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1. 05:41 AM - Re: Filling in the rib ends? (ashontz)
2. 06:11 AM - Re: Electric flap actuator (ashontz)
3. 06:22 AM - Elevator trim servo (ashontz)
4. 07:09 AM - Re: Drilling plastic lens (ashontz)
5. 07:27 AM - Re: Elevator trim servo (LarryMcFarland)
6. 08:00 AM - Re: Elevator trim servo (ashontz)
7. 08:34 AM - Re: Elevator trim servo (ashontz)
8. 08:50 AM - Re: Need a BRS? (brucealee)
9. 09:40 AM - Re: Elevator trim servo (Administrator)
10. 11:01 AM - (Hans van Riet)
11. 11:38 AM - Re: (Jaybannist@cs.com)
12. 11:52 AM - Re: (japhillipsga@aol.com)
13. 11:57 AM - NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
14. 12:12 PM - Drilling wing spars (wade jones)
15. 12:46 PM - Re: (LarryMcFarland)
16. 12:56 PM - Re: ()
17. 01:06 PM - Re: (Robin Bellach)
18. 01:46 PM - Re: No Title (Gig Giacona)
19. 02:08 PM - Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems (ashontz)
20. 02:10 PM - Re: (Jaybannist@cs.com)
21. 02:10 PM - Re: No Title (ashontz)
22. 02:15 PM - Re: Sheet metal brake (ashontz)
23. 02:17 PM - Re: No Title (Gig Giacona)
24. 02:19 PM - Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems (Gig Giacona)
25. 02:20 PM - Re: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
26. 02:29 PM - Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems (ashontz)
27. 02:30 PM - Re: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
28. 02:32 PM - Re: No Title (ashontz)
29. 02:33 PM - Re: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
30. 02:35 PM - Re: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
31. 02:38 PM - Re: (Robin Bellach)
32. 02:58 PM - Re: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems (David Mikesell)
33. 03:05 PM - Re: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
34. 03:26 PM - Re: Drilling wing spars (Bill Naumuk)
35. 03:33 PM - Re: Elevator trim servo (Bill Naumuk)
36. 04:07 PM - Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems (ashontz)
37. 04:43 PM - Re: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems (Matt Stecher)
38. 05:49 PM - Re: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems (Terry Turnquist)
39. 05:50 PM - Re: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
40. 06:46 PM - Re: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems (raymondj)
41. 06:48 PM - Re: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems (Gary Ray)
42. 06:53 PM - Re: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
43. 06:56 PM - Re: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
44. 07:02 PM - Re: Locking Latch part numbers (Craig Payne)
45. 07:16 PM - Re: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems (Southern Reflections)
46. 09:31 PM - Re: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems (BadBob)
47. 09:47 PM - Re: Re: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
48. 09:49 PM - Re: Re: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
49. 09:54 PM - Re: Re: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
50. 11:19 PM - WW: Okay, We get it! (Administrator)
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| Subject: | Re: Filling in the rib ends? |
TxDave wrote:
> Hey Andy,
>
> I'm assuming you're talking about the small gap left at the trailing edge of
the control surfaces. If so, when I first started building I worried what to do
about it. I went to a hanger and looked at production aircraft (Cessna, Beech,
etc). I noticed they also had gaps between the aft end of the various control
surface ribs and the trailing edge skin. Even a multi-million dollar Pilatus
PC-12 had gaps. Attached is a photo of a Cessna 150 flap showing a pretty large
gap.
>
> If I misunderstood what you were describing, then ...never mind.
>
> Dave Clay
Actually, I believe it's preferable to leave them open for drainage just in case
water does get in there. It's not suppose to, but it can. It'd have to be perfectly
sealed (welded) to never get moisture in there. The entire structure is
link a fuel tank that breathes. Air is always going to get in there, and with
it, humidity. You want that moisture to make it way back out too. Not only breathing
of the structure but also, outright leakage, like with a car door. They
always have drain holes at the bottom, or at least should. For appearances
sake (and to cut down on rain water getting in in the first place), I'd say it's
ok to fill the top gaps of say the rudder, but the bottom should be open, because
the fuel tank-like structure will always breath in moisture and you don't
want that moisture staying in there, you want it to run out.
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| Subject: | Re: Electric flap actuator |
taffy0687(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> I'll let someone else answer about the limit switches ( I believe they would
work). But, the reason I like the way Scott did his ( build linkage so full
travel is used) is because there are less things that can go wrong ( limit switch
coming out of adjustment) or breaking etc.
