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1. 01:54 AM - Wings 601XL (austria)
2. 05:57 AM - Re: WW (ashontz)
3. 06:06 AM - Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems (ashontz)
4. 06:16 AM - Re: I have a new set of parts! (n801bh@netzero.com)
5. 06:42 AM - Speed Brake?! Are We Still Talking about the CH601? (Phil Maxson)
6. 06:43 AM - Wing Kit Crate Dimensions are... (PatrickW)
7. 07:14 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 64 Msgs - 02/09/07 (Maarten Versteeg)
8. 07:21 AM - control cabl tenshion (flyingmike9)
9. 07:21 AM - Re: WW (Bill Naumuk)
10. 08:04 AM - Re: control cabl tenshion (LarryMcFarland)
11. 08:16 AM - Next time I will start with firewall fwd (Brett Hanley)
12. 08:21 AM - XL Kit & Engine for sale (Clyde Barcus)
13. 08:37 AM - Re: control cabl tenshion (flyingmike9)
14. 10:20 AM - Re: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
15. 10:57 AM - Re: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems (Dan)
16. 11:02 AM - Re: control cabl tenshion (C Smith)
17. 11:03 AM - Re: WW (Mack Kreizenbeck)
18. 11:54 AM - 601XL Kit for Sale (Gregg Perry)
19. 12:04 PM - Re: WW (JG)
20. 12:44 PM - Re: Speed Brake?! Are We Still Talking about the CH601? (Steve Hulland)
21. 01:03 PM - Woulda's ()
22. 01:24 PM - Re: control cabl tenshion (LarryMcFarland)
23. 02:41 PM - Re: Woulda's (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
24. 02:49 PM - Re: Wings 601XL (Bryan Martin)
25. 03:38 PM - Re: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
26. 04:52 PM - Re: Speed Brake?! Are We Still Talking about the CH601? (Tim Juhl)
27. 05:22 PM - Re: Re: Speed Brake?! Are We Still Talking about the CH601? (Terry Turnquist)
28. 06:05 PM - Longeron (Bill Naumuk)
29. 06:08 PM - Re: Re: Speed Brake?! Are We Still Talking about the CH601? (Steve Hulland)
30. 06:34 PM - Re: Re: Speed Brake?! Are We Still Talking about the CH601? (Steve Hulland)
31. 07:25 PM - Re: Longeron (Jaybannist@cs.com)
32. 07:26 PM - Woulda's (Brad DeMeo)
33. 07:44 PM - Re: Re: Speed Brake?! Are We Still Talking about the CH601? (Paul Mulwitz)
34. 08:06 PM - Re:Re:Speed brake?! Are We Still talking about the CH601? (MaxNr@aol.com)
35. 08:47 PM - Re: Speed Brake?! Are We Still Talking about the CH601? (ashontz)
36. 08:58 PM - Re: Gull-wing Doors (ashontz)
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How quickly one can remove the wings and store on a trailer?
[Question] austria
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[quote="naumuk(at)alltel.net"]All-
The question is, did WW intend to go into mass production from the get-go,
or was he putzing around his shop, came up with an idea and enormous demand
evolved without warning?
All of us have a mod of our own. Who knows how to build it? You, maybe one
or two other people. Everyone finds out about it and they want one. All of
a sudden you have have orders coming out the ying yang, but who's qualified
to fill them? Sounds suspiciously like the background of recent posts.
The inconsistant delivery times are a mystery, though.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
> [b]
Probably the later. I also wouldn't be surprised if he's personally checking each
part. which is a good thing. Something like that could take awhile. He's probably
just meticulous about what goes out the door.
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| Subject: | Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems |
[quote="mrcc1234(at)sbcglobal.net"]Look guys and gals,
Don't you think you are being a little hard on the guy. What follows is not
a rant or tirade, but a few suggestions. Everyone is welcome to hit the delete
key if they want.
William has been nothing but helpful to hundreds of folks at no cost. He has
made it possible for most of us to be able to have our own plane and to still
be safe about it for a reasonable cost. His track record is second to none
and for at least half the money of comparable engines.
