: 06:58:40 PM PST US
From: "Dave VanLanen" <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Drill Bit Durability
Can anyone who has finished their aircraft give me a ballpark idea of how
many holes I should typically be able to get out of a hi-moly drill bit (#30
and #20)?
Thanks,
Dave
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| Subject: | Cutout in the Canopy inside flashing |
Dvid,
I think this is the latch problem you are talking about. I have attached three
photos to show what I did with it. Hope they are not too large for some of you.
I made two fiberglass covers. I later discovered that I needed to cut off one
corner to clear the slot for emergency release of the canopy. The fiberglass
covers are not attached yet, but you can see how they will clean up the area.
Jay in Dallas
"deglass1" <deglass1@aol.com> wrote:
>
>Im finally at the point of installing the canopy on the XL. In the photo guide
for the inside flashing, there are alternate ways to cut out over or around
the latch frame. Please advise which way you did it, and how you would do it
if you had it to do over.
>The latch frame is thicker than the square tubing, so a cutout seems like it would
leave a step up at that point in the inside flashing. Cutting around the
entire latch frame would make a flatter flashing, but may not look as good.
>Also, the inside flashing with its reinforcing L pinch the plexi against the outside
flashing. Does the top flange of the inside flashing need to be trimmed
back to keep the inside flashing's main flange parallel to the outer flashing?
>
>Thanks for any advice you can give -
>
>--------
>David Glass
>Forest, VA
>Zodiac XL - N253DG reserved
>On the gear, ready for tail and cables 12/06
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92673#92673
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site |
Hey, Thanks for the contact. You truly are an intrepid builder to go the
plans rout. Much respect for you!
Craig Smith
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Christian
Tremblay
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 5:16 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site
Hi Craig,
I am a builder from plan of the CH640. I have done rudder and tail wing,
Center Web Spar and working on wings. You can find some information on my
web site - more than 125 photos. If you want to prepare and construct I
suggest to visit mine, I will be happy to answer your questions the better
that I can inside my limited experience.
Note : I exchange info with 3-4 others guys who build from plan.
Christian Tremblay
A guy who build a CH640 aircraft from plan
http://www.zodiac640.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Final assembly: Rear spar bolt |
Martin,On my 6-W-0 dwg dated 12/02, in the lower left hand corner is
note "40x20 CUTOUT FOR ACCESS TO REAR SPAR WING ATTACHMENT BOLT' After
assembly, I covered this cutout with a piece of Aluminum tape. I remove
the tape for inspections. On 6-S-3 there is also a note "ACCESS CUTOUT
IN BOTTOM SKIN 6W8-2, SEE 6-W-0Dwg 6-S-3 does not show the nuts to be
used with the AN5-5A bolts,(on my dwg there is also no nut callout shown
for the spar attach AN5 bolts); but self locking nuts are intended to be
used. I believe that the general construction guidelines maycall out for
the use of AN self locking nuts (and washer use criteria) on AN bolts,
unless otherwise indicated on the drawing to use some other nut/washer
combination.Tony Graziano601XL; 204 hrs-----------Hi everybody I just
had a look through the "Final Assembly" drawing supplement (provided
byCZAW) and did not understand one item: It seems like as the rear spar
bolt is screwed in the rear spar/rear spar attachmentbracket without
nut?! The parts list also shows no nuts for the rear sparbolt? In
addition I don't see a cutout in the lower skin (at the wing root)that
would provide access for the installation of the nut. Could somebody
help me out of this confusion? I cannot believe that a bolt canbe
installed without counterpart-nut. Cheers from SwitzerlandMartin
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| Subject: | Re: Final assembly: Rear spar bolt |
Using any of the access methods described are you able to get a torque wrench on
it?
Tim
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Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Working on wings
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| Subject: | re: Carb Heat on Rotax 912 ULS? |
Ken,
Before you make your final decision on NOT installing Carb Heat, read the article
on the Flycorvair.com website. (use the link below) whether you install a Rotax,
Jabaru, Corvair or whatever, this article makes some very interesting points.
My flight instructor trained me never to guess. ALLWAYS use carb heat before any
major throttle reduction. Everyone has their opinions. I'd rather be safe than
sorry.
http://flycorvair.com/carbice.html
Dave Thompson
Westminster, Ca
Corvair Engine in parts, Rudder & just starting stab
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| Subject: | Re: Cutout in the Canopy inside flashing |
I went for full access to the latch over appearance. Sorry no good pic of
this.