>
> Fritz
> do not archive
>
>
> ---
Yes, I think a positive stop is the best. You could use a limit switch just before
the positve stop, but I'd still have a positive stop too.
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| Subject: | Elevator trim servo |
I'm thinking of using something other than an expenive Ray Allen unit. Any suggestions?
Is there a specific weight limit for how heavy the trim servo can be?
Obviously I want to install something that's light as possible and yet still
up to the task.
Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Drilling plastic lens |
shilocom(at)mcmsys.com wrote:
> Here are three methods that have worked for me.
>
> 1 Buy bits made for drilling Plexiglas
> 2. Use any standard bit, BUT.. sharpen it BACKWARDS. This means grind the
> "rake" backwards. Normally a bit is ground with the cutting edge "higher"
> than the relieved, trailing edge. Grind it backwards by making the "cutting
> edge", lower than the trailing edge. The bit has to "burn" it's way thru
> the Plexiglas, rather than "cut" it's way thru.
> 3. Run a drill backwards?
>
> Bob U.
>
> This probably works well. Often times going through steel with say a 1/4" bit,
the bit grabs just as it's about to go break through the metal and then screws
it's way through on the burrs on the backside. If that was plastic, thats the
point that the plastic would shatter. Being that it was metal, drill at that
point starts screwing it's way through the backside burns. I'll often run the
drill backwards and break the burrs, sometimes it even drills it's way through
that last .5% while running backwards. Even if it doesn't, it wears the burrs
off of the backside and then allows me to finish drilling running the proper
direction withouth grabbing.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator trim servo |
Mr Ashontz,
I'd recommend you reconsider Ray Allen Mac Trim Systems as they have
product for trim switches, stick grips with switches, rocker
switches and position indicators that are designed to work with each
other. Expensive or not, it's easier than doing a
servo that will either not fit the space needed or work with the other
components or have the force function or operating voltage
or distance throw that you need. I'd recommend you go with a company
that has worked all that out ahead of time.
It's more than one component and if you decide to do the R&D, you should
plan on adding another year or more working on your plane.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
ashontz wrote:
>
> I'm thinking of using something other than an expenive Ray Allen unit. Any suggestions?
Is there a specific weight limit for how heavy the trim servo can be?
Obviously I want to install something that's light as possible and yet still
up to the task.
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> CH601XL - Corvair
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93633#93633
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator trim servo |
larry(at)macsmachine.com wrote:
> Mr Ashontz,
> I'd recommend you reconsider Ray Allen Mac Trim Systems as they have
> product for trim switches, stick grips with switches, rocker
> switches and position indicators that are designed to work with each
> other. Expensive or not, it's easier than doing a
> servo that will either not fit the space needed or work with the other
> components or have the force function or operating voltage
> or distance throw that you need. I'd recommend you go with a company
> that has worked all that out ahead of time.
> It's more than one component and if you decide to do the R&D, you should
> plan on adding another year or more working on your plane.
>
> Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
>
> ashontz wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I'm thinking of using something other than an expenive Ray Allen unit. Any
suggestions? Is there a specific weight limit for how heavy the trim servo can
be? Obviously I want to install something that's light as possible and yet still
up to the task.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --------
> > CH601XL - Corvair
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93633#93633
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Thanks. However, I like making stuff and have an idea using a little motor assembly like this (http://www.hobbyengineering.com/H1646.html). If I'm not mistaken, 46 in-oz of torque is 4lbs applied at one inch, that's actually a lot or torque, enough to easily drive a 1/4 bolt through a all-thread connector sliding through a square hole and attached to the elevator trim bellcrank. At 20 threads per inch, at 62rpm and about 1/2" deflection needed that would translate to about 9 seconds to travel the full range of deflection.
Working in mm a 1/4inch bolt is 6.35mm in diameter which gives a circumference
of 19.9, roughly 20:1, so the fulcrum action of the thread would be a multiplier
of 20 or 46oz times 20, or almost 80pounds.
This unit is nice in that it's got all the multiplicative torque needed and as
metal gears, and weighs hardly anything, and only costs $23 to boot. Making an
aluminum housing for this badboy would be a piece of cake. I just may have to
give it a try at that price.
Unless my math is off, this seems like it fits well within the parameters of the
Ray Allen component at a tenth the price.