He also does not run and hide when something ends up being a problem. He posts
every bit of research and gives the best solution from a money, safety and
experience perspective.
Sure he has more work than he can handle, but didn't you know that going in?
Just take a look at the turnout he always gets and the crowds that are being
converted to Corvair Flyers. If he wants to keep his business small and keep
from growing into a nameless face of a company that's fine with me. He may
even still be around 10 years from now because of it.
Just order your parts well in advance or build them yourself. This world we
live in has conditioned us to expect everything now, but I think some things
are worth the wait.
I will see you at the airport in my plane someday thanks to William Wynne, the
EAA, a few local builders and Zenith. These are the folks I have learned to
trust.
Kindest Regards,
Matt Stecher in Katy, TX
XL Corvair
> --
Yes, I support him too, even if he's a little slow on production. This is what
grassroots aviation is about. This is what it was like 10 years ago, mom and pop
outfits and doing their best. Be glad you still have this level of freedom.
It could all be regulated by the FAA outright these days. 10+ years ago you'd
be hard pressed to have even basic access and info about the Corvair conversion.
Personally, I'd rather wait 2 months for parts then either never get them
because they weren't available or there wasn't anyone out there that had done
this level of research. WW runs a relatively small shop. Try rebuilding an engine
yourself. I've done it, but it takes quite awhile, but it they're doing 5
a week and there's 8 people in the shop (8 people he trusts which extends to you
trusting too) and there's 100+ on back order, well, it's going to take awhile.
Not only that, they're also building custom parts for DYIers, as well as things
like engine mounts and putting together Corvair workshops, I'd say they
have their hands full. Just be patient. Probably should have ordered the engine
from him 6 months ago.
If you're in that much of a hurry, why not buy one of the ones he has advertised
as ready to go on his website and just leave him your core?
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| Subject: | Re: I have a new set of parts! |
The guys and gals at Zenith Aircraft have been nothing short of super to
me during my building process. In this day and age that is a wonderful
treat. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Rich" <4rcsimmons@comcast.net> wrote:
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fice" />Ok List,
Just bragging!
I went and picked up my fuselage kit form the freight warehouse today! S
weet!
I had to get through the inventory today (No problems!) and tear down th
e create. I have another wood pile again!
My thanks to Zenith on making delivery to make a satisfied customer. The
story; I called to find out if the shipping date was still set.
They said it would be about a week late. I mentioned that I wanted to kn
ow since I would be incapacitated for a short time period in the coming
weeks and was wanting to get thins put away. They called back in a few d
ays with letting me know that they would make the date for me.
Then the day before the shipping date, they called to let me know the pa
rts actually shipped! (A day early!)
Anyhow, I am tickled I have a new batch of parts, put away and ready for
assembly.
Thanks again to the folks in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:
schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />mexico, MO.
Grinning big,
Rich Simmons
601XL
Fuse bottom.
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| Subject: | Speed Brake?! Are We Still Talking about the CH601? |
Speed Brake? I must say, this is the first time I've heard that one! Are
n't those things usually found on fast, slick airplanes? The XL doesn't re
ally even need flaps (though I use them on almost every landing to point th
e nose down).
You could be the first in the neighborhood to have one.Phil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
Northwest New Jersey
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| Subject: | Wing Kit Crate Dimensions are... |
I just got my wing kit. Big crate. Here are the dimensions for the next builder
who's wondering how big of a trailer he needs:
Crate length: 151"
Crate width: 49"
Crate height: 27.5"
Crate weight: 651 lbs
I'd rented a 12' trailer with a tailgate. 12' trailer... 12 and a half foot crate...
Had a bit of a challange getting it home. Used ratchet straps and took
the backroads, but I got it home... :-)
Unloaded it by myself in about 30 minutes using an ordinary floor jack, wood scraps,
and two cheap furniture dollies (the kind with small wheels on each corner).
- Patrick
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 64 Msgs - 02/09/07 |
Hello Wade,
Just a related question, where did you buy the reamer/drill
combination.