I made a cut out of the inner flashing that allows finger access to open the
canopy should the cabes break and more importantly I can visually check that
the canopy latch is fully locked prior to take off.
I have seen the canopy appear to be down and locked but the latch release
lever is not fully set so it needs another compression to fully engage the
lock.
Also I added a 1/2" tubular cross bar about 8 " up the bow to set the
width of the canopy firmly. It is also useful for compressing the locks.
And with a small nylon rope attached, it prevents the wind from catching the
canopy when open on the ground and possibly straining the hinges.
Gary Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: "deglass1" <deglass1@aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 4:36 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Cutout in the Canopy inside flashing
>
> I?Tm finally at the point of installing the canopy on the XL. In the
photo guide for the inside flashing, there are alternate ways to cut out
over or around the latch frame. Please advise which way you did it, and how
you would do it if you had it to do over.
> The latch frame is thicker than the square tubing, so a cutout seems like
it would leave a step up at that point in the inside flashing. Cutting
around the entire latch frame would make a flatter flashing, but may not
look as good.
> Also, the inside flashing with its reinforcing L ?opinch? the plexi
against the outside flashing. Does the top flange of the inside flashing
need to be trimmed back to keep the inside flashing's main flange parallel
to the outer flashing?
>
> Thanks for any advice you can give -
>
> --------
> David Glass
> Forest, VA
> Zodiac XL - N253DG reserved
> On the gear, ready for tail and cables 12/06
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92673#92673
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site |
Craig,
I=92m a 640 builder located in Northeast Indiana. I am hoping to fly
mine
within the next year, so I=92m in the later building stages. My Dad is
building the 601 and the process is quite similar. I=92ve used a
website put
together by 640 builder Jeff Paden of New York to aid in the
assembly/build
process. www.madbbs.com/~jpaden As far as crossing the border, I=92ve
done
it twice. The first was with my wing kit in an enclosed trailer and the
second with my canopy kit. The folks at Zenair prepare you well with
the
appropriate documentation to get you through customs. I would highly
recommend a trip to Zenair to view the factory and if nothing else, talk
to
Mr. Heintz himself. I=92m not sure where you=92re located, but your
welcome to
come see my project. I live on an airport, so if you have something to
fly
come on over. www.tropria.com <http://www.tropria.com/>
Doug Geese
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de C Smith
Envoy=E9 : Friday, February 02, 2007 3:49 PM
=C0 : zenith-list@matronics.com
Objet : RE: Zenith-List: Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site
Don=92t mean to be a dummy, but does this site have anything relevant to
the
CH640? I just found out that the 640 is a Zenair Ltd. =93exclusive=94.
You can=92t even get a 640 rudder builder class at the Mexico MO
location, so
I was wondering if they treated the builder support info the same way.
I was at first in love with the 801, but after careful consideration of
our
past (and future) flying mission profiles, I would be better served by
the
640 features.
My intent is to get as much prior knowledge as I can to plan my shop,
tools,
panel, power plant systems in advance.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!
Craig Smith
_____
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Race
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 9:49 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Updates on Zenith builders web site
For a quick link to the "Builders Info Site" save the following link and
make it easy to get there:
www.zenithair.com/builder-secure/
>From there you will be ask for your Username and Password.
If you don't have one contact Shirley at Zenith.
George
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| Subject: | Re: Final assembly: Rear spar bolt |
Yes. Bolt head inside facing forward, nut facing aft on spar rear
channel. Bolt is in shear. I just "snugged" and quarter turned, then
applied torque stripe/anti-sabotage paint.
Tony Graziano
-------------
Tim Juhl (juhl@avci.net)
Using any of the access methods described are you able to get a torque
wrench on
it?
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Carb Heat on Rotax 912 ULS? |
I've experienced carb icing in every airplane I ever flew on a regular basis, including
my 601 with Rotax 912S. It's usually when flying near thunder showers
when temps are in the 40s, but not always. Carb heat cleared it up every time
... and now I just turn it on automatically when I know icing is possible.
I know expense is a factor for a lot of kit builders, but some things are just
not worth skimping on.
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Zodiac 601 XL - CZAW Built - Rotax 912S
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