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator trim servo |
http://www.aircraftspruce.ca/catalog/elpages/ractrimservos.php
SERVOS ONLY
RAC Servo Sys. Part No. Output Shaft Movement Travel Time Price Buy
T2-7A 11-02048 0.7 in. 10 sec. $127.95 ($157.38CAN)
T2-10A 11-02058 1.0 in. 16 sec. $127.95 ($157.38CAN)
T3-12A 11-02065 1.2 in. 19 sec. $149.95 ($184.44CAN)
T4-5 11-02066 0.5 in. 15 sec. $193.95 ($238.56CAN)
I wouldn't be surprised if ray allen is using a very similar looking arrangement
internally as what I'm describing. I guess $127 for just the servo itself isn't
too bad. I may still try it though. Ray Allen's motor is probably a 5v motor
with a voltage divider in it. The travel and time is nearly exactly the same
though as well as the output force.
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That's why I feel Beechcraft are the toughest, most overbuilt GA aircraft in the
world. I've owned 2 of them and don't regret either one. If that happened in
a Piper, Cessna or one of the newer plastic planes, you would be looking at a
smoking hole. Just my .02
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator trim servo |
You can usually pick up the Ray Allen servo on Ebay for less than $100, including
the indicator and pushrod.
I'm thinking of using something other than an expenive Ray Allen unit. Any suggestions?
Is there a specific weight limit for how heavy the trim servo can be?
Obviously I want to install something that's light as possible and yet still
up to the task.
Thanks
--------
CH601XL - Corvair
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Hi Gang,
I just ordered the Rudder starter kit to see if I'm fit to build a
601Xl (preferably on amphibian floats).
I've been studying tons of web resources and admired many projects.
One thing strikes me as odd though and maybe your collective wisdom
can shed some light on this:
I see double throttles on many panels. Why is this done? Would one
central throttle with the dual stick option not be sufficient?
Thanks,
Hans
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Hans,
I am building 601XL with dual sticks and I am planning to use a single, centrally
mounted throttle.
Jay in Dallas
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Hans van Riet <hansinla@mac.com> wrote:
>
>Hi Gang,
>
>I just ordered the Rudder starter kit to see if I'm fit to build a
>601Xl (preferably on amphibian floats).
>I've been studying tons of web resources and admired many projects.
>One thing strikes me as odd though and maybe your collective wisdom
>can shed some light on this:
>
>I see double throttles on many panels. Why is this done? Would one
>central throttle with the dual stick option not be sufficient?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Hans
>
>
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Jay, I also have dual sticks in my XL and I had thought I would use the single
throttle in the center somewhere. Instead I have the duals with spin friction
locks. It is a little more work and $ to install two throttles, but as a right
handed guy I like landing with my most coordinated hand on the stick and left
hand on the go ball. If I was left handed the center throttle would be preferred
for me. This question is a preference point only your taste in flying can
answer. I have a couple hundred hours in 152,172 and Warriors and I always had
to land left handed and I knew the other way would work better for me. Best
regards, Bill of Georgia N505WP 601XL-3300 105 hours
-----Original Message-----
From: Jaybannist@cs.com
Sent: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 2:35 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List:
Hans,
I am building 601XL with dual sticks and I am planning to use a single,
centrally mounted throttle.
Jay in Dallas
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Hans van Riet <hansinla@mac.com> wrote:
>
>Hi Gang,
>
>I just ordered the Rudder starter kit to see if I'm fit to build a
>601Xl (preferably on amphibian floats).
>I've been studying tons of web resources and admired many projects.
>One thing strikes me as odd though and maybe your collective wisdom
>can shed some light on this:
>
>I see double throttles on many panels. Why is this done? Would one
>central throttle with the dual stick option not be sufficient?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Hans
>
>
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| Subject: | NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems |
Is anyone else having trouble getting their parts from WW.
601 XL engine on floor
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| Subject: | Drilling wing spars |
Hello Group ,I am ready to drill the 5/16 holes in my center spar and
the wing spars on a 601XL .I have just bought a 5/16 reamer and a 9/32
drill bit .I have received some good advise from Dave Clay as he has
recently completed this task . Any additional advise or tips from fellow
scratch builders that may help me on this task would be greatly
appreciated . Thanks
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List: |
Hans,
Most of earlier 601s had a header tank that would cause a center panel
mounted throttle cable to diverge, but would not make it
impossible to do. The central stick is a great fit for getting in and
out of the plane and I'd not be without it. Very natural
feeling right hand stick and left throttle. I've flown right seat and
find it just about the same with controls at opposite sides.
Would rather have this than one throttle and two sticks, but it's always
a matter of preference. Try flying with someone in a 601
and get the feel of it if you can. If you mount two sticks, you'll have
a better reason to make your forward top skin removable for access.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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Hans van Riet wrote:
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> I just ordered the Rudder starter kit to see if I'm fit to build a
> 601Xl (preferably on amphibian floats).