Maarten Versteeg, San Antonio
601XL kit building, but doing wings from scratch
>>From: "wade jones" <wjones@brazoriainet.com>
>>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Zenith-List: Drilling wing spars
>>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:11:02 -0600
>>
>>Hello Group ,I am ready to drill the 5/16 holes in my center spar and the
>>wing spars on a 601XL .I have just bought a 5/16 reamer and a 9/32 drill
>>bit .I have received some good advise from Dave Clay as he has recently
>>completed this task . Any additional advise or tips from fellow scratch
>>builders that may help me on this task would be greatly appreciated .
>>Thanks
>>Wade Jones South Texas
>>601XL plans building
>>Cont. 0200
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| Subject: | control cabl tenshion |
hi
can anybody tell me what the tenshion of the control cables (rudder,elevator) should
be i am building the UK model with dual sticks from CZECH AIRCAFT can not
find anything in the plans
thanks in advance
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All-
The key phrase is "Finding extra talent". Those of you out there who are
managers should be able to empathize. I can't help but think of a saying my
uncle has- the one who survived being in the 100th/8th Bombardment:
"When I have a job to do, I do not leave it 'till it's through. Be it
big or be it small, I do it right or not at all".
'Nuff said.
do
not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: WW
No question, WW
> is honest and hard working and life has overloaded his plate, but he will
> come thru. I'd imagine he feels a lot of the same pressure as those
> who've ordered from him. Two weeks or two months is not a long time in
> this business. Hiring people is even more pressure and finding extra
> talent is another kind of problem.
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| Subject: | Re: control cabl tenshion |
Hi Mike,
You've got things seriously under way there. The 601 series is a light
aircraft, so I'd not tighten cables to more than
20 lbs. 15 to 20 lbs is a good range. If you haven't bought one of
those expensive cable tension gages, you can build one
and calibrate it to the range you need. See links.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/tjh/cabletools/full/tension3.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/tjh/cabletools/full/tension3.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/tjh/cabletools/full/tenscalbrate.gif
I used garage door pulleys obtained from Lowe's, but any like them would
work.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
flyingmike9 wrote:
>
> hi
> can anybody tell me what the tenshion of the control cables (rudder,elevator)
should be i am building the UK model with dual sticks from CZECH AIRCAFT can
not find anything in the plans
> thanks in advance
>
>
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| Subject: | Next time I will start with firewall fwd |
ALL the auto conversion people have had delivery problems at one time or an
other. My advice to anyone that wants to do an auto conversion is to start
the firewall forward forward first. Get your core and start building an e
ngine. WHEN, you have part delivery problem you can play the appropriate
cards to deal with suppliers. While waiting you can go work on the airframe
. With a little luck the engine will be ready shortly after the airframe is
done.=0A =0A WW has made available a great deal of information for a very
reasonable price. His book is a must read for anyone contemplating an auto
conversion no matter what engine they will use. He has done a lot of resea
rch and has some very innovative ideas. =0A =0AI can understand your frust
ration with conversion parts. I have been there as well with engines other
than Corvair. It is obvious that Fly Corvair is going through some growing
pains. Be patient. I am sure WW will come through as soon as he can. I kno
w that's not much constellation if it's you, your money and your project be
ing tied up. If you are having problems with WW I think you should take t
hose to him . This list is about sharing information; not bashing supplier
s that are having scheduling problems.=0A =0APlease understand this is only
one mans opinion. Opinions are like A holes. Everybody got one and every
body is intittled to one. This opinion and a buck will get you a cup of co
ffie at McDonnalds. =0A =0AWelcome to the wonderful exciting world of EXPE
RIMENTAL avation. I truly hope you can solve your hombuilding problems soo
n and get that thing in the air. I wish you blue skies and calm days for f
light testing.=0A =0ABrett
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| Subject: | XL Kit & Engine for sale |
For personal reasons I am selling my 601 XL kit and completely assembled
Corvair engine using nearly all of William Wynne's parts.
