---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/11/07: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:22 AM - Re: Drilling wing spars (wade jones) 2. 07:31 AM - Re: Drilling wing spars (Bill Naumuk) 3. 07:35 AM - speed brakes (Jeff Small) 4. 07:38 AM - cable tension (Jeff Small) 5. 08:00 AM - Re: Longeron (LarryMcFarland) 6. 08:04 AM - HDS People-Longeron mystery solved (Bill Naumuk) 7. 08:11 AM - Re: Woulda's (Bill Naumuk) 8. 08:14 AM - Re: speed brakes (Bill Naumuk) 9. 09:44 AM - Re: Speed brakes (MaxNr@aol.com) 10. 09:55 AM - Re: speed brakes (Tim Juhl) 11. 01:28 PM - Re: Re: speed brakes (NYTerminat@aol.com) 12. 03:11 PM - landing gear 701 (Brian Bowen) 13. 03:23 PM - Control Cable Lengths (Thomas Makibbin) 14. 03:25 PM - Rear Former Fix (Bill Naumuk) 15. 04:32 PM - Re: Control Cable Lengths (Jaybannist@cs.com) 16. 07:00 PM - Re: Woulda's (Juan Vega) 17. 07:00 PM - Re: Rear Former Fix (Gary Boothe) 18. 07:02 PM - Re: control cabl tenshion (Juan Vega) 19. 10:36 PM - Re: Control Cable Lengths (xl) 20. 10:53 PM - Re: Control Cable Lengths (Afterfxllc@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:10 AM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Drilling wing spars Thanks to those that replied with suggestions to this post. I may get enough nerve to try drilling these holes today. Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ----- Original Message ----- From: wade jones To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:11 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Drilling wing spars Hello Group ,I am ready to drill the 5/16 holes in my center spar and the wing spars on a 601XL .I have just bought a 5/16 reamer and a 9/32 drill bit .I have received some good advise from Dave Clay as he has recently completed this task . Any additional advise or tips from fellow scratch builders that may help me on this task would be greatly appreciated . Thanks Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:00 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Drilling wing spars Wade- Put your mind at ease- practice on scrap until you're comfortable with the process. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: wade jones To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:19 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Drilling wing spars Thanks to those that replied with suggestions to this post. I may get enough nerve to try drilling these holes today. Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ----- Original Message ----- From: wade jones To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:11 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Drilling wing spars Hello Group ,I am ready to drill the 5/16 holes in my center spar and the wing spars on a 601XL .I have just bought a 5/16 reamer and a 9/32 drill bit .I have received some good advise from Dave Clay as he has recently completed this task . Any additional advise or tips from fellow scratch builders that may help me on this task would be greatly appreciated . Thanks Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:32 AM PST US From: "Jeff Small" Subject: Zenith-List: speed brakes I know the below was said in jest but some might believe it. Go back in the archives, now so bloated that they are unusable, and you'll read of a crash with a 601 caused by one of the wing lockers being unfastened and coming up in flight after takeoff. Subject: Zenith-List: cable tension The Construction Manual (circa 1999) that came with my kit said 30 pounds. In conversation with Nick he said 25 to 30 pounds. You should be able to borrow a tensioner from a local airport mechanic for a six-pack. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:44 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Longeron Bill, Not knowing exactly how complete your tail segment is yet, but I'd make that decision when all the rudder and stab plates have been positioned. Do consider the spacing of the rudder hinge plates and the distance needed between pivot angles on your rudder. Check for alignment and hinge distance and adjust by shim or shim plus deflection accordingly. Larry McFarland - 601HDS Bill Naumuk wrote: > HDS People- > I'm at a loss here. My upper rear longeron tracks straight along > the top edge and over the inboard rear former, but is a good 1/8" from > contacting the top of the former closest the tail. Former and side > skin dimensions are well within 2mm of print. Yes, everything's level. > What do you think? Shim the top of the tail former, or bend the > longeron down to make contact with the tail former? > Bill Naumuk > HDS Fuselage > Townville, Pa > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:09 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: HDS People-Longeron mystery solved HDS People- Matt, please don't edit this out, as it can help someone else down the line. Once again, the construction manual and the plans don't agree. F-4 in the construction manual calls for an overall length of 358mm for 6F2-3, while the print 6F2-3HD calls for an OAL of 360mm. Factor in 1mm of the general =B1 2mm tolerance and you get the 1/8" I'm short. What I've decided to do is to remove the upper flange of 6F2-3HD, then fabricate a second 6F2-4 angle out of .032 using my 18" brake and attach it in the correct position using the same 5 A5s used for the original 6F2-4. Thank God everything's still in clecos! Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:16 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Woulda's Brad- Kit? Try building one from scratch! Took me 6 weeks and I loved every minute of it. Not really, but the satisfaction of doing it yourself and bonding with those who've gone before you is priceless. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad DeMeo" Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 10:23 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Woulda's > > > I think I woulda not ordered the landing light kit and tried to do > something on the main gear for lights - primarily to avoid prop flicker. > The landing light kit, for some reason, was very difficult for me and I > spent more than too many hours on it. I'm sure it adds value, but I > wouldn't do it again. I just started the canopy today...maybe I'll have > another "woulda" in a week or so. > > Do not archive. > > Brad DeMeo > 80% done. > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:37 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: speed brakes Jeff- HF has a port-a-power ensemble listed for $199.95. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Small To: zenith-list Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: Zenith-List: speed brakes I know the below was said in jest but some might believe it. Go back in the archives, now so bloated that they are unusable, and you'll read of a crash with a 601 caused by one of the wing lockers being unfastened and coming up in flight after takeoff. Actually those wing lockers remind me of the access panels on a P51 that are opened to load belts of ammo for the 50 cal. Why not stick a fake 50 Browning MG barrel in the leading edge of the wing and adorn the baggage lid with the appropriate ammo-loading stencils? That might get the attention of the wandering TSA type. Tim -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=94305#94305 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:28:19 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: speed brakes And you could use the barrel as you pitot tube In a message dated 2/11/2007 12:57:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, juhl@avci.net writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Juhl" Actually those wing lockers remind me of the access panels on a P51 that are opened to load belts of ammo for the 50 cal. Why not stick a fake 50 Browning MG barrel in the leading edge of the wing and adorn the baggage lid with the appropriate ammo-loading stencils? That might get the attention of the wandering TSA type. Tim -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:33 PM PST US From: "Brian Bowen" Subject: Zenith-List: landing gear 701 builder#5390 plan built info on bending main landing gear spring thanks _________________________________________________________________ http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=43.658648~-79.383962&style=r&lvl=15&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3702663&cid=7ABE80D1746919B4!1329 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:25 PM PST US From: "Thomas Makibbin" Subject: Zenith-List: Control Cable Lengths I am installing my control cables for the elevator and rudder and I am wondering what the best way to determine how long to make the cables? What is the easiest way to figure where to cut the cable? Thanks. Tom Makibbin 601XL ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:05 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Rear Former Fix HDS People- Attached is a shot of my rear former after adjustments. (It's fuzzy, I know). Note the top flange is the same configuration as the bottom. Also note that the longerons are right on track and the level bubble is centered. 3 hours to put things right, but zero outlay. New builders might want to set up after the side skins are on and make adjustments as necessary. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:05 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Control Cable Lengths Tom, As I recall, the amount of cable included in the controls kit was fairly liberal. I made rough measurements of each application (four for ailerons, two for rudder and two for elevator). I then measured the total length of the supplied cable. I did a proportional calculation and cut the cable lengths according to the proportions calculated to get manageable pieces of cable. I didn't cut to a final length until I actually installed each length of cable. Jay in Dallas Do not archive "Thomas Makibbin" wrote: >I am installing my control cables for the elevator and rudder and I am >wondering what the best way to determine how long to make the cables? What >is the easiest way to figure where to cut the cable? Thanks. > > > >Tom Makibbin > >601XL > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:52 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Woulda's I can honestly say that the light is the biggest pain in the @%#$!*&^% to put in. JUan -----Original Message----- >From: Brad DeMeo >Sent: Feb 10, 2007 10:23 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Woulda's > > > >I think I woulda not ordered the landing light kit and tried to do >something on the main gear for lights - primarily to avoid prop >flicker. The landing light kit, for some reason, was very difficult >for me and I spent more than too many hours on it. I'm sure it adds >value, but I wouldn't do it again. I just started the canopy >today...maybe I'll have another "woulda" in a week or so. > >Do not archive. > >Brad DeMeo >80% done. > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:52 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rear Former Fix Thanks for the heads-up, Bill. Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, Tail done, wings done, working on c-section Do not archive _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 3:25 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Rear Former Fix HDS People- Attached is a shot of my rear former after adjustments. (It's fuzzy, I know). Note the top flange is the same configuration as the bottom. Also note that the longerons are right on track and the level bubble is centered. 3 hours to put things right, but zero outlay. New builders might want to set up after the side skins are on and make adjustments as necessary. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:31 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: control cabl tenshion you can buy a sail boat one for 50 bucks. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: LarryMcFarland >Sent: Feb 10, 2007 4:23 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: control cabl tenshion > > > >Craig, >The cable tensioner gage can be done freehand from the images. It will >get tension close enough to >satisfy what's needed. > >Sorry, I fixed the flip side of the image to "tension 4, see below. > >Larry > >C Smith wrote: >> >> Hey that's pretty slick, are there drawings for plans, or just the 2 >> pictures? >> >> > you can build one and calibrate it to the range you need. See links. >> http://www.macsmachine.com/images/tjh/cabletools/full/tension3.gif >> http://www.macsmachine.com/images/tjh/cabletools/full/tension4.gif >> http://www.macsmachine.com/images/tjh/cabletools/full/tenscalbrate.gif >> >> I used small garage door pulleys obtained from Lowe's, but any like them would >> work. >> >> Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:40 PM PST US From: xl Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Control Cable Lengths Some of us have recommended: install wire-cored clothesline or equivalent. then replace the clotheslines, one by one, with cable. Joe E N633Z @ BFI CH601XL, 426 hours Zenith grin :) On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Thomas Makibbin wrote: > I am installing my control cables for the elevator and rudder and I am > wondering what the best way to determine how long to make the cables? What > is the easiest way to figure where to cut the cable? Thanks. > Tom Makibbin 601XL > do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:28 PM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Control Cable Lengths I locked my control stick into position and made 1 end up then ran it thru thr fush. then cut it alittle long then made up the cable with the turn buckle half way adjusted. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.