> I've been studying tons of web resources and admired many projects.
> One thing strikes me as odd though and maybe your collective wisdom
> can shed some light on this:
>
> I see double throttles on many panels. Why is this done? Would one
> central throttle with the dual stick option not be sufficient?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hans
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List: |
My opinion only here..... I view the dual throttle linkage as an unnecessary complication.
One center throttle with a friction lock should be totally adequate.
I learned to fly in a C-150 with my left hand on the yoke and my right on the
throttle. Later, I flew an ultralight with my right hand on the stick and my
left hand on the throttle. The moral? It's as easy to fly well one way as the
other.
I like the dual sticks precisely because it allows me to change hands as needed
to reach and operate switches and buttons anywhere on the panel. If I'm going
to use that benefit, I can ceratinly tolerate the single center located throttle.
Dred
---- Hans van Riet <hansinla@mac.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> I just ordered the Rudder starter kit to see if I'm fit to build a
> 601Xl (preferably on amphibian floats).
> I've been studying tons of web resources and admired many projects.
> One thing strikes me as odd though and maybe your collective wisdom
> can shed some light on this:
>
> I see double throttles on many panels. Why is this done? Would one
> central throttle with the dual stick option not be sufficient?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hans
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Doesn't that get awkward when landing?
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----- Original Message -----
From: <Jaybannist@cs.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 1:35 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List:
>
> Hans,
>
> I am building 601XL with dual sticks and I am planning to use a single,
> centrally mounted throttle.
>
> Jay in Dallas
> Do not archive
>
> Hans van Riet <hansinla@mac.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Hi Gang,
>>
>>I just ordered the Rudder starter kit to see if I'm fit to build a
>>601Xl (preferably on amphibian floats).
>>I've been studying tons of web resources and admired many projects.
>>One thing strikes me as odd though and maybe your collective wisdom
>>can shed some light on this:
>>
>>I see double throttles on many panels. Why is this done? Would one
>>central throttle with the dual stick option not be sufficient?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Hans
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Yes if you have the dual sticks a single throttle will be fine. The reason you
see the dual throttles are needed to fly from either side of the center stick
version which is standard.
Also, a lot of folks with dual sticks want to be able to fly with the right hand
on the stick and the left on the throttle.
BTW... Welcome to the Zenith family.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems |
Just out of curiosity, what kind of problems are you having with them? I'm going
with the Corvair myself too.
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Robin,
I've flown many hours in Wichita "spam cans" with my left hand on the yoke and
right hand on the throttle and didn't find anything awkward about it.
Jay in Dallas
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"Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> wrote:
>
>Doesn't that get awkward when landing?
>
>Do not archive.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <Jaybannist@cs.com>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 1:35 PM
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List:
>
>
>>
>> Hans,
>>
>> I am building 601XL with dual sticks and I am planning to use a single,
>> centrally mounted throttle.
>>
>> Jay in Dallas
>> Do not archive
>>
>> Hans van Riet <hansinla@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Hi Gang,
>>>
>>>I just ordered the Rudder starter kit to see if I'm fit to build a
>>>601Xl (preferably on amphibian floats).
>>>I've been studying tons of web resources and admired many projects.
>>>One thing strikes me as odd though and maybe your collective wisdom
>>>can shed some light on this:
>>>
>>>I see double throttles on many panels. Why is this done? Would one
>>>central throttle with the dual stick option not be sufficient?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Hans
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hansinla(at)mac.com wrote:
> Hi Gang,
>
> I just ordered the Rudder starter kit to see if I'm fit to build a
> 601Xl (preferably on amphibian floats).
> I've been studying tons of web resources and admired many projects.
> One thing strikes me as odd though and maybe your collective wisdom
> can shed some light on this:
>
> I see double throttles on many panels. Why is this done? Would one
> central throttle with the dual stick option not be sufficient?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hans
The main problem with that is, the hand in the center will also be on the control
stick, so it's either dual sticks and one throttle or one stick and dual throttles.
Personally, I'd rather have the dual sticks and the throttle in the
center. More ergonamic in a lot of respects.
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| Subject: | Re: Sheet metal brake |
brothapig(at)HOTMAIL.COM wrote:
> Is anyone familiar with the "Central Machinery" brand of sheet metal brake sold
by Harbor Freight, part number 46508-1VGA? It is a 40" brake that looks solid
enough for aluminum sheet metal (advertises up to 16 gauge steel), and is
only $100.
>
> I'm interested because I just started to scratch build, and I don't have a brake
yet. I will be building my own 8 ft brake when I need it, but this seems
like it would be very nice to have in the shop; handy, light, and maneuverable.