601 XL Kit with the following options: Strobes, landing lights, wing
locker baggage option, 2 axis trim, dual stick option, dual brakes,
wheel fairings, upgraded to latest drawings and components. Thorough
documentation including pictures, log and receipts. Rudder, elevator,
stabilizer, flaps, ailerons, two axis trim finished. Both wings complete
including wing lockers, controls and wiring, except outboard ends need
trimmed and end caps put on. Rear fuselage assembled, cabin floor,
rudder pedals and brakes assembled but not riveted yet. Paid $18,569 not
including shipping, will sell for $14,900. Located near Nashville,
Tennessee. Total hours to date: 1000
William Wynne Corvair Conversion and firewall forward package. I do not
have the carb, alternator or deep sump pickup. Paid $7,701, will take
$5,700. Crankshaft was nitrided.
Company Part # Price
Extra capacity oil pan Albert Ramsey $150.00
Used Corvair Engine Albert Ramsey $275.00
Rear Oil Accessory Case William Wynne $249.00
Corvair Engine installation William Wynne $20.00
Warp Drive Prop William Wynne $600.00
Dual Ignition Distributor William Wynne $239.00
Damper William Wynne $100.00
CNC Machined Prop Hub William Wynne $319.00
Modified Crank w/shaft, studs & hardware. William Wynne $449.00
Alternator Pulley William Wynne $59.00
Front Starter Kit William Wynne $645.00
13" spinner bulkhead William Wynne $149.00
Fiberglass Nosebowl William Wynne $349.00
Motor Mount William Wynne $639.00
Stainless Intake William Wynne $269.00
Stainless Exhaust William Wynne $499.00
SET--Pistons, Chrome Rings, Cylinders Clark's C8327 $630.25
SET-- Reconditioned & Balanced Rods Clark's C9203 $236.00
Assemble pistons, rods & pins (set) Clark's C8828R $25.00
New OT-10 Cam & Billet Gear assembled Clark's C8800FG $275.05
Gasket set Clark's C120WW $92.40
Head Stud Nuts Clark's C-1089 $10.10
Blind Ended Nut for installing head studs Clark's C2001 $5.55
Oil Pump Primer Rod Clark's C-366 $4.15
Lifters Clark's C5856X $45.80
Valve guides Clark's C6702 $54.00
Intake Valves Clark's C3020P $30.60
Exhaust Valves Clark's C3022P $53.70
Valve Springs Clark's C8619 $52.85
Copper Head Gaskets Clark's C3946 $17.75
3/8 Drill Clark's C3440 $6.05
Helicoil 3/8 CoarseTap Clark's C3220 $19.85
Helicoil Installer Clark's C3221 $11.45
3/8 helicoil inserts for head studs (24) Clark's C3223 $50.40
ARP Studs SC Performance $240.00
Head Work & Welding Sexton's $359.10
Tubing for intake Burn's Stainless $36.14
Used Corvair engine Albert Ramsey $275.00
Spinner FP-13 Van's $160.00
Total $7,701.19
If interested contact offline.
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Hendersonville, TN
615-822-2135
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| Subject: | Re: control cabl tenshion |
thanks for that larry
unfortunatlly i have bought the expensive type we live and learn
thank you again
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| Subject: | Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems |
In a message dated 2/10/2007 9:07:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
ashontz@nbme.org writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz" <ashontz@nbme.org>
[quote="mrcc1234(at)sbcglobal.net"]Look guys and gals,
Don't you think you are being a little hard on the guy. What follows is
not a rant or tirade, but a few suggestions. Everyone is welcome to hit the
delete key if they want.
William has been nothing but helpful to hundreds of folks at no cost. He
has made it possible for most of us to be able to have our own plane and to
still be safe about it for a reasonable cost. His track record is second to
none and for at least half the money of comparable engines.
He also does not run and hide when something ends up being a problem. He
posts every bit of research and gives the best solution from a money, safety
and experience perspective.
Sure he has more work than he can handle, but didn't you know that going in?
Just take a look at the turnout he always gets and the crowds that are
being converted to Corvair Flyers. If he wants to keep his business small and
keep from growing into a nameless face of a company that's fine with me. He
may even still be around 10 years from now because of it.
Just order your parts well in advance or build them yourself. This world
we live in has conditioned us to expect everything now, but I think some
things are worth the wait.
I will see you at the airport in my plane someday thanks to William Wynne,
the EAA, a few local builders and Zenith. These are the folks I have
learned to trust.
Kindest Regards,
Matt Stecher in Katy, TX
XL Corvair
> --
Yes, I support him too, even if he's a little slow on production. This is
what grassroots aviation is about. This is what it was like 10 years ago, mom
and pop outfits and doing their best. Be glad you still have this level of
freedom. It could all be regulated by the FAA outright these days. 10+ years ago
you'd be hard pressed to have even basic access and info about the Corvair
conversion. Personally, I'd rather wait 2 months for parts then either never
get them because they weren't available or there wasn't anyone out there that
had done this level of research. WW runs a relatively small shop. Try
rebuilding an engine yourself. I've done it, but it takes quite awhile, but it
they're doing 5 a week and there's 8 people in the shop (8 people he trusts which
extends to you trusting too) and there's 100+ on back order, well, it's going
to take awhile. Not only that, they're also building custom parts for
DYIers, as well as things like engine mounts and putting together Corvai!
r workshops, I'd say they have their hands full. Just be patient. Probably
should have ordered the engine from him 6 months ago.
If you're in that much of a hurry, why not buy one of the ones he has
advertised as ready to go on his website and just leave him your core?
--------
CH601XL - Corvair
I for one would like to put this to bed. I started this thread and I would
like to finish it today. I spoke with William yesterday and he himself assured
me that the parts would be ready for pick up today. If everyone would read
all the posts and not just chime in in the middle you would understand what the
topic is all about. WW doesn't owe me an engine he only owes me a engine
mount, nose bowl, intake, and exhaust that's it.
As I told everyone before I like the corvair and William has done great
things for the corvair and GA. And once again My only problem with him is that
he
would keep telling me my parts would ship at the end of the week over and
over again. If he would have simply stated they aren't going to be ready due to
whatever that would have been fine but I have things to do also and I plan my
work according to what parts I will be getting in that week. I only started
posting out of frustration and anger. I have been moved from my heated hanger
and am working in a 27 degree one and that isn't fun. If I had had my parts
by Christmas I would be finished now. If I were to do it all over again would
I have gone with the corvair probably not. That said do I think William will
come thru with your parts if you order them well in advance? I believe he
would. The cold facts are he has created a monster and he has to tame it. Like
it or not some business's have to grow and this looks like one of them.
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| Subject: | Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems |
Well said. With an auto conversion we should all expect delays. It's
part of the game. I am enjoying the process, and since a homebuilt
project is never really finished anyway I am sure I could find something
productive to do to the plane rather than continue to bash William.
Dan.
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Stecher
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:39 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne
problems
Look guys and gals,
Don't you think you are being a little hard on the guy. What follows
is not a rant or tirade, but a few suggestions. Everyone is welcome to
hit the delete key if they want.
William has been nothing but helpful to hundreds of folks at no cost.
He has made it possible for most of us to be able to have our own plane
and to still be safe about it for a reasonable cost. His track record
is second to none and for at least half the money of comparable engines.
He also does not run and hide when something ends up being a problem.
He posts every bit of research and gives the best solution from a money,
safety and experience perspective.
Sure he has more work than he can handle, but didn't you know that
going in?
Just take a look at the turnout he always gets and the crowds that are
being converted to Corvair Flyers. If he wants to keep his business
small and keep from growing into a nameless face of a company that's
fine with me. He may even still be around 10 years from now because of
it.
Just order your parts well in advance or build them yourself. This
world we live in has conditioned us to expect everything now, but I
think some things are worth the wait.
I will see you at the airport in my plane someday thanks to William
Wynne, the EAA, a few local builders and Zenith. These are the folks I
have learned to trust.
Kindest Regards,
Matt Stecher in Katy, TX
XL Corvair
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Afterfxllc@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 5:04 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne
problems
I would agree with you except he told me my mount would be shipped
one week then the next week I called and he told me the metal shipment
was due in a few days and he would be building it that week and then
ship it for me. Now that my friend was a bold face lie.
What he needs is competition.