(and cheap)
>
> I hope someone out there has at least tried it. I'm interested if it puts a
radius on the bend, and if not, if it's possible to modify it to put a radius
on it.
>
> Ryan
Check out my homemade brake.
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Which example were you questioning?
601zv(at)ritternet.com wrote:
> Doesn't that get awkward when landing?
>
> Do not archive.
>
> ---
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems |
When I ordered my engine, which WW is building, a couple of weeks ago he gave me
a 6 to 8 week turnaround time. I took it with a grain of salt when he told me
he had 4 other engines ahead of me.
Have you called him about your parts?
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems |
He has out right lied to me about when he would be shipping my parts to me.
I have called Zenith and they are calling him to try to help. He keeps telling
me he will ship them this week. That has been going on since DEC.
I would not go with the corvair again. I have nothing against the engine, in
fact I really like it but William doesn't know how to run a business.
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| Subject: | Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems |
I plan on rebuilding the engine myself so if he can just ship a book to me without
a lot of hassle that'll be good enough for me. Just looking at him, he seems
to be exceptionally intelligent, kind of like the absentminded professor that
forgets to put his pants on. I'm sure he knows exactly what he's doing when
it comes to engineering, aviation, and the Corvair in particular, like you said
though, he may be a little off on the business end of things, but that because
his head is literally and figuratively in the clouds. Can't blame him for
that. :)
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| Subject: | Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems |
He called me last week and told me about a guy that was selling a FWF for
8,000.00. I thought that was strange since he still hasn't sent me the parts I
had ordered from him. He also said he has no idea when the nose bowls would be
done since the new guy he got to make them isn't making them due to the fact
that he got a larger order from another company. I honestly think he is
building yesterday parts with today's money.
I heard of 1 guy that has waited a year for a nose bowl and is pleading with
someone to help him find one so he can finish his project. Guys this is very
sad.
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On the flip side of that, most of your avionics and what not are in the center
of the panel for convenience as well as visibilities sake for both people in the
plane, so you'll want a free right hand to access them. Also, if you're right
handed, you'll want your right hand free to write ATC notes or whatever.
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| Subject: | Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems |
He also told me the he was behind because some old guy was hanging around
and bugging him for his engine that William was building. He said now he would
get caught up... I just wonder if the guy was hanging around because he was
sick and tired of the delays. I would be very careful sending your money to
him.
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| Subject: | Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems |
I agree with you 100% he is a brilliant man no doubt but the bottom line is
I gave him my money and he made me one promise after another that he didn't
follow thru with.
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Me too. I was mistakenly thinking of the single center stick situation - a
bit of mind warp apparently translated dual stick into single stick. I'm
doing the single stick and don't see a practical way to avoid the dual
throttle.
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jaybannist@cs.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List:
>
> Robin,
>
> I've flown many hours in Wichita "spam cans" with my left hand on the yoke
> and right hand on the throttle and didn't find anything awkward about it.
>
> Jay in Dallas
> Do not archive
>
>
> "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Doesn't that get awkward when landing?
>>
>>Do not archive.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <Jaybannist@cs.com>
>>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 1:35 PM
>>Subject: RE: Zenith-List:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hans,
>>>
>>> I am building 601XL with dual sticks and I am planning to use a single,
>>> centrally mounted throttle.
>>>
>>> Jay in Dallas
>>> Do not archive
>>>
>>> Hans van Riet <hansinla@mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hi Gang,
>>>>
>>>>I just ordered the Rudder starter kit to see if I'm fit to build a
>>>>601Xl (preferably on amphibian floats).
>>>>I've been studying tons of web resources and admired many projects.
>>>>One thing strikes me as odd though and maybe your collective wisdom
>>>>can shed some light on this:
>>>>
>>>>I see double throttles on many panels. Why is this done? Would one
>>>>central throttle with the dual stick option not be sufficient?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Hans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems |
William is actually a very upstanding guy. He is pretty honest and does
great work. One thing I found in dealing with him is that he is a very
very bad estimater on things in relation to time. He is really trying
and he believes he will finish with his product on time, he is just
estimating about 1/2 as many hours as required.
David Mikesell
23597 N. Hwy 99
Acampo, CA 95220
209-224-4485
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Afterfxllc@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne
problems
I agree with you 100% he is a brilliant man no doubt but the bottom
line is I gave him my money and he made me one promise after another
that he didn't follow thru with.
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| Subject: | Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems |
I would agree with you except he told me my mount would be shipped one week
then the next week I called and he told me the metal shipment was due in a few
days and he would be building it that week and then ship it for me. Now that
my friend was a bold face lie.
What he needs is competition.
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| Subject: | Re: Drilling wing spars |
Wade-
I didn't scratch build my outboard HDS spars but had to rebuild 95%
of the parts, so I guess I qualify as an advisor.
1. Get yourself one of those roller stands and level it with your
drill press table. Then you can just slide the spar from one hole to
another.
2. Use a "Clicker" center punch to locate the holes in your layout.
Steal some Ultra-Fine Sharpies from work.
3. Use a tailchuck center drill for a lathe to start your holes.
They have a huge shank and only 1/8" of actual bit, so you get no creep.
I got mine for $2.85 from J+L Industrial Supply. (Less shipping, which
quadrupled the final price). They're stock items if there's an
industrial machine tool outlet in your area. You're not going to find
them in Wal-Mart or even HF.
Would you believe I saw a half-dozen robins in the trees outside the
building I work in freezing their little tails off in single digit
temperatures?! Their frequent flier miles probably expired.
Good building.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: wade jones
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:11 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Drilling wing spars
Hello Group ,I am ready to drill the 5/16 holes in my center spar and
the wing spars on a 601XL .I have just bought a 5/16 reamer and a 9/32
drill bit .I have received some good advise from Dave Clay as he has
recently completed this task . Any additional advise or tips from fellow
scratch builders that may help me on this task would be greatly
appreciated . Thanks
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator trim servo |
I thought the same thing when I did my aileron trim. Jeff Small did a
nice installation using an automotive component, but I couldn't find a used
one anywhere. An OEM replacemnt cost more than the Ray Allen.
I still got my Ray Allen for nothing. I asked for one for Christmas!
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: "ashontz" <ashontz@nbme.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:22 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Elevator trim servo
>
> I'm thinking of using something other than an expenive Ray Allen unit. Any
> suggestions? Is there a specific weight limit for how heavy the trim servo
> can be? Obviously I want to install something that's light as possible and
> yet still up to the task.
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> CH601XL - Corvair
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93633#93633
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems |
[quote="Afterfxllc(at)aol.com"]I would agree with you except he told me my mount
would be shipped one week then the next week I called and he told me the metal
shipment was due in a few days and he would be building it that week and
then ship it for me. Now that my friend was a bold face lie.
What he needs is competition.
> [b]
Maybe he just needs more help.
Is it safe to say that at least ordering the book should be no problem?
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| Subject: | Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems |
Look guys and gals,
Don't you think you are being a little hard on the guy. What follows is not
a rant or tirade, but a few suggestions. Everyone is welcome to hit the
delete key if they want.
William has been nothing but helpful to hundreds of folks at no cost. He
has made it possible for most of us to be able to have our own plane and to
still be safe about it for a reasonable cost. His track record is second to
none and for at least half the money of comparable engines.
He also does not run and hide when something ends up being a problem. He
posts every bit of research and gives the best solution from a money, safety
and experience perspective.
Sure he has more work than he can handle, but didn't you know that going in?
Just take a look at the turnout he always gets and the crowds that are being
converted to Corvair Flyers. If he wants to keep his business small and
keep from growing into a nameless face of a company that's fine with me. He
may even still be around 10 years from now because of it.
Just order your parts well in advance or build them yourself. This world we
live in has conditioned us to expect everything now, but I think some things
are worth the wait.
I will see you at the airport in my plane someday thanks to William Wynne,
the EAA, a few local builders and Zenith. These are the folks I have
learned to trust.
Kindest Regards,
Matt Stecher in Katy, TX
XL Corvair
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Afterfxllc@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 5:04 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne
problems
I would agree with you except he told me my mount would be shipped one
week then the next week I called and he told me the metal shipment was due
in a few days and he would be building it that week and then ship it for me.
Now that my friend was a bold face lie.
What he needs is competition.
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| Subject: | Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems |
I have an xtra never been used WW Corvair manual which I'll get in the mail asap
to whomever wants to save ten bucks.
email me offline.
Terry Turnquist
601-XL Plans
St. Peters, MO
Matt Stecher <mrcc1234@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Look guys and gals,
Don't you think you are being a little hard on the guy. What follows is not
a rant or tirade, but a few suggestions. Everyone is welcome to hit the delete
key if they want.
William has been nothing but helpful to hundreds of folks at no cost. He has
made it possible for most of us to be able to have our own plane and to still
be safe about it for a reasonable cost. His track record is second to none and
for at least half the money of comparable engines.