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| Subject: | control cabl tenshion |
Hey that's pretty slick, are there drawings for plans, or just the 2
pictures?
Craig Smith
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LarryMcFarland
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: control cabl tenshion
Hi Mike,
You've got things seriously under way there. The 601 series is a light
aircraft, so I'd not tighten cables to more than
20 lbs. 15 to 20 lbs is a good range. If you haven't bought one of
those expensive cable tension gages, you can build one
and calibrate it to the range you need. See links.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/tjh/cabletools/full/tension3.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/tjh/cabletools/full/tension3.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/tjh/cabletools/full/tenscalbrate.gif
I used garage door pulleys obtained from Lowe's, but any like them would
work.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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Ladies and Gents;
I've been reading this forum for about 6 months now -- finding every once in
a while that some get off on a tangent. I've been in business for myself
for many years and have found that communication between the offender and
the one that has been offended works well. A small organization (limited #
of employees) can't operate like a mega-sized firm, i.e., who does the work
when the proprietor or one of his employees gets ill? There can be a lot of
extenuating circumstances that we don't know about. Give WW a chance and
don't beat him up in the public or offer him advice through the media. You
know that he already has enough enemies in the Corvair Clubs.
Mack
601XL with Jabiru in final stages
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| Subject: | 601XL Kit for Sale |
Greetings,
Three years ago I purchased a complete (49%) airframe kit and began
building. I got the tail and first part of the horizontal stab done.
Then the my job got busier, there were some family changes, and...well,
it's going to be a long time before I get back to building. If anyone
is interested, please email me. Options included with the kit are: dual
sticks, aux-fuel kit, Aeroflash light system, main and nosewheel
fairings, electric trim and landing light.
Gregg Perry
East Tennessee
dr.perry@charter.net
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Gday All,
I really feel for this WW fella.
Having started up a couple of small businesses based on my own
engineering and R&D, and then finding that the duties of production
manager, distribution manager, customer relations manager, etc, etc,
overwhelm everything else, and if you have a good product you become a
slave to the business and can't even focus any longer on the R&D that
got you there in the first place, and if you hire more staff then you
become personell manager as well, and that's even less fun and more
stressful........ That was a long tiring sentence without a breath, but
that's just how life feels in such a business situation. I just hope WW
has a thick enough skin and the constitution to handle all that stress
without burning out.....
JG
----- Original Message -----
From: Mack Kreizenbeck
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: WW
<aprazer@cableone.net>
Ladies and Gents;
I've been reading this forum for about 6 months now -- finding every
once in
a while that some get off on a tangent. I've been in business for
myself
for many years and have found that communication between the offender
and
the one that has been offended works well. A small organization
(limited #
of employees) can't operate like a mega-sized firm, i.e., who does the
work
when the proprietor or one of his employees gets ill? There can be a
lot of
extenuating circumstances that we don't know about. Give WW a chance
and
don't beat him up in the public or offer him advice through the media.
You
know that he already has enough enemies in the Corvair Clubs.
Mack
601XL with Jabiru in final stages
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| Subject: | Re: Speed Brake?! Are We Still Talking about the CH601? |
Phil,
Not sure Speed Brake is a good idea, but something to look into - especially
with input from this group. Structually the airplane could handle one
somewhere under the center fuselage with a simple mechanical open close
handle. A small one might not be hard to operate and might be an interesting
and useful addition. Right now I am just thinking about the subject. All
comments are welcome.
--
Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 600 Taildragger
Amado, AZ
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Time for a new thread.........Woulda's.=0A=0AIf I had it to do o
ver again I woulda:=0A=0A1: Made every "L" angle, wherever possi
ble, re-curved on one flange. It would take up less room, be considera
bly stronger, and be less likely to slash my delicate skin.=0A
=0A2: Made the outer end of the wings flat, a la Cessna construction,
and found me a set of fiberglass Hoerner wingtips to slip over it, the
reby saving much frustration in making those curves. Not to mention mu
ch prettier.=0A=0A3: Filed a 1/4 inch radius on every corner.
=0A=0A4: ??? Up to you guys now.............=0A=0APaul Rodr
iguez=0A601XL/Corvair.=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: control cabl tenshion |
Craig,
The cable tensioner gage can be done freehand from the images. It will
get tension close enough to
satisfy what's needed.
Sorry, I fixed the flip side of the image to "tension 4, see below.
Larry
C Smith wrote:
>
> Hey that's pretty slick, are there drawings for plans, or just the 2
> pictures?
>
>
you can build one and calibrate it to the range you need. See links.
> http://www.macsmachine.com/images/tjh/cabletools/full/tension3.gif
> http://www.macsmachine.com/images/tjh/cabletools/full/tension4.gif
> http://www.macsmachine.com/images/tjh/cabletools/full/tenscalbrate.gif
>
> I used small garage door pulleys obtained from Lowe's, but any like them would
> work.
>
> Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
>
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After starting my last thread I'm gonna stay far far away from this one lol
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If you have fuel in the wings, I would drain it first. That may take
half an hour. After that, two people can remove the wings in about an
hour. It takes longer to put them back on. It's not something I would
attempt to do on a daily basis.
>
> How quickly one can remove the wings and store on a trailer?
>
> [Question] austria
--
Bryan Martin
Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
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| Subject: | Re: NEED TO FINISH MY PLANE William Wynne problems |
Ok William did come thru with my parts today they were picked up and they
will be shipped to me Monday.
I would like to thank William for acknowledging he dropped the ball when it
came to communicating the delays. I want everyone to remember that my parts
were promised before Christmas so if anyone is going to order their parts and
then bitch a week later and trash him on the list I would think twice about
it. I risked him sending me a check instead of parts. I started this thread
because I was pissed and wanted to let the world know It NOT to get my parts
faster. I had other means to do that.
I only hope that if nothing else comes from this that William will quote
realistic delivery times and understand that if things happen to delay a
shipment he simply sends a email and lets the customer know.
I would like to apologize to William for the thread just as he did for
admitting he dropped the ball. In the end I hope this will bring about change
for
the better on both ends.
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| Subject: | Re: Speed Brake?! Are We Still Talking about the CH601? |
I've seen speed brakes used on fast airplanes but I don't think the XL would benefit
that much. Anything extended into the airstream from the belly would cause
a fairly dramatic pitching movement.
Reduce the power and apply backpressure to maintain altitude and I would think
it would slow nicely.
A small spoiler on each wing would have the effect of a rapid descent with less
effect on the longitudinal stability but then again, I'm a great believer in
the KISS principle.
Tim
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: Speed Brake?! Are We Still Talking about the CH601? |
Maybe some road flares mounted under the wings...little retro rockets!
do not archive.
Tim Juhl <juhl@avci.net> wrote:
I've seen speed brakes used on fast airplanes but I don't think the XL would benefit
that much. Anything extended into the airstream from the belly would cause
a fairly dramatic pitching movement.
Reduce the power and apply backpressure to maintain altitude and I would think
it would slow nicely.
A small spoiler on each wing would have the effect of a rapid descent with less
effect on the longitudinal stability but then again, I'm a great believer in
the KISS principle.
Tim
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Champ L16A flying
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HDS People-
I'm at a loss here. My upper rear longeron tracks straight along the
top edge and over the inboard rear former, but is a good 1/8" from
contacting the top of the former closest the tail. Former and side skin
dimensions are well within =B1 2mm of print. Yes, everything's level.
What do you think? Shim the top of the tail former, or bend the
longeron down to make contact with the tail former?
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Speed Brake?! Are We Still Talking about the CH601? |
I do know some real rocket scientists at Raytheon Missle Systems in Tucson
(where I work). Perhaps the could build me some small retro rockets and a
couple of small regular rockets to give the homeland Security folks
something to worry about! Wing spoilers, nifty concept. Gotta look into that
one too!
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Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 600 Taildragger
Amado, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Speed Brake?! Are We Still Talking about the CH601? |
On second thought all the small retro rockets and small regular rockets
would have to be fake and made of composite to avoid serious weight
problems. Still, flying around here with even fake ones would be a 'hoot" at
best, a real "drag" at worst.