He also does not run and hide when something ends up being a problem. He posts
every bit of research and gives the best solution from a money, safety and
experience perspective.
Sure he has more work than he can handle, but didn't you know that going in?
Just take a look at the turnout he always gets and the crowds that are being
converted to Corvair Flyers. If he wants to keep his business small and keep
from growing into a nameless face of a company that's fine with me. He may even
still be around 10 years from now because of it.
Just order your parts well in advance or build them yourself. This world we
live in has conditioned us to expect everything now, but I think some things are
worth the wait.
I will see you at the airport in my plane someday thanks to William Wynne, the
EAA, a few local builders and Zenith. These are the folks I have learned to
trust.
Kindest Regards,
Matt Stecher in Katy, TX
XL Corvair
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Afterfxllc@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems
I would agree with you except he told me my mount would be shipped one week then
the next week I called and he told me the metal shipment was due in a few
days and he would be building it that week and then ship it for me. Now that my
friend was a bold face lie.
What he needs is competition.
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| Subject: | Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems |
You must only read what you want and then chime in on the rest. I don't give
a shift about his track record or how many people he has helped in the past.
If the man can't do what he says he is a liar. I gave him my money in good
faith and he assured me my parts would be ready when I needed them and so far
he has let me down. If I order a kit from zenith and they tell me it will be
ready on a certain date I would bet you it would be. With William he just
tells you what you need to hear to get your money and if you can't tell yes I
am
pissed.
In a message dated 2/8/2007 7:44:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mrcc1234@sbcglobal.net writes:
Look guys and gals,
Don't you think you are being a little hard on the guy. What follows is not
a rant or tirade, but a few suggestions. Everyone is welcome to hit the
delete key if they want.
William has been nothing but helpful to hundreds of folks at no cost. He
has made it possible for most of us to be able to have our own plane and to
still be safe about it for a reasonable cost. His track record is second to
none and for at least half the money of comparable engines.
He also does not run and hide when something ends up being a problem. He
posts every bit of research and gives the best solution from a money, safety
and experience perspective.
Sure he has more work than he can handle, but didn't you know that going in?
Just take a look at the turnout he always gets and the crowds that are being
converted to Corvair Flyers. If he wants to keep his business small and
keep from growing into a nameless face of a company that's fine with me. He
may even still be around 10 years from now because of it.
Just order your parts well in advance or build them yourself. This world we
live in has conditioned us to expect everything now, but I think some things
are worth the wait.
I will see you at the airport in my plane someday thanks to William Wynne,
the EAA, a few local builders and Zenith. These are the folks I have learned
to trust.
Kindest Regards,
Matt Stecher in Katy, TX
XL Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems |
Does any one have the specs. and process details for building and testing
the dual points distributor?
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Matt Stecher
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:40 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne
problems
Look guys and gals,
Don't you think you are being a little hard on the guy. What follows is
not a rant or tirade, but a few suggestions. Everyone is welcome to hit the
delete key if they want.
William has been nothing but helpful to hundreds of folks at no cost. He
has made it possible for most of us to be able to have our own plane and to
still be safe about it for a reasonable cost. His track record is second to
none and for at least half the money of comparable engines.
He also does not run and hide when something ends up being a problem. He
posts every bit of research and gives the best solution from a money, safety
and experience perspective.
Sure he has more work than he can handle, but didn't you know that going
in?
Just take a look at the turnout he always gets and the crowds that are
being converted to Corvair Flyers. If he wants to keep his business small
and keep from growing into a nameless face of a company that's fine with me.
He may even still be around 10 years from now because of it.
Just order your parts well in advance or build them yourself. This world
we live in has conditioned us to expect everything now, but I think some
things are worth the wait.
I will see you at the airport in my plane someday thanks to William Wynne,
the EAA, a few local builders and Zenith. These are the folks I have
learned to trust.
Kindest Regards,
Matt Stecher in Katy, TX
XL Corvair
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Afterfxllc@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 5:04 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne
problems
I would agree with you except he told me my mount would be shipped one
week then the next week I called and he told me the metal shipment was due
in a few days and he would be building it that week and then ship it for me.
Now that my friend was a bold face lie.
What he needs is competition.
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| Subject: | Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems |
If anybody is unhappy with what WW is offering with respect to products
or timing then it would make sense to ask for a refund and go your
separate way. We will all be happier.
Gary Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: Afterfxllc@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne
problems
You must only read what you want and then chime in on the rest. I
don't give a shift about his track record or how many people he has
helped in the past. If the man can't do what he says he is a liar. I
gave him my money in good faith and he assured me my parts would be
ready when I needed them and so far he has let me down. If I order a kit
from zenith and they tell me it will be ready on a certain date I would
bet you it would be. With William he just tells you what you need to
hear to get your money and if you can't tell yes I am pissed.