--
Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 600 Taildragger
Amado, AZ
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Bill,
I'm not "HDS People," but I think the XL is about the same in the tail end. That's
really beside the point.
I would always go with shimming in preference to bending. Just my opinion, FWIW.
Jay in Dallas
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"Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
>HDS People-
> I'm at a loss here. My upper rear longeron tracks straight along the top edge
and over the inboard rear former, but is a good 1/8" from contacting the top
of the former closest the tail. Former and side skin dimensions are well within
2mm of print. Yes, everything's level.
> What do you think? Shim the top of the tail former, or bend the longeron down
to make contact with the tail former?
>Bill Naumuk
>HDS Fuselage
>Townville, Pa
>
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I think I woulda not ordered the landing light kit and tried to do
something on the main gear for lights - primarily to avoid prop
flicker. The landing light kit, for some reason, was very difficult
for me and I spent more than too many hours on it. I'm sure it adds
value, but I wouldn't do it again. I just started the canopy
today...maybe I'll have another "woulda" in a week or so.
Do not archive.
Brad DeMeo
80% done.
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| Subject: | Re: Speed Brake?! Are We Still Talking about the CH601? |
If you're gonna go that far, why not 3 machine guns on each wing? Of
course you should use fake ones or the ammo will weigh the plane down
so much you won't be able to take any baggage for overnight trips.
Paul
definitely do not archive or quote to homeland security goons
At 06:31 PM 2/10/2007, you wrote:
>On second thought all the small retro rockets and small regular
>rockets would have to be fake and made of composite to avoid serious
>weight problems. Still, flying around here with even fake ones would
>be a 'hoot" at best, a real "drag" at worst.
>
>
>--
>Semper Fi,
>Steven R. Hulland
>CH 600 Taildragger
>Amado, AZ
>
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| Subject: | Re:Re:Speed brake?! Are We Still talking about the CH601? |
Got me thinking.. could beef up the wing locker doors and see what kind of
hydraulics Harbor Freight has.
Bob Dingley
601XL Lyc
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| Subject: | Re: Speed Brake?! Are We Still Talking about the CH601? |
[quote="MaxNr(at)aol.com"]Got me thinking.. could beef up the wing locker doors
and see what kind of hydraulics Harbor Freight has.
Bob Dingley
601XL Lyc
> [b]
I think I'd leave the whole idea alone. The last thing anyone needs is a spoiler
that doesn't retract.
How about just using a little cross-controls, rudder one way, ailerons the other.
What speed range are we talking about? If you need to go from 150 down to 60
for an approach, I'd say the approach was set up wrong in the first place.
It's not like the XL is some 600 mph airliner, or even a 300 mph WWII dive bomber.
It shouldn't take to long to go from 135 cruise down to 70 for an approach.
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| Subject: | Re: Gull-wing Doors |
[quote="tya2(at)4-fly.net"]Dear Samm,
I own a CH2000. The factory offers an upgrade kit out of Georgia with all of the parts necessary to do the change over from the old style CH2000 to AMD Alarus style Ch2000. Go to www.newplane.com (http://www.newplane.com/) prices can be found in the owners section. The information is kind of scanty but the pictures of the CH640 construction on one of the local builders websites will show you how it is done.
Personally the best kind of Canopy is the AA-1 or AA-5 style as used in the Grumman
AA-x series. Split in the middle and slides back like an F-86... You
can choose to fly with the canopy open and that is a fine feeling on warm days.
Turn off the radios and fly nordo through the mountains
Rocky near Edmonton, AB
At 04:30 PM 8/15/2006 -0500, you wrote:
> I am considering replacing the canopy with gull-wing doors like that on the CH2000.
Does anyone have information on how I should go about that change? Anyone
have drawings or suggestions as to how I could accomplish this?
>
> Samm Munn
> Zenith 601XL (plans builder), Corvair
> (129% to go)
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Do you know the link of the guy building the CH640 and his pix of the gull wing
doors. I'm interested in this option too. Any other info on the AA-1 and AA-5
sliding canopy? That sounds interesting too. Thanks
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CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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