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| Subject: | Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems |
Gary,
how about you buy my 1/2 completed FWF and then work with William to get the
other 1/2 of your parts.
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| Subject: | Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems |
Would I have had this problem with Lycoming? The higher price is well worth
the piece of mind. Half my parts won't get me in the air no matter how much I
saved.
In a message dated 2/8/2007 9:49:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
davgray@sbcglobal.net writes:
If anybody is unhappy with what WW is offering with respect to products or
timing then it would make sense to ask for a refund and go your separate way.
We will all be happier.
Gary Ray
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| Subject: | RE: Locking Latch part numbers |
I think almost all the part numbers are shown in the photo assembly guide.
Many of the part numbers used by Zenith are the manufacture's part numbers.
For example search www.mcmaster.com for 1226A62 you will find the latch for
$13.87. But I found it easier to just order all the parts from Zenith.
These came from Zenith:
1 - Latch w/key 1226A62
2 - Strap Fork End P/N SA262-2 (Wicks and Spruce have SA362-2 also known as
NAS1435)
1 - Inside knob (no part number) - *not* the same knob used in the
non-locking latch
4 - Nicopress 871-1-C (but only 2 go at the latch-end of the cables - Wicks
has these)
These I had to order from Spruce:
2 - clevis pins for strap forks - AN393-7
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems |
I don"t know if this will help ,but I'am going through the samething with
my eng. builder.It's enough to make you makeyou want to kill, What can you
do, they got your money.. I think that none of them have a nodding
acqaintance with the truth. It's part of there job description. What a
joke....Just send more money
joe 601 XL P.S. been on the two yard line for 3 mo....
----- Original Message -----
From: "ashontz" <ashontz@nbme.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:06 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems
>
> [quote="Afterfxllc(at)aol.com"]I would agree with you except he told me my
> mount would be shipped one week then the next week I called and he told
> me the metal shipment was due in a few days and he would be building it
> that week and then ship it for me. Now that my friend was a bold face
> lie.
> What he needs is competition.
>
>> [b]
>
>
> Maybe he just needs more help.
>
> Is it safe to say that at least ordering the book should be no problem?
>
> --------
> CH601XL - Corvair
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93800#93800
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems |
I ordered the engine manual and it didn't take long to arrive. I ordered
one of his (William Wynne)DVD's and received the wrong one by mistake. I
was told to mail it back. I received the new one with a $5.00 bill
inside to cover the return postage on the first one! Does that sound
like a liar and a crook to you? A friend of mine sent his Piper engine
to a certified rebuild shop.....and it took MONTHS to get it back!
I for one can wait for things to arrive. I am sorry for those that
can't. Perhaps airplanes aren't a good hobby for those. It can take
months to get a quick built from Vans, and he gets a chunk of your money
up front also.
Just my thoughts,
Bob from Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems |
Bob,
With all due respect... I don't mind waiting for parts, I had to wait for 2
months to get my heads back from falcon and that was fine with me because Mark
told me he was behind and when he could get to them. When it came about time
to expect them I called Mark and he told me there was a slight delay and I
should be getting them in a couple of weeks. I called Mark in a couple of
weeks and he had just shipped them as promised. That my friend is the way you
run
a business. He didn't lie and say next week and next week and next week he
was up front and honest about when he could get them done.
If William had told me it would be 3 months before I would see my parts then
so be it, but that was not the case. When someone gives me his word that is
what I expect to happen.
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| Subject: | Re: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems |
Also WW is one of the only people that require all of the money up front
when you order parts. And as far as the manual and DVD Grace handles that part
of things.
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| Subject: | Re: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems |
I will tell you that I spoke to Gordon tonight and he said he spoke to
William and I should have my parts By this Saturday. I have someone that is going
to pick them up I will let you know the outcome but I am not holding my
breath.
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| Subject: | WW: Okay, We get it! |
Isn't there a Corvair list this might be more appropriate for? I understand
your frustration. I think we ALL do after the fifth post.
Afterfxllc@aol.com wrote: Would I have had this problem with Lycoming? The
higher price is well worth the piece of mind. Half my parts won't get me in
the air no matter how much I saved.
In a message dated 2/8/2007 9:49:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, davgray@sbcglobal.net
writes:
If anybody is unhappy with what WW is offering with respect to products
or timing then it would make sense to ask for a refund and go your separate
way. We will all be happier.
Gary Ray
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